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@CoolDreamThanks I agree with your statement. An awakened being cannot do the work for you. It is my dream! An awakened being can only provide the tools ⚒️ everyone’s maze is unique, your solution might be completely different from another persons. regarding “ grace “ you hear stories of what highly awakened beings can do. Jesus is an extreme example, someone living in the materialist paradigm might refer to these activities as Supernatural. Take 5Meo DMT and those miracles might sound completely natural

Thanks for the clarification. Truth is all states, but some states keep you asleep from truth or awaken to it. But you’ve even said that the traditional Buddhist meditation awakening to no-self is only one type of awakening and God-Realization is a greater level of awakening. So, who is to say that you won’t awaken to something even higher and even higher that contradicts your previous awakenings? The deeper you go, the more you awaken to. You’ve awakened to Absolute Solipsism but then you had a new awakening to Infinity of Gods that contradicts it. If you just stopped the work at Absolute Solipsism, your mind would deceive you into thinking you have found the Whole Truth, when in reality, you will always have more things to awaken to since reality is infinite. Or maybe it is that you have awakened to the Whole Truth but your perspectives to that are changing with each awakening?

@CoolDreamThanks Do you believe there is any validity in being a Bodhisattva? They say one cannot reach the highest levels of awakening without the grace of an awakened being.

I think that a good advice. Never in my life did I see an awakened and hot girl at the same time

You can have insights that negate other insights you’ve had. Awakening isn’t separate from this. I am making the assumption that there is no such thing as a complete awakening even though I cannot prove that. From this assumption, you can realize that since any awakening insight you have is incomplete, a higher insight will recontextualize other awakenings you’ve had. Some insights may lead you to realize that you have had false insights. I think it is possible to be 100% convinced that you have awakened when you really haven’t.

I am asking you because of your questions. If dreaming is a self-deception, then that would mean that any knowledge in the dream is part of the dream. Even a lucid dream is still part of the dream/deception. All knowledge and things post is part of “the self-deception.” Even you thinking you are awake is a self-deception. You are still dreaming. I am open to the possibility of awakening, but it just seems like it doesn’t exist. According to Leo, nobody on this forum is awake because according to him, he has reach levels of consciousness that nobody else has. Even though, it is possible that other people have had awakenings, when compared to who has reached the highest levels, everyone else’s awakening is mild. Think about this. Let’s say your awakening is at lvl 100 and an alien you meet is at lvl 5000. I think this is why Leo says nobody is awake because he claims he is at that alien level of awareness and nobody else has. The alien makes you look like you haven’t awakened to shit. I hope you can see what I mean here.

But how do you distinguish awakening from regular insight? What is the difference? How do you know whether you actually awakened or had a false insight? I entertain the idea that there could always be a higher level of consciousness that could make me doubt any profound insight I have had. The reason why I say that is because I remember you claiming that complete understanding of reality or omniscience is possible. If that is so, then wouldn’t awakening have to be final; otherwise, your understanding wasn’t complete and you aren’t omniscient. But by Godel’s logic, you cannot ever reach the end. It’s a self- deception to think there is a final awakening.

Why you asking me? Lol I am already awakened. You are the one denying awakening lol. Why isn't a dream real? What is real?

This days most mature post award is clearly taken. In real life, it works more like this: Ken Wilber, One Taste: "Monday, March 24. With the awakening of constant consciousness, you becomesomething of a divine schizophrenic, in the popular sense of “split-minded,” because you have access to both the Witnessand the ego. You are actually “whole-minded,” but it sounds like it’s split, because you are aware of the constant Witness or Spirit in you, and you are also perfectly aware of themovie of life, the ego and all its ups and downs. So you still feel pain and suffering and sorrow, but they can no longer convince you of their importance—you are no longer the victim of life, but its Witness. In fact, because you are no longer afraid of your feelings,you can engage them with much greater intensity. The movie of life becomes more vivid and vibrant, precisely because you are no longer grasping or avoiding it, and thus no longer trying to dull or dilute it. You no longer turn the volume down. You might even cry harder, laugh louder, jump higher. Choiceless awareness doesn’t mean you cease to feel; it means you feel fully, feel deeply, feel to infinity itself, and laugh and cry and love until it hurts. Life jumps right off the screen, and you are one with all of it, because you don’t recoil. If you are having a dream, and you think it’s real, it can get very scary. Say you are dreaming that you are tightropewalking across Niagara Falls. If you fall off, you plunge to your death. So you are walking very slowly, very carefully.Then suppose you start lucid dreaming, and you realize that it’s just a dream. What do you do? Become more cautious and careful? No, you start jumping up and down on the tightrope, you do flips, you bounce around, you have a ball—precisely because you know it isn’t real. When you realize it’s a dream, you can afford to play. The same thing happens when you realize that ordinary life is just a dream, just a movie, just a play. You don’t become more cautious, more timid, more reserved. You start jumping up and down and doing flips, precisely because it’sall a dream, it’s all pure Emptiness. You don’t feel less, you feel more—because you can afford to. You are no longer afraid of dying, and therefore you are not afraid of living.You become radical and wild, intense and vivid, shocking and silly. You let it all come pouring through, because it’s all your dream. Life then assumes its true intensity, its vivid luminosity, itsradical effervescence. Pain is more painful and happiness is happier; joy is more joyous and sorrow is even sadder. It all comes radiantly alive to the mirror-mind, the mind that doesn’t grasp or avoid, but simply witnesses the play, and therefore can afford to play, even as it watches. What would motivate you if you saw everything as the dream of your own highest Self? What would actually move you in this playful dream world? Everything in the dream is basically fun, at some deep level, except for this: when you see your friends suffering because they think the dream is real, you want to relieve their suffering, you want them to wake up, too. Watching them suffer is not fun. And so a deep and powerful compassion arises in the heart of the awakened ones, and they seek, above all else, to awaken others—and thus relieve them from the sorrow and the pity,the torment and the pain, the terror and the anguish that comes from taking with dreadful seriousness the passing dream of life. So you are a divine schizophrenic, you are “split-minded” in the sense that you are simultaneously in touch with both the pure Witness and the world of the ego-film. But that really means you are actually “whole-minded,” because these two worlds are really not-two. The ego is just the dream of the Witness, the film that the Witness creates out of its own infinite plenitude, simply so it will have something to watch at the movies. At that point the entire play arises within your own constant consciousness. There is no inside and no outside, no in here versus out there. The nondual universe of One Taste arises as a spontaneous gesture of your own true nature. You can taste the sun and swallow the moon, and centuries fit in the palm of your hand. The pure I-I, the greatI AMness, breathes to infinity and creates a Kosmos as the Song of its very Self, and oceans of compassion fall as tears from your very own Original Face.

And that is why you roll out your own paradigm/set of beliefs (above). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_contradiction Ever heard of non-conceptual Awakening? Non-nonceptual nondual awakened states? What you describe in your post is just a set of beliefs. Awakening and Enlightenment promises something beyond all these conceptual games. When one truly awakens one can throw away all ladders/conceptual frameworks. Until then one better has good and encompassing /integral conceptual worldviews. And paradigms/worldviews/ladders that deny the possibility of the destination of the ladder are... pretty comfy. Nothing to transcend just stay where one is....

Doing that after Full Enlightenment: Can work and does work. Separate self and its regularly occuring suffering gone/transcended. Can generate its own bliss with onboard-devices/awakened nondual states WITHOUT needing specific experiences for that. In other words, total freedom & love. Can do whatever its inclined to celebrate manifestation, including helping "others". Doing that before Full Enlightenment = easing the regular suffering /non bliss emotions caused in cycles by the separate self/ego illusion Gestalt with chasing experiences (this time, quite high up Maslows ladder, with transcendental insights/awakenings/whatever n+1). Doesnt work and can't work. Same project as any other unenlightened being is performing unsuccessfully in a myriad of ways ( maslow pyramid up and down). The mechanism described above works with mathematical precission.

You dont know that. What I describe in my last post works by a different set of rules than the conceptual assumptions in the quote above and in your post. Consider practicing towards actually fully nonconceptual and nondual awakened states in daily life. These will ripen then. Then you will see and realize, if Karma has it this way in your future.

How bright a light bulb is doesn't reveal to us the qualities of electricity that flows through it in creating the light, it shows us the qualities of the bulb. So pointing to the bulb in trying to explain electricity fails to recognize the nature of electricity available isn't shown to us through the amount or quality of light the bulb displays. Us as the metaphorical bulb with how much 'awakeness' someone has doesn't tell us how much consciousness is available to us, it just shows how much consciousness, or 'brightness', we show. A rock and us have the same exact amount and quality of consciousness available, but obviously there is a difference in how aware, awakened or 'conscious' of it we display. So, yes, everything is consciousness but not equally conscious yet the degree of conscious something or someone is, does not reveal the absolute fullness of consciousness that exists and permeates throughout reality which is not dependent on the 'bulbs' ability to display it. It really is surprising how simple obvious this is and still is so illusive to grasp.

Your hasty diagnosis is a defense mechanism of your ego, because now you don't have to take anything I say seriously. Notice that I don't claim to know what you experienced or are awakened too. I'm just claiming that no one has arrived at any final destination, and those who say they did are deluding themselves. Edit: Thank you.

Im just curious, if one can reach full permanent awakening with the the motivation to escape suffering?

Can't awaken God against its will. God wants to experience delusion and being asleep. Can everyone be Jesus, Buddha, Jesus and Buddha can't be unique if everyone is as awake. Can everyone be good at basketball and be Michael Jordan? No you need some people to be bad at it so Michael Jordan can be special and unique. Once you realize that life is a story, then you realize you need rich, poor, strong, weak, smart, dumb, etc,,, so yeah....things gotta be the way they are or paradoxically it actually wouldn't make sense. If everyone you talked to just suddenly awakened so easily....you would call bullshit and be like....THIS is fake!!! You call this immersive? To make the dream immersive, gotta add some nice juicy conflict, ignorance, etc... Look at the clip above of the Matrix movie...did you see the crap Neo had to go through? Now...what if we just made the entire thing easy for him....nothing to discover and learn. No growth, no failure, no journey.

If he consumed an Consciousness altering substance with an open mind he would probably instantly awaken. His desire to go to Islam is just his ego pulling him away from truth. Deep down he knows this....but ehhhh....it shows you the nature of God. God wants to explore. You cannot awaken God against its will, God will awaken on its own terms. I don't blame him, he is in his 20's I have no clue how my life would have been impacted if I awakened that early. I truly think early to mid 30's is an appropriate age. Part of the Spiritual Path is nihilism, not sure if it is healthy to be exposing large amounts of 20 year olds to nihilism.

Consciousness is all there is. And Consciousness can fully comprehend itself. This self-comprehension is Absolute. In other words, you gain absolute clarity into what everything is. Do not muddle this matter by invoking the notion of Maya. Maya refers to the lack of self-comprehension of consciousness. God-Realization is the unraveling of Maya. This does not mean that experience stops. People here love to confuse awakened consciousness with a lack of experience or "Nothingness" or formlessness.

So the next day after my "Insanity trip" I had a strong gut feeling day that I need to do 3.5 gram shrooms again. I had some anxiety, but decided that I had no choice. Within 30 min after consumption i started to feel the effects. Not much visuals, but for some reason colors from flowers and sky started to seem even brighter. It was like someone turned up the brightness of colors inside my brain. Reality started to seem like a rainbow. I was in awe of how beautiful reality truly is. Here is my last trip if you want to read it: 30 min after onset my mind went silent. I just sat in the chair observing followers, buildings and the sky. Then my awareness and intelligence increased. I suddenly got this power to think more clearly than ever. It was like my eyes finally opened up for the first time. I started to develop curiosity for reality. I just sat there contemplating different questions about my personal life mainly and existence. So I asked these questions: “What is my purpose in life?”. “Why am I doing anything at all?” Then I realized that the reason everyone in life is doing anything at all is because of LOVE. I actually don't know why, but i just sat there and all of the sudden I was in love with myself and existence. My love for existence and everyone just expanded to a higher level. Looking at existence and listening to the silence, I realized that I am all alone. Everyone is imaginary. I even hesitated to post this report since, wtf is the point if i am all alone. I was just sitting with tears running down my face. Could never fathom that love is so bloody beautiful. I realized unconditional love for existence and everyone. Devils and the so-called evil people are doing it for love. Hell, torture, rape, murder and even suffering is love and beauty. (Disclaimer i don't justify rape or murder, i only report what i exprience in this trip) I started to fall in love with myself. I realized that i am complete and perfect as iam. Love is the only thing you need. You don't need friends, women, sex, money and fame. Love is all you need. The reason for people being unhappy is because of a lack of love. I started to legit feel invincible. I did not even care if I died. Nothing could hurt me since I was so deeply in love with existence and myself. Love is there for all eternity, so there would be nothing for me to lose or gain at that point. Everyone is just trying to express love in their own way. So I could see that my purpose in life is to express my love for reality in my own meaningful way. For example, a life- purpose can be a way to express love. Either by doing something selfless or selfish. It's all the same. I had empathy and love for everyone. Even the most evil acts I would love. Evil does not exist, it's just love. Anyway, love did not just affect me psychological, but also physical. I started to feel a comfortable cozy warm feeling all over my body. I started to feel warm in my body even though the temperature decreased during nighttime. I was uncomfortable in my body, but the pain turned into physical euphoria. I am not sure how to explain how pain becomes euphoria. It is like suffering and euphoria becomes the same, I could no longer tell the difference between the two. I started to get mental clarity, I started to feel sober or normal. I was able to think straight with much more awareness. So i was like to myself: fu*k it i am going to take my dog for a walk up the mountains in middle of the night on a Monday while on the peak. I started to cry while walking, realizing how goddamn beautiful love is. I was like just keep repeating to myself, “holy fuck, is this real”. So I would walk for 2 hours with my dog, just taking in the sights and falling in love with everything. Anyway this trip was so shockingly beautiful that I still have a hard time believing love and beauty could be so WOW. There are no words for it. Wow is the best word to describe my trip Lesson I have learned: I need to be able to first develop my love for myself before I can expand my love for others. Love is the one true thing I truly need in life to be happy. How much hate is robbing me of my own happiness. I have now a desire to develop my love for myself and the world. Also I started to realize that I need to put up boundaries and respect myself enough to not let unconscious people drag me down in life. Dont be a people pleaser. A people pleaser lacks respect and love themselves. Also this trip would have never happened had it not been for this gut feeling telling me i need to do shrooms today, after a bad trip. Don't get me wrong, i am just stracthing the surface of understanding love. I am not going to claim i am awakened. I am far from done.

Is the goal not to slowly increase the dose to reach higher altered states of consciousness. I am not sure how much a dose affects how awakened a person is. I always assumed I needed to increase my dose to like 5 grams or higher before I could reach awakening. Would it not be more reasonable to lower my dose to 2.5 then?

I agree with you, ultimately this is not a criminal case 'yet'. So if Brand is as loving and awakened as he claims he would at least accept the possibility that he could've acted in a way that hurt others during his drug and sex addicted days, especially something like the 16 year old who, just her very age is extremely suspect. If he was truly awakened he would come out with something like 'although my actions weren't technically illegal I know I hurt these women etc'. The fact that he is just blaming people out to get him is actually more in line with narcissism and actions of a cult leader because he's only speaking to his die hard followers. It's a shame because he has shown growth since the days these actions happened but he obviously still has some deeper need for fame and adulation that is still active.

@Hardkill The 80s had the AIDS epidemic and people like Fauci was the one that spreaded the fake news that gay men get AIDS easier. Socially things were worst back in the 80s and 90s for people but economically better because 5-10 years of hard work would allow someone to pay off their home while now its 30 years. I don't think there has been ever a year where wars don't exist, people were just less exposed so they weren't aware of the injustice in the world. Spiritually there are more awakened people today than the last 30+ years. Now novice meditators can do a week long retreat and actualize. In the 90s and early 00s, only a handful of people awakened. Today a poor kid from a village in India, Vietnam etc can learn to program and get a 6 figure income within 10 years. The opportunities around the world have risen while taking away opportunities for people in a place like America. Big Pharma and companies that sell food around the world have centralized now and what people eat so our food is far dirtier and less pure than before. Cancer rates and chronic disease is on the rise because the stuff people are putting in their bodies isn't helping that. So then it becomes really hard to say if things are better or not.

I would say that Leo probably has realized the absolute infinity with psychedelics, but that doesn't matter, for him this is a competition and he will never admit that a rival is right. never. Whatever you do and whatever you say, he is going to look for the weak point, and he is really going to believe that you are deceived and that you are an ugly, stupid and miserable clown, because never, impossible, never, could he say: well yes, osaid, or anyone is awakened, and look, I would say that he has reached deeper levels than me in the spiritual dimension. nor osaid, nor buddha, nor christ nor all the mystics of india together. forbidden. They are all fagots clowns full of shit, seems that he needs that. It's weird, if you really realize the absolute you want that another people realize too, because it's wonderful, you want to share it, and you want that other people go deeper, to get inspired in them . If you really broke your ego, you can't be obsessed about being the best anymore

Now all jokes aside this dialogue was about something much deeper. It was about whether or not you need Love to be awakened. What is your thought? According to the idiot it's all lower states of consciousness...even enlightenment itself.... Do you have any thoughts on the matter or do you just wanna chime in to poke fun?