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Hyper idealistic solipsism is wrong. This is the main theme of this post. Before we get to that, I see some people on the forum getting surprised or confused about leo's recent remarks on Aliens consciousnesess. Him 'opening a portal inside his skull to a colorful Infinite Cartoon landscape full of striped and polka-dotted sentient Alien creatures doing cartwheeels, backflips, and helicoptering around.' then claming 'I have Awoken to an Infinite dreamscape of pure fun and Love!' This is nothing to be surprised about. Leo already made clear his 'complete awakening' is subscribing to the notion of 'mind only' sect of non duality. His psychedelic sessions make one thing clear: Non duality. But what it confused him is that 'MY mind is the only thing I can be sure of and reality is ONLY composed of the concoction of my mind. The figments of imagination are all there is and the same is true for every other imaginary human mind. There is no 'ultimate reality' DIFFERENT from what I see, observe, touch, feel, generate in my experience' See, all of this hyper idealistic solipsism arises out of the mistaken assumption he made at the start of his psychedelic explorations years ago. 'Nothing exists but MY mind' - He makes it sure that there is no ultimate reality OUTSIDE of 'my mind' and everyone is responsible for 'their' minds. You guys are 'stuck in yout own dreams' while 'I' have broken through alien levels of awakening AND no human on this earth could ever possibly conceive of. I guess not even when said people spend 20 years using 10x more 5 Meo Dmts Leo does. He must have this 'special' intuition skills very few people on this earth is even capable of. This is the current paradigm and worldview of Leo in the way that I can see and understand.Feel free to make it more accurate. I do know what he is talking about tho as someone who has ACTUAL meditation skills and has had many experiences with different psychedelics. --- The fact of the matter is actually even more profound than what Leo make it sound like. There is an ultimate reality BEYOND your human consciousness can EVER comprehend. I'm not talking about 'using psychedelics and attaining transhuman levels of understanding' like Leo. All the alien and mickey mouse and portal into my head sorta experiences are concoctions of your brain and mind. Just like this mainstream everyday reality of chairs and tables and couches are concoctions of one's mind as well. YOU CAN'T EXPERIENCE AND DIRECTLY COMPREHEND THE ULTIMATE REALITY (which is NOT only your personal solipsistic concoction) WITH YOUR EXISTING BRAIN AND PSYCHEDELICS AND MEDITATION TECHNIQUES. Full stop. Ever. What we do as spiritual practitioners with our psychedelics, meditations and whatnot is to get INSIGHTS and understandings INDIRECTLY (via inference and demolisihing of our mind created illusions) to get the MOST accurate and closest approximation to what Ultimate reality is like. Of course, Leo would object here and say 'There is no ultimate reality 'outside' of your personal mind' Of course, he would. But the problem is that just because you CAN'T access any reality DIRECTLY, DOESNT mean that that reality outside of your 'personal' mind and conscious experiences DOESNT exist. Leo's positions is akin to how someone would say 'This Eros planet doesnt exist. We can observe this earth, moon, venus etc but this eros planet you are talking about is a complete fiction of your mind. Why do you assume this Eros planet's existece. I don't observe such planet via telescopes' Well just because you 'dont observe' it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We don't make an 'assumption' of an ultimate reality beyond our personal 'mind', Spiritual insights of emptiness, no self, impermanence and nothingness PROVIDES said inference necessary to know with absolute certainty that the reality that 'YOUR' personal mind is an absolute illusion and is your brain's 'best guess' at what this ultimate reality (which impinges on your mind and your mind is an intimately part of) might actually be like. But it is a complete farce. Your alien awakenings, mickey mouses and portals in to your head are fun little creations of your personal mind. But NOT what is ultimately true. Actually your human brain and your psychedelics CANT hope to directly perceive ultimate reality and 'Truth' Due to your strongly entrenched solipsistic way of perceiving reality, it will be challenging to accept what you value as 'complete awakening of aliens' is actually nonsensical but I do understand why you feel that way if you have such a solipsistic tendency within 'mind only' school of non duality. ---- You need to make actual arguments as to WHY for instance if a car (which is construct of your personal mind, right?) hits you with and your body flies away to god knows where. Or how you can't walk though walls. Those set of rules of consistency is NOT just how this 'dream' operates. It is a set of rules THAT IMPINGES on your personal mind and body. Those limitations are hard wired VIA the ultimate reality which is outside of your mind. If you assert no such limitations actually exists and you simply need to be 'more awake' to control the gravity and 'walking through walls' and whatnot, feel free to spend the rest of your life consuming 10.000 psychedelics in the hopes of actually making these work. You'll fail miserably and come to know the limitations of your mind only sect of non duality. --- Anyways, I can continue on but this is, in my opinion, where Leo is going the wrong path. There is no particular reason to be surprised or shocked as the signals of such a transformation to alien awakening and portals into my mind and 'I'm the most awakened being' on this planet were there prior to this transformation. Feel free to provide your arguments but this is not a criticism post actually. I just wanted to share how I view things. Much love,

That's a pretty subjective distinction because you could draw the line in various places. There are many different kinds of Awakened states so I must use that word somewhat loosely. I am not refering to one specific state but a whole category of states. My gold standard is that if we're talkin serious consciousness, you must transcend from human into alien consciousness. There's more beyond that, but if you haven't reached that level then you're still operating at relatively low human levels. And if you reached that level of consciousness you would be talking about it and teaching it. Yet I see none of these people talking about it or guiding people to it. Rupert Spira teaches people "awakening is completely ordinary". I'm sorry but there is no way my Awakenings have been ordinary. I do not have words to express how anything but ordinary my Awakenings have been. So what is he teaching you? What is this ordinary awakening? How conscious can it be? If you just smoke some salvia there will be nothing ordinary about it. You will piss yourself in terror. Well, what is it that's so terifying? If your consciousness is maxed out then why is salvia terifying the shit out of you?

@Leo Gura, as you are now awakened to these extraordinary states of consciousness, how are you now able to cope with life as a Leo and keep up with your life’s purpose? Cause here in this work we make this balance of GOD Realisation and Self actualization! Also how deep do you think this rabbit hole gos? Ive some awakenings where at the end of it I see a something new waiting for me even after having these realisations.

This reminds me of your god-forsaken solipsism video..you literally said that you don't have conscious experience of your own and that I'm imagining you teaching me solipsism. I was really convinced about that back then and I made a (not well thought out ) thread here that I've awakened to solipsism. Now that I think about it ..I don't find any compelling evidence that solipsism is true . It just seems true because it seems like my bubble of consciousness is all there is . But at the same time ..I'm not able to imagine a million bucks into existence. So I'm not sure . I prefer to remain skeptical until I'm more certain.

Spiritual rats are very entertaining. GOD thanks you for providing the AWAKENED with entertainment.

It is being, free from the delusion of doing. Absolute reality is changeless, timeless, and effortless. The awakened sages call a person wise when all his undertakings are free from anxiety about results; all his selfish desires have been consumed in the fire of knowledge. The wise, ever satisfied, have abandoned all external supports. Their security is unaffected by the results of their action; even while acting, they really do nothing at all. - Bhagavad Gita 4:19-20

When you have a nightly dream when you sleep, you can realize that it is a dream. It does not matter what technique you will use inside the dream, your dream character can meditate for x years or can take a psychedelic inside the dream, and then the dream character realizes that it is a dream. So he AWAKENS, and the dream becomes lucid. But then the awakened character can fall back into the dream and he can still experience fear and suffering, and he can be mean to others in a dream. So this analogy clearly shows that you can Awaken and then still have sufferings and meanness. Abiding in awakening is far different than direct realization that the dream is the dream dreamed by you.

You are putting the cart before the horse. You can't integerate something if you don't even see its truth clearly yet. First see the truth, then you can work on integrating it, if that is even warranted. Otherwise you run off integrating something which could simply be false. And that is exactly what the nondualists have done. If seeing truth isn't your first priority then you will act in blindness. That assumes you see the truth, which is not a safe assumption. AWAKENED consciousness is so conscious it will be beyond your abilty to integrate or embody. What you can embody is far less than what you can see. Just like when you look out at the horizon you will always see more places than you can ever physically visit. Nor is visiting all those places even the ideal outcome. Some places are meant to be seen from afar but never visited. Attachment certainly leads to suffering. But insight stands on its own. I never said you can't or shouldn't reduce certain attachments. Then again, realistically as a human you will always have plenty of attachments because that's just part of survival. You clearly speak in concepts which came from those sources. You didn't originate those concepts through deep thought and personal discovery. No matter how many infinities there are they are all you. There certainly exist higher states of consciousness than I have accessed thus far. However, all of them will be me. So I don't deny higher infinities and there is no contradiction with math. Not that math has any bearing on AWAKENESS. I don't discredit math. Math is relatively true in a limited conceptual way. Math is just not gonna do much for you in this work.

Yes. But Mary if she meditates a lot inside the dream and takes psychedelic inside the dream she can expande her small personal mind so much that it becomes the Dream-Generating Dream, she can realize that here limited mind is a facade but when she gets rid of personal ego and expands her consciousness via meditation and psychedelics she can realize the nature of a dream, that it is totally imagined by her. She can grasp how all the possibilities possible are within her Grand Mind (not her personal mind) as a potential, and that out of this Nothingness/Grand Mind everything is generated. Yes, all the experiences and all the coffee tables inside the dream of Mary are just imaginations/figments of her Mind. And she can realize that all the potentials that can be generated by her Mind is the Ultimate Reality. Yes, all the concoctions of personal mind of Mary are illusions, but her realized Grand Mind that is generating a dream is The Ultimate Reality. Yes, Mary can train herself via meditation and psychedelics inside the dream so that she sees at all time that this is a dream generated by her Mind, at which point she is Awakened and the dream becomes a lucid dream. But all of the above do not contradict Absolute Solipsism, and only make it even more probable/elegant. Leo's claim is not that there is nothing outside Mary's personal mind inside the dream. The claim is that when Mary becomes lucid during her dream, she knows for sure that her Grand Mind is the only Mind there is. That there is no other Mind generating this dream other than her own.

Ok, but my point is that genetics is nothing to God. God far surprasses the illusion of the physical body. Genetics is equivalent to ego in the same way the personality or the physical body is the ego. Yeah, the bias is there, and you're going to want to become more familiar with it, but ultimately, it has no power over how You, as God, in its fully awakened state, has to feel. That's because the mechanism that encodes and decodes the genes is entirely in the mind; and any distortions in the consciousness can be balanced in meditation. It's the same way the body heals naturally. Sure, there's mechanism involved in the process of the body repairing itself, but you'd be a fool to recognize healing as anything short of a miracle! You Are That Miracle.

If you are awakened you are a genius. Maybe not mathematically bit Spiritually you are genius you have discovered which cannot be picked up by senses and therefore genius. The only reason mathematically genius people are recognized is because people can see their genius.

This is exactly what you'll be free of when you permanently awaken. The fact that you experience this as an everyday common occurence tells you that you have lots of work to do and you are not spiritually awakened. Time to get to work and actually apply the insight experiences you've had with psychedelics and living in with those insights 24/7. That will start changing your life on the 'depth' axis, not doing your 58th DMT session this friday.

It's funny because I was thinking something similar the other day. Not Genius/Math, but /intellectual /Awakened. A lot of Awakened people seem to be intelligent or intellectuals. Why is that? If you take notice, a lot of people who are Awakened, or claim to be, seem to have some form of intelligence or are intellectuals. Is this a coincidence or is enlightenment reserved for a selected few. Obviously not. But there seems to also be a trend there. You don't see too many uneducated people or of low intelligence speaking about enlightenment or that many Gurus for that matter. Is enlightenment reserved for a certain kind of person or is it for everyone no matter what caliber they are. Obviously the latter, but I don't see too many people online who come from a certain background or who are lacking communication skills or a certain kind of intellect or intelligence speaking about enlightenment or awakening but you do see a lot of that, with due respect, in the religious community. Makes me wonder if we can intellectualize our way to enlightenment.

@Jowblob def easier said than done i wasnt even concious in the void. While i was in there i didn't know i was there and when i was out i completely forgot i was in it. I thought I just dreamed it but then I ate some mushroom 8 years later and the mushroom told me that I was in a void then and then I understood what conciousness is instantly and kundalini awakened. I don't know how I will react if I go back. All I know is it was probably the least fun thing I've ever experienced in my entire existence as a soul. Id rate my experience with void 0/10. It indented my soul so much I was very depressed for 8 years after and I was going to kill myself if not for the mushroom . Infinite abandonment forever is no joke and I wouldn't wish it on anyone But these are the things we have to deal with

Don't worry guys, I'm not as grandiose and omnipotent as Leo. I do not claim to be the most awakened one, the God of all Gods or anything like that. I do consider quite a few people higher above me - if you will. I do think there are more 'woke' folks out there than me. For sure. And for all you brainwashed nondualists: chill, I know there is no 'others'. But consider the possibility that I know something you don't. I do have deep respect and admiration for some. Even on this forum. But sadly, those are very few. The majority of members that wanna be smart with me and prove how much more awake they are than me... are ignorant sleepwalkers. Another insult you can write down and memorize. If Leo can beat you with a zen stick, then I guess we can all bash each-other too. After all, we are being lead by an example. Right, princess? I know this place well. I learned to speak its language fluently - a while ago. I know which buttons to push. I know what it responds to. I will not be the one to clean up the mess. But I will say it's shit if it's shit. With all the good intentions, of course.

Others are you actually makes me love them even more, well the ones that can also see this and at similar level of consciousness. You literally see yourself in them, it's like an identical image. But this only really applies to people at similar level of awakened-ness. sadly you still cannot connect with egos dreaming or preferring seperation very well, even the awake ones who still prefer to be an ego than as one. Many awake ish people seem to have no desire to connect with other awake ish people for various reasons, it's kind of sad but that's what I've experienced so far. I've had glimpses of connecting with a similarly awake person before who was receptive to me (tho not fully as I was not as awake at that time and neither was that person), and it's a deep kind of love, and very much like talking to yourself and reading each other's minds and finishing sentences lol. It was sadly confined to a "professional" setting due to this person's career choice. I was hoping to at least be a friend but there was no room for that either. Idk my awakenings have not led me to want to connect less than before. But it certainly narrowed the field way down as there are almost no awakened people around or they're hard to find. Anyone I come across who isn't awake (and receptive to spiritual topics) I can't help but just start teaching them, lol. So that's how it goes (for me at least), you either become a teacher/human psychedelic or connect with people similar to you.

If you have awakened from the head, meaning you can comfortably see that reality is impersonal, empty, meaningless, and are completely detached from it, understanding it's all a dream without any substance, then the next thing to do is to awaken from the heart. Develop a pinpoint concentration in your chest, similar to the concentration at the third eye area. Emanate love from the point in your chest once you start feeling that pressure. Emanate more and more, until you realize you can love that point, and that emanation itself, so you detach from the emanation process, and you're loving everything at once from an entirely new dimension. It's a very intense state of love. Then, combine it with your awakening of your head if you haven't already. You'll see that this dream you saw as impersonal has been breathed with life, as if it's one benevolent being, emanating unstoppable love to absolutely nowhere. Now, let your relative self surface and be part of the dream, however, witness how your relative self is so absolutely made of love. If you don't at least have tears in your eyes, you haven't gone deep enough.

Yes You Will Know Them by Their Fruits Matthew 7:15-20 Ken Wilber: "The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs and I found that over the years they just become mean. Somehow it just kind of closes them down. It's like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience" And I would be more than happy if Ken Wilbers obversation doesn't hold on certain cases, and further integration and growing gentleness & love & compassion happens. Yet, we have come to see time and time again that all the past declarations of moderation have had their "challenges in implementation". Yours truly has learned the hard way that going aggresive on anything is a less than smart idea, because doing that immediately stops any kind of awakened nondual state by closing down, cutting the flow of bliss, love and compassion from the source. Causing only more suffering on top of the suffering/pain occuring by the thing causing the aggresiveness. There is no stable baseline state of staying awakened without compassion and love. And the alternative to compassion and love can only be ones own suffering. That learning & knowing (and not allowing closing-down emotions&actions) is one of the advantages of going the sobre paths. One learns time and time again not to do certain less than smart stuff because of the negative effect it has on ones state. Instant Karma so to say. There are "security locks" on Nonduality & Awakened states & Enlightenment installed by Reality itself, and of course having an autoimmune/allergic-reaction on something happening in ones visual field, in Ones Own True Being actually, (and that something can be a different opinion written in a forum, criticizing certain core beliefes/values/whatever) splits the Nondual Reality in two and causes duality and suffering. Without compassion & love (in Buddhism Boddhichitta, but all spiritual traditions have this sort of value and practice) it is impossible to truly rest in a stable way in Ones True Nondual Nature. And it is even logical: If one hates a part of oneself, one has an autoimmune/allergic reaction, making one sick/not healthy, and that splits Nonduality into fragments (one fragment/appearance hating the other fragment/appearance): Duality & suffering by definition. Selling Water by the River PS: And "not caring about being human" is of course not the path of differentiation & transcendence and integration (or healthy growth), but differentiation, disassociation and failing integration (sick "growth"), stopping continued transcendence/growth in its tracks, leading to a variety of symptoms and failed growth on many development lines. For more on that, see Ken Wilber growth model, describing in detail exactly what we can watch here. Best described in Wilber, "The Religion of Tomorrow: A Vision for the Future of the Great Traditions" (see quote below). Ken Wilber in "The Religion of Tomorrow: A Vision for the Future of the Great Traditions" One can step deeply enough into thetimeless Now to step into another dimension altogether—just step right here, and push hard. It’s easy to get lost in those worlds, which are, at bottom, simply different dimensions and perspectives of one’s own (violet) consciousness (although, as noted, from another angle, they are all real, ontologically different realms because they are each genuinely co-enacted by a different perspective in consciousness). Given that this stage is the first great transition from “earthly” realms to “heavenly” realms (as a permanent structural enaction), getting lost in these “higher worlds” is indeed one of the most common dysfunctions of this level. The deeply transcendental, otherworldly, electrically visionary nature of consciousness at this altitude makes fixation to this side of the street an incredibly inviting and alluring venture. This is likely to couple with the dysfunction, discussed earlier, of standing in heaven and giving a blistering critique of life here on earth, with all the semiprophetic pomp and pomposity that comes with it. One of the things that often happens with these specific dysfunctions is that, after making some initial discovery of a timeless Now or pure Present (either in 3rd-tier structures or higher states), one can step into that Present and then step right through it into what seem to be endless, “deeper,” “higher” realms altogether, a kaleidoscopic cascade of universes upon universes that at one point seem to be nothing but a slight wiggle in this moment’s timeless Now, and then at the next explode into almost infinitely extending real realms that are all alive and invite exploration—with a sign on the door that says “Welcome to Heaven!” This is extremely common in high subtle and low causal states, but if it happens with structures, it tends to happen right here, with the violet meta-mind (due largely to its visionary nature). In short, getting “lost in heaven” is the most common dysfunction of this level. As a dysfunction, it is—in terms of simple numbers— much more common as a result of a malformation in high subtle or causal states (given that subtle and causal states are much more common than this high altitude, and most states, and their dysfunctions, can be experienced at almost any structure-stage). But this problem is simply the living result of the enactive nature of the real world and the fact that consciousness can co-create an almost endless number of universes, any number of which one can become fixated or semiaddicted to, with straightforwardly dysfunctional results." And for experiencing all of that, meditation and/or Out of body experiences (OBEs) are and have been an alternative methods to psychedelics (which also have been used ever since, see "Secret Drugs of Buddhism: Psychedelic Sacraments and the Origins of the Vajrayana" for example. For access on these realms via meditation/OBEs/psychedelics, see also the work of for example Jürgen Ziewe (OBEs), Christopher Bache, Stanislav Grof, Rick Straussman, Andrew Gallimore, Graham Hancock in Visionary, and so on. Lot of other sources on request. There is nothing new under the sun. "Although my view is higher than the sky, my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour" - Padmasambhava

@Yimpa Yes, I'm thinking some people are more sensitive to THC than others. The people who are casually smoking weed/THC just must not be as sensitive. CBD oil is definitely psychoactive. THC, specifically, can stripe you ruthlessly from your ego, especially if you think you are 'awakened.'

After taking so much DMT, I decided to start smoking weed again. I'm telling you, Leo is right - weed is NO FUCKING JOKE. My first was a few days ago, witnessing infinite chaotic wonderland and today, it humbled the fuck out of me. Still attached to all my human desires, needs and wants. It was a semi-scary and semi-humbling experience. It goes straight to the organics of consciousness. My fucking GOD- can't get off the bed. As much as I've awakened to, I don't know shit about God.

I can only tell you my own path. I stumbled onto Leo's work and began meditation and self inquiry. Self inquiry meditation and do nothing meditation with some concentration meditation. Getting in touch with actuality. The now. And with self inquiry you simply have to inquire into what you currently believe you are and you will slowly deconstruct your own reality. Just be warned because it is very serious stuff when you realize everything we talk about here is actually true. When that happens you will bring about your own death and wake up realizing your whole life and this entire reality is a dream. Because your existence was always conceptual in the first place. If you dare then, Just listen to the first enlightenment videos he put out all the way through to all the metaphysical ones. While meditating and or psychedelics. Peter Ralstons Book of not Knowing was one of the ones I did read but awakened midway through it.

Make no mistake, when it comes to Consciousness/spirituality Jourdain is one of the most remarkable beings to have lived in the West.

We are talking about type of consciousness on this thread which is understanding of reality. Every spiritual awakening is some amount of sudden increasement of this type of consciousness, but it will get back within minutes or hours, but if the person try to embody it, then you will be stabely higher than an avarage person. Like measuring how much IQ somebody has give a concrete value, how awakened somebody is can be measured. Serious spirituality consider this type of consciousness as a concrete thing, as Leo said that he know he has truth because he is awakened. Playing unserious meditation non-duality, or philosofical mental games are not increasing this consciousness, but only people can know this who experienced some awakening or impoved his awarness with well directed self-improvement. If a person not motivated enough then practices that maybe worked for others, for him will never work and even block into some spiritual belief and he delude himself that he imporved himself. When an avarage person say that I am god and when a more awakened person say that I am god then there is difference. It is come from religion that only who don't have arrogance have higher understanding. Leo made his videos by trying to embody them in his life which can be seen on his contents. Somebody can be highly awakened, but maybe don't talk about god at all. The problem I see between Leo and forum members is that losing soul attachments is what increase awakenedness and not alien consciousness or human insanity. So somebody can be with as little psychological escape or be as awakened like Leo (he is highly awakened anyway), the person not talk about god or spiritual matters in the way Leo speak and the person don't talk about alien consciousness for example Claude Claudiu from Quora. I for example I felt deeple awakened to that every spiritual progress is neurotic, but Leo don't awakened to this because he had other attachments. Awakening is just this: Increasement of consciousness in the consciousness related to awakenings, but it doesn't related to any theme essentially. Any Spiritual Awakening increasing one type of consciousness.

I'm playing dangerous Do you know how reality is showing You things on the eyelids? I awakened.

I'm trying to understand your claim. You seem to be claiming there are two different states of consciousness (yours - awakened and mine - unawakend). Is that accurate or a misunderstanding?