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So quick story short, Summary - Had so much stomach pain,decided to take 100mcg lsd p1 to stop the pain, because i knew in higher states of mind there is no pain. - Fell asleep - Deconstructed reality in my mind in nothingness, with this realization/knowing i woke up - Reality was different, my mind was controlling a lot of things. -feet, hands are perfect/devine , on every thing that i stepped changed with some energy patterns - Reality was changed and stable, for example my neighbours house had a white big teddybear hanging out of the window, when they (can't ) even open this window. It was built perfectly, no difference between real/unreal. - Decided to take my phone to make a picture, for some reason it was saying battery is low. - DECIDED TO PLUG IT IN TO RECHARGE, SAYS "YOUR PHONE IS TOO WET" CAN'T RECHARGE. And i never have had this error message before. So my request on behalf of all members is for @Leo Gura , to pin this thread. So we can research this topic further, and for members to try to make a "picture" in higher states of mind/consciousness. You can make a picture from your new realiy for example when you have noticed, that it is not actually in your reality like with the window thing.

Hi @Leo Gura & Everyone else! I hope you are doing well. After years of Spiritual Practice or after taking Psychedelics, When we all reach a state where we experience nothingness, pure beingness at the same time we also feel and experience that this Nothingness being is Me my Higher Self. And then we call it GOD. We say I am Nothingness, Consciousness, Pure Beingness, I am GOD. What if we are misunderstanding the Our Nothingness / Consciousness with GOD? What If I (Consciousness /Being) is not GOD but I (Consciousness /Being) is a Creation of GOD from his infinite creations? What is Nothingness is actually our last boundary wall or our ultimate limitation from which we can't go beyond? What if GOD has created a very powerful Creation named "Being" Which can itself create infinite possibilities in itself Like Mind, Body & World....? That is already understood that We are not a body, We are not a mind, not a world but we are pure powerful Transparent formless conscious beings who can create their own Mind, Body & World. What if GOD is apart from his creations: "Beings"? To better understand what I am saying, please check the following attached Diagrams made by me: Waiting for responses. Thanks

That’s a straw man. Anyone can conceive of much worse fates. But suffering is a spectrum and that happens to be the worst I’ve got going on right now. It’s worse because it’s chronic and ruthless, unlike temporarily feeling hurt by some douchebag player who promised a relationship only to use you for a night.. Not only that but the game is rigged against us in such a way that we’re automatically assumed to be a threat until proven otherwise. Then there’s the valid worry of making one wrong move when it comes to physical escalation because it can cause legal consequences, pickup is supposed to be an act of flirting with women, not with sexual harassment lawsuits. When mistakes do cause us big trouble, we get fully blamed and told to improve instead of any attention getting placed on the sexist system itself. The issue goes far deeper than just not getting laid. No. Nothing at all. Same with everyone. What we call our “self” is just an outer projection of what we think we are, such as thoughts, feelings, preferences etc. But at the deepest level we’re nothingness, right? That’s what everyone who masters meditation says

Hello, I just watched "The enlightened self" video, and I tried to picture Leo as nothing. And it was just too hard, I see people as something different and apart, like they have their own qualities and they do other things. The only thing I could do there was picturing him as me, as part of my field of awareness, as if I was the person that was saying those things, I'm not sure if that's the right approach, because I can tell differentiating people gives me sort of the anxiety I've been holding for my whole life. (Funny I wrote "lie" instead of "life" and thought that would be a more appropriate way to say it) thanks jackyjoy

The chicken, the road, and the crossing are all imaginary manifestations within infinite consciousness. There is no separate chicken, no actual road, and no real crossing - just consciousness imagining itself as this entire scenario. Leo Gura's Ontology: The Chicken Crossing the Road According to Leo Gura's perspective on reality, we could interpret the chicken crossing the road scenario as follows: 1. Everything is Consciousness: The chicken, the road, the act of crossing, and even the concept of "crossing" are all manifestations of consciousness. They are not separate physical entities but aspects of a unified, infinite consciousness. 2. Reality as Imagination: The entire scenario is imaginary. Not just in the sense of being a thought experiment, but in the deeper sense that all of reality, including what we perceive as physical, is an act of imagination by infinite consciousness. 3. No Separate Self: The chicken doesn't have a separate self that decides to cross the road. The chicken, as we conceive it, is part of the imagination of infinite consciousness. 4. Illusory Nature of Time and Space: The road, representing space, and the act of crossing, representing time, are both illusions created by consciousness. There is no actual movement happening, as everything exists within timeless, spaceless consciousness. 5. Radical Non-Dualit*: There is no real distinction between the chicken and the road. The apparent separation is part of the imaginary scenario created by consciousness. 6. Emptiness as the Ground of Being: The chicken and the road are manifestations appearing in the "emptiness" or "nothingness" of pure consciousness, much like images projected on a blank screen. 7. Infinite Possibilities: The chicken could potentially do anything, not just cross the road, because within infinite imagination, all possibilities exist simultaneously. 8. The Unborn and Undying Nature: The chicken was never really "born" and doesn't really "die". These are just concepts within the greater imagination of consciousness. In this view, asking "Why did the chicken cross the road?" is based on several misunderstandings: 1. That there is a separate chicken 2. That there is a separate road 3. That there is an act of crossing 4. That there is a "why" or reason within ultimate reality Instead, we might say: The chicken crossing the road is one of infinite scenarios being imagined by consciousness, which is what you truly are. You are not observing a chicken crossing a road; you are the infinite consciousness imagining itself as a chicken, a road, and the act of crossing, all simultaneously. This perspective radically challenges our conventional understanding of reality and identity, suggesting that the humor in the chicken joke arises from our misunderstanding of the true nature of reality. -- * Edit: Because the AI made a distinction between real and imaginary I emphasized that there is no distinction and this is what it gave: The chicken, the road, and the crossing are consciousness. The distinction between real and imaginary dissolves - all is equally real and equally imaginary within infinite consciousness exploring itself.

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! I am very interested to know what you think of 5 meo dmt when it comes to experiencing nothingness. Have you changed your mind/believes since 5 years ago? I mean its seems like you are a big fan of psychedelics now, especially 5 MeO DMT. I am asking because I found this comment that belongs to you on a video you posted 5 years ago. I was quite shocked and thoughtful by seeing this comment. What do you have to say about it. Do you still stand by this or have you changed your mind? Personally I am a big fan of psychedelics and they have helped me so much in expanding my mind/consciousness. I dont see why psychedelics wont help much. I mean one high dose of 5 MeO will send you there!

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I experienced the nothingness regularly a few years ago, but since then it disappeared and I haven't really been able to get the full blown experience again. I might need to mention that it was probably trauma induced (not sure it was a weird year). I don't think it is enough for me to just deconstruct reality and focus on the now. I believe that it's hidden by the "fear or dying" that's particularly strong in the region above the heart. Now I am kind of in a dilemma: I want to experience it without being able to go through the "death-part". I'm doing this sober, because even if I take mild psychedelics (like weed) and push through, I would have a panic attack and have a really bad time. I know that torturing the mind into the nothingness is probably the fastest way, but I don't think that's the right thing for me, because suffering+eternity=hell. I believe that the subconscious walls that block the nothingness is more fear than it is constructs and beliefs. Ironically I think that the thing that prevents me from accessing it (fear) is also the wormhole into the singularity. I will probably experience a little bit with the fear of dying and fear in general, but I was wondering what possible solutions you guys could have. Unfortunately the fear of death is reflected in a lot of aspects in life. I experience a lot of fear. Fear is also a lack of love. Any book recommendations on fear (of dying), fear of nothingness etc or good teachers that help to exterminate endangered egos like myself?

Hey guys! So iam having a bit of a problem with this " duality" I have experienced GOD and I know that I am it and we all are IT and it is power and creativity itself. Please recognize also that we are using language here as well so the word I and so forth will be used. So if infinite nothingness was the ultimate Truth there would be zero colours zero conciousness zero everything, if you try to wrap your head around Nothing you cant imagine it at all. But here comes the question of it. How can nothingness be if we obviously have conciousness and conciousness = Experience. God mind is the infinite dream machine. So, is it not that what we label as nothingness is god at rest? And there is nothing but its own essence in it self? No differentiation. Cause realize this, the impossibility of existence from infinite nothingness should be clear cause nothingness is is nothing and will always be nothingness. So GOD in that case is so above and transcended from existence that we can't even comprehend the kind of " existence" it is. Ive realized GOD but not nothingness so this is a mere philosophy. But we can say also that this here is nothing bla bla but ofcourse it is not. Not really. Literal Nothing is Literal Nothing and it is bullshit to say that everything is nothing. That I can even say that this is nothing iam using my conciousness and conciousness is not LITERAL nothing cause if it would, we would not have this conversation now. It is thingness itself in my book. Then you would have to exit infinity to recognize nothingness but see that is not possible cause then you would not even know that you had a realization like that. So to me it makes more sense thqt conciousness can assume the form of literal nothingness but it can also assume thr form of Infinite Imagination and infinite Mind. So what then is the Truth of them? If we came from LITERAL NOTHING, not void states or anything like it, no literal nothing, there is nothing in this state which can will anything into existence cause nothing is nothing. So from my own experience I can conclude that existence has always been, GOD is the Truth. Always forever exploring different creations. Please share what you think about this. And im not interested in hearing neo advaita views that this is nothing and everything is illusion and so forth.

😂 lol. Well..everything is literally liberation..everything is absolute perfection and it will never be anything else. But does that mean that from the perspective of a human everything is equal ? Hell no . Yes you can spend your whole life going to the pub and fucking bitches and sniffing Cocaine etc but that's only gonna create negative karma and when you die you will be pulled back into a new body via reincarnation. And there is never gonna be an end to suffering for you. You will probably say it doesn't matter either ..but in fact it does matter to you as a human . If you are in god-mode 24/7 high on nothingness then you can speak of everything being already liberation 👍.

Jung didn't understand what is happening here. He uncovered that we have a shadow, but he didn't understand that the whole human mind is a shadow. The good part of the human mind is a mask the shadow puts on, not the other way around. He also didn't understand that it's unreal, a figment of the imagination, a shadowy identity, made out of nothing and doomed to return to nothingness. You can analyze the ego for all of your life and you will find infinite quirks, because it was born out of error and doesn't have a source. It's a bastard child.

It’s impossible to desribe a formless experience outside of all experience. Cessation as a word is accurate. Talking more about it would just remove us further from that non-experience. Cessation is a dead-end anyway. It’s a trap Buddha fell into and all those who follow his path. It’s just an “experience” of nothingness. Sure it feels like the mind and all the universe reset - so what? You will have to reincarnate again with this level of atainment. clowns like Frank Yang, Shinzen, Spira and most other teachers reach it and then preach it as enlightenment. Lol. read ACIM and start to learn true wisdom what enlightenment is. All other teachers are the messengers sent by the ego and will lead you only to death, a thousandth time.

Is the part of the worldwide game they live in, there are complex causation chains that create that particular vortex and lets not assume we can ever know all the threads of events that took and take to that situation maintain itself as I is. In maybe 400 years from now all that an many other aberations of human nature will vanish. Do you remember the dark ages in England? People cutting each other heads and dirty cities? Jack the Striper?Dark Alleys? No, none of us will ever see even if that lifes were so dark as history paint it. So, this is what will happen with all that suffering life stories, vanish into nothingness, like a bad dream you have at nigth.

Trip report: I smoked a pinch of salvia extract 10x, the trip started 20 second after, and i've realized it because my tripsitter was counting the seconds and slowly his voice and the reality were trasforming into a spinning white carousel, going faster and faster. Then i've realized that i was about to die, i felt fear because i was slowly loosing all my body sensations, then my sense of time, then my memory, and the memory that i've smoked salvia. Then after this unconfortable and disorienting situation i started to laugh very very loudly, for a long time. My true self was laughing of the beauty of TRUE reality, and because it was fooling around my diying ego, and also because i've always imagined space and time, like a poor little, stupid, ego creature. I felt into an orgasmic state of mind when everything is perfect, and is useless to explain to others, because other is imagination. After a time of silent i could speak, then the visual became half normal half spinning carousel, i could move some parts of my body. I became convinced that my 'real normal life' was endend, because when i could see reality: the room, my sitter, i was sure that it is pure hallucination and then i was about to dissolve into nothingness. I've realized that nothing exist and the perfection and the cosmic orgasm in in the nothingness. When the effect ended i cannot believe what just happened to my ego, to me. And i cannot believe that my tripsitter was real. This pleasant trip is absurd to me because i haven't got a lot of experience with psichedelics. (I've done just shrooms one time, one month ago) I was expecting a very unconfortable and fearful situation, i've set my mind in a profound state of surrender before smoking. Maybe i've had something good because it was a small pinch of salvia...i don't know, but i will do it again for sure.

@Zeroguy Very good! Altough i would say, More than nothingness tricking us, is just that we trick ourselves. 😊 But dont worry, There is indeed a clarity to arrive.

God is Infinite Love amongst other infinite things.I experienced God/Infinite Love but I died from experience now I transcended all facets of awakening by realising it's just product of Nothingness.Nothignrss tricks us into becoming all these things and creates intense euphoria just so that we keep getting invested in dreaming forever.

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It literally does come from a vacuum. Reality manifests it's infinite expressions through extracting it from nothingness (which is pure infinity). This is the only way you can explain higher complexity and novel information generation as demonstrated by evolution and the human mind. Now, novel information is of course necessarily contextualized within the given system in which it expresses itself. Given a physical system, any form of complexity naturally will be physical. But that does not mean that novel information was not created. Each limited set of existence contains a near infinite amount of possible configurations. How to arrive at particular complexities is achieved through interfacing with nothingness through free will. To ask something like "Can you create something truly outside of this world?" would be like asking if you can find a physical expression which is not physical. The question makes no sense and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the nature of infinity and creation.

@Dodo In my eyes crypto is bullshit. You’re not creating value in the world just making bets on artificial nothingness I would extend that to stock trading more generally which is mostly bs too. I have a very low approval of the whole trading game. It’s all bullshit. Share prices are at an all time high and it has nothing to do with the actual real world economy but the people fawn over it

I was smoking weed.I experienced cessation with Infinite Love.Then I experienced complete cessation and realised Infinite Love is product of cessation state.When this dreams ends I will experience Infinite Love and new dream will appear.I am nothingness before all facets .I was a bit sad but I am ok now with cessation.

It's a nothingness that is no-thing.

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! I am very interested to know what you think of 5 meo dmt when it comes to experiencing nothingness. Have you changed your mind/believes since 5 years ago? I mean its seems like you are a big fan of psychedelics now, especially 5 MeO DMT. I am asking because I found this comment that belongs to you on a video you posted 5 years ago. I was quite shocked and thoughtful by seeing this comment. What do you have to say about it. Do you still stand by this or have you changed your mind? Personally i am a big fan of psychedelics and they have helped me so much in expanding my mind/consciousness. I dont see why psychedelics wont help much. I mean one high dose of 5 MeO will send you there!

Months ago I was suffering from extreme derealisation, I though the state would never pass away. I took a long break from meditation, self-inquiry etc. I have recently returned to daily mediation practices for about 2 months. I have been absolutely grounded in pure nothingness. It’s a totally different experience from derealisation. It’s like you’re grounded in emptiness, rather than reality being dream-like in a bad way. I honestly just wanted to share this to bring a sense of hope to people who are going through derealisation on the path. It can be overcome and you can become regrounded.

If nothingness produces something, then it's not nothingness

Niroda-style cessations going blank from concentrative meditation in the waking state and then "rebooting": No. I didn't push the concentrative path/Jhanas path much, Mahamudra & Dzogchen -practice is different. On that path, these states don't need to happen, nor are they considered that important as in Theravada. I have experienced the causal states from the states & transitions during the sleep cycle. "Seeing" the rotation of waking/sleep/dream, the causal states that can show along that rotation, lucid dreams, and also the "Reality" of deep sleep. Which is exactly what is supposed to happen according to the tradition when Awareness has become strong/trained enough in the waking state that it continues in some forms into the sleep-phase, and stays during the state-changes in sleep/dream/waking which then "roll by" "before" ones True eternal unchanging Infinite Being. As a sidenote: In the Mahamudra-system there is the so called Nondissolution-Experience that opens up the boundless and eternal/timeless/always here/impersonal nature of Infinite Mind/Infinite Being and how everything emerges from "THAT", including all thought/feeling-arisings, which arise in an impersonal clockwork-like process ripening/arising from the groundless ground of Being, emerging fully formed and then being elaborated as a second step so slowly that one wonders at some point how that could have hypnotized earlier. And how time is constructed. Which I experienced as predicted in this system at the point where its supposed to happen. Which is a very valueable experience, since it shows how the separate-self, time, basically everything is constructed and emerging. Not only when "rebooting" from cessation, but in real/daily life. And that then gets stabilized with further practice. Brown, PotgW: "Though comparable in profundity to the Theravada dissolution experience, the Mahayana experience of nondissolution or unelaboration is very different, both experientially and philosophically, which is why the commentators are careful to refute the nihilistic dissolution position" "Once the practitioner gets some sense of emptiness (mere appearance,WbtR) pervading the interconnectedness of all times and realms, it becomes easier to persist with a continuous focus on emptiness when leaving the samadhi state and reentering ordinary daily experience.'" I assume that if I trained for some time in hardcore concentrative meditation that cessation-states become accessible in the waking state. I know the techniques that have to be practiced to achieve that. Yet, there seems to be a genetic/karmic/whatever factor if the long form of cessations is accessible (Niroda) or not. But I don't need these states since I have accessed the experiences/states and insights they give from other ways, as described above. And I don't need concentrative meditation to keep/access Infinite Nondual Being. Jhanas 1-7 are given anyways at that point, since its hard to "get" Infinite Space or Infinite Consciousness or Nothingness when that is already the case before any meditation during daily life. Jhana 8 (neither perception nor non-perception) / 9 (Cessation and/or Niroda) need "induction" via concentrative meditation.