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Go do inner work, everyone, including myself. Go do inner work. It's so annoying, these words like awakening and who is more awakened and all that crap, that i'm tired and very very bored of all that talk. The frickin house is on fire, but you are still trying to fight over meaningless bullshit instead of being honest with yourself and embrace your own fears and worries and shit like that. You turn this into another soap opera, really, where instead of fighting over a girl or money, you fight about who is more awake, or who is really awake and whose awakening is fake, and shit like that.

He can't help it anymore than a racist can't stop being a racist, until they do. It's not his fault. And I believe honestly he will do it because he will get sick and tired of wondering. Notice he can't stop thinking about it? It means he will eventually do it and then he will understand that I am just HIM telling to the stop the bullshit. I am no different than the voice inside his head that he thinks is him. No YOU do that because I AM YOU. And ask yourself why I have properly predicted you so well? When you claimed you awakened conceptually to Absolute Solipsism I told you that you couldn't and you argued with me. I was right. When I said you weren't really hear for awakening but something else you argued with me and then you finally admitted you just wanted to go get laid. Again I was right. When you said you would leave Actualized.Org I said you wouldn't. Again I was right. Have you not figured out that I got you figured out? Why? I wonder why I can predict your every move? Maybe just maybe I am YOU!!!! Just like I KNOW you will eventually take the plunge...because you are tired of wondering....you just use all of us here to give you the confidence and talk you out of your shit.

This I agree with, but I honestly believe that when you say Leo cheated I don't think he did. Psychedelics just reveal the veil that is there, but I recognized from direct experience that the ability to penetrate that veil doesn't come from the psychedelic but the type of mind that has been constructed throughout one's life. I've said it before. If you design your life based on the truth, then that is what you will find, if you design your life on lies, manipulation, and control then that is what you will find. I mean when I realized you could awaken to God on freaking alcohol it was THEN that I realized that if someone is not awakened they don't want it.

No, they just pretend to be I am doing my version of the whole awakened rockstar journey Yes, the world is nasty and it's arguably the most challenging thing to pull off, especially if you really want to stay authentic... but that's just how it is. It comes with the package. Haha! Precisely. It's even more awesome when you do create something unique and true and even revolutionary... but then no body can relate to it. Gotta love the game.

My 3 year old niece awakened me to that when I kept putting her to bed and she kept coming downstairs. She refused to go to sleep if I wasn't around. So I had to submit and let her fall asleep in my arms. Toddlers are little tyrants running around. And they always win...because they are so small. Their vulnerability is their strength. So funny how paradoxical life is. Adults get the opposite treatment. We are like...okay you are an adult "kid gloves off!!!"

To add: I am struggling with the humble and arrogant are both the same. I did just apply AS (Absolute Solipsism) to it and they cancel each other out as the same. Like what you say they do. I get it, it’s duality, light dark, and it’s all one. But that human identity is so ingrained in my self that I’m struggling (I will work through it though, I know) with it. And also with how can someone be in a fully awakened state and still be jealous to a high level, not just in thoughts, but to verbalise it out loud? If there is only love shouldn't that cancel them out? I’m just thinking out loud, I will work through it the next few days most likely. 😀

Name: Asia Prestigiacomo Age: 17 Gender: Female Location: Rome, Italy Occupation: student Marital Status: married Kids: No Hobbies: enlightement, meditation, reading, knitting, sewing with the machine, vegetable garden, animals, cooking, hiking. (Apologies for my elementary english because i'm a learner) My journey has started 3 years ago when i became a serious activist for enviromental issues. I've started to become an authentical zero waster, collecting all my waste in a glass jar, i've also started to raise people's awareness at school, to friends, teachers and family. In 3rd year of lyceum of arts, i met my best friend Valentina, a seriously awakened girl, who suddently became my spiritual guru. Thanks to her i learned about indian spirituality, karma and reincarnation, i became a vegetarian and after a vegan. I read a lot of books of Paramahansa Yogananda and Shirla Prabupada (Hare Krishna founder). My changes with religions were: raised as a christian child, atheist in middle school, agnostic in the beginning of lyceum, Hare Krishna and now spiritual. About 8 months ago everything started to loose meaning and now i am dealing with this problem, because i don't find much more satisfactiom in everyday life and passions, and my mind has an hard time accepting it. Last month Valentina has suggested me actualized.org and i started to watch Leo's lessons. I always say that when i listen to a lesson and it really vibes into me, i'm just listening to words that explains perfectly something that i already knew. I can say that most Leo's videos has caused this situation of "already knew" inside me. Expecially the ones about pratical life, and also something about god, karma and spirituality. Personal challenges I've overcome: - finding my man - eating healty and natural medicine - critical thinking - overcome 'having children to make sense of my life' What I'm working on now: - spiritual awakening - looking for the meaning and the truth - accepting deseases and other's death (- having my own vegetarian farm and vegetable garden to live in an indipendent way)

"Solipsism" only means anything related to spiritual awakening to members of Leo's cult. Watts and McKenna were partly awakened, but not anatta awakened.

Yes, I know psychedelics are not for everyone and that he nearly killed himself. Though, that is not the point of my message. I think you're the one who's not listening. I pretty much don't care about convincing you of anything. I just wonder if some people are interested in going much deeper. I personally don't see that being discussed a lot. What I see being discussed a lot is all the reasons why people won't or don't want to go deeper. I've grown out of that. It was a short passage. Right, though I can still wonder if someone else also wants to reach the deepest realizations and understandings one can have (in Leo's sense, not to argue with what is deep). The reason I was asking was mostly to check if I was right to feel one of the few if not the only one doing that. I must say it would have been even more exciting to hear the opposite from one of the person doubting or disregarding all of this the most. But if that never happens, that's okay. I don't care about fighting and arguing. Which explain why I'm not very active on the forum (which doesn't mean I don't read it). I agree with what you're saying, I've had awakenings and breakthroughs. They were so profound that they made me realize that they couldn't be achieved/haven't been achieved through simple practices like meditation. In my opinion, you can't know whether I am right or wrong because because you haven't properly used psychedelics to verify that. And at the same time, you can argue that I can't know either how your awakening is like because I haven't reached a similar kind of awakening … so I guess the discussion is endless. Though the chances are still higher that someone Absolutely awakened (let's say) get even deeper realizations through psychedelics, than it is for me to reach some Absolute/final enlightenment. But who cares in the end. No one is here, but Me, or You. Depends on the objective. If the objective is to reach a complete understanding of all of reality, it would be silly not to recommend them. Though it doesn't mean that they will act properly on everyone, especially on those who don't do the work, as Leo says, of deconstructing their mind. It certainly doesn't mean either that they can only bring positive things. Though I don't think anyone here believes that about them.

Contemplate every word of that series. Don't skip a single word! Selective attention is an ugly beast. - It being hard as fuck is a feature, not a bug. It's normal, and it's how it's supposed to be. It sucks, but more people are going through this shit than you think. Many don't even have the courage to ask for advice like you did. - Women have different problems than men. Leo talks about it in the how to get laid series as well. It's victim mindset. Men have no idea of the struggles women face, and women have no idea of the struggles men face. On average. And I'm no feminist, trust me. I've gone through the Andrew Tate women-hating phase, and it's just a coping mechanism to justify your lack of success. "women are bad, that's why". But it just creates conflict, and makes you a fucking pussy in the eyes of a woman, too. Many of those red-pill influencers understand very well that the weak spots of their audience are. While some of them act from good intentions, there's a conflict of interest between giving just solid advice, vs demonizing women and making them feel like they "awakened you to the truth", given you the "red pill". That way they're viewed by their audience as the savior of the "poor, misunderstood men", and how convenient is that? Oh, great, it's not my fault then. Much less painful this way, right? - Also, people have their own concerns, and don't bother too much with your cringy episodes. When they go home they will spend exactly zero seconds thinking about that episode. It's not easy to internalize this to the point where you act from that perspective, but start to appreciate this. You can likely recall times when others acted weird around you, and you just forgot about it within a week (or more likely, 10 minutes). Of course you can burn some bridges, but many, many times your mind will amplify 100x. - Another great resource I suggest you read is "The way of the superior man" by David Deida. Try to read it from an non-judgmental perspective towards women. Read it as if you were studying the behavior of rats, completely impartial, and just curious. Whenever you make a judgment about women, ask yourself: Do I really KNOW this to judge it? Do I have that much actual experience talking to the opposite sex to know it's true? Could it be that I know jack shit about what goes on in a woman's mind? Did I ever try and behave like a man the way it's described in the book, or did I always live from the perspective of a boy? I still have a shit ton to work to do still, but I'll tell you what made me get closer to an actual solution. Try to deeply think about what I'm about to say. Evaluate it for yourself, don't believe me. Try to recall episodes where this may be true. Actual life scenarios. But it might be bullshit as well, that's why I want you to think critically. There's a ton of stuff in this post, I hope parts don't get lost, it's all very meaningful to me. - First, it really helped to understand how many insecurities women have, and how much the majority of them are less developed than I am (maybe it's an overcompensation from a previous lack of self-esteem), since they never did the amount of personal development work I did. And the same goes for men. You see the average man, and how mediocre his life is. What makes you think women are any different? They're not. Maybe socially they will be ahead of you, but seeing how you might be crushing them in terms of direction in life, knowledge of your mind, and so on can help taking them down from a pedestal that's purely imaginary. Just being in this forum makes it far more likely that you're ahead in development compared to 80% of the women you talk to, if not more. - Second, it was a mind-shattering moment to understand how women attraction works. So fucking counterintuitive. Imagine it like this... Recall times where you felt respect for another man. Respect and admiration. For his courage, integrity, boldness, for being able to do the things you aren't able to. You can FEEL this respect, this admiration. Well, that's sexual attraction for women. This comparison may not be perfect, but it's quite spot on actually. I realized I had zero clue about this, and once I realized it, I finally had a way to understand the female mind for fucking once. NOW it started to click. Now I could see how some guys could pull up girls. Now I could see how they were repelled by my neediness. Imagine this, would you admire a man who follows every order you give him, allows you to abuse him, who asks for you to solve his problems, who has no courage to do anything? IF you wouldn't admire him, that equals to a woman not being attracted. Now imagine a man who you would admire, and magine being a woman and wanting to have sex with him. Also, would you admire a bully, someone who's arrogant? An asshole? Hmm, not really. But you would still respect it more than a pussy dork. But if you wouldn't admire him, it means that's not the way to attracting a woman. A woman who's with an asshole has settled. Because she has flaws too, as I said in point 1. Don't be fooled into thinking treating a woman badly will attract her. It's like saying you admire a bully. You might stick around him rather than being alone, but that's not a leader you'd want.

What i'm saying is there is something like law of attraction or resonance, or whatever you call it, and when we are in a dark state, so to speak, things just don't go well, and we may get more and more lost in our stories and fear and whatever it is. What i'm saying is, if you have fears and worries which you believe cannot be solved, you might try to run away from them and get lost in mental modes, spiritual and philosophical stuff, at least that's the case for me. I'm not saying to you that i'm awake, or i'm superior to you, or things like that. In fact i don't even care about being awake etc, those who wanna play that game of who is more awake etc can keep playing that game. I'm someone who is going through his own shit, and trying to find his resonance or alignment, but it simply doesn't work for me by simply letting go of my issues and pretending like i don't have those issues. Trying to do that is just futile, it is just spiritual bypassing, so to speak. That's why i'm completely tired of all spiritual and philosophical talks, and shit like that. I simply wanna turn within and surrender to where i am, as much as i can. My experience is like me falling from heaven to some sort of a hellish situation, and i am where i am. Maybe i am not that awake, or maybe i am in a situation that is harsher than what most people are going through, i don't know about that. I just am where i am, and i've found that if i simply accept where i am and relax into it, so to speak, more into inner silence, so to speak, it seems like i relax more and feel better. I may not be a very awakened being, or whatever, but i don't really give a fuck about that, to be honest, i'm just trying to find my way, really. I got lost in many philosophies and shit like that, but i just wanna be "woo woo", in a sense, i guess, haha.

Look, it's easy to say such wise seeming things, but i don't care about socalled nondual wisdoms or shit like that. I can talk in such a way that you will believe that i'm the most awakened being in existence, it is easy to do that. You can say that everything is perfect, no need to focus on the dark, just be, you are existence itself, etc etc etc. But, trust me, i've read and listened a loooooot of such talks from a loooooot of socalled masters and so on. But you need to be honest with yourself and embrace yourself, and use your reason and intuition to find your own path. You don't know where anyone is, and what they need, and so forth. It is easy for us on this forum, or in videos and books and so forth, to pretend like we know what everyone is going through, and what they need and so on, and we a lot of that. But things are different when it comes to individual experiences of individual beings, you see. I can parrot all the spiritual teachers and masters and so forth, and i'd do that pretty good, but the real shit, the real understanding, is not in saying the wise looking words, but in truly accepting yourself where you are and being able to quiet your mind more and more, so that you will be more and more open to your inner awareness and intelligence. I don't say let's get lost in our fears and angers and so forth, but, at least for me, it is important to not say "oh these negative thoughts etc are just illusions" etc, because the frickin experience of them is real, and it is not always that easy to find your way through the shit that you are going through.

@Thought Art nah no such thing, that's another game. I've met deeply awakened nazi, that was terrible LOL, they even dropped 5Meo like smarties apparently. All kinds of strange things when you navigate in the abyss.

Yes, and that is no accident. You’d literally lose your mind if you understood way more than you can handle. Some states are simply far too radical for God as a human to comprehend. So trying to be the most awakened human being on the planet is a foolish goal.

This war is a very serious matter. The US, with its game of fuck the Russians by arming Ukraine and pushing it towards destruction, has awakened the bear. Now Russia is the military power of the world. No one can mobilize an army like that willing to fight to the death. This represents a big change. Once you know that you are the strongest in the yard, obviously you start to set conditions.

Donald Trump is the most awakened being on the planet next to Leo. He's just at the other end of the spectrum. Hehe

Haha yes being awakened don't mean much if you don't have health and wealth in this physical life at least. The foundation anyone needs is to first have good physical health, then mental and material wealth. Follow the Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It is not a must to follow but it is the ideal way to go about life in general.

My point was that if you can't explain it without awakening yourself than how can you be someone to objectively judge that there is someone more awake than yourself. Do you see how there is no objective reality to awakening- therefore there is not an absolute awakening that everyone has the same way. Thus, there really can't be a guy more awake than you once you've awakened. Here we can agree to disagree. My simple point is that awakening shall be independent of both pyschedelics and meditation. Both are triggers. But awakening is something prior to both. I just don't feel like Leo reached it via psychedelics. If you do - great- but note that it was because you were ready to awake - and it wasn't because of the psychedelics. Same goes for meditation.

Razard has covered all of what awakening is - as have I. Leo has as well but the problem is he didn't awaken himself. He did so via psychedelics but that ain't awakening. And now he thinks there is something beyond awakening. Beyond all things. Alien consciousness. Well - I hate to break the hard cold truth to you- but take it from someone who actually has awakened from the dream - this is a fiction.

Because reality is an infinite perspective and an infinite echo chamber, depending on the perspective....every ego is shoving their beliefs down their throat. Someone can read what you post and claim you are shoving your belief down another's throat. It takes two to be in a conflict. If you argue with me and I remain passive, then you are the only one doing the shoving. The moment I engage in the argument then the two of us are shoving our beliefs down each other's throat. So notice you pretend to be one who is not, but you are. The ONLY way to not engage in that activity is to allow other selves to have their way with you and to never speak up and disagree. So yeah...it's all just a game of self-denial you play, and this is how you construct your identity. Lastly just to poke a little fun at what you posted. Your title is "Nonduality is not to be spoken of. Nonduality is simply to be. (they will never know) Let's change it for fun. Nonalcoholism is not to be drunken of. Nonalcoholism is simple to be. *Drinks some wine* If you truly stand your ground... if you indeed walk your talk, to the best of your abilities... Sooner or later, this realization should hit you. And I'd dare to say later, rather than sooner. 'Way after' your self - realization, your karmic return, and all that jazz. Once you have awakened to a certain degree, and you brought that Light into you everyday experience... You will inevitably realize; you simply cannot make anyone truly, really, wholeheartedly understand. They will never know. Simple as that. Fucking hilarious, indeed. *Drinks some wine again.* Onlooker: But hey aren't you drinking too? Duality is contradiction. Of course what I post is contradictory. Such is reality. In one post I might rant about relationships, in the next I'll say there are no people and no relationships. *Drinks some more* Onlookers:....That guy is crazy. Why is he telling us to do....what he refuses to do? Why doesn't he walk his talk and stop drinking. He probably thinks that he needs to drink to relate to us, but we would understand him more and take him seriously if he stopped drinking. Onlooker: I think he is in his own world, I don't think he clearly sees that he is no different than us and is just fooling himself. Onlooker: You mean he is self-righteous? Yeah he doesn't realize we are all him and he is just ranting at his own reflection. Ohhh got you. He's like that guy that watches his favorite team plays sports and when they make mistakes he criticizes them. So he is doing this because he loves and cares deeply for us. Onlooker: Of course he does, why else would he be ranting and raving? Onlooker: Oh I got you!!! Wow!! Onlooker: I think he is just telling us that eventually he is going to leave us and stop drinking or at least that is currently what he wants to do and wants to share that with us. Onlooker: Look how lovey-dovey that guy is!!! He cares enough about us to share his thoughts!!! Onlooker: That's love man!!! That's love!!!

"We are used to thinking of the Arabs as primitive men of the desert, as a donkey-like nation that neither sees nor understands what is going around it. But this is a GREAT ERROR. The Arab, like all sons of Sham, has sharp and crafty mind . . . Should time come when life of our people in Palestine imposes to a smaller or greater extent on the natives, they WILL NOT easily step aside." "…suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to nepotism. They correspond the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes the despicable and dangerous inclination…" -Ahad Ha'am: Founder of Cultural Zionism

If you truly stand your ground... if you indeed walk your talk, to the best of your abilities... Sooner or later, this realization should hit you. And I'd dare to say later, rather than sooner. 'Way after' your self - realization, your karmic return, and all that jazz. Once you have awakened to a certain degree, and you brought that Light into you everyday experience... You will inevitably realize; you simply cannot make anyone truly, really, wholeheartedly understand. They will never know. Simple as that. Fucking hilarious, indeed. They will never know. That's just how it is. No matter how fucking hard you try to explain, no matter how intricate the thought process you lay out before them is, no matter how monumental, deep and existential the questions you are asking them are, no matter how flawless your mathematical equations are... you will never make them understand. There just is no one there to make understand anything. No one is home. So... you have realized yourself as all there is, eh? As the one, infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent, unfuckable divine being, huh? Good. Now shut the fuck up about it. How about that for the next step in your evolution? How about actually being what you're screaming about in everyone's face like a 12 year old girl? How about never mentioning any of this spiritual crap ever again... but actually implementing it? Actually using the wisdom, instead of measuring disks with other spiritual or non - spiritual lunatics? How about just being awake, instead of trying to convince everyone of how awake you are, or worse, how asleep they are? How about just getting fucking real and dropping the bullshit, huh? Sounds good to me. It's not like there is any other choice.

The wonderful part of this work, is the ones who have not awakened eventually get tired of pretending that they have. You can only pretend for so long to be what you are not. Eventually God gets tired of acting and trying to be a specific identity in the appearance of existence.

Osho made a very good point, that when Bodhidharma said that an awakened person drops their clothes, he did not LITERALLY mean to drop their clothes. Clothes was a metaphor for the egoic false self.

Let's just say I called reality's bluff. Let's just say after I awakened I still couldn't believe it so I did some crazy dangerous shit....and nothing happened. I won't share it because I don't know if it will happen for you the way it did for me. Let's just say...you have been severely deluded on how life works. This is why I said, if you don't confirm something for yourself it is just a belief. This is how you discover what is true and what is false. I don't even want you to believe anything I say because believing anything someone says is a waste of time. What you do is you do your own research, and if the research requires you to put some skin in the game and take risks you do it if you want the truth. If you don't, you admit you don't want to confirm it and go on your way. The problem is people want to skip steps in life and make unverified claims. I can tell based on what people say whether they are awake or not. Understand that the more rigid your mind is the more limits you have. For example one of the dumbest things the OP put is that dreams don't have continuity. Do you know how stupid that is? He actually believes that as an absolute dreams don't have continuity? That alone tells you he DID NOT DO RESEARCH. Do you know how many people have recurring dreams? PLENTY OF PEOPLE. Also notice he never talked about day dreaming. Is day dreaming not dreaming? Also notice he doesn't realize that thinking about the PAST is ALSO DREAMING. You see? He creates distinctions in his mind and actually thinks those barriers exist. His mind is like a child, and he actually believes he smart. Making claims that he has raised objections nobody has ever made....while actually NOT researching into the claims people have made. Do you know how self-absorbed and dishonest you gotta be to do no research and then make claims you are the only person to make those claims. My God the arrogance in that one. Like I can't even take this guy seriously....he doesn't have enough humility to know when he lacks sufficient information to make claims. Also.....there are multiple sources both academic and non academic that verify that reality is a dream/imagination. Leo isn't even the first to say it. Also...you can actually verify it for yourself like I did. I literally live in that state all the time. The problem is you have to risk your sanity. I went to the psyche ward 3 times, had a short term bout of uncontrollable hallucinations. Then after 3 edible trips I broke through permanently. Before those edible trips though I was shown it was a dream. Once I went to the void, the actual void. Everything disappeared and I was floating in a void. Once a multi-dimensional being appeared and tried to pull me away and I resisted it and it merged with me. Another trip time stopped. I walked outside and everyone was frozen still. This actually happened on two occasions the second time not as long. Another trip I walked outside and people around me walked in unison with me and only moved when I moved. Eventually I got tired of entering these states through substances and even with proof in front of me that it was a dream I got REALLY SERIOUS. I did something VERY STUPID on PURPOSE repeatedly, I was like if I am going to die for the truth I will. So I called the bluff and put my physical body on the line because even though I knew it was a dream I wanted to see if the dream would protect me. IT DID. ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. Not only did it protect me, it gave me an awakening out of the blue to share its love with me. The only reason I don't share this part because I don't want some idiot doing the stupid shit I did and actually ending their dream. I don't know why I keep being spared but for whatever reason I am spared. If you want to know what I did I'll message you but I won't share it on the forums. But yeah anybody telling you its not a dream is full of shit absolutely and cannot be trusted. In fact if they claim they know its not like the OP, they make Donald Trump look like a saint in comparison of how dishonest they are. This isn't to demonize them, they are just lying to get some attention.