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but to what extent can you be enlightened? I guess quite deeply. I see reality as about to dissolve, a screen of color, like a set behind what is emptiness. I talk to people and I see their emptiness, they are just forms ... like me! but what is behind, that void, seems unknowable . it is nothing, it is completely impersonal, not human, but somehow it has to be intelligent, it is enough to observe the apparent reality to deduce the intelligence of the absolute. But how can the absolute be intelligent if it is nothing? because obviously, it is not "something". We are the absolute right now, and it's impersonal. Is impossible to understand that there is void, nothing, like an abyss. Think about that is insane, maybe that's why the mistics always says that it's uncognwable. Except Leo, of course

Think about it this way... You are not *perceiving* other people, so what is happening is that you're having a conscious direct experience of infinity manifesting itself in different ways. Where is 'your' Consciousness located? Where is the present moment occuring? The present moment is in fact impersonal consciousness/God experiencing whatever you're conscious of in the 'Now', because 'in the now' you are conscious, so everything is happening in your awareness, since you're Consciousness itself. ❤ So when you say "imagining infinite dreams symultaneously', "experiencing them separately" etc, you assume the present moment is separate from consciousness. Which is not the case. The present moment is You being conscious. Time is imaginary.

Impersonal Consciousness cannot feel alone. The ego-mind does.

Im here to help! You can unlock levels of imagination that are unimaginable! Kind of like your dreams, you have way more imagination when you are impersonal. Don't try to imagine things, but rather see what your imagination has in store, you just be the observer of it. If you can see black only, thats a great start. You have the canvas. Now you can imagine a white dot on it? Try enlarging the dot. Imagine it in another colour. Imagine the black only as another colour too. Zoom in, zoom out, play around that plane of imagination. Start small. In my opinion if you start imagining dots, lines, circles, triangles, basic shapes, then your mind will get the building blocks to imagine more complex things further. Or get more tuned with the imaginative part of yourself. You can try a visualisation technique I like which is to go to the edge of your experience now and "see" what is beyond there. You might get an impression of seeing something from your imagination. Even if not, just do not identify with what you saw and centre as the empty (or otherwise very small) being that is able to see that space of imagination beyond the edge of your visual perception. Then keep watching for what that empty being sees, and keep grounding as that being - which is not hard as it is the one who sees. Tell me if you get any visualisations from this. Its basically self inquiry using the imaginary plane.

Members seem to be already influenced by the air of demonization. Ever since confessing my condition I've been accused of 'crying', creating drama and being suicidal while discussing impersonal opinions.

They can be both, but ad hominems are often directly addressing some personal quality which deviates from the content of the discussion. For example, if you said that you think math is often portayed as more useful than it truly is, an ad hominem answer to that could be "you think that because you're stupid". Ad hominem is essentially when you turn an initially impersonal discussion into a personal matter when it isn't warranted or appropriate.

An awakening with ego also present can be much more pleasant than an experience which is more impersonal. It speaks to the story you’ve just lived. It satisfies that. It explains that. It breaks the limitations of that. If both awakenings were of the same intensity, I’d prefer to awaken in this reality due to the emotional significance of your human life. You living that specific incarnation was not a mistake.

Probably if we use that type of language. I think it more like this. Impersonal divine (higher self) permanent individuality (soul) and present personality (ego). The journey is to transcend the false personality and have the permanent individuality to take over. Then unite the individuality with the higher self and achieve the goal of yoga ( union ). The permanent individuality might be the higher self you are talking about. It is that which reincarnates but also eternal. It is not the ONE but it's goal is to unite with the ONE. All past life memories are stored there. You may not remember but it knows. You are it but also not. It absorbs spiritual experience you have and exalts itself through you. Hint: it is also the thinker but not the thought process.

To get an understanding of the pre trans fallacy while learning the Spiral Dynamics model helped me to have an understanding that truly felt like resolving several disparities at once. It grew my Worldview and stretched my frame of reference. It seems that the impersonal aspects that come into play in the trans personal stage and states are often misinterpreted by others as being cold and uncaring. Just one more aspect of the pre trans fallacy. Thunderstorms have knocked out my electric. I’m pecking away on my cell phone with not a whole lot of battery left.

@Jamajczyk You can't see it, so it only exists like that, as something you can't see. You only imagine that there are bees and snakes unless they are in your direct experience right now, but then you imagine that they can see at all. Some things are personal, some physical, and some cultural, it's wise to know how to differentiate between those, but what unites them is that all these areas are imagined by the Universe, so in the end, it's all imagination, but impersonal imagination, not personal of which you usually think when you hear the word imagination.

Human's evolved to live in small tribal communities; keep your settlements small to avoid the inevitable downfall of any empire; thus, it would do thee well to establish a non-indoctrinated system of faith that centers around the ultimate truth of an impersonal self that is to be cultivated and culminated for the sake of civil prosper.

tension (n.) 1530s, "a stretched condition," from French tension (16c.) or directly from Latin tensionem (nominative tensio) "a stretching" (in Medieval Latin "a struggle, contest"), noun of state from tensus, past participle of tendere "to stretch," from PIE root *ten- "to stretch." The sense of "nervous strain" is first recorded 1763. The meaning "stress along lines of electromotive force" (as in high-tension wires) is recorded from 1785. attention (n.) late 14c., "a giving heed, active direction of the mind upon some object or topic," from Old French attencion and directly from Latin attentionem (nominative attentio) "attention, attentiveness," noun of action from past-participle stem of attendere "give heed to," literally "to stretch toward," from ad "to, toward" (see ad-) + tendere "stretch," from PIE root *ten- "to stretch." tender (adj.) "soft, easily injured," early 13c., from Old French tendre "soft, delicate; young" (11c.), from Latin tenerem (nominative tener) "soft, delicate; of tender age, youthful," from a derivative of PIE root *ten- "to stretch," on the notion of "stretched," hence "thin," hence "weak" or "young." Compare Sanskrit tarunah "young, tender," Greek teren "tender, delicate," Armenian t'arm "young, fresh, green." tend (v.1) "to incline, to move in a certain direction," early 14c., from Old French tendre "stretch out, hold forth, hand over, offer" (11c.), from Latin tendere "to stretch, extend, make tense; aim, direct; direct oneself, hold a course," from PIE root *ten- "to stretch." You cannot stretch anything without having two seperate points. The act of stretching is an act in duality with creates tension and then the enivitable release of that resistance, momentum and all movement. Tension could not be created at all if the true nature was not non-resistance and nonseperation. Ok, so this is where string theory comes from, but actually because there is no matter outside Awareness of it, it's the observer holding the attention or stretching thier own attention from observer to object that is the "string", so to speak. Every love song or love story is an exploration of the same sort, string theory is an exploration. Every scientist's cold, logical contemplations and observations are as emotional and subjective as an Elvis song and every Elvis song is as cold and impersonal as a scientist's data.

I don't really think what you're saying is true in terms of no one hiding behind masks. I tend to think this populace here is a bit defensive in general and really trying to become something else than what they are. But what I was saying is that there are a myriad of masculine instincts beyond just the desire to have sex with attractive women. But you would think otherwise on this forum, as many men boil their masculinity down to that quite often. And this reflects an underdeveloped orientation to masculinity. Consider that human instincts exist for a very important reason... survival in the form of self-preservation and species preservation. All of our instincts are geared towards that. The masculine instinct to sew the seed widely with many fertile women is a strong drive for that reason. But consider also, that a pre-birth-control society based on men ONLY owning that part of their masculinity. And that becomes a society that is piss poor in terms of species preservation (and therefore self-preservation) because you have men impregnating lots of women... meaning fathering lots of children that he has no time/ability to father. So, there are other pro-social instincts that come in and temper this instinct, otherwise society doesn't function. In present day, that instinct is still designed to be tempered by those other instincts. The difference now is that we have birth control. And men are having a hard time developing a connection to those other instincts because there is not as much of an impetus to temper the beauty-seeking drive. So, when a man only owns the beauty-seeking drive of his masculine instinct without regard to his other instincts like his instincts towards pair bonding, fatherhood, commitment, community building, etc. this can lead to a society that's out of alignment and a populace of men who are out of alignment with the full depth and breadth of their masculinity... having only a one-note connection to their masculinity. And it also leads to men losing the respect of women who can't be satisfied when a man is fixated upon just one of his masculine drives. And this particular masculine drive is impersonal, so it orients to women more as objects than as people just as a natural outcome of that drive. So, it's both triggering and unsatisfying at once from the female perspective when this drive is not integrated and channeled with the other drives that are more personal.

The more you look for flaws the more you'll see. The more you look for things to appreciate, the more you'll find to appreciate. There aren't two of you, one that can judge the other and find the other lacking or falling short. It's an exploration, an adventure with no end, because what you truly are is not limited and finite, you are infinite. You would not want there to be an end, but if you aren't quite seeing it as an adventure for you to enjoy and aren't having fun, then it's not you that needs to change but your relationship with you. The only real end so to speak is that you will see through the reality of the self that you wish to change, and realize that there are not two of you. Ever notice how you can't "get" a joke if you're stressed, anxious or taking part of it personally? "Shadow work" or light work works JUST like that. As stuff starts to bubble up, it is seen as impersonal and is seen as the Love that it is. As long as there's a self trying to change itself into something it thinks it will like better than what it already is, you cannot see this, because it's not in alignement with the timeless, infinite, whole Love that IS already its true Self, true clarity, the very foundation for change itSelf.

It's all a game. It can't be anything else. Yes, but there is also less attachment to things and the Love is more impersonal and universal rather than localized.

Yea, there isn't even someone or something to be let go of. When something is actually let go of it is the death and the total absence of that thing. If there is still consciousness of what is claimed to be let go of, it hasn't been let go of. Letting go is absolutely impersonal, it has nothing to do with consciousness. Consciousness is holding on to things, and the mind uses consciousness to try and get rid of it. The ultimate let go is that it isn't here now already, the illusion is that there is an illusion.

Meh whatever, don't let this stuff bother you. I probably would have ate this video up and thought all this was a cult too if I was 18 again. Some people just aren't open minded enough or they aren't at the right point in their lives for it. When someone is ready, they are ready. Or maybe never will be! Oh well that's the brutal impersonal universe we occupy. Just be grateful it helped you in the ways it did and pay it forward. But please stoop to their level and turn it into a pissing match of Actualized.Org vs Materialism that needs to be defended like an ideology. That undermines the whole purpose of this larger self/world improvement work. Let people think what they want to think. Everything is exactly perfect just the way it is.

These 3 Mantras is all you need for Physical, Emotional and Spiritual Healing These 3 Mantras is all you need for Physical, Emotional and Spiritual Healing 1. RA MA DA SA SA SAY SO HUNG – Spiritual and Emotional Healing Mantra, also known as Universal Healing Mantra 2. OM SHRI DHANVANTRE NAMAHA – Physical Healing Mantra, Mantra for Good Health 3. MAHA MRITUNJAYA MANTRA – Powerful Physical, Emotional and Mental Healing Mantra 1. RA MA DA SA SA SE SO HUNG ( 00:00 ) This mantra consists of 8 basic sounds: Translation: Ra – Sun Ma – Moon Daa – Earth Saa – Impersonal Infinity Saa Say – Totality of Infinity So – Personal sense of merger and identity Hung – The infinite, vibrating and real. 2. OM SHRI DHANVANTRE NAMAHA ( Starts at 15:20 ) Meaning: A very powerful healing and mantra for Good Health. Dhanvantari is an avatar of Vishnu in Hinduism. He appears in the Vedas and Puranas as the god of Ayurveda. In this mantra we seek his blessings for sound health for ourselves and/or others. 3. MAHA MRITYUNJAYA MANTRA (Starts at 29:33) Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra is one of the Most Powerful Sanskrit Mantra and is said to be very beneficial for physical, emotional and mental health and healing. * MANTRA OM. Tryambakam yajamahe Sugandhim pushti-vardhanam Urvarukamiva bandhanan Mrityor mukshiya mamritat * MEANING We Meditate on the Three-eyed one. Which is present in all of us like a fragrance. May we be freed from the worldly attachments Just like the ripened cucumber is freed from the creeper. Source: https://meditativemind.org/these-3-mantras-is-all-you-need-for-physical-emotional-and-spiritual-healing/ If you want to have your own mantra voice sound go to: https://tupropiomantra.blogspot.com/

Personally, I find this entire scoring system to be totally ridiculous hogwash. You cannot possibly know what someone else has "realized," nor is such a thing even close to quantifiable, as it is ultimately subjective, personal, and impersonal. It just stinks of ego to me, like a spiritual version of armchair quarterbacking. There are better ideas to spend your time on.

He will not return in flesh but from within us. Christos is the impersonal principle (spirit) that will be resurrected in humanity. In a sense it is we who we have been waiting for. “the coming of Christ,” means the presence of CHRISTOS in a regenerated world, and not at all the actual coming in body of “Christ” Jesus; this Christ is to be sought neither in the wilderness nor “in the inner chambers,” nor in the sanctuary of any temple or church built by man; for Christ – the true esoteric SAVIOUR – is no man, but the DIVINE PRINCIPLE in every human being. He who strives to resurrect the Spirit crucified in him by his own terrestrial passions, and buried deep in the “sepulchre” of his sinful flesh; he who has the strength to roll back the stone of matter from the door of his own inner sanctuary, he has the risen Christ in him.” [The Esoteric Character of the Gospels]

Great perspectives everyone, thank you all for your input! I wondered about this more at a impersonal, collective and metaphysical perspective. And yet this is still sufficient as answers, thanks again.

@Superfluo I answer here instead of in that thread. If you didn't see I edited my post a bit, so it says: "Therapy, anti depressants and other medicine, etc." There is no solution to my problems. I have nothing to live for, it's not possible for anyone to love me, there is no hope for me. I'm dead already, I only live because I'm hardwired for survival which seems to be impossible for me to override + I don't want to ruin my parents lives. I suffer pretty much all the time every day and it will be like that for the rest of my life, which I hope will be as short as possible. And all this suffering is for nothing, it's meaningless. (I'm talking about the "what is the meaning of life/everything?" question.) I don't believe in any woo-woo wishful thinking fantasies which people talk about in this forum. I only believe in stuff which has been proved scientifically. But a exception is that I believe in Consciousness after death, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I will keep my memories from this life, I think that's unlikely. I "believe" in the Universal, attributeless, formless, impersonal Consciousness which is present in all living beings, and I think it's immortal and limitless. I wrote "believe" in quotation marks because that word isn't really right for it, because Consciousness is the unbiased witness of also beliefs. So it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not. It is what breathes life and existence into everything. No advice can help me, no advice has ever helped me, so don't give any advice in the hope of helping me. Just so you don't waste your time. But for your and our pastime/entertainment, you can of course write anything you want. And no, currently I don't want to take psychedelics. I have tried it once or maybe twice, and the hell experience traumatized me and I suspect it gave me some chronic mental disorder. So I would be stupid as fuck to fuck myself up even more with psychedelics.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53950320 Oh COME ONE! Can't I still fall in love with some famous musician like a 14 year old girl INSTEAD OF it just being some sort of weird nondual impersonal, yet intensely personal thing. My mother was so modest, but she totally had the hots for the weatherman for like a solid decade, I could see it in her eyes, and every time she said his name. It was really just her love of predictability, I KNOW it. I'm too fucking smart for my own good. Haha, yeah that's what God said when he decided to scatter all his intelligence all over the place like Humpty Dumpty or the Tower of Babel, except it's all right here and never even left. Sigh. It's too perfect. It's even more perfect than that, but I wanted it to be LESS PERFECT! I think. DAMN IT! Edit: Did I just misspell "come on" as come one". JESUS! This is getting creepy. And also quite delightful. You know my dog who is the best dog I ever had and absolutely loves me more than anyone has ever loved me and is delightful and the most handsome thing I've ever seen also has eyebrows JUST LIKE PENNYWISE the clown? Oh! Spell, like cast a spell! Bahahaha. I just hope the men in white coats are hot.

I don't think so, in my opinion , it is just destroying mind patterns and putting them in right place so your being can show itself, you just think differently and experience differently because things that were before are gone, person is still there, but it is kind of impersonal, Enlightened people can be just deluded by their experience as others, difference they assume they know what is true based on their experience

If it’s based on empathy but is doing nothing for alleviating others suffering, I might put it in the category of unnecessary suffering. I’ve used this categorization of types of suffering for the last 5 years or so. It’s Fourth Way sourced material. In Talks on Beelzebub's Tales, Bennett distinguishes four types of suffering - Unnecessary Suffering, Unavoidable Suffering, Voluntary Suffering and Intentional Suffering. Lets have a look at each of these to see if they can help our understanding: The first is Unnecessary Suffering. This would be the type of suffering that we incur because of our unreasonable attitudes and expectations towards others, from our ill-will, hatred and rejection of others, from doubt, possessiveness, arrogance and self pity. In other words, suffering arising from our self-importance. The second is Unavoidable Suffering. This would be the type of suffering that comes to us by accident or from events beyond our control, such as interpersonal conflicts, war, disaster, disease or death. Third, we have Voluntary Suffering. This would be the type of suffering that we take upon ourselves in order to accomplish a personal aim, such as an athlete who disciplines himself to win a race, or a student who labours to get good grades. And finally we have Intentional Suffering. According to Bennett, this would be the kind of suffering that we take upon ourselves in order to accomplish an impersonal or altruistic goal, one that is directed more towards service to others or to the Work, and not for any personal gain. Bennett assumes that this is what Gurdjieff meant by Intentional Suffering.