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@Tron Most of modern Buddhism is spiritually corrupted Buddhism The Anti Spiritual Scam On Humanity Theravada Buddhism is stated to be the original sect and doctrine of Buddhism. What is obvious is there is a lot of talk about Buddhism and its becoming the new trendy, trend. But no actual mention of what Buddhism is as the core of its system and meaning. Just buzz words. The Buddhist Theocrats are also purposely pushing the trendy buzz words and feel goodism. Without telling anyone what Buddhism actually is. Read on to understand why. Its simple Buddhism states existence is suffering and suffering has an end which sums up its four noble "truths." Which sums up the whole system. Suffering is existence....what is the opposite of existence? Extinction, what does Nirvana mean in Pali: EXTINCTION. Buddhism states there is no soul nor eternal I or self. The person is a collection of only five aggravates or elemental forces of a consciousness that simply reform into each new incarnation according to what karma has ripened a restacking of the same deck. These forces are held together by a karmic glue and desire is what causes karma to continue on and solidify the aggravates together keeping one in the wheel of suffering which is existence. The Buddhist meditation system is basically void mediation and nothing else. Its a form of introspection that allows one to trace the roots of desire and dismantle them within the psyche. So that eventually when they die. The five aggravates will dissipate and they will cease to exist and become totally extinct. This is obtainment of Nirvana which means EXTINCTION. Buddhism states the biggest illusion and desire that causes one to stay in the cycle of existence thus life. Is the belief one has a soul an eternal I that goes on. Enlightenment in Buddhism is totally accepting the ridiculous belief that there is no self and one does not exist. Ones existence as a self is maya. This belief acceptance is believed to be the switch hit that dissolves the karmic bonds totally and allows for them to reach total Extinction, Nirvana upon death. Buddhism is a materialistic, annihilationist death cult. That preaches a strange sentimental, radical egalitarianism which is why the current Liberal West finds it so appealing. The ideology preached in the Buddhist Dhammapada is identical to the Sermon On The Mount of Christianity. Which is an enemy program. Which points to who is behind Buddhism. Who benefits from removing spiritual knowledge and replacing it with a paleo, Communistic system. Now the Buddhist system furthered laid down the following. The science of mantra and astrology was banned. And the practices of Yoga [Kundalini Yoga is Yoga] where also banned from being taught. The original eight fold path which survived in Tantra which is the esoteric knowledge of the Veda. Was replaced by the Jainist eight fold path. Which leads to nowhere spiritual. The Tantra texts uniformly agree Mantra is the number one most important tool for enlightenment which Buddhism by order removes. Its obvious what went on here. They removed the actual spiritual knowledge needed for enlightenment which is defined in the East and West as the ascension of the serpent [Kundalini Yoga] a large part of the Magnum Opus is based on astrology which in Vedic means the science of light. And replaced it with meaningless materialistic nonsense which leaves a person trapped in the cycle of suffering and does not free them from anything. They stay in a spiritual dormant state and hope for extinction of their being from all existence. As Nirvana. With the technical or symbolic language of Buddhism its stolen from the original Vedic tradition and corrupted into the opposite meaning. They changed the wine but kept the bottle. Its well established Siddhartha never existed. He is a stolen and rewrote Sun God. Something at the locus of this reveals itself quick. The Jewish Therapeutae in Alexandria are the known actual creators of Christianity which as system imposed the same ideology and removal of spiritual knowledge by corruption and alteration of the technical language in the manner found in Buddhism but within a Judaic package. It shows the same behaviour and criminal motivation. As is known the Jews have been in the East for thousands of years. Primordial Buddhism Dedicated to Otto Rahn. This article is meant to highlight what can be termed: "Primordial Buddhism." That is Buddhism that existed before the corruptions where made. The corrupted paradigm which is now the standard. I have already discussed this: "Bogus Buddhism." Elsewhere. In the ancient world the Arya's worshipped a Creator God by the title of Buddha. The Aryish Druids religion was based on the worship of a crucified and reborn God man, named: Wod, Wodan, Bud, Budh, Buddha. As DM. Murdock cites in her book: "Suns of God." "They gave [the Sacred Island] two other names, viz, Phus Inis, and Inis=na-Phuodha-which, at once, associate the "worship" with the profession of the worshippers-for, Phus Inis, is Dudh Inis-Ph, or , F, being only the aspirate of, B, and commutable with it-that is, Budh Island; and Inis-na Phuodha is Inis-na-Buodha, that is, THE ISLAND OF BUDHA." So we have ancient Ireland being titled: "The Island of Budha." Also from the same work: "The ancient Irish and Hindus used the name Budh for the planet Mercury. The stem Budh appears in all the Celtic languages as it does in Sanskrit, as meaning "all victorious" "gift of teaching" "accomplished" "enlightened" "exalted" and on." From here we see Buddhaya the Sanskrit title for Mercury. The Indo-European languages all come from Sanskrit. "The Druidic and Vedic priesthoods, language and culture are one at root, separating perhaps three millennia prior to the Christian era."- Ellis The round towers of Ireland: "O' Brien relates the words of an ancient Irish bishop Corma, "the celebrated bishop of Cashel" who in "defining the Round Towers in his Glossary of the Irish Language, under the name of Faill, wrote the following: "Carth cloacha is aire bearor fall desucedr Fo bith ro ceata suighedesat en Eire"- that is, stone-built monuments, within which noble judges [my note Druids] used to enclose vases containing the relics of Fo [i.e. Budh] and of which they had erected hundreds throughout Ireland!" More: "O'Brien cites the Dagoba's of Sir Lanka often lofty buildings in which Buddhist relics have been deposited. The towers are also symbols of fertility their phallic nature obvious to the eye. Concerning these phallic symbols, O'Brien remarks: Such was the origin and design of the most ancient Indian pagodas And that such, also was the use and origin of the Irish pagodas is manifest from the name by which they are critically and accurately designated, via, Budh, which in the Irish language, signifies not only the Sun, as the source of generative vegetation, but also the male organ of procreative generativeness. Clo. Vallancey states that Krisna also means sun in ancient Irish. "O'Brien provides an image of a round tower with a crucified man above the door, between two standing human figures and below them two bizarre animals lying down. Concerning this image, O'Brien relates that Christian authorities naturally want to make of it a Christian crucifix. However, our Irish writer disagrees, first commenting on the strange animals and linking them with the elephant and bull on a Buddhist temple in Sri Lanka." Tertullian, as late as 211 CE, wrote: "The Christians neither adored nor desired crosses, and criticized pagans for doing so and for putting a man on the cross, too. For pagans a cross was a sign of eternity.It was not until the 6th synod of Constantinople that it was decided that the symbol of Christianity, which was confirmed by Pope Adrain I, would be represented from that time on as a man crucified on the cross. In fact, the earliest instances of any artwork that illustrates Jesus on the cross can be traced back only to the eight or ninth century. Thus, the Christians adopted the crucifixion as a symbol from the pagans." Its also no mistake the ancient Europeans would dye their bodies with a sacred blue paint. Called "Wod." More on the Druids: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/239 On the European continent where the same God who is hung on the sacred tree and reborn again is worshipped. We had the major spiritual center of the Irminsul Pillar. Which holds the same meaning of the Tet Pillar of Ptah in Egypt. Or Mount Meru column. Of which the Round Towers are a symbol for as well. This is the meaning of the Buddhist Stupas in the East as well. Budha is depicted as the sacred tree in the East as well as the West. We have these same towers being called; "Fish Towers." As the Fish is the symbol of the perfected life force following up the spine and the rebirth. It's the Yoni symbol in which the reborn God is shown emerging from. We have the same round towers or Benben towers being built by the Egyptians as well. Also noted in Sri Lank Buddha is still called Wod or Woden to this day. As D.M. Murdock notes: "The word "Buddha" is related to the Egyptian term for the sky-god father-figure, "Ptah" and "Puttha," as well as to "Pytha," as in Pythagoras ("Buddha" + "guru"). " Churchward also stated: "Buddha is their representative of Ptah of the Egyptians." As mentioned the same themes are found in Egypt as in Ireland/Europe. And the East. Ptah and Osiris as mentioned before are the same God. Osiris name translates out: "The eye of the throne of God." This Throne is Isis's. Isis is linked to the star Sirius as is Ptah's staff. Hence Osiris is the union of the this power and its full activation. The Throne is the illuminated or perfected consciousness. And Isis rules the Sophia or Shakti aspect. Which what Ptah's staff contains in symbol. The two are the same God. Just as Wod/Buddha in Europe is symbolically depicted as being blue so is Ptah-Osiris as well. As I mentioned here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/418 The religion of Ptah-Osiris and the crucified and reborn Hari Krist[na] or Horus Krist. Are the same as Vishnu and Hari Krisna of India. And that Vishnu originally is a title of Surya. Hari is the symbolic title of our God. And the source of the term Aryan. The term Aryan in the ancient world was also spelled Ari or Hari we also have the Arya or Haraya [People of Hari]. This term is in Egypt as the term of the founding race. The H of Hari denotes the Serpent [Mercury-Budha]]. And the God Himself. Ptah-Osiris staff is the same as Woden's spear. "Another title for Surya is "Budha."-Suns of God Originally Buddha was a major title for the Agni/Surya the Vedic Sun God. And symbolic mythos goes back to this period. Tvashtar [ a title of Surya] is the father of Agni. Surya is titled the world modeller or skillful smith [Ptah]. As I have stated in another article Surya is known to be Ptah-Osiris of the Egyptians and Heru [proper title Hari]. Or the resurrected/perfected or reborn Ptah-Osiris. Agni in India. This is symbolic Osiris and Isis unification generates the reborn or perfected soul. Hari. As noted before Ptah-Osiris is identical to Agni/Surya. As this is the same Primordial Tradition. The Egyptians stated they came from the East and this is seen in their culture. We can see that Agni also represents the perfected Surya. We have an ancient inscription at Buddha Gaya that calls Buddha: "This deity Hari." Hari is one of the most ancient names of our God. This is why there are images of Surya at Buddha Gaya as well. Budha is another title of Surya. Who as stated is Ptah-Osiris [Hari ]in Egypt. This also gets into Helios. Which means the same as Hari. As stated before: "Horus bears the title proper of Hari Krist but in all reality going right back to the Sanskrit it would be Krisna. Krisna was in this region as the title for the sun god among other spelling. So we have Hari Krisna of Egypt. Further images of him in Egypt found in some regions show him to be identical in appearance to Krisna of India. In Egypt he is shown as the blue coloured child, holding his finger to his mouth and a clay pot in the other. Same as Krisna of India. The Greek version of him as Harpocrates from the Egyptian Har-Pa-Khered: "Horus The Child." Shows him sitting with the clay pot [like Krisna's butter pot] feather in his hair and all. Identical to the images of the God in India. This God also rests upon the serpent or lotus flower. Identical to Krisna of India once again The eagle and Falcon are interrelated as well. Just as the Peacock is the Phoenix in Egypt. The eagle plays prominently in the avatar tradition in India. As DM. Murdock points out in the earlier traditions of Krisna. He like Horus[Hari] of Egypt is crucified , in this case upon a tree by being pinned or pierced to it by arrows and later resurrected or ascends. Upon this the tree which is next to the river, regenerates and grows and rains lotus blossoms and gives off fragrances." She further states: "Like Krishna Buddha has been deemed an incarnation of Vishnu, an aspect of the God Sun. Among other symbols depicted in images of Bodhisattvas and Buddha's, as well as Vishnu. According to Pandey, "The girdle on the waist is a necessity when smartness and valour are ascribed to a deity." Which means additionally that Buddha is clearly portrayed as a God. The insight that Buddha, like his alter ego Vishnu and preceding avatar Krishna." This is why in India we have inscriptions to Buddha calling him an incarnation of Vishnu [Surya-Agni] and the savour of the world, the way of immorality. Its no mistake the statues of Buddha in the East are the same as statues of Surya in many areas. As mentioned Krishna/Hari the perfected Vishnu. This is why the tales of Krishna and Buddha are identical from the divine births to the same birthday. And on in their tales. Including Buddha like Krishna in the early texts being crucified on a tree. In the case of both Buddha and Krishna by being pierced by arrows. And then being resurrected later: The scholar Titcomb states: At the death of Buddha the earth trembled, the rocks were split and phantoms and spirits appeared. He descended into hell and preached to the spirits of the damned. When Buddha was buried, the coverings of the body unrolled themselves, the lid of his coffin was opened by supernatural powers and he ascended bodily to the celestial regions.". We have Buddha resurrecting and ascending boldly into heaven. This is the same as the traditional Sol God of the Primordial Tradition. We also have Buddha transfigured as bright as the sun. On the mountain top. As we see later this is important as it connects to Adi Buddha. Which shows us the same God from the original Tradition. Originally the concept of Nirvana is not extinction. But enlightenment and immortality: "Nirvana is identified with "the opening of the pure ways of heaven." Of the "gates of eternal life," and is actually called the sun and "the center of supernatural light." -Suns of God This is why there are 13 full steps to full enlightenment or Nirvana in Buddhism. The 13 steps of the Magnum Opus. Images in the East of Buddha's death show the Mount Meru column falling. This is the same theme in Egypt with the "blessed land." Of which sit the Tet Pillar of Ptah [Meru Column]in the center of. Of which atop the Phoenix [Peacock in the East] sit. After a great destruction the Tet pillar is reborn with the land into the pure state. The stories of Buddha's cremation in this light is also symbolic of the Phoenix of rebirth thought flame. This is why Buddha dies at 84. 8=4=12, with the hidden 13th step within. the 13 steps of the Magnum Opus. The Phoenix's other symbol is the Grail. Of which also features in Buddhism as well. We can also see in ancient India Buddha being depicted as a linga, tree, white horse and the Kalachakra. There are all symbols of the life force energy. The linga the same symbol as the Tet Column or Round Towers, Stupa's, etc. We will come back to the Kala Charka in a bit. Looking into the earliest Pali texts its still possible to see remnants of the original Tradition that where wrote over with enemy corruptions. We find mention of awakening the seven centers of consciousness and opening the eye of wisdom. Along with Buddha having obtained the literal "deathless state" and bearing all the marks of the perfected man, along with all the supernormal powers or Siddhi's. His victory over Mara [Mara is the god of death in older spellings[ under the tree being the symbolic of having gained immorality and illumination. Mara and his forces represent originally the titanic or dross element that has to be purified from the soul. And with this the morning star appears and the tree rains down lotus blossoms etc. The same as the tree Krishna was crucified upon. And we have Budha/Woden crucified in the European branch and originally in the Eastern branch. The references to the 5 wisdoms, the Jana's and such are taken from the purification of the elements of the soul. There are still some meditations upon the "four great elements" and their functions in the early texts. The principal of samsaric aspects being a corruption of the unperfected state. The nine realms of the Deva's an allegory for the Charka's, etc. Samsaric states also originally refers to the dissolution process of alchemy. We also find Buddha's performing miracles and such. His life in the mythos is identical to that of Hari of Egypt. And as mentioned Hari of India in many places. Originally the Aryans lived across Asia all the way to Northern China and the regions of the now Gobi desert. The pyramids found in Northern China are from this period. And the Chinese admit they are not part of their civilization. National Geographic and others have done large stories on the excavation of the silk road and general Far East. In which cities larger then Babylon at its height have been found. Along with perfected preserved bodies of White people dressed like they belong in ancient Ireland and the Scottish highlands. The female hair is braided in a specific fashion that only remains in the folk culture of Denmark. There are also over five thousand ancient Vedic temples in parts of China. Along with the fact China's name comes from a Sanskrit word for Lion. Ch'in is the Chinese spelling of the Sanskrit "Simha." The ancient Chinese records state about the rule of Aryan Emperors with blonde hair, green/blue eyes, etc. And the Mongols record a race of blue eyed, Aryans living in their region many of whom their ruling caste was descended from. Genghis Khan [Great Serpent] was described as having red hair and light eyes. Along with many upper caste Mongols of the period. The Mongoloid races where not in the area of Northern China and other Asian regions, till around several thousand years ago. Where the Aryans had already lived there for thousands of years before. The Tibetans also state they received their original culture of Bon. From a race of Aryans thousands of years ago. The anthropological studies conducted on the Tibetans by the Germans, found the upper class of Tibet where also of Aryan origin, mixed with Mongolian . In the far east they traditionally worshipped a Creator God named Fo/Po or Futi. Also spelled Buddha. And this brings us to BON PO. With BON PO we have the title for Buddha of PO. Bon was the religion across Asia and as we will see Europe as well. The findings from Bon in Nepal and Tibet such that before the Gautama or Ashoka period. BON images show the classical images of Buddha seen in Mahayana sects. As well as ancient BON texts mention their perfected masters have the title of Buddha. We also have images from Europe found of Yogi's in the full lotus position. Which identical spiritual symbolism upon them. BON was repressed and almost wiped out by the Ashoka corruption of Buddhism or bogus Buddhism. Bon temples and sacred sites and texts where destroyed along with many Bon's. This period is still called: "The dark times." By the people in the regions of Nepal who are Bon's. We also have records of Ashoka putting up to eighteen and more thousand people to death as part of the repression of this Imperial Ideology of his. We are seeing with Mahayana. Ashoka Buddhism which is a inversion of the original, grafted over the original Buddhism in these regions openly. In the regions of Nepal we still have the Bon Stupa's painted in the same way. The traditional or Ashoka Buddhist ones are. So we can see this is a copy of the original Buddhist style. In the region coming from the BON tradition. Are Chortens. Which are Stupa's which are based on the classical temple building of the East and the West. The base represents the circle within the square and the Mount Meru axis with 13 steps or representing the 13 steps of enlightenment. Mentioning the hidden 13th within the 12. And 1+3=4. The perfected elements coming from the 5th of ether within. The Vishnu [Surya] yantra is designed upon the 64 square grid of the Mer-cury square. Enclosed within a circle with symbols for the cardinal points. We see Buddha originally being a title for Surya[Vishnu]. The circle and square represent the unification of the male and female aspect of the soul into Godhead. This style is the bases of many ancient statues of the Sol God in the East. The God as the Linga standing upon the square base. Representing what is encoded in the Sol Gods yantra. The same symbolism is found on the Medicine Buddha's yantra as well. The heart of the BON PO system was a system called the: "Great Perfection." And was based on creating: "The Immortal Rainbow Body." The center of this being the Kalachakra Tanta. In India we have Buddha depicted as the God Kalachakra as well. This is the core of the original Buddhist tradition from East to West here. The God Kalachakra rules over this process. The Kalachakra is based upon the unification of the male and female parts of the soul . Even openly describing the meditations for the production of the male and female elixirs . Along with the purification of the elements or great lights of the soul. As part of this upon the Kalachakra mandala we have the image of the Black sun. Of which Adi Buddha the perfected human comes forth from. Within the Kalachakra we have the same themes found in the Eddas. The Western branch. Budha in India was depicted as the Kalachakra Lingam. Which is the sacred phallus of which is seen in the shape of the rune stones. This is also as mentioned before what the tree represents. The illuminated soul. Wodan is also shown in direct imagery with the sacred phallus upon the horse. The symbol of the perfection and rebirth of the soul. The final product being the creation of the Adi Buddha. Adi means "Lord of the Mount." And is identical in meaning to Dionysus" "Lord of the Mount Nysa." The Mount Meru Axis. Which we see Ptah [spelling of Buddha] in Egypt with the Tet pillar and Woden[Buddha] in Europe with the Round towers. And Adi Buddha in the East. In the origin Tradition of BON. We have The Lord of Time [Kalachakra] another title for Primordial Buddha. Our God. Another title for Dionysus was Hu another spelling of Woden. Dionysus also carries the grail. And is the eternally young, crucified and reborn youth. Who's sacred animal is also the Peacock. Ichthys, or the Fish, was one of the names of Dionysus and the divine phallus was also shown in the shape of fish. The phallus is the spinal column with the kundalini full risen. EA [Oannes] is also shown as a Fish cloaked God in the ME and Lord of the Water for the same reason. The life force. Lord of Time or Kalachakra: In Sanskirt SAT means Truth. Truth in the ancient world was another name for illumination and transformation of the soul. When the kundalini power rises it brings a person to SAT by illumination of the consciousness it brings which is what they where depicting by the title of Truth...... This is why the strength of the soul is its ability to reach levels of truth in the Egyptian texts. Levels of empowerment. An as the prefix of Ananta Shesha which is the primordial serpent. Depicted as a serpent in a golden circle clutching its tail. The sign of the Magnum Opus. This golden serpent Is given the title of "Eternity" [Ananta]. And refers to the title of "Lord of Time." As time in this sense relates to the perfection of the soul. Sat also meaning: Shining. And , An: Serpent. Hence Satan translates out to: Shining Serpent. This is why Woden [ Budha] has a golden ring that replicates itself. This is also why Woden has the sacred mead drunk from the horn [grail symbol]. One of these sacred horns found in Europe show it made of gold with alchemical symbolism all over it. Remember Woden also rides a White Horse another symbol of Budha. He rides it thought the different worlds in the eight different directions. This is the circulation of the life force through the soul. As Gardiner points out. Wodan was the name of the Kundalini in North, Western Europe. And his spear represents the spinal or Meru column which the serpentine energy is channeled thought. It's a Caduceus symbol. The An sound on the end of Wod-an denotes the serpent. And the perfected life force. Hence the spelling of Wod the mercury plus An of the serpent. Same with Sat-An. Wodan's symbol of the valknut is the trine symbol of the soul. Wodan is called the unfastener of knots or bindings. This refers to the opening of the three granthis or knots of the soul. This is the one God in three parts. Which is represented by the AUM formula. Wodan being the Kundalini power among the Teutonic branch of Europe. This is always represented as the three in One. V,P and B's are interchangeable. Val, has the V that denotes the mercury or Serpentine life force. The W on Wodan is properly pounced as a soft V. The Valk-yries are also the Shakti aspect of the soul. The nine Daughters of Wodan. All of this relates to the soul and its structure and purification. The warrior must die pierced by a blade[sword mainly] in battle to go to Val-halla, Its an allegory for the chaos stage and the ascent of the kundalini and its piercings aspect. In the ancient world the sword, spear and dagger where also symbols of the serpent power. The Valkyrie takes him over the rainbow bridge [up the spine of the charka system] to Valhalla we are looking at the shaki rising up the spine to the crown chakra. The Veda's hold the same images of the Rainbow and so did the Hellenic schools. The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow comes from such schools. Its an allegory that lived on in folktales. The horn of Wodan's sacred Mead as a grail symbol comes from the sacred Bull: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/448 The Bull was so sacred to the ancient Aryans from Europe to India. The word God comes from the ancient word for Bull. Go, and the Bull and Goat where used interchangeable Hence the German Got. The totems of the God Satan. The G is also a serpentine symbol in sacred lettering. And the O the union of the masculine and feminine. This is all of Satan. In the East we have the Bull of Dharma for this reason. The four legs represent the four elements and the horns the symbol mercury. The Bull was used as the symbol of the Sun [spiritual sun] for this reason. And the ancient texts stated: The Bull is the serpent and the serpent is the Bull. It's a serpentine symbol . Wodan also has the Golden Helm which represents the Halo or Gold in the Work. The Gods in the East are shown wearing an identical helm. Which represents the capstone in the work. The conical stone on the top of the Meru Column the completion of the great work. Also seen in the Wizard hats. Wodan is the All Father as this represents the ether element that the elements and property of the soul manifests from. And the All is when all the charka's are made into one via the Magnum Opus which prefects this principal. Hence Zeus being Zan meaning the All. This is what Narayana represents. Narayana wears the sacred Golden Helm. Wodan's main rune is the OSS rune. Which is the ether element. Or Mercury. For this reason. And Wednesday is named after the day of Wodan. The day of Mercury which is the holy day of Buddhists in the East. Many of the rune stones are phallic shaped for this reason. As the phallus, fish and Meru Axis all meaning the same. In the East We have Buddha also carrying a sacred Grail in the image of bowl and sometimes a mixing bowl made of lapis lazuli which as Philip Gardner states is an ancient Grail symbol. The Lapis lazuli or blue stones are the grail symbol in Sumeria and also depicted in the Dionysus branch as a cluster of grapes. We have tales of Alexander the Great climbing the sacred tree and meeting the Green Man who them gives him a cluster of grapes which lead to immorality, etc. The Lazu-il denotes illu or the illuminated. And we have Ra or the Ra's bow [Rainbow] Ra's bow is Ra's celestial ship he journeys through the 12 stages of the Magnum Opus upon. The Egyptians called the Great Work. Creating the body of Ra. Or Rainbow body. Within this we have the holy: "G-ra-il." The G in the ancient script denotes the serpent. In Egypt we have Ptah, Amun, Ra. Being the original three in one trinity. With the Ra-m, being the symbol of Agni. And EA as scholars note PTAH in Sumeria has a staff with the rams head at the top of it. We have the fact the hero travels over the Rainbow bridge to enter Valhalla and sit with Woden [ Budha]. And thus obtain immorality and perfection. The Blue color is the symbol of the Great Perfection. It symbols the purified soul. Of which the purified Mercury relates to. As we see with Ptah-Osiris, Woden and Votan in the American's. In the East Buddha was depicted as the sacred Tree which is of Wodan in the West. From this we also have the famed Medicine Buddha who is depicted as blue and holding a pot full of a healing substance from the Myrobalm, a tree used in Ayurveda healing arts. In the Primordial Tradition. The Healing God is the symbol of the Magnum Opus we can see this in the West. Especially with Asclepius the serpent God. And with all the tales of the Serpent. The body is considered a medicine bowl [grail] in the East capable of generating the needed elixirs or medicines which heal the body fully. But the medicine has to be taken daily. Meaning a daily spiritual practice, that transforms the soul to the perfected state. It's the same in the West. Old age, sickness, death and such issues where all known as sicknesses . That could only be cured as they stated by the Great Working. To be healed literally meant to be made whole. The popular term for this in ancient Greek was SOZO. Meaning Saved or salvation by being made whole [Holy]. This is why you had orders calling themselves the Spiritual Physicians. And this why Ayurveda texts at the heart where based on achieving the Perfected and immorality state. The Grail legends primal source is Sanat Kumara [ Sanat is an anagram of Satan] who rules the kingdom of Shambhala which depicted in the shape of a city in the shape of the eight pointed star. Identical to the Grail castle in the West. Who's king is shown with the image of the Peacock. And legend is a repeat of the Ptah-Osiris, Hari [Horus]. Symbolic mythos. Kalachakra [Sanat] is the ruler of Shambhala. Just Woden is ruler of Valhalla in the Western branch. It's the same God with the same meaning. The banner of Shambhala is a peacock feathered one. As we see this God rules the Grail. And the title of the perfected adept is Adi Buddha [also Wod, Woden, Budha],etc. Its no mistake the Buddha Amitibha [who is connected to Bon/Kalachakra]in Tibet is depicted as a forever young boy. Surrounded by Peacock imagery. Is Sanat Kumara. In the Eastern texts Siva is stated to represent Mercury [Budha] as well. The letter H denotes and represents Siva in the eastern texts. And the serpent. And how this relates to the Mercury or serpentine light [life] force. Hence why Siva main bija mantra that represents him is HA-UM. Bud-HA. The famous Siva mantra that translates to: I am Siva. Sivoham. Has the Haum properly spelled. Siva is the serpentine life force. And what the O represents. In the Vedic world the Trinity was Agni, Surya, Indra. And within this Surya is the perfected or White stage. Within The Veda we have Siva as a title applied for these Gods. Hence Siva originally is another title for the One in three. Si represents fire [male] and Va water [female] hence the polarity in union. And the symbol of the lingam and Yoni. And the six pointed star of Visnu [Surya] also used for Siva, which represents the union of the polarity of the soul into the perfected state. As stated in the: Supreme God. Article, the Jews simply stole this symbol much later on. As I wrote before Surya is Ptah-Osiris in Egypt. The sacred Bull , Phallus, world column and Serpent, Trident [staff] are symbols of the same God in Egypt as is still of Siva today. Surya is also depicted in the Vedic tradition as being four armed and blue, Lord Narayana. Which Siva is traditionally depicted as well. As I stated before Visnu originally is a title for Surya in the ancient world. Hence his depiction in the same. Because it's the same God. This is why Osiris and Vishnu-Siva have the six pointed star as their symbol. As the scholar and Sivaite, Danielou points out during the period of the Indus Valley civilization. Siva was the holder of the title Lord Brahma. And originally as Lord of the Animals the avatar of the Boar and Matsya or Fish avatar, Lion avatar, etc. Belongs to Siva. As does Krisna, etc. This is because at the core this is simply Surya. Of which Budha is another title. Another title of Siva is Kalachakra. And the Kalachakra Lingam is the sacred Phallus which denotes the mercury life force. Siva's trident is the same as Wodan's spear. In his image in the West. Siva and Budha are the same. This is why as noted: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/426 Mount Kailash the sacred mount of Siva [also to Bon] and Vajra Buddhism. From a UN report shows strong evidence of being man made on some level. And could be a vast human built pyramid. That was the central focus of a larger world wide system of such sites. Its noted to be a center of a region of a hundred smaller pyramids in total. And the Bon's mention it as being the nine-story Swastika Mountain and the seat of all spiritual power. It's the same God hence the same sacred site. Danielou points out in his works that Vajra Buddhism [glossed over Bon]. At the core is actually the worship of Siva and the transformation process. Before being glossed over by the Gotama corruption. Which seeks to basically Christianized the original religion. The great scholar and researcher Otto Rahn proved that the Cathar's where the Western branch of Bon. Both had the same Grail legends of the Mani Jewel. And both bear the same title. The Cathar's called themselves the Bon's. And have the fact Bon means Good. Which in the ancient world is term meaning: "Shining or Shining Ones." Baron Evola also points out the Cathar's connection to Eastern Buddhism. The Aryans in the A-mer-ca's or Amaru in Sanskrit . The mainstream tale of Amerigo Vespucci, turned out to be a fraud upon investigation. Also worshipped Votan [Wotan/Woden/Budha]. And had the same symbols and culture the Cathar's of Europe did. The evidence shows the Aryan civilizations in the America's [even by the Amerindian records] predate the Amerindians by thousands of years: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/181 Votan is also called the: "Morning Star." The Cathar's are the major source of all Western Grail legends and chivalry . And hence why their tradition has a knight joining with his Lady and thus being giving a golden ring. The symbol of the Grail. It represents the union of the male and female aspects of the soul. And the golden ring the symbol of Eternal life. The same ring Woden rules. Rahn and others mention the Cathar ideal of love as Amour not the "love" being pushed by the Vatican program of Jewish-Christianity. Rahn mentions this term Amour is equal to the concept of the Magnum Opus. Our concept of love and spirituality in the current world comes from the program of Christianity. The enemy pushes sentimentalism as spirituality. This Amour term connects back to MR which in Egypt is means bright or shining. The sacred tower [ seen across the world and related to Buddhaya] was also called MER. And the original name for the Pyramid is MER. Meaning the place of ascension. This connects back into Meru. And Isis as Isis Meri or Meru. The Cathars worshiped Mary. Mary was another spelling of Meri [Isis-Meru]. Christianity stole this later on. The Cathars where Germanics and directly connected to the Pagan, Mero-vingians. This is where much of our Grail lore comes from. Amour=Mero=shining/brightness, and in French still means love. MR or Mer, Mer-cury means: "Eternal." In the sense of perfected. The Cathar title of Amour or MR translates to Buddhaya. The title of Bodhisattva predates the current Mahayana and its altered meaning. It means " the essence of enlightenment or wisdom." Wisdom being Sophia the super conscious state, from the risen serpent. This is why the Bodhisattva is depicted with a flame upon their head or halo. They have been baptized in wisdom or the serpentine life force and reborn from this sacred baptism. Hence the meaning of Gnosis as from Oannes / OANA. Which brings us to Jana's. An representing the serpentine energy. And its perfection of the being. The four J-an-a's are taken from the purification of the four elements of the soul via the serpentine life force. Jana Pandita is another title of God in the east. From Jana we get O-AN-a, O-AN-nes and the word Gnosis. All titles which are of our God Sat-AN. Ichthys, or the Fish, was one of the names of Dionysus and the divine phallus was also shown in the shape of fish. The phallus is the spinal column with the kundalini full risen. EA [Oannes] is also shown as a Fish cloaked God in the ME and Lord of the Water for the same reason. The life force. This is why in the Western Pagan tradition after being baptised the individual was given a lit candle and called the illuminated As Evola states: "It has been noted the Grail.resembles in a specific way the frontal stone (urna)..That especially in Buddhism often represents the place of the third eye.. This is an eye that is endowed with both a transcendent or "cyclical vision (know in Buddhism as Bodhi, or SPIRITUAL ENLIGHENMENT)." This stone that represents the enlightened or Bodhi state is an emerald stone. And is called the Mani Jewel. This emerald stone is another symbol of the grail in Traditions in both east and west. As stated both the Bon's or Cathars of the West and East held this sacred. And it is ruled by Budha. Emerald in the East is the stone that rules the planet Mercury. This brings us full circle to understanding what does Budha mean as a title. The Budha is enlightened upon the Bo tree. Among the ruins of An-arajapura. Its mentioned in the book Ophiolatreia by H.Jennings. Of nine templesgroups of pillars. That consist of an enclosure, in which there are sacred trees called Bo-gaha. So we see the sacred pillar's like the Irminsul or Tet, Meru, column. Along with the sacred trees common to the worship of Woden in Europe. The hill of Tara alone had three hundred oaks planted around it. And the Germanic s had a habit of wrapping a golden serpent image around trees and making them sacred spots. Woden[Buddha] being crucified [fixing the power] upon a tree. Which represents the spinal [meru] column with the branches being the 144,000 nadis. As stated before in the East Budha is depicted as the sacred Tree. Or world Tree. Buddha is pronounced [seen with Fo or Po] and in many cases spelled with an O sound. Which denotes the serpent. Such as SO-phia, Opis, Orpheus. The P, V,B sound are interchangeable. In the texts the O denotes the Mercury and is the symbol of the union of A and U that create the M. The third power. The M is the symbol of the reborn soul. The O which the symbol for the Gold in the work comes from. Is popularly denoted by the Ouroboros. Mer-cury is a horned glyph representing the perfection of this power. The horned serpent or halo is humanized in the Sol God. Hung upon a tree and reborn via the perfection of this life energy. Gardner states in his book: "Secrets of the Serpent." "Dionysius who is equated to the other horned GodsIs the same Dionysius I found elsewhere to hold the chalice or elixir." The title of this sacred cup of Budha/Dionysus was the Agathodaemon or "Good Serpent." And Good translates to Shining. The Cathar's worshipped Lucibel which is another spelling of Hu which is another spelling of Woden/Budha. And the Cathar's called their God Agathodaemon meaning "The Good Serpent." An ancient title of our God. And Woden [Budha] was the title of the Kundalini or serpentine energy . Budha means the: Shining Serpent. Hence Budha is the literal term for the kundalini energy. So the Cathar's or Bons. Worshipped Budha/Woden. And they where the last known Primordial [original] Culture of Race in Europe. As part of this the Cathar's understand the sacredness of racial purity and the godly essence of the Aryan blood and their descent from the Gods. This is why Buddhism in the East has been stated to be over 15,000 years old. Its mentioned the original or Primordial Budhism. Satan is the original and only Budha. This wisdom lived on in the Dharmic texts in the East: "It is imperative to respect the lineage of one's ancestors and avoid the mixing of races through procreation. This alters the divine order and provokes regression of the species. Marriage rites or procreation must be accomplished of the responsibility of the transmission of life, having solely in mind the quality of the product of the child. According to the rules of genetic selection defined by the texts of the Agamas." -Advice to a Mleccha [one born outside of Bharat] by Sadhu Shambhudasa The Agamas are from the Vedic [Aryan] religion. Notes on Buddhism The original God that Gautama is a stolen and corrupted version of is Surya who is Visnu. This is evidenced [of the primordial Buddhism article] and in the fact the famous Buddhist statues are images of Visnu and how he was traditionally shown. And the further fact the Mahayana sects all emerged from the major Vaishnava temple centers in India. This is because this was the traditional religion still at some point in the past. The Mahayana or Tantric Buddhism came up from the Pala Kingdom of northern India. So I don't believe the Theravada sects claims theirs is the original either. As they are nothing but a atheistic, soul denying, humanist cult. In the earliest Pali texts Siddhartha states that Buddhism is purifying the Chita. Chita and Atman used interchangeably as they are the same. Which is the soul. Buddha and Brahman are also interchangeable terms. The fact Siddhartha affirms the existence of the self/soul and its purification as the heart of Buddhism. Defeats the central doctrine of which all Theravada is built upon which is no soul/self. Theravada is a horrible, Christianised corruption of the original Solar Tradition. The technical language in the Pali is from the Upanishads. And one can note such texts are full of instructions on activating and rising the kundalini. And open declarations this is the task's monastics are engaged in. The evidence all shows at the core the system of Buddhism was the Magnum Opus. The tales of Buddha's crucifixion and resurrection from the tomb and bodily ascension to Nirvana state it all. This is the traditional symbol of the soul rising from the Saturn sphere of time, karma or samsara and to the solar sphere of luminous immortality. Depicted as the sun of which Nirvana is depicted as. At some point this was altered to the poison bowl of Kunda. But not by much. The poison is the final dissolution of the gross material aspect, poison is corrosive it burns and breaks down. This is why traditionally snakes venom was used to depict this. Kunda the metal smith is Kundalini or serpentine energies in his destructive aspect the power of time. Kundry in the surviving Western branch of this tradition is the European version of Kali. Who causes the final transmutation of the soul to perfection. This is the black stage. Kunda is also the title for the kunda-lini energy in India and is depicted as a Goddess dwelling a cave. From here Buddha obtains the highest Jhana and enters into Nirvana. Which is a toned down rebirth into the white or final stage. Its life number is 84 and this adds into 12 and himself is the 13th step of the Magnum Opus. Tathagata a common used title of Buddha does not mean "One who has come." It means "Become Brahman." The Upanishads and many other Vedic texts state over and over again one becomes Brahman when the serpent is risen. Buddha's tale under the Bodhi tree which is the mystic tree at the navel of the earth is obvious to this allegory. Bodhi is the same element of that Buddha is relating towards and thus Brahman. So we have the spinal column and the risen serpent. Its very obvious when the morning star appears at this moments as its the age old symbol of kundalini rising. Buddha never stated anything about a middle path. He called it the lighting path. Which is this power again. Nagarjuna who is considered to be the creator of Mahayana stated that everything is nothingness and the Mahayana Buddhist's strive to become empty thus achieving Buddhahood. Its obvious this emptiness is the Akasha or ether. And obtaining emptiness is purifying the soul into the primal element of the subtle ether which is the Magnum Opus. This is mentioned to create the Diamond thunder bolt or rainbow body. Which Tantric Buddhism states is done by Kundalni energy. Laya Yoga is equal to Nirvana in its meaning. LA=earth element the body, YA=ether element. The purification process. Which bring union of the trine being into the ascended form. This is what came up from the Maha Siddha's of the Pala Kingdom. The arrows all point to originally Buddha was the reborn Visnu [Surya] who was called Buddha, Krisna, Agni, Hari,, And Brahma towards the Hindu period and Siva in the South. which was the religion of over 15,000 years. And was Regraphed at some point by taking over the cultural language and putting new meanings behind it. Which corrupted into the mess of today. The point the Theravada's believe the opposite as their core truth of what this Siddhartha character actual stated as the core truth of Buddhism. That's an extreme level of corruption. And had to be deliberate. This Siddhartha is paraded as the reborn God, born from immaculate conception and emerges from his mothers left side, and dies and is reborn, who has incarnated to purify the Veda's of all the corruptions thus the gate way to assign new meanings. Which removes all spiritual knowledge looking at what Theravada amounts to, then replaces it with Communism with spiritual pretense. Sources: The Mystery of The Grail J.Evola The Serpent The Eagle The Lion and The Disk. B.Parker The Shining Ones. P. Gardiner and G.Osborn Guardians of the Holy Grail, Pinkham Mark. Suns of God. D.M Murdock Starwalkers. W.Henry Gnosis, Philip Gardiner Secrets of the Serpent, Philip Gardiner The Doctrine of the Awaking. J.Evola Lucifer's Court, Otto Rahn Guardians Of The Holy Grail, M.Pinkham While The Gods Play. Danielou Source:https://josministries.prophpbb.com/post40723.html#p40723 Most of the chakra opening stuff has worked for me, so I know it's not fake

It's impossible to know we "experienced" nothingness. We really have no idea what we experienced before we were born - it's completely pointless to try comprehend because we never will. The video below is worth watching but also take it with a pinch of salt because it is just a viewpoint. However, I find it to be pretty accurate.

Zen the only living religion because it is not a religion, but only a religiousness. It has no dogma, it does not depend on any founder. It has no past; in fact it has nothing to teach you. It is the strangest thing that has happened in the whole history of mankind—strangest because it enjoys in emptiness, it blossoms in nothingness. Zen is pure meditation. The very word `Zen' means meditation. It has nothing else, it requires no rituals. Just as you are, the only requirement is to go in and discover your eternal self. Zen does not require any faith. It requires of you only an intense inquiry into yourself, a deepening of consciousness, not concentration—a settling, a relaxing of consciousness.

@Leo Gura Leo, it all started because you mentioned seeing "a few hairs of the ox" in one of your enlightenment clips when you were at a retreat. Of course, I had to look it up to see what that meant. I found Shinzen Young's clips and he described footprints to ox's tail to Riding the Ox Backwards. When I found out about Riding the Ox Backwards, it reminded me of a "dream" I had when I was 1 yr old. Basically, to make the story short, I was the no-self ( nothingness ). Then, I became a sphere with stars all around me in blackness. Then, it was space. Then, I went through a black hole facing backwards into my 1 yr old body. I was this massive, massive light going into my body. I felt the divine love - extreme bliss - after I awoke. Long story though... I always wondered why I was facing backwards and not forwards. Then, I thought, we are only embodied throughout life, either in a human body or a soul or whatever. What we actually are is nothing/everything = the peace consciousness. That's why I realized that our ego (emotions) are all fiction. I lost a brother when he was 18 - died of brain cancer. I saw him again in a "dream" a few days later. I thought he came back to life. I talked to him and said that I was going to see him again. Of course, there are a lot more details in all of these. But, the thing I noticed in these two experiences is that I was also the observing self. When I was the sphere in space, I was observing myself as the no-self ( not embodied in anything ) at a different angle. I was the observing self when witnessing the massive, massive light going into my body. And, I was also the observing self when talking to my Bro. I witnessed myself talking to him. There were a lot of ah-ha moments (and little experiences) after seeing all your enlightenment clips. Thanks for being very articulate and clear in your clips, Leo. I find that these experiences also interconnect with my life purpose. (Karma) Note: Before, I thought the sky is the limit when working on my startup. Now, it's a life purpose toward world peace due to your world peace clip, enlightenment clips, etc. Those are the best ones! Best of luck in your enlightenment journey, esp when it comes to taking substances. And, I'm not here to judge, but please stay safe.

I started consciousness work a few months ago as an emotionally wounded newbie, and I would still categorize myself as such. Though, thanks to some innate characteristics like my radical openmindedness and strong curiosity, I have been able to benefit from advanced personal development despite being a very low cconsciousness person. I initially thought I had my first no self experience several months ago when first starting but can realize that it was just delusion. This time was a totally different feeling. I was engaging in a self-inquiry session, and after about 50 minutes I felt a totally new sensation. The body felt like a mere object, a part of this endless nothingness. I can't aptly describe what happened since it only lasted three seconds or so, but I don't recall having experienced anything like that before. I should add that my conciousness and self actualization work has started to pay off. I had crippling anxiety, depression, fear, victim mentality, narcissism , entitlement, feelings of inferiority and superiority, over thinking, and many other severe neuroses. I had lost all my friendships, had to take time off from school, and was on the verge of suicide. After taking lots of action and serious study of multiple sources, I can actually say that I am decently happy most of the time. That aside, my experience of whatever that was was pure terror for the few seconds it lasted. Though it wasn't an ordinary terror such as a fear of some danger, rather a complete overwhelming awe of something that I just couldn't even grasp or adequately put to words. Since my experience was so brief, I don't know if this is at all a valuable insight or if my imagination was playing tricks on me. But something was different and I wanted to take note of it. Eager to hear your thoughts.

I have recently been contemplating the ideas about science that I am learning now that I am a high school student and I am 17 by the way and I know a bit about enlightenment. I have tried to grasp the fact that science might be deeply flawed because of a general groundlessness in its assumptions. Here is what I mean: When we do science, we use formulas (a combination of numbers and letters) to describe the objective nothingness that reality is. We also use language and create these models thinking they are real. And I have started to notice that all of these descriptions and formulas - they are ILLUSIONS and the stort they tell is FALSE. It has nothing to do with reality and is a distraction from the truth that science is. When you look at things that are related to science, all there is is what is. There is no H2O, there is no molecule, there is no magnet. All there is is direct experience without any meaning, story whatever. It is just complete fiction. It is kind of funny that there is this distinction between genres that are fiction and non-fiction. Fuck that, it is all fiction - every story, belief, model. Calling a story non fiction is very self deceptive and a lie that the self uses to create reality to its own preference. When I write 2, notice that thing is not two. Two is a fucking story - an illusion. The same goes with all other models. What do you think of science in general. Do you agree/disagree with me on this? What is your idea?

I meditate last night for one hour, and for the last 10 minutes I felt the stillness and calmness so I started to introspect where am I up to this moment. If the ME is the Nothingness so I 'm this blackness that I see, but no the blackness is just the phenomena. But after a minute it just pop up in my mind, like a little insight : a very clear glass field that surrounds the blackness that I see. The more I focused on this clear glass it just run away so I doubt it just pigment of my imagination. But my awareness tells me that you can only be aware of your true self, this crystal clear of awareness.

Another aspect of the common discussions here, that physics explains now, is the idea of emptiness. There may be some importance in incorporating empty space into our vision of reality. We are conditioned to focus on labeling what is there, not to think in terms of what is not there, and all of this has an effect on our consciousness. Now science says there is way more empty space between subatomic particles than particles ,if I remember correctly they compared it to the distances between objects in the solar system. So we are literally more empty space than stuff in their opinion. Then there is darkmatter and antimatter. Everyone knows that the sun has a huge effect on our lives, it heats the planet, keeps us in a stable orbit, is the energy used by plants etc. Now if we look at black holes, they are massive they suck up galexies full of suns whole, but we never think of how this nothingness effects us or is a huge part of what we are. If we shift our focus the the empty part of reality we see it differently, and feel it differently, maybe more relaxed. I bet there are lots of master musicians who could tell you every note in every song written by mozart. But none who could tell you what all the spaces between the notes are. We dont study the imperceptible but if we want to experience true reality as it is maybe we need to experience this balance too.

Does anyone else find the language in Joseph Campbell's famous book to be really pretentious? Each page filled with annoying academic language? To me some parts of the book almost read like that episode of friends where Joey translates something he wrote using a thesaurus to make it sound smarter Most of you will probably tell me to check my ego and give the book another try but to me his ego seems ginormous throughout.. Especially when he gets to talking about nothingness and God. It feels like he drifts into academic language to escape the fact that he doesn't truly know what he is talking about.. Anyone agree? Or is this all my pathetic ego...

The thoughts appear from the causal body, which is sometimes called "the unmanifest". Some non dual religions say that the causal body is also the "deep sleep state". Western psychology terms it the "subconscious mind". But it's just a model, no need to get attached to the model, it's just to show us how to navigate samsara. Every time you complete an action you condition the causal body and you to repeat that action again. Thoughts, feelings and behaviours come from the causal body and are "dumped" into you without your say so. In this respect you have no free will because the causal body is much subtler than you and you are unable to directly manipulate it. You can manipulate a football because its a gross object, but you can't manipulate the causal body. There are two types of causal body, and they merge into one another. One is the personal causal body, and the other is the macrocosmic causal body. When Carl Jung speaks of the collective unconscious hes speaking of the macrocosmic causal body. So this is the special nothingness where the thoughts come from. You cannot control the collective shadow, but you can control your part of it. I'll show you how here Follow this method of burning in new habitual thoughts into your part of the causal body and you will be fine. You cannot get enlightened without doing this kind of work anyway. Hope this clears is up.

So if its zero sum and in the end there will be a black cube and a white cube merge into nothingness, that means you can now choose which side you want to be on. They are both right. Both black and white is right. Everyone chooses, or do they. Dive deep or swim shallow, its all good. Its all bout having fun right???

For sure mate. I love the concept of acceptance. But i can be accepting and still crying for help at the same time, because that is just the divine will (no free will and free will at the same time as both the ego and the god). From my point of view you're talking about infinity, which could be both positive and negative. For example lets label negative infinity 'The Devil ? '. And positive infinity we can call love ? Love and devil, good and bad etc put together /all possibilities/ make up Everything. And yet there is no good or bad at the same time - the other side of this coin, which says... Nothing. 0. Zero is infinite truth. Nothingness is the only thing that can never not exist and yet doesnt exist. Its the reason there is never an end. The reason for infinity is nothing. The reason for infinity is the text i did not write. And since 0 is infinite itself and you are 0 compared to infinity, the only conclusion is that you are that nothingness that is pretending to be a human so you can grow and flower up to the best version you can. Or you know, dont be the best version you can, but i would follow the live infinity, because it seems preetty pleasant. If you are nothing you are already god, you cannot fall. Even if you dont feel like it, just like me. By being nothing you are allowing for everything to exist, including the self. Marvellous peace of work you masterful beasts of nothing. High five. Now we tripping and think we are something.. Shitting our pants sometimes.. Well, infinity generates. It has to, otherwise wouldnt be infinite. Allow because you're nothing hahah I love writing about this topic. Ps: Currently reading the book Fermats last theorem and it has a lot of gems imo about nothingness and in general about truth seeking. Alot of stuff that are garbage ego info too, but come on. I should stop writing cause nobody will ready this. Hhehehehe i said nobody! If you read it congratulations, you graduated to nobody.

@RossE Firstly, it takes time and consistency. Doing neti-neti once a week, it will take you 50 years. Try doing 100 hours of neti-neti straight in a row. That's more like what you need to break through. And even then, that's just newbie work. Secondly, you're never going to find yourself. Even after 50 years of neti-neti. All you'll realize is that you ARE the thing you're failing to find: namely, NOTHING! There's nothing to find cause you don't exist. That's what's to be found! You have no attributes. You cannot be seen, hear, smelled, tasted, felt, or thought. What you are is the absence of all attributes. AKA, infinite nothingness, AKA God. It's right there! Look! There is nothing to find.

Well, I would say that acting out of ego is the hell that Christians refer to. When you live an egoic life, there is suffering - hell on Earth. However, heaven is what occurs when you become the infinite field of nothingness that you metaphysically are. And that happens when ego death occurs. And Leo said that the substance he used creates this ego death in his recent video.

Paradox In language, there is lots of paradox. You are everything; you are nothing. You are emptiness; you are form. You are the witness but also the witnessed. Experience is fleeting; the Truth is everlasting. It's so confusing sometimes to stay in the muck and mire of words, isn't it? And yet, there you go, continuing to read someone's journal post for hope that some more words will be the key that allows you to discover your true nature. Only thought-stories/language contain paradox. In direct experience, there are no paradoxes. See if you can drop all of your conceptual baggage for a sec. All of it. Being and not-being, everything and nothing, Infinity, Absolute Nothingness, the Self and not-Self, the witness, kundalini and samadhi, arisings in experience, inside and outside worlds, awareness as the container, whatever the fuck spiritual malarkey you hold onto. Forget it for just this second and return to the no-paradox simplicity of direct experience. You already know that you are. And that knowingness IS all of experience. There's no difference. Knowingness = experience experiencing itself. Even thought is this knowing quality. When has this knowing ever left you? Can you ever experience anything outside of this knowing? Or is that question/thought just a part of this knowing? Now, what were you looking for again...?

I had an enlightenment experience about 4 months ago. Although I'm calling it an enlightenment experience I don't really know what it was. A few times after that I had the same experience. But here I'm going to talk about the first time. I had it listening to Leo's guided self inquiry. And only once I had it when I was doing self inquiry by myself. The first time I had it I was scared. My hands were shaking. It felt like nothingness or maybe everythingness. It was strange. At the same time I felt pure joy. I wanted to stay in that state forever it was so pleasant. After being in that state for some time it was gone. It lasted 20 to 30 minutes. I went outside and I was looking at the world as though I saw it for the first time. It was new and bright. I felt a lot of energy in the body. I was grateful for being alive. I wanted to share this joy with others, wanted them to feel the same way. It was enough just to be. I really saw that there's something more to life than we normally would think. I can't force myself to have this again. The more force I'm using the farther away I'm from the actual experience. I know that but it's still hard to let go of desire. A lot of times I was close to having that but desire did the work to prevent that. What did I have there? I'm not sure if I want to know what it was. Because you kind of can't name it or explain it with words. Maybe someone out there had something similar to what I had? Maybe even listening to the same guided self inquiry? Just share your thoughts if you’ve got some.

How do you define the I AM? I ask this because I see that a lot of people like to say "there's nothing", "nothingness", "the void". That all this is true, but in my opinion it can be a bit deceptive, because the ego is always going to extremes. If it's nothing the other possibility doesn't exist. That's not how reality works. In reality all the possibilities are there, in one. The I AM (or the self) is nothing, and everything. It doesn't exists and it exists. So I see like confusion when people ask me what is no-self. I tell them that you can't find a self. "I" when is identified with the body, with impermanent things, like thoughts, feelings, skills, etc.... that I am doesn't exists, is fake. But there's pure awareness, not identified with nothing yet it is everything, that's the I AM I talk about. I searched some information about it, mostly from two of my favorites Advaita teachers, Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi. Maharaj wrote the book that in my opinion is like the Bible of Advaita called "I AM THAT". And that is what it says about them on wikipedia: "The South Indian sage Ramana Maharshi mentions that in the Hindu Advaita Vedanta school, of all the definitions of God, "none is indeed so well put as the biblical statement 'I am that I am'". He maintained that although Hindu scripture contains similar statements in the Mahavakyas, these are not as direct as given in Exodus. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj explains the "I am" as an abstraction in the mind of the Stateless State, of the Absolute, or the Supreme Reality, called Parabrahman: it is pure awareness, prior to thoughts, free from perceptions, associations, memories." I wanted to post this question several days ago but I was always postponing it so I wanna thanks because we were talking about the topic on another thread and what he has to say got my attention, even when we don't agree in this point. But he was very respectful and I really like to change opinions with others, that's how we grow. Let me know guys what do you think about all this thing, does the I AM exists??? Or there's nothing at all??? How do you define "reality"? In my opinion reality and the I AM are the same. What is not the same is the thought that I AM this body, I am a loser, I am ugly, etc... the identification with a separated self, that's not real. The self is one, and is the I AM, is nothing and everything. Is non-dual. It has both characteristics, is a self and no-self. Is there a self, a no-self, awareness, reality, I AM that this or those, I AM not, etc etc etc...??????? And yara yara yara as Leo says.

I think, as has been mentioned by others earlier in this post, that attributing qualities to the self is not possible. As @abrakamowse noted, attributing ''I'' or ''Nothingness'' to that which is the recipient of perception cannot be done, for the self is outside of linguistic conception. The only thing one can truly say about the ''perceiver of perception'', is that it's there. It's of such a nature that you paradoxically locate it when you realize that you cannot point at it, or describe it's qualities. It is basically the empty, eternal space (properties attributed to it for illustrating intentions only) to which neurons send their message. In the tradition of Advaita, as well as in the field of Indian philosophy as a whole, one of the main presumptions is that ''that which endures, is ultimately real'', or, more precisely, that that which is ''longer enduring'', carries a higher ontological status. Seeing as nothing in the manifest material world is permanent, and that the self allegedly is eternal, indivisible, unexplainable etc. It is revered as that with the highest ontological status.

Do you feel identified more with the idea of a separated "I" or with nothingness? Just curious. It happened to me and now a shift in the way of thinking is appearing and I wanted to know. I used to feel very identified with the identity and I couldn't think of reality as myself, that I AM everything and nothing at the same time. Maybe is there some pointer? I don't know...

I've never found a perceiver and I don't see any reason why there would have to be a perciever. The perception is just 'there'. It fills nothingness, just as matter fills empty space. You cannot experience the nothingness directly, but you can get a sense of it. Look down at your body and trace it all the way up to where your head should be, what is there? Nothing. I think the confusion comes when we try to put it in words.

And what is that nothingness? Who perceives? or what is being perceived by who? Is it possible to have perception without a perceiver? How consciousness perceives itself? Nothingness is another word too... in my opinion that Nothingness is the I AM, the one that Buddhist call it Buddha Mind or Big Mind. and they call our perception or wrong idea of I am this or that as Small Mind. I feel there's a lot of confusion on this topic.

It's all a wonderful mystery. I mean, who can really say for sure from this perspective. What is awareness? What is the I am? what is nothingness? What is this? Why does existence happen at all? What happens to me when I pass? Is there anything that remains of the "I am" after the body falls away? These are questions that can't be answered by the mind. I have heard many different answers to all these questions. Which would be truth? There are so many inspirational teachers out there. There has always been for all of time. But so many differ too from each other too. My gut feeling is what it has always been since the first day I realized that there is more to us than meets the eye as an individual self. For some reason this universe (existence) wants to experience itself through awareness. It does through the entirety of the universe. Through different expressions of itself as different organisms that best suit it's environment. Imagine the diversity out there. The human organism being just one of a countless number on different planets. But one thing remains the same, awareness of the surrounding environment. When that organism dies, it's individual experience of awareness comes to an end. It's cycle is complete. But awareness is unstoppable, it continues without missing a beat through producing a new organism that continues that cycle of awareness that the previous organism physically produced ( the children of the human organism for example). So do I think there is an I Am? I think " I am that I am" answers that best. As long as the "I Am" remains within the awareness of reality- there is an "I Am". After that, it's lights out. If there is anything of the "I Am" that continues after my mind and body drops away, that would be an extra bonus. But I'm not counting on it at this point. At the core of the individual as a separate self there exists the I Am or beingness. As Mooji has said, "The I Am is not the final state". I wonder what that "Final State" could be and what of the I Am will remain if any? Who really knows what happens???

I understand I AM is just words. The truth cannot be really named because it's not a concept and not an object. Having said that, I don't understand why people tend to say I AM is just words but Nothingness is the truth. The same thing happens with nothingness. So what is the point saying this is the real way to call it, there's nothing and if you say I AM is wrong is a concept. The concept that we have of I AM is wrong, we as a separated being are not the "I". There's no I in that sense. But we are one with reality, that's is what I AM. I AM = Truth = reality = everything = nothing. But is there a perceiver?

From what I can see, there is only perception, other than that; nothingness.

I gave up on the nothing-less method of meditation as it was something I did without any success when was suffering with insomnia for over a year. During that time I mastered the nothingness technique of meditation for hours and hours at a time. A few weeks ago I was talking with a friend about meditation who has also had insomnia , she spoke of how she had mastered the nothing-less technique and like me without benefit. Think nothing get nothing It was at that point I switched my meditation to the focused technique for its reported benefits. To expand on the method I have begun doing sessions where I meditate to visualize a goals successful completion. Focused attention meditation Focusing the attention on a single object during the whole meditation session. This object may be the breath, a mantra, visualization, part of the body, external object, etc. As the practitioner advances, his ability to keep the flow of attention in the chosen object gets stronger, and distractions become less common and short-lived. Both the depth and steadiness of his attention are developed. Examples of these are: Samatha (Buddhist meditation), some forms of Zazen, Loving Kindness Meditation, Chakra Meditation, Kundalini Meditation, Sound Meditation, Mantra Meditation, Pranayama, some forms of Qigong, and many others Types of Meditation – An Overview of 23 Meditation Techniques http://liveanddare.com/types-of-meditation/