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I experienced the nothingness regularly a few years ago, but since then it disappeared and I haven't really been able to get the full blown experience again. I might need to mention that it was probably trauma induced (not sure it was a weird year). I don't think it is enough for me to just deconstruct reality and focus on the now. I believe that it's hidden by the "fear or dying" that's particularly strong in the region above the heart. Now I am kind of in a dilemma: I want to experience it without being able to go through the "death-part". I'm doing this sober, because even if I take mild psychedelics (like weed) and push through, I would have a panic attack and have a really bad time. I know that torturing the mind into the nothingness is probably the fastest way, but I don't think that's the right thing for me, because suffering+eternity=hell. I believe that the subconscious walls that block the nothingness is more fear than it is constructs and beliefs. Ironically I think that the thing that prevents me from accessing it (fear) is also the wormhole into the singularity. I will probably experience a little bit with the fear of dying and fear in general, but I was wondering what possible solutions you guys could have. Unfortunately the fear of death is reflected in a lot of aspects in life. I experience a lot of fear. Fear is also a lack of love. Any book recommendations on fear (of dying), fear of nothingness etc or good teachers that help to exterminate endangered egos like myself?

Hey guys! So iam having a bit of a problem with this " duality" I have experienced GOD and I know that I am it and we all are IT and it is power and creativity itself. Please recognize also that we are using language here as well so the word I and so forth will be used. So if infinite nothingness was the ultimate Truth there would be zero colours zero conciousness zero everything, if you try to wrap your head around Nothing you cant imagine it at all. But here comes the question of it. How can nothingness be if we obviously have conciousness and conciousness = Experience. God mind is the infinite dream machine. So, is it not that what we label as nothingness is god at rest? And there is nothing but its own essence in it self? No differentiation. Cause realize this, the impossibility of existence from infinite nothingness should be clear cause nothingness is is nothing and will always be nothingness. So GOD in that case is so above and transcended from existence that we can't even comprehend the kind of " existence" it is. Ive realized GOD but not nothingness so this is a mere philosophy. But we can say also that this here is nothing bla bla but ofcourse it is not. Not really. Literal Nothing is Literal Nothing and it is bullshit to say that everything is nothing. That I can even say that this is nothing iam using my conciousness and conciousness is not LITERAL nothing cause if it would, we would not have this conversation now. It is thingness itself in my book. Then you would have to exit infinity to recognize nothingness but see that is not possible cause then you would not even know that you had a realization like that. So to me it makes more sense thqt conciousness can assume the form of literal nothingness but it can also assume thr form of Infinite Imagination and infinite Mind. So what then is the Truth of them? If we came from LITERAL NOTHING, not void states or anything like it, no literal nothing, there is nothing in this state which can will anything into existence cause nothing is nothing. So from my own experience I can conclude that existence has always been, GOD is the Truth. Always forever exploring different creations. Please share what you think about this. And im not interested in hearing neo advaita views that this is nothing and everything is illusion and so forth.

Everyone makes it so complicated. Nothingness is a blank. Right now look all around you, notice that everything you see is within a blank. A blank cannot be detected by the senses, it cannot be perceived. When you go in deep sleep, it's a blank. So BEING, is so nothing, it doesn't exist as an appearance. Then there is knowledge, what we call appearance. To know a thing is to observe a thing. So creation is the birth of knowledge. So existence, is knowledge itself. But what is knowledge comprised of? Knowledge is made of being, an existence that is prior to appearance. So the biggest mind fuck of all is you can exist as nothing in particular. But if you do not exist as something in particular....you have no knowledge. So the embrace of non appearance as existence is to realize that appearance is literally made up of NON-APPEARANCE. This means you cannot die because you were never an appearance anyway. And death is just the expansion into a greater appearance, the unlimited unknowing self, with the unlimited all knowing self. This is Absolute Truth in its totality where everything is known as being. So it has complete self knowledge and complete awareness of its being at the same time. It has absolute control and it realizes why it gave that control to expression and knowledge of love with the full force of its intelligence.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Nothingness&author=Water by the River Selling Nothing by the River PS:

No, "everythingness" is not in duality with nothingness. "Existence and nonexistence are incompatible. The difficult and the easy are mutually opposed. The long and the short, the high and the low, the lod and soft, the before and the after- are all opposites. Each reveals the other." from the Tao Te Ching But in a sense everything is nothingness, but not in a dual relationship like long and short.

@James123 its like i can literally remember it being there pre birth, because its outside of time. im having a mini awakening right now wtf. is this really what people mean when they talk about the nothingness that never dies?

Yes, I'd rate Andre Halaw's books as some of the most important for understanding classical enlightenment and Nothingness, and neti-neti is an effective method for realizing Nothingness as your true nature. I recently returned to his book No-Mind and a particular representation struck: "Consciousness is only a portion of what you are. You are not limited to your awareness, experiences, or consciousness. Below is a visual representation of your total self, where consciousness is depicted in white: As you can see, the white comma-shape expressing awareness accounts for only a fraction of the total image. Just as most of the photo is black, the vast majority of what we are consists of Non-awareness. Consciousness apprehends 'things' such as sounds, odors, etc., while Non-awareness is a type of knowing that does not rely upon forms, sounds, odors, flavors, objects, or thoughts. It is the darkness of Not-knowing. For this reason, I also call it Non-being, Non-existence, or even Nothingness, all of which point to the same reality—the formless, unconditioned Absolute at the base of consciousness and the root of all reality."

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! I am very interested to know what you think of 5 meo dmt when it comes to experiencing nothingness. Have you changed your mind/believes since 5 years ago? I mean its seems like you are a big fan of psychedelics now, especially 5 MeO DMT. I am asking because I found this comment that belongs to you on a video you posted 5 years ago. I was quite shocked and thoughtful by seeing this comment. What do you have to say about it. Do you still stand by this or have you changed your mind? Personally i am a big fan of psychedelics and they have helped me so much in expanding my mind/consciousness. I dont see why psychedelics wont help much. I mean one high dose of 5 MeO will send you there!

Months ago I was suffering from extreme derealisation, I though the state would never pass away. I took a long break from meditation, self-inquiry etc. I have recently returned to daily mediation practices for about 2 months. I have been absolutely grounded in pure nothingness. It’s a totally different experience from derealisation. It’s like you’re grounded in emptiness, rather than reality being dream-like in a bad way. I honestly just wanted to share this to bring a sense of hope to people who are going through derealisation on the path. It can be overcome and you can become regrounded.

life is short you know..? 10.. 20..30.. 40..50.. 60 years max and bye bye 👋 Right ? Fucking NO. What if death is only something you've been brainwashed with by society..parents ..other people..religion..and even science . You might have witnessed animals dying or people dying..but is that an evidence that YOU will die ? I know this sounds like mad talk that only belongs to the nut wards ..but trust me guys I've done hundreds of hours of contemplating ..and I assure you ..there Is not one single evidence that you are going to die. But ofcourse no amount of me saying this will get it to click in your mind . You must discover it for yourself. And also nobody knows what happens after death (if its even gonna happen) that is of course if we lay aside religious stories and philosophical speculation.. Hands down: Reincarnation.. Nothingness.. Heaven and hell realms etc are nothing but beautiful beliefs. Death itself is a fucking belief.

Awakening to the facet of immortality and who you actually are Is very simple imo and can be done with simple logic. Only that which is unborn will never die . Is this clear ? Because if it dies then it wasn't eternal. It can only be eternal if it had no start in the past and therefore infinite amount of existing has already passed and it doesn't die . So ..again..only that which was unborn shall never die . Let's investigate what that "thing" is . Think about it ..What was born ? The human body ..This person that you appear to be ..this whole universe with its origin via the big bang. Etc All these were born ..so they will vanish eventually sooner or later. And What was never born? What didn't have a beginning and cannot have an end ? You should immediately see that it's Nothing . No thing . Only nothing is eternal. And therfore your true nature is nothingness. I hope the point I made is clear . If you guys have any questions or objections go ahead. Thx.

Reality is a construct, the universe is a construct. It is constructed of nothingness. So of course a thought is a construct that is what imagination is, it is the power to construct which is the power to build which is the power to create. God is a constant dream. It either dreams itself as a void, or as non apparent, or it dreams up an appearance, all with the power of thought. Where do you think the power of thought comes from? If you could with your mind think the sun out of existence you would literally be using the power of God.

Does the practice of shutting the mind ("think nothing" technique) mean you silence also your feelings and sensations? Let's say, for example, you are meditating outside when you start feeling a gentle breeze. Should you keep the focus on nothingness or move it to the breeze feelings?

I'm not denying consciousness. Please try to understand my position clearly . Consciousness exists . But what is consciousness? Its a shape shifting substance that has no ground . What's tripping you up in this inquiry is you imagine nothingness to be black void . No ..nothingness is a shape shifter that takes on endless forms but in its essence its not any particular form specifically

A beginningless thing cannot die because if it can it must've been dead since infinite time in the past . Only that which is beginningless can be endless .and that thing is nothingness aka God.

It can lead to a major panic attack or worse. I used to fear insanity a lot. Fear of the unknown or fear of death are also two big ones, but it doesn't matter as much what form the fear takes. You can even fear love. In my opinion it boils down to fear of nothingness, it's like your ego fears the void, where it is completely obvious that it is an illusion.

The foundation of reality is the absence of limits. This is not something but the lack of something. Since there are no limits, everything that can be is, therefore one could say that reality is everything, but since there are no limits, everything that is blurs in the total unlimited amplitude until it is revealed as absolute nothingness, an empty abyss. They are the two sides or perspectives of reality. It can be translated into: reality is everything. everything, given its infinitude, is illusory, therefore, it is nothing.

Like you said: something = Nothingness. You just need to recontextualize how you view physical reality (aka consciousness) to realize first-hand this Truth. I'm not saying consciousness does not exist . I'm saying consciousness is nothing.

@Someone here Yeah? Well, look at your hands. Look at the room around you. You're just ignoring what is obvious. Consciousness. Ironically, labelling actuality "Nothingness"

(I may have misunderstood you lol) We are not denying Creation, but you are not grasping the paradoxical nature of Creation which I for one, point too. The paradox is profound. Leo explains it better than I.. Something like God had to create itself before it existed. Because, even non-existence and before God was always actually a part of God. God created itself with literally nothing. God had to create itself before it existed. God Created itself. This stupid buddhist framing of "Nothing".. Yeah, thats nice but it's just a facet. Pointing to nothingness I think it important. But, when you look at your hands and the room you are in, which is this. Which is something, i guess you could say... The actual qualia and subjective experience you have is God. It's not nothing. It's God. God is a shape shifter. Compared to an object it's nothing because it has no finite qualities, except paradoxically when it does. So, you could say reality is nothing, but nothing is paradoxically something.

Thanks . Well..There is an old Buddhist saying " form is empty. Emptiness is form". It's basically pointing to the collapse of the duality between somethingness and nothingness. I've realized it many times.. That something and nothing are identical. Not on psychedelics. Just by observing my experience of reality and contrasting it against a dream state . The mistake is thinking that "nothing" is some blank black void somewhere. No.. Everything we are experiencing all the time is precisely nothing. It's completely hollow and unstable. No different than appearance of a Dream. Even scientifically speaking.. If you break down the atoms that make up the universe.. You will get waves of energy. Break down the energry and you get nothingness . We know now through quantum physics that the universe is literally made out of nothing.

Nothing changed except the thought of it. Your thought of it. Your understanding of it. Which was "false" in the same way that there can't be a unicorn that understands things. There can't be "you" which "understands" or thinks of "it" or anything at all because there aren't any "things" aside from the thought of "things." Thought can't understand thought. A thought about things can't understand another thought about things. Recursion error. Catch-22. Onto the question of "what remains?" Assuming you also let go of the story that there is "you" which can "let go of stories", then what remains can only be... Nothing. No things. Not a thing. Infinity. Nothingness. Non-definitiveness. etc.

Mahayan Buddhism talks about the 'Buddha nature' which is similar to the Self in Hinduism. Emphasis on Awareness is a common point in Theravadan/Mahayan Buddhism as well as Hinduism. Therevadan Buddhism emphasizes nothingness/emptiness because it is the ultimate ego-buster. Who wants to be nothing ? Hinduism and nondual philosophies states that one is the Self or Infinite, which are good for the ego or self-image to cling to. But nothingness is an entirely different proposition. We are coming from emptiness and going back to emptiness. Just as the vastness of space helps bring a sense of proportion and scales down the covetous human ego, similarly the philosophy of emptiness is designed to scale down the ego acting as a psychological austerity and helps to bring a sense of proportion and perspective, which enables mindfulness to blossom.

Merciful would have been to have never brought this being into life. Mercy would have been nothingness for eternity. Create no one, disturb no one. There's no such thing as a "greater good", there just is everything which includes infinite mercilessness and cruelty.

First I found god. Then I found love. Then I found nothingness. Then I found everythingness. Then I found the cosmic joke. Haven't found anything deeper than yet so far