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That was very inspiring in the first half for me, then when he started to get into nothingness.. I got lost and very drained honestly. I will not be involved in discussions about it, but as someone who came from middle east to America, I can easily see why the western world won't get it.

The recent videos Leo has been making basically proving everything is ungrounded, including logic has been fascinating. I posted this a while ago that all logic is circular, which was an insight that came to me after watching the strange loop videos. If reality is a strange loop, then anything inside of reality must also be a strange loop, so even logic itself. I myself am a very logical person, as an INTP personality type, that is how I primarily see the world, yet there I saw, my own world be destroyed with the very thing I use lol. It is funny, but sad. The infinite strange loop is essentially this: no matter what level we achieve, we go back to level one, and level one is also the last level. Just imagine that shit, like playing the old Nintendo game Super Mario Brothers, and just running across the screen to pop up on the other side, forever. What a terrible and torturous existence this is. I lately have said to myself, why even exist at all? The utter peace of nothingness before I was born must be way better than being stuck in a strange loop. And the fact I was not asked to come to this existence, is almost like a form of slavery I was put in against my will in hindsight. Of course I had no will when I didn't exist, and I was created to now have one, which apparently isn't mine. I actually partially feel bad I had a child and I hope my son doesn't think like I do about this life. Now I see why these logicians got depressed, some have even killed themselves, and no wonder why these 'idiots' we see in the world, seem so happy. Well maybe it is because they believe the illusion is real! Ignorance seems to be bliss for sure. Yet we came looking for truths and we certainly got them, and here we are depressed as fuck learning it. So now what? We can't even take the blue bill to go back to our ignorance. Is there a happy ending to this post? Depends. Even though knowing the nature of reality sucks, and that literally nothing has any meaning, this allows us to play demi-gods. Since we know this reality is fake, we can "game genie" this bitch and make it how we please. We can assign our own meaning and know that this is essentially the greatest video game we will ever play in. We can write our story as we please and live life however we wish. This is not to say that the matrix won't fuck us up with consequences of our actions, so we have to be careful because we do not control the absolute infinite, nor could we ever even fully control ourselves, as we are infinite. To me, it seems the most logical decision rather than offing ourselves is to make the best of this game, to enjoy maximum pleasure and reduce suffering as much as we can. WE cannot reduce physical suffering, especially if it is inflicted upon us, but we can certainly reduce our own mental suffering, which accounts for most of our suffering. And if we can teach others the same knowledge we have, we can help them do the same, and further level-up this reality....but of course, once we do that, we will be back where were started. Nooses anyone?

1. Psilocybin cubensis + Cannabis 2. About 6-7 grams of mushrooms made into tea, gravity bong hit of cannabis 3. I was young, stupid and irresponsible. Really had no idea what I am going into. I drank the tea and in a few minutes took the bong hit. I think I literally blacked out for a moment or two and when I came back I couldn't really recognize my room or the reality at all. Few more minutes in I managed to get to my bed, where I melted into all of existence and laid there as Nothingness for hours. It would take a few years for me to understand what happened. At that time I kept telling my friends: "My body was gone, my mind was gone, but I was still there!". They thought I was nuts. 4. Yes, but please have some more theoretical understanding of non-duality before you do

@Nahm honestly I don’t understand when people say ‘there is only being’. What is being? And don’t expect me to understand ‘god, superposition, nothingness.’ Please talk from your own direct experience using only your words. @Truth Addict but did it really happen? I’m starting to doubt it did.

@How to be wise The past does not exist, but neither does the present. Present is a relative term to past and future, present is a term that describes you. You, exist, and are nothingness, nonexistence. It is the formless appearance in form. Spacetime is a form. Light is a form. Etc. Quantum erasure is useful in opening this freedom.

What exactly is meditation? Facing boredom is meditation. What does a meditator go on doing? Sitting silently, looking at his own navel, or watching his breathing, do you think he is being entertained by these things? He is utterly bored! If you go on looking into boredom without escaping the explosion comes. One day, suddenly, looking deep into boredom, you penetrate your own nothingness. If you don't escape from boredom, if you start living with it, if you start accepting it, welcoming it.... That's what meditation is all about: welcoming boredom, going into it on one's own; not waiting for it to come but searching for it.

People are trying to describe the reality as awareness, consciousness, nothingness, emptiness, God or other things. Everything is consciousness the question is are you aware of that?

not bad, but one step is not clear: how is awareness attaching to a belief, holding on, why it attaches to some beliefs, some not? Imagine this, awareness (no propetis, nothingness) gets aware of two beliefs (i'm human I'm a chair) and it attaches to I'm human... why, how, who choose, how does it hold on, what happends by letting go, who is doing this...

Yes I feel you in that sense. It might be that the experience of highly altered consciousness (as with e.g. 5MEO) gives you experiences which then answer some questions better than language can. Taking Leo´s "Awareness is precisely NOT the thing being awared." Of course, the question is, how is it possible to know that consciousness is infinite and not finite. Answer: The "I" which is asking this question, can never grasp infinity as it itself is a finite body-mind. If nothing is there to be awared, Its just nothingness (which might be awareable in different stages of consciousness). Even darkness or objectlessness is something, thus not nothing.

btw. there are yogis that claim beinf aware when they sleep, but befor being born, or dead, or on things on other planets they are still not aware... Awareness beiing aware of nothing is nothing. but how can nothingness be me then?- hmm what would a smart non dualist say, who is asking that? haha, Ok, lets be serious: Awareness being aware of the hand as example when looking sharp lets you see that there is really no hand, and no senzations, evan go to the bottom of the hand and you will see that this nothing, it is made of pure awareness, and awareness is made of nothing, youre not the hand (because the hand does not exist or it acutally exist us nothing or as awarness). Everything is made of nothing, awareness is made of nothing, so awareness by being aware is only aware of nothing or of it self, so everything is pure awareness, nothing or the one and the same self... How can you know, just by experience, you can littelary experience all of this, realize it as clear as it gets, fuck the talk, it looks like the bigest strongest and most obvious truth... now turn on your brain, think, and be open that this also can be just a state of the brain that feels so, and then you delude yourself and give it UNIVERSAL SPIRITUAL MEANIG and properties... what happends in deep sleep, what happend before you were born, why do you dont see my toughts, why when we damage the brain awarenes changes and those hard questions point to such stuff, non dualist have no clear answers again be open minded, if they cant expailn it does not mean it not possible that they are still right, but its not likely and we should not take it for granted...

My two cents. I agree with @Spiral I think that the one who can't experience nothingness as in deep sleep is the ego. Awareness is always there. Because there's nothing to experience it seems like a gap in consciousness. But, consciousness also appears in awareness. They are not the same, at least in vedanta teachings. The ego can't experience nothingness, we believe we are the ego that's why we think in deep sleep we lose consciousness, and we think awareness is not constant. But we don't experience awareness, awareness is experiencing "us".

Yes indeed. The problem is that Leo and non duality teachers like Rupert Spira claim to know the infinity of their awareness. I can realize awareness being aware of itself but couldnt see a way to say if the present is only what is and it will be there infinitely or if Im a finite awareness localized within my organism somehow which believes being infinite awareness. When sleeping, there cant be an enlightenment experience to what I know. Thus, this awareness is not constant. Awareness beiing aware of nothing is nothing. but how can nothingness be me then?

Not dreaming is an indication of the immeasurable or nothingness. If there is wholeness and embodiment in ones daily life then dreaming can cease all together. This is the closest you will ever get to nothingness or that which is beyond words. Or that which can never be spoken of. Sleep for one with such a quiet mind Implies true and total harmony with THE HAPPENING Its really quite sacred

I've had 2 - 3 occasions where during sleep I felt extreme existential terror, and it felt like the whole world was slowly fading away. I felt like I was going into just nothingness, it felt like drowning in idk nothing. The ofcourse I would wake up and just remember the experience as a weird dream. I actually posted about one of them on here, but I think the description I wrote was too weird for anyone to comment on, so it was just a post rather than a discussion. EDIT: here is the post

So I experienced/got it ("enlightenment") (note that I is horrible incorrect but how can I else speak?). It was free movement - yoga - walking meditation - contemplation - neti neti method - bam. Two thoughts arose which would be great to discuss. Those are 1) As life from the "I" perspective is quite difficult, working on permanent awareness of nothing is the only work which can bring peace? 1.1) Can only this focus dissolve this endless illusion? 2) Who am I asking? Who is this "I" asking ? 3) So noone has done nothing ever..!? 4) Why are there teachers and books etc. about that? "Everyone" who gets enlightend knows that there is actually no one to teach. In teaching they´d succumb to their "I" perception and its desires of whatever sort. So people who live within society and are enlightened try to make this dream as nice as possible for "them"? As there is nothing like "a person", "my" enlightenment is the only real one but another person will say:" no my enlightenment is the only real one", why would he say that? Why would the experience talk to the "I" perception to have an interaction between them? 5) What´s the reason for this thing called "perception, experience, nothingness perceiving the perceiver/ being the perceiver- status)? 6) I am Confused/Shocked/Freed and I feel like someone who was forced to watch 10 years of television straight without blinking.

abre los ojos. What are you? A body? A pair of hands? Fingers? Legs? Toes? Knees? A nose? A mouth? A set of teeth? A tongue? A pair of black pupils? A penis? A vagina? A nosehair? A snot bubble? A moving body? A heartbeat? A vocalization? Touching? Tasting? Smelling? Seeing? Hearing? Thought sensations? A gross body? A subtle body? A causal body? Consciousness? Awareness? Attention? How about a conceptualization? A mind? A brain? A thought? A symbol? A "you"? A personality? An INFP? An Enneagram 7? A life path number 8? Gregarious? Shy? Ambitious? Lazy? Lovable? Unlovable? Perfect? Defective? An ego with a past and future? A spiritual ego? An asshole? An entity behind the eyes? God and the million other names for God? Labels upon labels upon labels. A mass of labels you desperately try to hold together. A mass of labels you are hard-wired to defend. See through the labels, and nothing's left. Go watch some TV. Look at the people on the screen. Look at the movements, the vocalizations, the sounds coming from nowhere and going nowhere. Look at their pupils, and realize there is nothing behind them. They are Black Holes. When you stare into someone's eyes, you're staring into the Nothingness that you are. You're staring into Life, into Death, into this. Abre los ojos. Where are these words coming from? Nowhere. Who's writing them? No one.

Who is asking this though? You glimpsed it because you we're in a state of "not knowing". This is why Leo says in the beginning that someone who's never heard of spirituality might have a good chance of having an enlightenment experience. Now you're trying to force the experience to happen again, your're trying to get "somewhere", but that nothingness is always here and right now.

Two years ago i hade a glimps of no self, of the truth it was 3-4 seconds. It was from Leos guided meditation, and one of the most incredibile ,,evants" in my life, : I listened to this meditation 10 more times trought the year, two times it brought up some anxiety and faiting like state (a begining of a entrance in a no self state (I think). Now the meditation is not working, I cant ,,go back" or evan deeper... I know that a part of me is loging for repeting the experience but I'm trying not too... When i experienced it I was scared, and radicaly shochet that I'm littelary nothing, I wasnt ready so the ,,state" lasted very short... now I would love to feel that againg, I would evan love the fear and what not, its so amazing and interesting but that ,,nothingness isnt happening anymore" However, does anybody have a suggestion witch guided meditation to listen? Leo if you read this, maybe you have some other guided meditations? Ps. Ruper Spira is one of my favourites, but his guided meditation are very bad for me, and not working at all (the ones on youtube), it's much like just talking or explaining the same stuff like in ,,normal" videos just slower... Here is the question, he has also some guided meditations on his website that are for sale, did anybody buy those, and are the different from those that are free on youtube? (are the worth buying)

@TheEnlightenedWon 1. Do you feel like you can understand 'the seeing', god, nothingness, etc further? Or do you feel like you can't go any further. 2. Is enlightenment beyond 'the dream'? Or is it the dream? 3. relating to ^^ Why does a technique in a 'dream' like meditation or yoga effect awareness so that it goes beyond the dream? 4. Is it possible for the current perspective/state of consciousness to ever loose its understand of itself? And go back into a self, ignorant of what has been realized? Can you feel that this can happen?

So this is a working theory for me right now... I'm going to try and word it the best my little pea-sized brain can... ya'll can feel free to tell me how completely ridiculous it is, won't hurt my feelings. Ok here goes: We have been conditioned from birth to believe that we live in a world of light. If you think about it, you most likely spent the first nine months of your life in complete darkness, and not until birth do we start to experience the first rays of light and whine and cry at the sheer complexity of it. It burns our little baby eyes, and takes weeks or months to adjust. From then on we are told that this is the world, and this is all there is. That we should always seek the light and fear darkness. It becomes our reality, and we have little control over that belief (at first). But it couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, we live in nothingness. We are nothingness. Our eyes deceive us, and bind our consciousness to this plane, which is ruled by light. But it is not our home. We are merely seeing through an avatar, which happens to be stuck on earth at the moment. We are tricked into thinking that we are the avatar. An avatar that lives in a world of light. One that needs food, water, and air to survive. Although, this is true for the avatar, and of course it will die without those things, the trick is realizing that this is not you. You are eternal. You are infinite. You have never had a beginning, or an end. And your true home is nothingness. And you can experience this right now. Close your eyes, or better yet go into a completely dark room and sit. Already you are one step closer to experiencing the true reality. Nothingness. Blank. Cut off from the lie that is light. Sit very still and try not to move. Then ask yourself: where are you? Are you still in the same reality you were in only minutes before? Go ahead and check. Touch your arm. Yes, the avatar is still there. It did not dissolve just because the light is gone. But wait, you aren't the avatar, right?. You aren't the body. Return to a comfortable position and remain still once more. If you are in a pitch-black room, open your eyes. Look all around without moving your head. You will notice it is all the same. Without light, your eyes are no longer being lied to. They have nothing to rest on. Nothing to perpetuate the deception. If you close your eyes again, you will notice that there is absolutely no difference in perception. Only an avatar following orders. The darkness remains constant, eyes open or closed. Now try to detach yourself from the belief that you live in a world of light. For beginners this may take practice, but over time it should become easier. Become a tiny speck in the darkness. Move through the darkness. Try to move what would be 5 steps ahead. Of course you wouldn't know whether you moved or not because you have no frame of reference, but still try. Put your intent on leaving the avatar and moving about 5 steps ahead. Stay here for a minute or two. This probably serves little purpose besides helping you to detach from the belief that you are inside your body. When there is light, it is hard to detach from the deception that your eyes create for you. Light snaps you back into that plane. In a pitch black room, we are detaching. We become one with the true reality: pure, unadulterated nothingness. Now I'm not saying that light is evil, or that it intends to deceive and trap you into this false reality. Light is merely a tool, not God. Stop serving the light as God. You are God. Your body is not God. Your body is a tool. A tool to explore this reality of light. (Sidenote: of course if you want to get really deep, everything is God, but you can't single things out) Without light, there would be very little experience on this plane. Without light, we wouldn't be able to witness the majesty of mountains and lakes, or the joy of a small child playing. We experience many beautiful things with the help of light. But we must also remember that this is not our true home. This is a false reality that we confine ourselves to. And for this reason, light is nothing but a beautiful liar.

There is no Self is the same as saying the Self is nothingness. It's not a thing, so obviously you can't grasp at it, but it's who you are eternally.

Have any of you ever had this sensation of being a drop of water that disconnects of whatever it was in, like that last drop of water when you close a tap that hangs in there for some time but eventually drop to the sink. I had it sometimes, not sure if I understand, I call it the "drop" and feels like there is something to do with my epiglottis and my uvula. Sometimes I can control them to help me breath more peacefully and sometimes this "drop" happens and its like a shinny 1 second free fall into nothingness and then I came back. Anyone had an experience like this ?

Hehehe... It's not clear to you because you haven't experienced the Absolute. No-self is just one facet of the Absolute. No-self is identical to Absolute Infinity and Emptiness. Infinity and Nothingness are identical. And of course there is no self, there is only the Infinite Self, which is Nothing, and Everything. You are God. God is Nothing. The end. There's no confusion here at all if you actually experience the Absolute fully. Buddhism = Vedanta = Yoga = Christianity = Islam = Judaism = Quantum Mechanics There is nothing to reconcile when your understanding is totally holistic and inclusive.

Thought and experience are the same. Without thought no experience. And to say consciousness is nothingness is an idea. As far as all of you are concerned consciousness is thought which determines experiences. If there was no memory, knowledge, and experiences then this would imply this nothingness. And we could say consciousness was then free of it’s conditioned/content/perspective. In actuality consciousness is everything the physical stimuli ‘senses’ and then thought being the response of memory, knowledge, and experience. This shows how you all seek new great experiences

People generally misunderstand what the word "consciousness" means. Consciousness is not mental activity. Consciousness is Nothingness. It is the "substance" of everything. This confusion happens because of the subtle assumptions of the materialist paradigm. Absolute Consciousness is what Buddha taught. It does not depend on the sense organs. The stuff that depends on the sense organs would best be called perception or experience. Yes, perception and experience is impermanent. Don't confuse consciousness with thinking or experiencing.