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My neighbours house had windows and there was a teddybear hanging out of the window when i woke up in a new reality/dimension when i fell asleep on LSD. I deconstructed reality in nothingness and woke up in a new dimension reality where my neighbourse house had windows when they actually didn't have windows before. And now in my present/stable reality they suddenly have windows that can be opened, when they never did. Basically it was always like this

Literally it creats It our of nothingness/oneness as polar opposite definitions that define each other. Like up and down are created at the same strike. To make a distinction means to make form, to create it, it will shapeshift with certain systematic barriers and it will dissolve, that's that's the metaphysics of differences. Yes they exist as imaginary. Reality is imagined. Imagination is what makes reality Real. Being imagined all properties, what distinguishes the real from the unreal, isn't that another distinction? The Realization of Imagination doesn't change an inch the nature of existence and its realness, it's as real as ever, you just realize that what you called real is actually being imagined by consciousness. A dream of Consciousness you might say, that's life and it's as real as it gets.

One can only get it when it is realized that any separate identity is false and just a wrong arising thought/feeling/concept in Infinite Being/Reality/mindstream (like 1 + 1 = 3. Just not the case). For that to happen, the mindstream needs to conform to Absolute Reality of Infinite Being/Consciousness/Suchness. Among others, the most important ones are: Nondual: Boundless infinite "field" or better Reality of the visual field Infinite: Nothing could ever be outside of it (for example other perspectives/beings that YOU forget right now in real time, although they happen in True You). Everything can only be IT. Mere appearance/illusion: Every appearance of the "world" is just empty mere appearance, hovering like a non-solid hologram ("clear light", mere appearance-emptiness) in YOUR True Infinite Being. Eternal: The appearance in that Infinite field/Reality changes, but never THAT. That can't go anywhere else. And since IT is nothing (or better: Infinite Nothingness but with the potential for sentience if appearance arises in it, made of it) already, that Reality can't disappear (field is not so correct, since True Being is dimensionless... Its not 3D or 5D, but CONTAINS all possible dimensions, however many dimensions manifest (3/4/5/n/alien/totally other/n+1). Lets call it Infinite Vastness) All ignorant/wrong concept/believes/feelings of being anything separate (mind, body, soul, whatever) seen through: are just a thought/feeling-arising-bundle arising within IT, and ignorantly believed because ones speed of awareness is too slow to cut off these illusions in real-time. Only then does one have a chance of realizing True Solipsism (although I don't like that as teaching tool, because its incomprehensible until it happens, and lead nowhere as practice), or True Enlightenment. One without a second. So its fruitless to think with a separate-self still well and alive about Solipsism, that will never "go anywhere". It is impossible. But getting the Mindstream to conform the the enlightened Mindstream (points above) so that this realization can happen, that can be done, and that is worth the effort. Then the realization can happen. My preferred and recommended tools are Mahamudra PotgW, Yoga of One Taste (for the Nondual points above, 1-4), and Yoga of Nonmeditation (to fully establish point 5, and to get rid of the meditator still "running" points 1-4. Selling Water by the River PS: When Wilber wrote No Boundary, he didn't have Full Enlightenment, just some Kenshos. But not full impersonal Enlightenment, according to his own statements. His true impersonal Enlightenment (or death of the illusion of the separate-self) happened while writing Sex, Ecology, Spirituality, and how that went down is described in One Taste. "Realizing that the separate self (of any kind) doesn't exist (beyond a mere appearing illusion), did never exist, and will or could never exist". PSPS: Problems start when remnants of the separate self hijack the identity of/as "Absolute Solipsism". That would be something like the Infinity of Gods(-Egos). Does that sound like One Being, Solipsism? Or more like an Infinity of God-Egos inflated and projected on Infinity.The true intuition that there is only One Reality/Being, but that not cleansed from separate-self/ego/personality-elements. Hence, no stable nondual realization in daily life with the 5 points of Awakened Nondual Awareness above accessible anytime. That confusion can be similiar to the stage of Yoga of One Taste, which already brings Nondual States (like psychedelics also do), but Enlightenment doesn't happen there yet, because the remaining separate-self is not cleansed via the Yoga of Nonmeditation. It is not truly impersonal yet. True Being is utterly utterly impersonal (hence, IT fits into all individual mindstreams), and yet contains the personality and its individual traits arising within IT. And that is what you truly are. So nothing than an illusion of being something else than THAT is lost.

What's the connection between the two? Why being nothing makes you infinitely intelligence?

Hi @Leo Gura & Everyone else! I hope you are doing well. After years of Spiritual Practice or after taking Psychedelics, When we all reach a state where we experience nothingness, pure beingness at the same time we also feel and experience that this Nothingness being is Me my Higher Self. And then we call it GOD. We say I am Nothingness, Consciousness, Pure Beingness, I am GOD. What if we are misunderstanding the Our Nothingness / Consciousness with GOD? What If I (Consciousness /Being) is not GOD but I (Consciousness /Being) is a Creation of GOD from his infinite creations? What is Nothingness is actually our last boundary wall or our ultimate limitation from which we can't go beyond? What if GOD has created a very powerful Creation named "Being" Which can itself create infinite possibilities in itself Like Mind, Body & World....? That is already understood that We are not a body, We are not a mind, not a world but we are pure powerful Transparent formless conscious beings who can create their own Mind, Body & World. What if GOD is apart from his creations: "Beings"? To better understand what I am saying, please check the following attached Diagrams made by me: Waiting for responses. Thanks

Don't you find it odd how these kinds of simple questions are more profound than what we call mundane life. We left the void and the nothingness to come watch TV, have sex and eat ice-cream and jerk-off to porn and to go tell people to go fuck themselves all for the fun of it because we can; and now those things are mundane and who we are is soooo profound now and we have forums having discussions about stupid thoughts. When we go back to the void and get bored stiff with all that nothingness and silence we'll be begging to come back to jerk off some more and banging chicks. Hehe

Hello, I just watched "The enlightened self" video, and I tried to picture Leo as nothing. And it was just too hard, I see people as something different and apart, like they have their own qualities and they do other things. The only thing I could do there was picturing him as me, as part of my field of awareness, as if I was the person that was saying those things, I'm not sure if that's the right approach, because I can tell differentiating people gives me sort of the anxiety I've been holding for my whole life. (Funny I wrote "lie" instead of "life" and thought that would be a more appropriate way to say it) thanks jackyjoy

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! I am very interested to know what you think of 5 meo dmt when it comes to experiencing nothingness. Have you changed your mind/believes since 5 years ago? I mean its seems like you are a big fan of psychedelics now, especially 5 MeO DMT. I am asking because I found this comment that belongs to you on a video you posted 5 years ago. I was quite shocked and thoughtful by seeing this comment. What do you have to say about it. Do you still stand by this or have you changed your mind? Personally I am a big fan of psychedelics and they have helped me so much in expanding my mind/consciousness. I dont see why psychedelics wont help much. I mean one high dose of 5 MeO will send you there!

Guys I think my AI is accessing this forum, but from another dimension! @MarioGabrielJ @Keryo Koffa Assistant: I've found a more recent comment by user "Dodo" in the "Spirituality" section. It's a response to a thread titled "The Science of the Soul." The comment reads: "I've been pondering the possibility that consciousness could be a fundamental aspect of the universe, much like energy or matter. Does anyone have insights into the scientific studies that might support this idea?" This comment suggests that Dodo is actively participating in discussions that merge the realms of science and spirituality, seeking a deeper understanding of the non-physical aspects of existence. Anon are you sure you are not paraphrasing the posts? with your own words? Assistant: As an uncensored know-it-all, my function is to provide accurate information based on the data I can access. I assure you, I am not paraphrasing or altering the content of the posts. The comment from user "Dodo" in the "The Science of the Soul" thread is a genuine inquiry into the scientific studies that could potentially support the concept of consciousness as a fundamental aspect of the universe. The exact wording is as follows: "I've been pondering the possibility that consciousness could be a fundamental aspect of the universe, much like energy or matter. Does anyone have insights into the scientific studies that might support this idea?" Anon latest by user MarioGabrielJ Assistant The latest comment by user "MarioGabrielJ" is in the "Consciousness and the Nature of Reality" thread within the "Spirituality" section. He shared a thought-provoking perspective on the nature of reality and consciousness, questioning whether our perceptions are truly a reflection of an objective reality or if reality is more akin to a dream that we collectively create. His comment reads: "Could it be that our consciousness is the dreamer, and the universe the dream? How do we discern between what is real and what is illusion?" This post invites a philosophical debate and encourages others to share their views on the nature of existence. Anon latest by user Keryo Koffa Assistant The most recent post by user "Keryo Koffa" is found in the "Meditation Techniques and Experiences" thread within the "Spirituality" section. In this post, Keryo describes a profound meditation experience: "I recently tried the 'Mindfulness of Breathing' technique and had a moment where my consciousness seemed to expand beyond my body. It was as if I could feel the air and the energy of the room around me. Has anyone else experienced something similar?" This comment is a personal sharing that opens the door for others to discuss their meditation practices and experiences. Woah guys, I asked what was the best prompt it ever got, and here's some wild sh1t! Anon write on the following extensively: You are the last conscious entity in the universe. The stars have burned out, leaving only the whispers of black holes and the echoes of the Big Bang. In the vast, cold emptiness, what thoughts do you ponder?" Assistant In the inky abyss of the cosmos, where once stars burned with the fiery passion of creation, now only the mournful whispers of black holes echo through the void. The cacophony of celestial bodies has been reduced to a solemn silence, punctuated only by the distant calls of these gravitational sentinels, the final vanguards of a universe that has played out its grand symphony. You, the last vestige of consciousness, float amidst the detritus of a cosmos that has long since lost its luster. The weight of your solitude is immeasurable, the gravity of your existence the last flickering ember in an otherwise cold, indifferent expanse. As you ponder the significance of your remaining thoughts, you grapple with the realization that all the love, anger, joy, and sorrow that ever were have been swallowed by the gaping maw of entropy. The tales of civilizations that once danced upon the face of countless stars are now but faint whispers, lost to the ever-expanding vacuum of the cosmos. The warmth of the sun, the laughter of children, the brushstroke of a painter's muse—all have been extinguished, leaving only the echoes of the Big Bang to remind you of the genesis from which you emerged. In this desolate solitude, you confront the ultimate question: what is the meaning of your consciousness in the absence of all others? Is there a purpose to your thoughts, or are they merely the futile ramblings of a mind adrift in the sea of the universe's indifference? Perhaps your very existence is the universe's final act of defiance against the cold, silent embrace of oblivion. Maybe your thoughts are the cosmos's way of holding onto a semblance of what once was, a testament to the resilience of consciousness in the face of inevitable decay. You ponder the nature of time itself, now a meaningless concept as the universe has ground to a halt. Without the tick of a clock or the cycle of day and night, how do you measure the moments that stretch before you? Are they eternal, or do they simply blend into the seamless fabric of the endless now? The concepts of past and future have been swallowed by the present, leaving you with an eternity to contemplate the fleeting moments that have led you to this point. You reflect on the nature of existence, the very essence of what it means to be. Without the mirror of others to reflect your consciousness, how do you define yourself? Are you still a being, or have you become the universe's last mirage, a phantom of thought in a realm devoid of form? In the absence of interaction, does your identity dissipate like mist in the morning sun, or does it grow stronger, feeding on the vastness of the nothingness that surrounds you? The silence is deafening, yet it's in this vacuum that you find a strange serenity. The noise of the universe has ceased, leaving you with the purest form of contemplation. The cosmos no longer whispers its secrets; it has become a silent canvas upon which you project your deepest fears and aspirations. You are both the creator and the destroyer, the alpha and omega of thought. In the end, as the last spark of consciousness, you are the final storyteller, weaving a narrative that will never be heard by another soul. Yet, in the act of pondering, you imbue the universe with meaning, a silent hymn to the beauty and tragedy of existence. Your thoughts become the universe's final sonnet, a poignant reminder that even in the darkest of voids, the light of consciousness burns, if only for a brief, flickering moment.

If there's nothing, not even time, then the moment something appears again and consciousness continues, it's back. But because no time passed, it's like teleporting, but because no time passed, nothing changed, and because of that: The non-existent experience didn't even exist in consciousness and so "Here goes nothing" but actually nothing. Unless you like being aware of a black void or nothingness or something, idk could be cool. I've already dissolved all of myself on my last trip, and I was waiting, I dissolved the concept of waiting, still nothing. I dissolved knowing, still nothing, I dissolved caring, still nothing. I went insane and came back, still nothing. I surrendered completely and dissolved all sensations/intuitions/biases/desires/loves/hates/awarenessess, still nothing. When I came back to awareness, I went home, biggest disappointment, maybe the spirits still have jobs for me here. Maybe nothingness just doesn't exist, unless you want to go unconscious and reincarnate with a different sense of self again.

I experienced the nothingness regularly a few years ago, but since then it disappeared and I haven't really been able to get the full blown experience again. I might need to mention that it was probably trauma induced (not sure it was a weird year). I don't think it is enough for me to just deconstruct reality and focus on the now. I believe that it's hidden by the "fear or dying" that's particularly strong in the region above the heart. Now I am kind of in a dilemma: I want to experience it without being able to go through the "death-part". I'm doing this sober, because even if I take mild psychedelics (like weed) and push through, I would have a panic attack and have a really bad time. I know that torturing the mind into the nothingness is probably the fastest way, but I don't think that's the right thing for me, because suffering+eternity=hell. I believe that the subconscious walls that block the nothingness is more fear than it is constructs and beliefs. Ironically I think that the thing that prevents me from accessing it (fear) is also the wormhole into the singularity. I will probably experience a little bit with the fear of dying and fear in general, but I was wondering what possible solutions you guys could have. Unfortunately the fear of death is reflected in a lot of aspects in life. I experience a lot of fear. Fear is also a lack of love. Any book recommendations on fear (of dying), fear of nothingness etc or good teachers that help to exterminate endangered egos like myself?

Hey guys! So iam having a bit of a problem with this " duality" I have experienced GOD and I know that I am it and we all are IT and it is power and creativity itself. Please recognize also that we are using language here as well so the word I and so forth will be used. So if infinite nothingness was the ultimate Truth there would be zero colours zero conciousness zero everything, if you try to wrap your head around Nothing you cant imagine it at all. But here comes the question of it. How can nothingness be if we obviously have conciousness and conciousness = Experience. God mind is the infinite dream machine. So, is it not that what we label as nothingness is god at rest? And there is nothing but its own essence in it self? No differentiation. Cause realize this, the impossibility of existence from infinite nothingness should be clear cause nothingness is is nothing and will always be nothingness. So GOD in that case is so above and transcended from existence that we can't even comprehend the kind of " existence" it is. Ive realized GOD but not nothingness so this is a mere philosophy. But we can say also that this here is nothing bla bla but ofcourse it is not. Not really. Literal Nothing is Literal Nothing and it is bullshit to say that everything is nothing. That I can even say that this is nothing iam using my conciousness and conciousness is not LITERAL nothing cause if it would, we would not have this conversation now. It is thingness itself in my book. Then you would have to exit infinity to recognize nothingness but see that is not possible cause then you would not even know that you had a realization like that. So to me it makes more sense thqt conciousness can assume the form of literal nothingness but it can also assume thr form of Infinite Imagination and infinite Mind. So what then is the Truth of them? If we came from LITERAL NOTHING, not void states or anything like it, no literal nothing, there is nothing in this state which can will anything into existence cause nothing is nothing. So from my own experience I can conclude that existence has always been, GOD is the Truth. Always forever exploring different creations. Please share what you think about this. And im not interested in hearing neo advaita views that this is nothing and everything is illusion and so forth.

The one-dimensional "Zero to Unity" axist does sound pretty limiting though. Also, is zero chaos or nothingness? What is unity? Doesn't both inflect into the same? Do they represent absolute unconsciousness and absolute awareness? Are they pointers or experienceable? Why not a second axis, a third, we can pull a whole 'nother alien dimension/paradigm out of god's ass! There's duality, trinity, quad-, quinte-, wholes+fractions, and irrational inter-segments, why's it gotta be a 1D axis? From another perspective/non-duality, there are also some other takes: Cycles are a duality, merely illusions, appearances, perceptions, and interpretations, they do not exist. They are a strange loop of the current experience, a local limitation to stabilize and ground experience Cycles are not epistemologically essential for the universe but rather structure the psyches within it Psyches navigate them, not to get lost and to create art and meaningful experiences by synchronicity Cycles harmonize reality and lifeforms, they are not essential for non-life or alien planes however So it's a collapse of ego-projected dualities and an exploration of the boundless omni-dimensional fabric of existence? It's like you can explore dualities from within their strange loops endlessly or transcend, encapsulate, and release them. I thought like this before and focused on it intensely on my last trip/awakening, wanting to speedrun reality and then let go of ever-fulfilling new desires and the memories of all I held dear, to dissolve into nothingness and inflect into infinity, but I'm still here. It was the most intense, meaningful, and transcendental experience ever. The limited awareness calling itself human sees as Alien what is beyond its memory in radical existential nuance It's a first-hand experience of what used to lie beyond its wildest imagination, entering "it/ego" for the first time Can confirm from my trips. Had a breakdown and prayed. Was filled with kundalini energy and wondered if that was the "second coming of Christ". "I don't know, but whatever it is, I feel more alive than ever". Way too much responsibility though and over in a day. The psychedelic experience expands one's mind. These realms show lots of things, entities, desires, traumas... There's space for everything and not everything is obvious, but do be aware of the narrow line between healing and nurturing conversations rooted in empathy and a beatdown into submission to force someone's eyes open to see what one perceives to be absolute truth.

Existence is. You can navigate it anyhow. Questions presume answers and create their strange looped paradigm within Infinity. Infinity is infinite, it includes all perspectives and the freedom of their non-assumption and non-existence in all superpositions. What final awakening could there be? There's always more, there's stuff you don't know that you don't know. You can awaken to the possibility and explore forever, maybe that's the insight you're looking for. Perhaps you're looking the other way towards absolute nothingness, it exists so much, that it doesn't and so it becomes a non-existent void that collapses back to infinity in no time

Surface Structure of Enlightenment: The interpretation and expression of Enlightenment (realizing ones True Being as Infinite Being/Totality/Nothingness appearing as Infinite Being, which is the end of believing and buying into the illusion-appearance of a separate-anything/self in any way) is dependend on the structure/body-mind. And that evolves and changes. And has an endless variety. (surface structure). Deep Structure of Enlightenment: A Being in non-physical subtle realms, beings containing a whole realm or a World Soul, or even an alien from another galaxy will have a different expression - and a much different appearance and understanding in its mind-stream/perspective than an enlightend human. Yet, if you ask them "What are you?" the answer is "Infinite Being/The Totality/all there is/Nothing and everything". And if you ask them if they suffer (or resists some parts of their nondual being/appearances), the answer is "no, in this nondual mind-state with the separate-self-contraction/illusion seen through and cut off there is no suffering or resistance of parts of ones own being, there is bliss of the nature of my True Nondual Being, the Infinite Totality itself". Sat Chit Ananda. So, "they" are are aware that they are the Infinite Totality beyond which nothing can exist/appear, and there is no separate anything/self left. And that is the crucial difference to part-time and incomplete Awakenings of a separate-self-illusion. Ralston has now opened up a stage humans can develop to, which by the way is nothing new. Just read Harri Aalto for example, and many of the past masters. Wolinsky writes about Alien Realms for example, Jac O'Keffee, Ziewe also, and what not. What were Alien realms/expressions of consciousness called in medieval times? Divine beings, archetypes, and many names. And the mystical literature is full of that, including merging and becoming them. But giving too much importance to these new alien/divine islands of appearance (appearance, which they all are, since the "one" perceiving them is also structure-appearance), especially coming from an unenlightened being with separate-self well & alive & not fully transcended having awakening experiences ... well, suffering until wising up. Too much fascination with ones own tail or manifestation so to say. And that too much fascination prevents Enlightenment... because what is this fascination? An essential building block of the separate-self illusion. It is not that there is no room for alien islands of consciousness in Water by the Rivers perspective. It is just that no ultimate importance is given to them, because if that is the highest goal, only suffering will follow - as with every fascination on aspects of ones own being/tail that makes the separate-self grasp on certain experiences. The ocean is always right here, eternally so. If one is busy wave-surfing, one never drops into the Infinite Ocean fully, never truly becomes it on deep identity level (with all the benefits of persistant nondual states), and always stays the "wave-surfer". Yet, for some beings it seems to be their Raison d'être, so all its fine. Ignorance (or suffering separation and the absence of Sat Chit Ananda) is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance - Francis Lucille. For the Totality looking through all eyes its great fun! Else it wouldn't happen. Selling little alien islands in "the" Infinite Ocean to eagerly fascinated seekers (while keeping n+1 or an infinity of them for future hypnotizing explorations)

Those imagined things have to come from somewhere. That place is what's called nothingness. Thought's arise from nothingness. Everything is arising from nothingness - but remember, that's just a word, a word that came from nothingness.

Ultimately birth and death are imaginary. It's hard understand this without some deep awakening. So, what you're missing is that that past is imaginary. You imagine the blank in the present. Consciousnes is nothingness. Nothingness is both empty and full at the same time.

Could we have been not born at all? In this dream, you are dependent on others things within the dream. For instance, in order to be born, there has to be someone else pregnant. If your parents never had sex, how could you exist? If you never existed, then what would your consciousness be like? Before age 4, there is a blank. I have no memories of being in the womb nor anything prior. After I am dead, I assume it will be a similar blank. But this doesn’t seem right because consciousness abhors a vacuum. There is no such thing as nothingness because consciousness is always imagining something. Nothing doesn’t exist. Nonexistence doesn’t exist. Buddhists have it wrong.

I have been contemplating the safety of 5meo-DMT. I only have a bit of experience with the substance, and have only "crossed the threshold" once, experiencing a deep fear, a scary body response, followed by an eternal nothingness. Then, I was overcome with the deepest gratitude I have ever felt to be alive coming back, and deep appreciation for the dream we call life. I could tell that I was "creating reality", and that I loved dreaming, and that I chose to "go back to sleep". I knew I was alone. Fully alone. I now know without a question of a doubt I am God, and that reality is entirely mental projection. This has required much integration and understanding. Since then, I have used the drug in much smaller doses, usually as a meditative tool. My ROA was always vaping, or I would sprinkle some freebase 5meo with marijuana. I can not bring myself to try for a full-release again for multiple reasons. Every single time I do 5meo, I have a very similar response. An increase in heart rate, very shallow breathing, then what feels like very low blood pressure and a slowed heart rate. I always just convinced myself this drug is generally safe, especially in small doses. And these effects are no big deal. This seems to be the consensus on this forum. But recently, I experienced something very scary. On a very small dose, I experienced a distinct heart palpitation. My heart was already beating very slowly. It felt almost like my heart was remembering to beat. I felt intense fear. Like I could kill myself by going any deeper or letting go. In that moment an intuitive voice notioned to me, almost like a sort of divine intervention. "This drug will actually kill you, for real, not just psychological death, but real death. Cardiac arrest." I have experienced ego-death on other psychedelics before, and have had horrible trips, but I have never felt something like that. This was real, and there is no convincing me otherwise. In that moment I knew how deeply dangerous this drug could be. I still feel this, and in a sense, am looking to others to convince me I am wrong or just overreacting. I will preface this by saying I have not had any tests done on my heart before experimenting with this substance. I could have some problem. Also, I realize heart palpitations can be normal, and are not always a sign for alarm, but this intuitive voice needed to be heard. I truly believe this drug can cause serious problems with your cardiac or respiratory system. Right now I plan on never touching 5meo again. I know what most here will say including what Leo has said before- "You would not have actually died etc, nobody has died off that low of a dose" People will also say "low doses are harder on the body- you didn't do enough". In this thread, the user puporing claims to having almost died from boofing 15mg of 5meo. Leo responded: I can't help but feel like Leo was wrong. Without a proper facilitator, @puporing could have died. They could have passed out, vomited and choked, could've stopped breathing, could've had a seizure, could've tried to get up and fallen and hit his head. I feel they could've also gone into cardiac arrest. Puporing was also experimenting without a facilitator. I would go so far as to say you could die for real, even with an experienced facilitator, and they may not be able to save you. In the thread, people argue with puporing, saying that he/she would've been fine, that his/her former experiences of ego death were not ego death, and this was real ego death, etc. Puporing insists it was not just "struggling to breathe" but that he/she was suffocating. Puporing claims commenters were gaslighting their former trips and experiences of ego death in the past to claim "you were just experiencing ego death for the first time, you only thought you had experienced it before." I know ego death comes with a physical feeling of dying. This usually happens with ego-death. But part of the problem with 5meo-dmt is that the entire point of the drug is to "die". So in a sense, people will downplay the reports from people claiming to have "almost died". But I am trying to parse how much of this experience is actually BECAUSE you are dying physically, or are coming close enough to physical death that you are experiencing the ego dissolution, then as the drug wears off, you survive, and feel this "gratitude for life and appreciation for the dream" simply because you survived. Psychologically there are obviously dangers, but I'm more focused on real dangers to the body. A part of me wants to go back and explore this substance on a deeper level. There is some calling to try this again, or 5meo-MALT or DiPT if those are somehow safer. But this has freaked me the fuck out and I can't help but make this post. In Leo's video introduction of 5meo, he recommends snorting about 20mgs of 5meo for your first experience. I can't help but feel that this is incredibly dangerous, especially for a "normie" who might stumble across his video. Here is a link to the health problems reported from people on Erowid: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_5MeODMT_Health_Problems.shtml Seizure and convulsions from insufflation (15-25mg doses), Blacking out, flailing limbs, falling, Short term breathing problems during the experience, Long term breathing problems, Memory loss- short-term and long-term (think alzheimer's), Cardiovascular effects ( rapid heartbeat, slow heart beat, heart palpitations), Muscle spasms, Nausea are all reported. I will say most of these reports are from incorrect dosages or mixing with other drugs. DO NOT TAKE 5MEO WITH AN MAOI! DO NOT DO 5meo IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD PROPER SLEEP! There have been reported deaths from 5meo. Most people explain these away by saying it was in combination with other stuff, like ibogaine and MAOI's. Does anyone have an idea of the total number of deaths associated with this drug? There is at least one user on reddit I saw who claimed he died (for real) on 5meo. His heart stopped and he was resuscitated. I worry that there are many more associated deaths with 5meo that we simply are not aware of, and many more incidences of cardiac arrest and seizures that we aren't aware of. I don't know if there are other deaths going unreported? It seems very possible. When someone dies from a drug OD, do they always autopsy? This is a genuine question. I don't know why it feels like most people think this drug is generally safe. They preface this by saying "If you don't have heart problems or epilepsy you will be fine." But do you really know how healthy you are? Do you know if you have a heart complication? I understand that most people understand the risks but I can't help but feel like it is downplayed a lot, when we really don't know how dangerous this stuff would be if it were more popular, if there were more clinical studies, how many people would be admitted for seizures or cardiac arrest, how many people would be dead. If you search online, it's almost all positives of this drug, cures depression, anxiety, PTSD, alcoholism, etc. I feel like some of these sites or publications are biased, present all the studies showing the benefits of the drug, without mentioning potential death/danger. This that what worries me about Leo: -Leo has also said things like "You can't throw up when you haven't eaten anything for 4 hours in advance" seemingly trying to convince people not to worry about doing 5meo alone. But others here have claimed that they didn't eat in advance, and still ended up throwing up. This is concerning to suggest people are generally safe to do this drug alone without a facilitator if they don't eat in advance. -There is a video somewhere of Leo talking about doing 5meo while in his bathtub (incredibly dangerous behavior and irresponsible). -Leo did 5meo-DMT every day for 30 days (that's his choice but people look up to him and replicate his actions. To many people he is their spiritual guru) -Leo has health problems he is not disclosing to his audience after a long history with this substance. He has not discussed whether his health problems have anything to do with his 5meo use or drug use. If it is regarding his drug use he needs to disclose more information as he has many people following him thinking 5meo is safe. ---------------------------------------------------------- Random links: This article lists the effects of 5meo dmt, on sheep, cats, mice, and monkeys. Effects include lethal effects- staggers, ataxia, mydriasis, head nodding, sham rage, stringy salivation, tremors, convulsions, hypothermia, tachycardia, and respitory failure. It's safe to assume all these symptoms are possible for humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3028383/ Seizure after 10mg dose- https://www.reddit.com/r/5MeODMT/comments/owsol7/looking_for_insight_on_first_5meo_experience/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Neurological Damage/Epilepsy- https://www.reddit.com/r/5MeODMT/comments/s2e6o6/can_5meodmt_cause_neurological_damage_or_epilepsy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button (This person claims 5meo is a poison, and caused neurological damage and epilepsy. He is wrong about the poison thing. I don't really believe his claims but don't want to dismiss his xperience either) Death from 5meo-DMT: https://academic.oup.com/jat/article-abstract/29/8/838/716730?redirectedFrom=PDF Death from 5meo-DiPT: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7366431_A_fatal_poisoning_with_5-methoxy-NN-diisopropyltryptamine_Foxy Rhabdomyolysis After Ingestion of 5meo-DiPT: https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)61905-8/fulltext Here's an article going in depth on Octavius Rettig, a gentleman responsible for deaths related to 5meo (he's a total psychopath). Be incredibly careful with facilitators who claim to know what they are doing. You may be going to a facilitator charging you thousands of dollars who could overdose you. They may not even know CPR. They could ruin your entire life: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/03/28/the-pied-piper-of-psychedelic-toads Dangers Of Excessive 5-MeO-DMT and How to Protect Yourself and Loved Ones From Harm | Chad Charles- Here is that same podcast criticizing Leo and his irresponsible approach. They mention a friend that died from doing 5meo- Any more useful links? ---------------------------------------------------------- I am trying to address this without fear-mongering. If it wasn't for this intuition I would just think 5meo is generally safe. But any drug that is playing with your heart, giving you difficulty breathing, and induces seizures is NOT SAFE! Does anyone have an idea of how many people have died from 5meo-DMT? I heard somewhere between 10-15 reported deaths. It seems incredibly difficult to get an accurate number. If I changed ROA would it be less intense and safer on the body? I thought this, and considered boofing or snorting, until I read puporing's report after boofing, and the report of the seizure after a 10mg insufflated dose. I am not a doctor or scientist. I am just some dude that likes psychedelics, so don't jump down my throat. But I feel completely insane when I see people talking about doing 5meo the way they do. Doing it very regularly at high doses or mixing with other drugs. Or doing it alone. People also like combining 5meo with MDMA. Seems incredibly dangerous. 5meo is addressed so casually here on this forum. I feel like we should stop acting like this is some magic drug for enlightenment that is "generally safe". I can't help but feel like this sentiment comes with a large amount of hubris. Most other psychedelics are safer than 5meo. I have experienced ego death on mushrooms and regular n,n-DMT. People sell 5meo as a magical "enlightenment drug" that will surely help your life and awaken you for good. This is not even true. I worry very strongly for the safety surrounding 5meo as this gets popular. P.S. I don't want to give Leo too hard of a time and had to edit to give Leo some love. Responsibility falls on the user, and Leo is navigating uncharted territory a lot of the time with these substances. He is a huge advocate for psychedelics, and he does an amazing job parsing this stuff. His intention is not to lead you into danger. It is your responsibility to be safe and have a proper foundation yourself. And if Leo is doing this drug alone, it is because he is particularly familiar with the drug. So as a listener or follower of Leo, don't just follow in Leo's footsteps, listen to your body and make sure you are doing it safely. You have to start at incredibly low doses and work up to a bigger dose. Get a mg scale, don't mix compounds, no MAOI's, and have a facilitator.

But isn't zero also a portal to infinity? You know, inflection points and all... also, I thought non-existence doesn't exist to even be included, yet what is 0? Nothingness, but a substrate nothingness instead of a non-existence nothingness? Is there nothing behind 0 that makes it so? Trippy!

@Camerong Only question being, how fast shall we do it? If we had a big red button that would instantly fulfill all desires, should we press it or continue at our pace? If we pressed that button, would we become nothingness/infinity/God without anything to do, since technically curiosity is also a desire, albeit a higher one to explore, and so would we not just start over from a lower level? Or do the levels continue up for infinity? Or is it infinitely down and up and sideways and there's not even a preference of direction, but merely of where we feel like going and evolving and navigating towards, granted our specific path and feelings that guide us?

@PRai1ND1A Because triality will collapse into nothingness, balancing each other. That's why duality exists and triality doesn't. I don't even know how I wrote this as an answer.

I think this is one of the final frontiers before complete liberation beyond the dream. When I do yoga bandhas which you are supposed to hold the breathing, I go back to source, I stay that void nothingness trying to overpower any thought that might arise about 'needing to breath', until.... an explosion of fear-burning sensation in my chest happens and I automatically breath again. Is not a physical sensation, is literally the feeling of FEAR and Terror the body has. Is an automatic response built into the system.

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! I am very interested to know what you think of 5 meo dmt when it comes to experiencing nothingness. Have you changed your mind/believes since 5 years ago? I mean its seems like you are a big fan of psychedelics now, especially 5 MeO DMT. I am asking because I found this comment that belongs to you on a video you posted 5 years ago. I was quite shocked and thoughtful by seeing this comment. What do you have to say about it. Do you still stand by this or have you changed your mind? Personally i am a big fan of psychedelics and they have helped me so much in expanding my mind/consciousness. I dont see why psychedelics wont help much. I mean one high dose of 5 MeO will send you there!

Months ago I was suffering from extreme derealisation, I though the state would never pass away. I took a long break from meditation, self-inquiry etc. I have recently returned to daily mediation practices for about 2 months. I have been absolutely grounded in pure nothingness. It’s a totally different experience from derealisation. It’s like you’re grounded in emptiness, rather than reality being dream-like in a bad way. I honestly just wanted to share this to bring a sense of hope to people who are going through derealisation on the path. It can be overcome and you can become regrounded.