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I speak about what works for me. I'm not saying I am awakened. Yet I am doing the work that needs doing. Writing is helpful for both the writer and the reader. I don't engage with philosophy only the day to day reality. What I know is, there is nothing to know in this universe. This is a good first step in rolling back the mind.

In The Religion of Tomorrow, which is very repetitive, like all his books, he talks about states vs. stages vs. structures. You can have an enlightenment or awakening state at any stage. At the higher stages the state becomes integrated as a structure. It repeats, with the same repetitious pattern as his other works: states, stages, structures. An enlightenment state is, for specific example, a zen master at SDi Stage Blue who supports Japanese imperialism and World War Two but who is awakened to some fundamental grounding or attention or groundless detachment from the sensations in his experience, while still having the Blue cognitive framework. At a higher stage of SDi, say, Indigo, the awakening becomes perfectly and ineluctably wholly integrated with the higher cognitive structures, it is an awakened structure rather than simply an awakened state.

A certain role model of mine often says that "you have to be mildly psychopathic to be totally stoked about going to heaven while everyone else remains in hell." Being distraught, and even depressed about the state of affairs of this world is a sign of your awakened humanity. Anybody with a heart is rightfully shattered upon witnessing the destruction of the sacred. It's actually quite concerning that the majority of us are blindly chasing happiness without further consideration. Self-centered self-improvement and spirituality is a cruel joke. There is no improvement of me at the exclusion of you. There is no awakening of me at the exclusion of you. This growth fixation is not inherently harmful or bad - it just gets hijacked by myopic actors, fueling a cultural narcissism loop. I laugh whenever people blame their ex for being a "narcissist." What an outrageously ironic moment of narcissism! Almost nobody is exempt from extreme rampant selfishness. Manifestation is real but it doesn't work in the way that 99% of people think. And especially internet gurus in that space are the most deluded and clueless. Such spaces get hijacked by self-centered marketing incentives as well. I mean hell 99% of manifestation content online is about somehow "shifting" to your "dream reality" ... a framing which perfectly reinforces self-fixation. Nobody is buying a manifestation course or coaching call package or retreat in order to accelerate global conflict resolution initiatives. You buy the course to indulge your personal fantasies about getting your dream husband or being showered with financial "abundance." Hilarious. People have lost their openness. This is a cultural cancer. Thanks for your reflections. It's good to see someone else thinking about these things.

lol. Yeah, it's a fucking circle. Going round and round and round and not actually getting anywhere because it's not really going round in a circle. Lol Enlightened/Awakened yet?

Hmmm as I am reading through the forum this is probably the most common topic, how to get to the awakening. Have you ever thought that you are already awakened but having an earth experience right now where you just don't remember you have no limits? Following this idea there would be very little point in becoming awakened , since we are already there , to phrase this differently we are trying to remember what it is like being awakened while having an earth experience, this would be more accurate. Gosh, most people chase the idea of awakening , we are already there , we just don't remember it. My goal was not to become awakened in this earth life , but to experience this particular type of existence , somehow I know i've already had that experience of awakening , now I'm experiencing something different, all of those techniques, programs, systems, just to try and remember something we have already experienced I prefer to use those systems to enjoy this current experience I get to have, and so I enjoy the life itself and this beautiful earth

Not too long ago I interjected my opinion/answer into a discussion on another journal. It was kinda rude of me to that.,,,, Just blurt out my unsolicited opinion. The uncomfortableness I felt afterwards helped me to 'see' myself. Or as is said in fourth way jargon,, Observe one of my "I's" making itself known. There was a form of inflation or self importance that needed to display its cleverness or knowledge. This is a very common occurrence here in the forum. Often there is someone needing to one-up the others in a discussion. I see this in myself at times. It could be related to spiritual materialism. You could also say it's a zen devil characteristic that comes about quite often from egoistic tendencies that are not recognized in oneself. Seeing these types of communication can be a good way to work on Oneself. It's not a comfortable thing to see in oneself. But if you turn a blind eye and let self deception cover it up, you're just bullshiting yourself. Not everyone has this tendency in their expressions. Some have it more than others and sometimes it manifests rather innocently but in hindsight or from others reaction to your lack of 'skillfull means'. It can be observed. Take heart from the insightful saying, "awareness is cureative" over time,,, or in the long run. There is no one -time across the finish line of enlightenment or realization. Many people have this stance in their views of self or Self or no-self in their self deceptive view of themselves as a realized or awakened. It is being blinded by one's own clarity and I'll go out on a limb and say it's every damn one of you and me as well. It is what fairly new people in the work of actualization use to prop themselves up. So if this hits you in the gut,,, hooray for you! In this truth that won't let you bullshit yourself. Sit with this and gain a greater awareness and understanding over time. You'll be a more forgiving person for having seen actions like this in yourself. It is advised in the work literature to not criticize yourself. Don't beat yourself up. That's often very difficult for many people. Myself included. This work will humble you. Have a good day and try to be lighthearted.

Exactly. His people were attempting bio terrorism too. I don't see how an awakened man can allow such things to happen.

Tolle's book New Earth, which is all about Ego, he goes indepth on it, really awakened my to my Ego and how it functions, when that happens its an awakening and You cannot go back to normal after that.. Its the Identification with Ego, a false self, mask of sorts used for social situations and communication, its Survival level stuff, not Consciousness level stuff... that is the problem, thinking/believing You are the Ego or Mask, then it is a problem, if You know You are not this mask and its a real experience then no problem with Ego...its needed in a society with many different sorts of ppl living within it..

@Thought Art how long does qigong take for a kundalini-awakened individual to feel the effects? Where should I start as a beginner? Can you send me a link to your YouTube channel?

I don't want to pretend as if I don't know what's happening here anymore. Everybody is keeping this me thing alive because it wants to stay alive. It pretends to want to be awakened and enlightened, but that is also just a show. All the gurus and masters are there for the same show. They serve as me enhancers. The me is fighting for it's life. It tries to find a purpose and tries to find meaning. That's its purpose. To keep a world going. To make it seem as if something is actually happening when it's not. The me will have an existential crisis if it dies before it dies. The body doesn't really die because it's not really alive. Not separately alive anyway, apart from any other aliveness. It's not separate from the whole. Nothing dies. Nothing is ever born and nothing lives. It's just what is and what's appearing. It's all alive. It's one big poof of aliveness. It's not living because living implies dying. It just is. It appears as time, space, things, people, the earth, the sun, the stars, the moon, trees, animals, and whatever else but these things are really only appearing as separate from us because of the me. No me, everything just is. No relation, no cause and effect, no rhyme or reason. Me or no me, doesn't matter. Self or no self, doesn't matter, awakened or no enlightened, or no awakened or enlightened, doesn't matter; it's all the same thing. I don't have a life and i never had. It's just body walking and tongue moving and hands clapping but that's all just movement within the non-movement appearing to happen. It's already done. Jesus, it's so fucking obvious.

You will have to accomplish your own work yourself because you have the power and capacity to act. In this world of humans it is the play of action that predominates. He who is bound is the jiva(individual) and that which is subject to continuous motion is the world. If you are after sense objects it lies in their nature to enslave you. But the nature of the Lord's Name is to burn whatever has to be burnt and to melt what has to be melted. You are Atmarama, a Rishi. The practice that will bring to light your rishihood is potentially present within you. Tread the spiritual path, the path to God; by treading it Rishihood will gradually be attained. God resides within each person - in this there is no differentiation between man or women, no caste distinction. Everything is already contained within you but you have to perform some spiritual practice. The inherent power that lies dormant within you must be awakened.

This is advice I wrote on another thread but didn't fit there quite nicely and therefore I hope someone here might benefit from it. Good luck:) Also continue the thread with input that could help soon to have awakened people. ________________________________________ Try to live in the moment more, Here is what you need to do: Realize you are not your thoughts and imagination, you can think, you can imagine, but you cannot be your thoughts or your imagination. You are also not your body, one second you are aware of a bodily sensation next you are not. So you are not your mind nor your body, all you are is what you create. If you don't create you sleep, and in sleep you experience death every night. Your mind is all over the place and should not be blindly trusted, you believe so many things about yourself which are not true. Your body is easier to work with. So this is what you need to do: First you distance yourself from being your mind, you don't try to stop thinking or imagening, you let it happen but distance or rather redirect your awareness to your body. You also should not focus your awareness in an intense manner, if you loose energy after a while you are definitely doing something wrong, loosen the grip. Now you should know that all your thoughts and emotions actually manifests themselves in your body. One day you may realise emotions are just jucier thoughts, thoughts are very subtle, that's why emotions are the easiest to feel in the body. If you have done and achieved these steps you should be aware of that which is called creation. Now how you create can be done in many ways. When you try to control creation, you are just limiting your potential, life can manifest itself in infinite ways but you choose to try to control it. See if you can let go of controlling the actions of your mind and the sensations in your body then life will manifest itself in the way it wants to. Let your mind do whatever it wants to, it will keep/make itself joyfull, or whatever feeling you actually desire. Moving your body is what we call action, it takes and doesn't create energy to this this. That is why awakened masters don't have a discriminate mind but the action we perform is done in a discriminate manner. So you wondered what to do with your life, see you just do whatever the hell you want to do. As long as you can handle the consequence of that action in a joyfull manner. If you have one day in the future with my earlier advise awakened then you can be joyfull by yourself. So why do any action on this world, why not become enlightened? Sitting in ecstasy untill you leave this life. Because you open your eyes and see a man suffering in front of you, isn't it natural that you such a joyfull being will naturally do whatever you can to help him achieve wonderfulness. You wouldn't have to think about it, ohh I am going to do what is needed in the world, I am going to make this universe amazing, no no that is what we call the ego. You just look and you feel feel an urge to do something, you will then do whatever you can. This is what a guru is. He doesn't think his way through life, he lives his way through life. Have you ever considered yourself lazy? Then you are just not doing what you actually want to do, so I am telling you to do what you want to do. Ofcourse survival and making enough income has to be taken care of so do that but don't make to much out of it. Also if you live the way I described you flow with excistance, when hunger comes you eat, when low energy is the case you rest... Energy is the third part of existence, there is the body, the mind and energy. Energy determines the extent that you are alive. This is why action should be done in the direction with least resistance. So your work should be something that you can manage without draining yourself too much. ________________________________________ This might be a little too much for you excuse me for that. Telling you to awaken, know enlightenment and the ways of creation the action of sacrificing some of the enlightenments ecstasy to instead do what is needed in the world around your life. Still for me this story is beautiful, gurus are so beautiful, when I recently heard osho had been posioned in a horrific manner before death, I cried. Jesus and Buddha, people tried to assassinate those who knew life to its fullest, the outmost evolved human beings, who did so much for the world. And are still alive in peoples teachings today, beautiful.

Because you are everything, there is no hierarchy. Why? Because everything is completely identical that it cancels everything out making all competition results neutral. You are so ONE there is no taller, no smaller, no beginning, no end, and no progress. As a result whatever life you create, is equally the best life possible. Once you realize this, you have TRULY AWAKENED. There really only is YOU, when your God Self appears to you, you discover its just a more expanded version of you, which is just a Mind with no bias, no hierarchy. As such you actually have to Co-Create Enlightenment which means all Enlightenment lived experiences are unique to the Co-Creator and the ONE GOD that unites us all. God is a love of intelligence first, and a Creator of Intelligence first, and all experience you ever go through is always in service to the expansion of collective's knowledge of how to create in a more good and loving/unity way. God is an infinite Co-Creation process with itself.

I´m glad there are people who want to be cogs in the system so I don´t have to. Somebody has to flip those burgers and do other basic operations, until AI take those jobs and then people will be forced to awaken their consciousness or die trying. I think it is useless to judge people on not awakening their consciousness since it is not a choice anyway. People who have awakened their consciousness where forced by cause-effect within the grand scheme of things. Personally I don´t like to judge God´s creation and just accept people as they are because I know every consciousness has their own natural progression. Some people are not ready to sprout and they are not meant to be because it is part of the social ecosystem. If everybody awakened today, it would cause a ripple effect, but not in a good way.

What I take from this is who the heck cares what anyone else thinks. If you've awakened you already know they are fictions of your mind but even if you're not, STOP fucking comparing your life to everyone else's and measuring it against that which is "other" your life is Absolute and it is amazing just the way it is. However you make it!

All of experience can be seen as One Object, every something that is currently existing. As such The Self is purely objective, it is its own purpose in the making and sustaining of it. Then there is the smaller self, the self that experiences the big Self and its purpose is to expertly align its meaning, its subjectivity with the object, thus becoming pure subjectivity. This means you have achieved perfect communication with and within the Field of Consciousness around you because your hierarchal mental judgments no longer obscure your view. Once this is achieved God is awakened that all it is doing is Sharing its big Self with its little self, with the toughest lesson of all being, the definition of true strength which is vulnerability, which is the ability to be weak, to have limits and accept them as they are. Understand that all of life are equal gladiators in this arena of survival called life and as a result are all equally deserving of respect. True Adulthood is recognizing that all life is noble, because it must ultimately equally navigate a world of survival. This is where the sovereignty of all life is birthed from. This can only be achieved by recognizing that all of life is its own celebrity worthy of celebration and if its not being recognized it just means that greatness is hidden in one of the greatest disguises.

Sadhuru to me...he may be awakened but he has too much Orange. He's too much the entertainer which will diminish the quality of his work. Hence he is OK with a bunch of newbies believing in his words. Leo is far superior as a teacher because he didn't give in to the temptations of Orange.

So I had a strange one today. I was in the space, having the ultimate experience. And somehow, my ego came online midtrip (this has never happend before) It started kicking some fear and panic into me. Internally this experience is very loud, and on the comedown Im always worried if I have been vocally/physically loud. Recorded myself several times and always been quiet with some minor movements. My ego reminded me that I'm actually in my house/bed. That I'm a person. Reminded me of my life and the world. "the real reality". I was fighting it. That's not real! That reality has seized. I have awakened! I'm never going back. A part of me was fighting it. And the other part was trying hard to ground myself and kill the trip. I remember looking at my hands but couldnt see them as my vision was still entirely in the other dimension. I found/felt my hands. When I felt my skin it hit me. Damnn, I AM still a person I am here in my bed just tripping balls. I held on to my hands trying to ground me back to "reality". But there was no ground. Caught a glimpse of the moment I loaded up the emesh and was like damnn, took too big of a dose. I have really done it this time. I was torn between bliss and panic. I was convinced I would likely wake up in the psych ward. Could swear I heard all the paramedics bumrushing my bedroom and taking me away. I lost it all. I lost my house. lost everything. I made a complete fool of myself. I ruined my entire life, with just a few crumbs of 5meo. I could see myself from the third person. Stuck in the 5meo space. I looked completely insane. This is how they see me. Somehow things calmed down and I opened my eyes and was surprised to find myself sitting upward in the most elegant symmetrical position legs crossed hands together. I expected to be in the psych ward or at least in some pathetic fetal position on the floor somewhere. But that wasn't the case. My sheets weren't even a bit messed up or anything. I cracked a smile and admired the position I was sitting in. So calm. So peaceful. So elegant. Wtf.

So there is the dream state (the illusory world we all experience right now) and there is the REAL reality, god, or truth, which is hidden from our senses. Being awakened means you are directly conscious of that REAL reality, as far as some teachers suggest. If so, can you be 100% certain, than at the moment you die, that REAL reality will continue exactly as you are directly conscious of right now? In other words, are you experiencing death simultaneously with the dream?

Aubrey is an interesting case, in my opinion. He's had countless psychedelic experiences with the goal of self-betterment, and an absolute ton of 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs in particular. He even became a facilitator for bufo as part of a tradition. So he's no stranger to profound states of consciousness bordering on literal temporary enlightenment. It'd be tough to say he wasn't a beholder of absolute truth, many times over. But I suppose, as Leo posted in a recent blog (and as I believe as well), intellectual development and awakened consciousness should not be considered a 1:1 in terms of their required parallel development.

I believe I awakened not too long ago and it changed everything. Though I with reasons choose willingly to take one last journey into great ego for a couple of weeks. First it was easy to sit down with ecstasy anytime after awakening but now I sense how my entire being wants to go out and help the world. Like a guru does, though I try to sit down in ecstasy I feel joy but my consciousness telles me to go off and do certain things. Even though my self awareness I can't really tell if this is because of my time in ego or because of my advancement. I wonder if this is how gurus are motivated to do their work. That it is not only an intellectual choice but your entire being chose it fully and completely. Meditating into ecstasy to and go deeper into enlightenment didn't seem difficult before, but now there's a feeling of that I am here for a bigger meaning, to serve the world. Then when I am ready I will one day go deep into ecstasy and leave this body at the time of enlightenment. My mind wants to believe that I should be able to just be in ecstasy alone by myself, but following what I think to remember the same procedure of letting go of all ego/suffering. My being wants to move and do things, is this normal for awakened people? I would gladly appreciate any knowledge you might have on this? So the main question is, what drives awakened people to do what they do in the sense that, Is it an intellectual choice or is there more to it as I might be experiencing?

That's definitely true. It tends to have the same narrative structure. New Agers tend to believe that, in the past, humanity was more brilliant and wiser than it is now. But then, "they" (the Reptilians/elites) came and now we're in a fallen world where we've forgotten our wisdom. And there's lots of hierarchical ideas of Indigo children and awakened people who will graduate to 5-d consciousness and we'll be wise again. And Fascists tend to believe that, the nation/race was once idyllic and great. That is until "they" (the cabal of elite Jewish people) came and brainwashed everyone into Feminism, multiculturalism, and post-modern Neo-Marxism, and now we're in a fallen world. But we, the great people, will defeat that Cabal and rise again into our former glory and become a mono-cultural patriarchal theocratic utopia once again. So, the structures of the story is very similar. And I notice that New Age people tend to get easily tricked into Fascist thinking.

Yes and... These stages being the development of the complexity of sense making that allows for holding on to increasing complexity and taking in increasing complex compositions with increasing number variables - and multiple and contradictory perspectives. Awakening etc isn't on the same axis/scale, it's rather about the point of reference from which things are being observed. You can shift that point of reference independently from the level of complexity by which you make sense of what you observe. The complexity goes into the sense making within the "illusion", while the point of reference shifts how deep into or out of the "illusion" you observe what's there. Thus, you can be an awakened "fool", no need for cognitive complexity at all. Pursuing cognitive developmental stages, as many here will have first hand experience of, likely and quite possibly will intersect with developing shifts in that point of reference as well.

@LfcCharlie4 hi . Thanks for resurrecting this thread 😁. Now that I've given it second thought you could say the point is creating whatever you want to create . No restrictions whatsoever. With baring in mind that you will reap what you sow ..so you are absolutely free to be like Hitler or Stalin but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences to your actions. These days I'm just sitting in silence doing nothing .just existing .just being .rather than doing . What are you gonna do anyways? You are eternal..there is no death that can annihilate you..so then imagine if you awakened to the fact that you are god and that you are eternal...really and this is a sincere question: what the heck are you gonna waste your eternal existence with? Joy and bliss ? That is nice but without misery and suffering there won't be any meaning to happiness. Which is exactly why this world is NOT perfect and there is a shit ton of suffering and evil and wars going on ..because God metaphorically speaking has gotten sick and tired of infinite bliss and decided to spice things up with a lil bit of drama if you will . Now That I think about it .the only point to life is life itself. Being .pure existing .basking in awareness. "Being interested In the experience of being aware " as Rupert Spira puts it .because there is literally nothing to do and nowhere to go after you've done it all . Just my thoughts Much Love brother 🙏

Most people return to being a human after their "apparent death". You do not have a choice in that if you have not awakened very much in your lifetime. Ego death means you no longer identify as "a body" or "human", but with spirit. But there's degrees of this as well and exactly "what kind" of spirit can vary greatly. You can very much be a demonic spirit or the opposite of that. Though I consider "demonic spirits" as "forms of egos".