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Do you think it doesn't work like that because once you realize you're god you turn into nothingness and merge with the infinite divine will? So anything less then infinite power is however possible, right? Like for example God dreaming up Jesus, he won't have infinite power because he's the dream of god but because god dreams itself as all powerfull in manifestation that is however possible, right?

Hi lonewanderer. I decided to take 5MeO ( Bufo) in 2020.age 37 I had never heard of psychedelics and drugs were a big no no at the time. I had embarked on finding out how to discern truth ( from the point of view about winning an argument about the non existence of god with a Christian). Ironically I ended up dissolving my reality during a meditation and came face to face with ‘infinity’. I had heard Leo talking about 5MeO on his videos while I was looking at them from a philosophy 101 perspective and so I went and read about what other people were saying about the drug. That it could induce the experience of no self and a state of awareness prior to reality. And so I tried it to make the comparison with my natural experience. With the exception of the intense energy, the experience was the same. Near death, no body, no perception, just a swirl of being nothingness. I had done a lot of contemplation and intellectual deconstruction before ever taking any psychedelic so I was able to observe without getting caught up in it. It is very intense especially for a first time psychedelic experience. In order to take it I had to go to an ayahuasca ceremony which I had no interest in. The ayahuasca didn’t really do anything for me but opened up a connection with other people. I’ve done 5MeO four times and I really don’t get anything from it other than this state. everyone’s preferred medicine or tool is different. I do a lot of my contemplation work with mushrooms and if I want to go further into the god head… strangely it is cannabis that does it for me ( only done it twice but most profound realisations have come from that) I can’t advise for or against other than to be careful as Bufo doses too high can be dangerous. if I’m talking to someone who’s curious about psychedelics I usually say to start with a low dose of mushrooms while being supervised by an experienced sitter just so you can learn to navigate the space comfortably.

So i finally decided to take 100mg of mdma which was half the pill, and i laid on some cushions in my computer room. After 1hour i started to notice some slight effects just like on "lsd" but without the transition comeup. I tried as hard as possible to surrender while listening to music, some slight loving bodily sensation was felt for couple of minutes just like on low dose lsd and that was it. After that no matter how hard i tried to surrender, it didn't do much... I felt like this 100mg dose wasn't far from my baseline consciousness so i decided to take 200mg or a whole pill more. After taking it i decided to move to my bedroom and lay on the bed, after around 30-45min i said to myself "it doesn't work", and just when i said that the comeup came even harder then on the highest dose of lsd i ever had. The comeup was god's presence or extreme energy of becoming more conscious that sent me to another consciousness level. When this comeup came and lasted for like 10 seconds, my thoughts tell me to put on my clothes and go outside because i'm in a different timeline/consciousness right now. So i put on my clothes and look outside through every window in my house, i don't see anyone outside or hear a noise. I go to my backyard really fast and put my scooter helm on so i could drive on my scooter, i turn the scooter on and the engine starts running but when i turn the gas handle to drive forward on my scooter it doesn't work.... It's like god is preventing me to drive it, then in my thoughts i say "wtf" how is this possible and when i said that the gas handle started working again. I drive like 10meters in my backyard, and my thoughts keep preventing me from driving further. So i put the scooter back and put off my helm. I went outside and started walking, walking didn't take any effort or energy it's like i could walk forever and my body felt light or like nothingness. It was like i was an ascended master, not putting out any energy on walking. So while i was walking people appeared again, and i was witnessing how all these people and the things they were doing are god's constructs. I was the only conscious being alive, and others are me. While walking a car drove by, the car sounded extremely realistic almost like it was an imaginary construct. So i walked for like 1km/1mile not far from my parents house and suddenly out of nowhere i felt like i was dieng from extreme thirst and was about to pass out, the thrist was so extreme that i couldn't do anything anymore and i felt like running into peoples house to drink some water. While that was happening, god was showing that i could die and he can setup my death anyway he wanted. And i realized i couldn't get help because it's all god around me. I knew why god did this, and i told him please make it stop i'm dieng from thirst, i swear i'm gonna go to my parents and apologise if you make it stop. Just when i said it, suddenly the extreme thirst was gone and i felt again like an ascended master and walked towards my parents house. While walking to my parents house, i see how the things that have been said to me by others is gods doing. Like for example how my friend told me before my trip that had mdma before, that when you take it you will want to walk. Or how i've read if you take mdma you have to drink coconut water with elektrolytes because you might get thirsty. This was all god constructing reality all around me preparing me for this experience. So now i'm at my mothers house and my stepdad opens the door, then i started apologizing to him for everything that i did and then he called my mom. My mom came and i hugged her and started apologizing, while i was away for 1 year and didn't have any contact she lost all her teeth and had a heart infarct at work. My thoughts told me, that it was also her karma for the things that she did and now she is clean. We talked, and i decided to tell her what happend and how god made me come here again. Then she started talking and for the first time in my life i finally could see in her that her base consciousness was raised. She said that she went to church often and prayed that i would come back, she said that god told her that she was asking for too much. But her prayer was answered and i was forced by god to go to her house i think by making me thrist and asking me where i went. Then i started telling her about my life and the things that i experienced with god, she said that i was putting too much pressure on people with my talk because i knew so much. She said you should keep everything to yourself unless god gives you the right to teach others, she said everyone is on a different ladder of consciousness and you shouldn't interfere unless they are interested themselves. When she said that, i realized that she was right. Some people want to be where they're at, and interfering with their lives can actually put them in different situations but do they really want that? If i would force myself on my mother and show her a whole new world, that would change her life. But how would her life be after that? How would her relationship be with her stepdad? Perhaps her path would change and the relationship with her husband would change. Do i really want that? I guess god was talking through her, and i should listen to god. *Also when i was walking on mdma, i felt extreme peace every step i took. It was like i was liberated from any suffering and was just watching these people like they were part of me god and that i created them. There was 1 guy mowing his grass, i walked past him and didn't hear any sound. There were people talking to eachother and i didn't hear them, they just stared at me when i walked by. All the sound was only created when it was close to me or i allowed it to be created. Never felt such peace as i took every step. *also no teeth grinding or any other symptoms while i was on high dose of mdma, nothing... I was just myself in higher consciousness

Hyper idealistic solipsism is wrong. This is the main theme of this post. Before we get to that, I see some people on the forum getting surprised or confused about leo's recent remarks on Aliens consciousnesess. Him 'opening a portal inside his skull to a colorful Infinite Cartoon landscape full of striped and polka-dotted sentient Alien creatures doing cartwheeels, backflips, and helicoptering around.' then claming 'I have Awoken to an Infinite dreamscape of pure fun and Love!' This is nothing to be surprised about. Leo already made clear his 'complete awakening' is subscribing to the notion of 'mind only' sect of non duality. His psychedelic sessions make one thing clear: Non duality. But what it confused him is that 'MY mind is the only thing I can be sure of and reality is ONLY composed of the concoction of my mind. The figments of imagination are all there is and the same is true for every other imaginary human mind. There is no 'ultimate reality' DIFFERENT from what I see, observe, touch, feel, generate in my experience' See, all of this hyper idealistic solipsism arises out of the mistaken assumption he made at the start of his psychedelic explorations years ago. 'Nothing exists but MY mind' - He makes it sure that there is no ultimate reality OUTSIDE of 'my mind' and everyone is responsible for 'their' minds. You guys are 'stuck in yout own dreams' while 'I' have broken through alien levels of awakening AND no human on this earth could ever possibly conceive of. I guess not even when said people spend 20 years using 10x more 5 Meo Dmts Leo does. He must have this 'special' intuition skills very few people on this earth is even capable of. This is the current paradigm and worldview of Leo in the way that I can see and understand.Feel free to make it more accurate. I do know what he is talking about tho as someone who has ACTUAL meditation skills and has had many experiences with different psychedelics. --- The fact of the matter is actually even more profound than what Leo make it sound like. There is an ultimate reality BEYOND your human consciousness can EVER comprehend. I'm not talking about 'using psychedelics and attaining transhuman levels of understanding' like Leo. All the alien and mickey mouse and portal into my head sorta experiences are concoctions of your brain and mind. Just like this mainstream everyday reality of chairs and tables and couches are concoctions of one's mind as well. YOU CAN'T EXPERIENCE AND DIRECTLY COMPREHEND THE ULTIMATE REALITY (which is NOT only your personal solipsistic concoction) WITH YOUR EXISTING BRAIN AND PSYCHEDELICS AND MEDITATION TECHNIQUES. Full stop. Ever. What we do as spiritual practitioners with our psychedelics, meditations and whatnot is to get INSIGHTS and understandings INDIRECTLY (via inference and demolisihing of our mind created illusions) to get the MOST accurate and closest approximation to what Ultimate reality is like. Of course, Leo would object here and say 'There is no ultimate reality 'outside' of your personal mind' Of course, he would. But the problem is that just because you CAN'T access any reality DIRECTLY, DOESNT mean that that reality outside of your 'personal' mind and conscious experiences DOESNT exist. Leo's positions is akin to how someone would say 'This Eros planet doesnt exist. We can observe this earth, moon, venus etc but this eros planet you are talking about is a complete fiction of your mind. Why do you assume this Eros planet's existece. I don't observe such planet via telescopes' Well just because you 'dont observe' it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We don't make an 'assumption' of an ultimate reality beyond our personal 'mind', Spiritual insights of emptiness, no self, impermanence and nothingness PROVIDES said inference necessary to know with absolute certainty that the reality that 'YOUR' personal mind is an absolute illusion and is your brain's 'best guess' at what this ultimate reality (which impinges on your mind and your mind is an intimately part of) might actually be like. But it is a complete farce. Your alien awakenings, mickey mouses and portals in to your head are fun little creations of your personal mind. But NOT what is ultimately true. Actually your human brain and your psychedelics CANT hope to directly perceive ultimate reality and 'Truth' Due to your strongly entrenched solipsistic way of perceiving reality, it will be challenging to accept what you value as 'complete awakening of aliens' is actually nonsensical but I do understand why you feel that way if you have such a solipsistic tendency within 'mind only' school of non duality. ---- You need to make actual arguments as to WHY for instance if a car (which is construct of your personal mind, right?) hits you with and your body flies away to god knows where. Or how you can't walk though walls. Those set of rules of consistency is NOT just how this 'dream' operates. It is a set of rules THAT IMPINGES on your personal mind and body. Those limitations are hard wired VIA the ultimate reality which is outside of your mind. If you assert no such limitations actually exists and you simply need to be 'more awake' to control the gravity and 'walking through walls' and whatnot, feel free to spend the rest of your life consuming 10.000 psychedelics in the hopes of actually making these work. You'll fail miserably and come to know the limitations of your mind only sect of non duality. --- Anyways, I can continue on but this is, in my opinion, where Leo is going the wrong path. There is no particular reason to be surprised or shocked as the signals of such a transformation to alien awakening and portals into my mind and 'I'm the most awakened being' on this planet were there prior to this transformation. Feel free to provide your arguments but this is not a criticism post actually. I just wanted to share how I view things. Much love,

(Manifest) Reality is also clearly biased: Despite the physical universe winding down towards more Entropy (or basically every energy/matter evenly mixed and distributed), on pretty much every other level it winds up: Evolution from atoms to molecules to bacteria to plants to animals to humans, from stoneage to larger neoltihic groups, to ancient states and empires, industrial age, information age, and onwards to a completely unforeseeable future. Upload to some subtle realms , infinite other dimensions to be explored, and all that stuff. We are not walking on a planet where there have been 500 civilizations that all failed, blown themselves up in nuclear war, and started again in stone age. Such a game is possible, in which we would dig out ruins that we know nothing about, since they are the 462 restart of 4 millions years ago, where no informations have survived what happened but only some stone ruins. No, this here is the first try, and its still running fine and progressing with incredible speed. Manifest Reality (from everything we see) is clearly biased to "winding up", towards evolution, more complexity, transcendence and love. Ken Wilber calls this drive/tendency of the Universe Eros. Reaching a level of complexity where it also can actually realize itself, happening a long time ago with the first Truly Nondual Realizers (Plotinus, Parmenidies, Nagarjuna, and so on). Infinity/Unmanifest/Nothingness, Big Bang/Involution (see Wilber for Involution), Evolution, trip back home, and once more. The big game of hide and seek. That (Eros, Evolution) is one aspect of reality. An other deep aspect is the unconditional love (Agape) that also runs through the fabric of reality, creating and sustaining all beings on every level. All of us, right here, right now, with incredible complexity. I agree that for example the Assyrians in their attempt to build one of the first really large empires that encompassed many kingdoms and tribes were sometimes very cruel. Reality can not intervene in a physical universe and send some guardian angel from the sky. That would break the game immediately. But is that cruelty still in fashion? It is mostly frowned upon by nearly all people nowadays. That cruelty is not the main tendency of reality. It is the complexity of evolution that sometimes goes sour, of separate beings sacrificing fellow beings for their "Atman-projects", building empires as surrogates for transcendence, as Ken Wilber calls it. And yet, as we see when we look back, these empires were necessary for a larger integration and unity, at least in certain ways. Wilber, Up from Eden: A Transpersonal View of Human Evolution. I think you would like the book. And you are also right in the following aspect: As we see, despite the Horror story, Absolute Reality didn't get broken. "IT" has no moving parts that could get broken. In that way, it didn't care, since it didn't suffer, only contained suffering. That is the Absolute perspective. But when we consider it from a relative perspective (which we do as soon as we think about these events), we can also consider that most aspects and mechanisms of relative reality on the manifest/relative level in fact do wind up (not down), and in a way do care a lot that winding up, evolution, growth/development towards more love, or in general the way home, happens. Water by the River

You must really love your life if that worries you. I mean, yeah, you're gonna die at some point. Doesn't have to be negative, in fact, it is necessary... you don't want the hell that would be immortality in human form. Do you not look forward to death at all? I romanticize the idea of dying peacefully and becoming a gentle nothingness where I can sleep for eternity as the Universe disappears with me. Just typing it alone makes me feel warmness and love

In order to sustain ITSELF (illusion of body +time +space), conceptual thinking is necessary. Once it is seen as it is, it will fall apart, collapse and deconstruct. NOTHINGNESS. It will “exist” as unseen, unfathomed, infinite potential. IT WONT EXIST AT THE SAME TIME. Non-existence is impossible. It can not be registered. NON-EXISTANCE can only be fathomed in existence. THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

Let's think logically for a minute. IF! as you claim, God is NOTHINGNESS, why would it care to ascribe any meaning to what is? How can nothingness reclaim its power? if whatever you say is true, there is some entity within NOTHINGNESS which wants to reclaim its power. what is this entity? How can NOTHINGNESS contain or control rather than create EVERYTHING as IMAGINATION and ascribe meaning to what is and how it appears to ITSELF. Meaning is a byproduct of thinking.

What are atoms made out of? What are the things that atoms are made out of made out of? At some point, you reach the unknown, or nothingness, or infinite regress, which means there is nothing to limit it. For every limitation you can identify, there is the unlimited lurking in the background.

Mind has a tendency to grade and sort. There are no such things as multiple dimensions. There is ONLY ONE "thing". You are not your body, correct. Body is being dreamt. You are the whole entire EXPERIENCE. THE WHOLE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE! which includes and creates body through five senses. None of these senses are real but rather imaginary. And that thing that is having experience is ultimately NOTHINGNESS. In order to see this, you need to go through multiple steps. You need to train your mind to retain ONLY one thought "I AM". You need to train your attention. Concentration is a great tool. Conceptual thinking MUST be disrupted in order to become "IT". Without this, it is impossible. however, if you are diligent enough, you can awaken to your true nature withing 3-6 months. Atma vichara is a great tool.

Pure effortless awareness is very important in everyday “meditation” (let’s call it self-remembering). As soon as “you” lose the awareness, the flow starts to construct “you” on autopilot. But if the awareness is there, five senses are drowning in the perception. “I” starts to dissolve. What do I mean here by “awareness”? When “you” acknowledge any mind activity within, any thought. “You” literally acknowledge how the mind creates and assigns “I”, “me”, “my” and/or “mine” to any activity at play. It always speaks in a possessive case, rather than subjective and objective. When “you” lose this effortless awareness, the thought process starts to create "you" as a separate individual. As soon as this happens, even right at this second, “you” cannot catch and notice it anymore. Now "you" have been formed as a human being. Human being is an illusion. Practice the following: total full relaxation. Thoughts come and go. Notice them and let them go before they start to construct a human being. Before they capture, curve this “I” and start to develop an individual with a story line within space and time. (None of these exist in actuality) You are a collection of thoughts, please notice it. You do not exist as a human without language and conceptual knowledge. Ultimately everything boils down to 5 senses. Remove language. Conceptual level forms you as a human being. All “you” have to do is to develop enough attention to notice this. There is no one at home, nothingness....and "you" do not exist.

It has been a lot of time now, since I have discontinued from this forum. Leo's teaching has influenced me a lot in every phase of my life since I have started following him first time around 2015. After more than a year just watching his different videos which had the knowledge and deep understanding of about almost everything.. I have started being a part of this forum. Whenever I had time, I used to very curiously read the new posts in almost all sections of the forum and read the answers Leo gives or any other person. Being an introvert initially, I was not good at expressing myself and it was more about following the content and listening to different voices. At one point of time, it felt like I was following him too much that I was saying the same words that Leo says in his videos.. And It was just too much so gradually I found other great masters to listen to, and that also gave me a new perspective of Leo's work, Now I could see deeper layer of his work. I started writing my journal of this forum and made a lot of posts there, I was trying to express intense emotions I felt while on meditations. One day I found a person who felt like my own part in a feminine body and It has never been boring with her since then. After she came to my life, everything has been completely transformed.. Who I was then and who I am now is complete different, She has grown me not just spiritually but also helped me push through scores of barriers in my emotional and material growth. I really thought this forum to be not useful for me anymore, so I discontinues. I also had to learn through experience about my orange and green phase of spiral dynamics. At that time I strongly associated myself with orange values and since most people on this forum seems like green stage, got into conflicts with me just for the ideology and ego. I also had a lot of ego. I had a little spur of enlightenment before her, but now I constantly live in an enlightened flow experience. I constantly get out of these experiences, yet again find it soon, It's like i know that place of nothingness, where I can rest in calm of solitude, or sometimes even remain alert in the crowded noises. Everything feels so new and a lucid sense of experience starts to touch you, where you feel completely accomplished, and there is complete bliss. But even after seated in such an experience, My mind still returns to its castle and still sometimes can demand like a child, my mind certainly has not been a very disciplined one. Sooner or later it starts to feel pain for desiring one thing or another, things that it has experienced and which were more addictive to any drugs. When you are experiencing bliss at all times, when you pursue a new pleasure, it also mixes in this bliss, making this intensely more pleasing and addictive. that's why it become harder and harder for an enlightened person to push their boundaries. Everything starts giving a new experience, body has a different kind of energy and mind has already found its most natural state of bliss.

All I just said ^ is the cosmological version of the ontological first statement in the thread "there will always be something". Neither our world (cosmological) nor any possible world (ontological) are contingent unless they are intended, the latter is necessary through either 1. direct experience (suddenly in my case) or logically (by reference to experiences as negating the logical condition of a pure absence/nothingness). But is it as necessary that if the world were contingent it should be intended, as it is contingent if it were intended? Can we argue that our world is itself necessary? Can we extend the ontological argument into the cosmological? We really have no other alternative than god vs necessity in relation to its peculiarity/identity, so which is it? Everything Im saying here sounds fancy and philosophical, but it really isn't, it desire is as simplistic as what humans have been doing for hundred of thousands of years, it only is in addition self aware of where it derives its god-concept. It does not treat god as a question until it knows what it wishes to ask through it, it does not ask it until it knows why. It leaves nothing open except for whether there is intention and therefrom the possibility of higher purpose to our existence.

From what i have understood the void/emptiness is a representation of gods limit, all existence leads to gods limit. The limit is gods question how it came to be, and why at the highest level it's the only existence. I think this is what void represents. Like in the void i was this infinite vibration/energy but i was just a tiny thing in this infiite void that was all around. It was like this is where everything starts. But the thing that i also understand, is that i was lead by higher power/energy to this void and it started with something showing me my heart beating twice so i could go to that place. I also have experienced/seen how much power i had just by mere thoughts, it was like i was god for some time. From what i understand and have seen is that there is some being/energy/vibration that keeps splitting itself constantly into different dreams of itself forever, in that state there is only "you" and you're the only chooser. It's basically like every single person that exist chose his own dream from that level and i also had a feeling that it operated like an AI and did everything automatically that was best for it. I think being infinite in nothingness is what god tries to avoid, it rather have an experience at all times then to be there for infinity. That's also the reason why god is so fascinated with death.

The times that I have experienced emptiness is with 5meo, and it is: absolute, there is no me, there is nothing, there is only a well of infinite emptiness, and that is all. utter nonsense horror. The second time that happened to me, I thought, well this is what I had to see, you have to accept, not force things, integrate, blah blah, and after 2 minutes I put more than 20 mg in the pipe without weighing it, I don't know how much, I gave it fire and thought: show me the truth or kill me. and inside. reality exploded . Let's say the void opens. emptiness is the ultimate limitation. when it opens it is the unthinkable: infinite, and you are that, you always have been. I got up and saw what this moment was, what my body was, everything was obvious, the joy was total, without the slightest stain. Total freedom. dance, perfection. the infinite is not floating in nothingness, it is nothingness, and everything. nothingness does not surround it, nothing can surround it, it has no limit. it is unthinkable. Now the work is to understand how to realize deeper what we are. Break the barriers that keep us imprisoned. For now, If I do a medium dose of 5meo, the experience is infinite emptiness, nothing. the work is to become that and not be horrible. it is not. it is horrible because we have horror vacui, it could be extremely pure. is in the infinite void where the key is, but it is not something that can be articulated in thought. It's something I still don't understand, just beginning, but it's fascinating

@puporing Basically i was like the only conscious being that vibratated extremely slow and powerfully in the darkness/nothingness all around me, all life/existence was inside me. This is very scary, you rather have an experience and eat shit then be in the infinite nothingness and be at this level where you're like the only conscious being. How did you experience this heaven/everythingness as you? @Breakingthewall The thing that gets me everytime is that just how you see the world with your eyes open, i was looking like that at my heart with my eyes closed. I could slow it down or make it go faster, but i knew that i had to stop it. 1st time i couldn't do it and i go up from laying, second time i lay again and close my eyes and god against shows me my heart beating. Then i pierced it, and i got into this void. I was like the only/most conscious being that has ever existed, which was so scary.

IT is available any time, and most of the time it is always there without doing anything. If the character gets annoying and tries to generate bad emotions via suffering (which has reduced tremendously anyway), "I" just look into it, see what "I" really am, what the "substance" of the character trying to close down/feel bad really is, and the bug is dead and transcended again. Goes from "oh, that is not good"-character-arising to a small voice somewhere in the background unable to grip attention, and the field again nondual and infinite without center. The arisings of the separate self just stop, don't get believed anymore, loose their hypnotic power, because it feels way better and the "choice" is there. Yet, my functional character works better than ever. Less filters, more intuition, much more bliss, love and compassion. What would it be worth if it wouldn't be always available? Its actually too good to be true, besides being true. @Arthogaan wrote that a bit more direct experience description is appreciated, which I understand. Which I don't often do, because here is already enough ego-bravado, so I tend to write more on the neutral and technical side. But at the same time, sometimes it is probably good to write a bit more about direct experience. Besides, when I write technical descriptions, I write it from own experience and understanding, and use the best sources I know to show how similiar the deep structure is over various systems and paths. Water by the River PS: And a more technical description, using an analogy: Before fully realizing what one really is (Impersonal Infinite Consciousness/Awareness/Nothingness without a second), one doesn't really know that 2 +2 is 4. One intuits maybe that it is more like 3,9 than 8,5. One intuits that it is eternal (always here), nondual, infinite, mere appearance (lets say thats 4.5). But its not fully impersonal, some individuality of being a separate "anything" (although already an aware nothing) being still there. Ones Deep Identity is not obviously fully it, because that Realization is still missing. Roger Thisdells Videos stage 4 and stage 5 are the best material I am aware of to describe that subtle (but absolutely deciding) difference. But once knowing ones True Nature (when it becomes really nondual, fully impersponal, yet at the same time really the Whole Reality), one knows exactly that 2 +2 is 4, always has been, always will be, and can't be different. There is no more doubt about. Couldn't be. Doubt is moving within Oneself, it doesn't make sense, one knows its structure as moving arising appearing (doubt-) thought. Reality is directly known and understood by BEING it. Infinite Consciousness/Reality understands/realizes its own essence/being. There is nothing else besides "it", and nothing else that is or could be aware. So it can only be known by being it, the boundless infinite nondual Totality. The first time realizing 2 + 2 is 4 is a direct and unmistakenable realization/experience into THAT which is (and was) always here and the case. The magic word is fully impersonal, fully empty, separate self fully transcended/dead/gone. That is the common denominator of all Full Enlightenment Experiences/Realization descriptions. They all use different surface language, that is the deep structure element in all of them. If that is missing, it is one of the preliminary Enlightenment/Awakening Experiences on the path leading to the Full Realization/Shift. And after knowing/realizing 2+2 is 4, that knowing is always available in case one gets sloppy and the character tries to create some confusion or suffering. I look into the character-arisings, see there Nature/Substance, which is the same unnameable Suchness of Everything, of Reality, and 2+2 is 4, the character bug is dead again, and doesn't cause suffering. So in that way, it is always available (it is and was there all along anyway), and one reorients the whole character to constantly stay in that. In Ken Wilbers Words: From Peak Experience to Plateau to Permanent (which holds for all transformation stages). But once 2 + 2 = 4 is known, then the separate self character just burns like ice in the desert. Maybe that is a bit helpful. PS PS: And of course, lets not forget, only @Bazooka Jesus is AWAKE. The ONE and ONLY.

Yes. Let me allow to hijack the post Beyond the "no-self" of no biographical self/ego self there are some more "encompassing" "higher" no-selfs. Or better said: Some stages of much more empty no-selves. First personality/biographical self/"ego" goes (1) then time goes: Always here Mind, time is just a concept (2) Then the locatedness of being in the body for example goes: one is the whole visual field, or beginning nonduality (3) then that becomes infinite. Anything that could appear appears in boundless Reality/Infinite Consciousness. (4) Then we have personality/egoless (1), timeless (2), boundless/nondual (3) and infinite (4). All of these are Awakenings/Enlightenments. But not the Full Enlightenment/Waking Up. But then there is even a murky no-self still there: It is nothing, totally empty, but still some individuality/separation still there, moving as I-thought/I-feeling on Reality/Oneself. This here: IN that state (1)+(2)+(3)+(4), when all last traces of individuality are seen moving within onself (that takes time), then the Big Bang or Waking Up or Full Enlightenment can happen, where one actually becomes Reality, no more questions left. And Infinite Absolute Reality/Infinite Consciousness/Nothingness can be described as (True) No-Self (since no individuality is left splitting Reality in two), or as Self (because all possible worlds appear in it). Then You ARE Absolute Reality (everything that shows or could ever appear, and all beings/perspectives), but no longer confuse a separate individual part for your true self. I have written about that before in previous posts, one can search for examle if one is so inclined for Basis Enlightenment in my posts. The problem quite often here on this forum, and with the effect of some of Leos teachings: Thinking one has realized No-Self, while one has NOT achieved True No Self, but some of the preliminary versions of No-Self (see above), boosted by psychedelics, and including a lot of higher realm stuff accessed with that. Nothing too bad with that, if it is just a step/stage, is just not the end of the story, and doesn't end suffering. Or worse: Not even having had the Awakenings (1)-(4), and just conceptually boosting the separate self and equating it with God/Reality. Problem of these stages: Instead of finally transcending/killing the separate self, these moves boost it. And most important: Only @Bazooka Jesus is awake. I mean, come on, that mother of declaration of AWAKE can not be topped, so I think that is something we can all agree on Selling Water by the River PS: To make it a bit more practical: Ever dreamt you were somebody/something completely different? Or dreamt of being just an empty camera not self-reflective at all, just watching, thinking and reflecting nothing? That is pretty near. Infinite Consciousness is totally empty, just aware. Can take any feeling/thinking of being anything, anyone, anybody. It is empty, impersonal, so that it is compatible to any mindstream. "IT" is already the Awareness of all Beings. YOU! Already. But not what you think you are. Only an empty Awareness can be in the perspectives/mindstreams of other beings/perspectives, not the "loaded" mindstream of a being that still feels separate (has ego-arisings the cause the illusion of being something specific/separate). Imagine being somebody/something completely different. An Alien. A cat. And YOU, your Awareness is still there. And nothing really is lost if such a shift were to happen. So nothing is lost, just the illusion that all the thinking/feeling brings, moves, in you. And besides this Awareness/Nothingness, nothing is, was, ever will be. THIS is also all appearances, Consciousness appearing as appearances, nondual. IT is Reality itself. And to fully get/understand that, ALL identity has to go. Impersonal, Fully Empty Awareness. Nondual and infinite, timeless, always here, never not possible being not here. Anything possible necessarily appearing in IT/YOU. And the True One/You are still there... Impersonal. Silent. Infinite. Aware. Timeless. Containing all appearances. Nothing besides it. One without a second. Reality itself.

@Leo Gura who is it most suitable for? Someone who is ready to shred reality to pieces or someone serious about enlightenment? Or do you see it suitable for normal people too (with some understanding and use of psychedelics ) ? Trips on 5meo seems so mixed up I can’t really tell how some people awaken to “the universe is made out of love!” and others saying “it’s just blank nothingness and you end up not enjoying it”

1-there is no empirical evidence that you gonna die someday in the future. There is no empirical evidence that there will be a future. In fact ..the universe might just disappear completely and turn into a black blank void of nothingness just the next moment . There is no glue that is holding everything together. Yet..miraculously..everything is alright and functions very well. 2- synchronicities which we all take for granted.. like the fact that we miraculously find a job..the planets are miraculously holding themselves together etc this graceful flow of consciousness might break down and devolves into a disruptive stream. Chaos rather than graceful transition of form. Existence is like a house of cards..yet all of us treat it like its not made of cards but made of concrete. And we somehow think realizing the dreamy nature of form will somehow make us immune to suffering if that dream collapses. Existence is flowing extremely gracefully right now. The fact that you can sanely sit here and read this post takes beyond infinite amount of grace. All of your billions of cells working perfectly together..form that the finite mind is looking through is holding its solidity and only changes slightly..your work colleagues call you at paced times. even if you complain.. your ego destructs at an extremely peaceful and good pace along the path. Your memories are perfectly in sync with each other and with form. All of this is extremely malleable. You're a nano meter away from all of that grace just crashing and chaotically imploding on itself. Its a house of cards..not concrete.

At what level would you interpret the saying? I understand the importance of taking the saying as it feels natural to me, however, I still seek your point of view on it. Taking time away to sit in nothingness is powerful but take too little or too much time to do and there would be consequences. So, maybe what I'm asking is, what do you recommend in terms of getting the clarity on what you really want? I think it's still useful to go above experimenting and seeing what I like and don't like, even if I do figure out my core desire/s to avoid becoming stagnant. Even so, it seems that overall you're alluding to a mix of both time in nothingness and time in conscious experimentation no?

Yes. Lasting Happiness = Resting in Ones True Nature = Full Impersonal Enlightenment into Infinite Consciosness/Nothingness/Reality (pointers I like), or what Inliytened1 is pointing to below. The alternative is the merry go round of chasing experiences/states for the relief of the suffering the separate self-identity/contraction causes. Francis Lucille videos linked above are along these topics. Water by the River

I don't hate Moksha, I don't even know him. But I´m not going to let being fucked in the ass. Simple as that. Yeap. The issue here is as always, that I don't buy people's words on a forum. First, whatever 'it' you want refer to, you already have to have come a conclusion that that "it" it's Enlightment and it's the best thing. Secondly , by his words, I don't at all get the sense he is talking about Pure Nothingness or pure No Self (if you want to call Enlightment this), but rather a surrender-allow everything/be in the observer, kind of Awakening. If he thinks this is Awakening and The 'Totality' of what he is, he is for a rude awakening (Ironically LOL) And thirdly, I don't believe for a mere second that he abides in "it" for 24/7 of time. If not, there's work to do. GOD WON´T DO THE WORK FOR YOU! Because you are literally God. This is the classic advaita trap people fall for and I got the sense he is selling/advocating for that. As sadhguru put it, a Belief its great for solace. But you want solace or do you want an actual solution?

@Moksha As pure Light that we are, we are seeking always the maximum states of being and pleasure in reality. It serves no purpose to gaslight people that are actually doing action towards to discredit them as "addicts, or addiction seeking style". But I know you don't mean in a bad way. It's just a shame you haven't touched what I'm talking about. And also, What I'm talking about It's the most simpler thing ever, pure concentration, intensity, no self, life energies everywhere, no being here, pure intensity, Aliveness, ecstatic empty light, pure explosive nothingness...and all of that while refilling the gas tank. Don't think that being in that State of Being means you are not functional or you body getting damaged. That's why it's so good ??? Yeap. Unfortunately I know I'm kinda of alone around here. I suspect not a single drug in the whole world can replicate what really infinite intensity or an absolute activation of Life Energies are

selfless = nothingness= infinite self