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That's really a good point & reminds me of the phrase "ignorance is bliss". And what's crazy is although enlightenment is usually described as an impersonal experience, it's simultaneously very personal in the sense that every experience is different. Some seem to have an open receptiveness to it, and it can seem quite ordinary while others experience life shattering or debilitating reactions. Even heard it described as a terrifying realization. It's like a box of chocolates you never know what your gonna get. Here it could be described as shockingly ordinary and simultaneously extraordinary but completely unexpected. In a weird way it feels like death and rebirth yet it's recognized no one is living it. ?

Um... hello. I don't even know how to justify the "life" I have created for myself. Honestly it is so ridiculous (and sad) that I cannot fathom that "I" did it, nor that it is actually happening. Current life situation/backround: - hyper religous mom + criminal narc father - basically what set fire to the gasoline was Corona, taking my one and only real life responsibility from me: school. No more meaningless small talk and homework, no routine. Just homeschool and rotting for 6 months -> Full on Depression and Depersonalization got triggered (no emotions, all my memories feel distant and impersonal) which makes studying significantly harder. - filled my mind with all sorts of delusional trash, including Leo's videos. I desperately wanted to figure out the "meaning" of life. Well I got to the intellectual bottom of it and I did not enjoy what I saw. [even went to a clairvoyant priest in Ukraine who just starred into my eyes and told me I should not have read any of this lol ] - I have pretty much fully resigned, gave up trying to achive something like finishing school or making a singular friend - i go to therapy but it is so useless because I have no routine (or anything really) going for me - mother went to tarot card lady who said that everything would turn out okay for me and I fully trusted her. Well, none of it came true. This really fucked me up even further - all I see is contradiction upon contradiction TDLR: wasted my life, turning 19 in a few days, criminal refugee family, no friends , not exactly a good future in store for me Questions 1. How do I get rid of Depersonalization? 2. Am I beyond help? 3. What would you do? 4. Is it true that deep down we always know what we should do but we are too afraid to do it so we just don't? - Katy

That’s really funny because the exact thing the teaching is refuting is the exact thing that facilitated my Awakening/Enlightenment… ? Here I am still meditating like a mofo totally aware of it’s ultimate uselessness, a poster child for Neo Advaitans on what not to do, yet having seen beyond the need to let go or not let go. Reality still holds impersonal curiosity, so away it goes ?

Shitty feeling thoughts are like a really clingy piece of plastic. You know, the really thin clear kind they wrap things in sometimes and it's like... so charged statically that it just clings to you? The more violent your efforts become to rid yourself of the harmless thing, the less effective your efforts are and the more hilarious the scene becomes... to anyone but you. You don't realize that you are what's keeping it charged. You are what's attracting it. Except there's no plastic and no you. It's not personal which thoughts seem stuck to us. It's not a personal failing. Just some impersonal static electricity. Seems like we're one of those prideful, pretentious looking cats and some asshole dressed us up in a really demeaning costume. We're just like, "Get it OFF, get it off!" https://www.pinterest.com/pin/465981892668468700/ Liberation is not about getting out of the ridiculous costume. It's realizing you dressed yourself. And it's funny. And impersonal. We could liberate the world through cat memes. We will not become higher consciousness. This already was it, the pinnacle of human civilization and achievement, cat memes, right here, right meow.

Shitty thoughts are like a really clingy piece of plastic. You know, the really thin clear kind they wrap things in sometimes and it's like... so charged statically that it just clings to you? The more violent your efforts become to rid yourself of the harmless thing, the less effective your efforts are and the more hilarious the scene becomes... to anyone but you. You don't realize that you are what's keeping it charged. You are what's attracting it. Except there's no plastic and no you. It's not personal which thoughts seem stuck to us. It's not a personal failing. Just some impersonal static electricity. Seems like we're one of those prideful pretentious cats and some asshole dressed us up in a really demeaning costume. "Get it OFF, get it off!" https://www.pinterest.com/pin/465981892668468700/ Liberation is not about getting out of the ridiculous costume. It's realizing you dressed yourself. And it's funny. And impersonal. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2782520/Is-new-Grumpy-Cat-Meet-Garfi-fluffy-feline-furrowed-brow-makes-look-permanently-angry.html We will liberate the world through cat memes. We will not become higher consciousness. This already was it, the pinnacle of human civilization and achievement, cat memes, right here, right now.

That’s the thing, you aren’t being honest. If the conditions of your life radically shifted, you’d be suffering. The fact that you're ignorant of this is itself suffering. All the stories you say and tell on an internet forum don’t mean shit when the real rubber hits the road. By transcend fear I mean let fear filter through experience without experience fighting with itself, which entails the cessation of resisting the resistance towards fear. Feeling fear so deeply it’s seen to be utterly empty, fleeting, free, and impersonal, along with death and pain, an authentic (honest) seeing that reality was never fighting with itself. Thinking the work is torturous is just a game of the ego mind. The ego mind wants nothing more than to avoid the conditions which give rise to its end. This is beautiful, wondrous work. And in fact, there is no choice of whether it gets done or not. All karma. The act of sitting down to meditate is a movement of reality, the grace of God. I feel incredibly fortunate to have been bestowed this grace - it is not only for my benefit, but the benefit of all sentient beings. If you think you’re done, can get away with believing your way out of it, cool. There may not be consequences now or in this lifetime even, but this too shall pass. All the love.

you do not exist. seriously, you think so, but no. there is only the impersonal reality, flowing. absolutely everything we think about is mental constructs. there is no war, no hitler, or anything, only fantasies of our ego that imagines that it is a person who is thinking about war. a trick. all of that is the same as a bunch of flies eating shit. reality in motion and we, the non-existent, making sense of everything, and believing that we are real. crazy?

And that Nothing is Real Impersonal "ME". Right?

Obviously it has never happened that your ego really dissolves, and the infinite that you are is revealed. otherwise you wouldn't say that. the ego are limits, if the limits disappear, infinity is revealed. This is not even remotely an idea or a belief, it is something inconceivable to the mind. infinity is scary because it reveals a truth: "you" do not exist, you are an illusion. what you are is totally impersonal and accepting it takes time. I'm on it

Why I enjoyed 6 pillars of self esteem: - I felt good that Branden included a lot of nuance in his wisdom. He didn't just put out a principle and said it was the truth. He pressed on context which I admired because context is key in the world of self improvement - it was really nice to see when he gave advice that he spoke much about the traps and misconceptions. Often in self improvement I feel advice gets too linear! Almost like they can't see outside the bubble of the advice they are giving. Just very unholsitic - felt well studied, well researched and well understood. Branden remains unbiased , with an understanding he doesn't have the absolute truth and is always willing to append on his wisdom - goes in depth on the principles. I think though he went in depth I have a lot of questions still and I think it could be explained even better. - a lot of great definitions founded in wisdom What is the connection between the practice and what does it have to do with self esteem? How are they interlinked? Why is self esteem so illusive to the psychology community? How come definitions of it aren't so concrete? Why is self esteem comprised of two definitions? How can one thing be 2?? Why did the program feel so impersonal? I honestly felt he needed way more questions to help engage the reader to understand the idea more. Worksheets Personal questions: What is self esteem and why is it important? What I would have liked to see: - I was a little dissatisfied with the practical program. Though it did feel somewhat comprehensive I wish there was a classroom like with TAs or a cohort or something. When I am stuck or confused, I have nobody to go to

Damn dude, this is really tearing you up I see. First off, I'm sorry man and much love to you. There is a life lesson here to be learned and I know you will learn it and get stronger and better yourself with the wisdom you gain from it. I can see how bad this can get now. For me it's more like a minor annoyance or one or two good solitary cries from total freedom and acceptance of this aspect of my partner I guess for me what my limiting beliefs are: "Was I as special as she said I was to her or just another number?" Her words are ever flowing with the most magnificent love, in and out of bed ,when I am with her. I know you can really trust a woman's words when she is speaking deeply from the heart. Sometimes the more logistical stuff like saying she wants to move in will change, but the sort of core of where her words are coming from are true so I do feel how deeply she loves me and how crazy I drive her. I think it's more so a trick of the mind that wants to poke at this and create doubt and fear of the uncertainty brought about by the ever changing flow of life. Deep down it's poking a belief that I'm "flawed", "weak", " a chump", all synonyms for a bad person (self judgement) and I'm in the process of letting go of that. Second I would say is sort of the beliefs I've picked up through the culture. Stuff like how women should be good girls, clean, not a slut, etc. Thing is, I've found all the really sexy, beautiful, fun, passionate club chicks that basically all these pick up guys dream of getting are not going to fit some puritanical role. They will have explored their sexuality to varying degrees. It's not out of spite of me or any personal reason that has anything to do with me, but because they are enjoying their lives and their bodies. I'm sure it's a ton of fun being a beautiful woman. It's quite impersonal. It does also sting a bit to know I missed out on a ton of action in my early age (18-27). I was never incel but was your average guy rarely getting action, playing video games, girlfriend once in a blue moon, etc. I think as men we age like fine wine and still have plenty of opportunity to have fun, learn and grow into our 40s. I still feel plenty young to have more experiences like this and my young years where I wasn't good with women were foundational for getting to where I am an aged bottle of red wine now.

All awareness is empty and impersonal. The personification of “my” awareness vs. “your” awareness is an illusion of the ego claiming credit for being the authority and central point of reality. Each perspective point of vision is a mere reflection on the surface of the eye and has the same claim to awareness as a water drop on a leaf. The human body which holds a reflection is inseparable from the unified field of consciousness and thusly intact with it. We can witness two different and still impersonal perspective points even within one body by covering just the left eye and then covering just the right eye. It is the same for a body on one side of the world compared to a body on the other side of the world, same for a deer looking at you and you looking at a deer. It’s just reflections of light. The claim of ownership over the awareness splits one from reality, placing their sense of self within the body somewhere (usually in the head) looking out through a distorted lens of perception based on beliefs carried with the body due to a claim that their past conditioning is “them”. If awareness is depersonalized from the “self”, it is seen clearly that the awareness actually lies ON the object of awareness, not within the body. There are no two bodies to be aware with.

@justfortoday The first time I became aware of this was several years ago while I was driving. It was a very profound experience. Have you found anyone discussing this topic in more depth? It actually can go further than that, still in the dream but progressing up the story of consciousness expansion — in the same way that the universe appears to calibrate itself around you continuously, actually much more than that is apparently calibrated... The “causality bubble” is also recalibrating itself around you, such that the past is continuously imagined as what it must’ve been in order for this appearance “now” to make sense. All of it completely impersonal and without condition, meaning, purpose, value, intention, or limit — which is why there are no bounds for what is “calibrated” as described; everything that could be thought of as real is only an appearance, and the status of reality, if it could even be known that there were one, is utterly unknowable and infinite. ...Total story btw, as there’s nothing other than what appears, and by necessity... but that’s what can appear to happen.

It's not something that's remembered, it's a clear recognition that this seemingly real self is a complete illusion. It's a completely personal experience with an impersonal outcome. So-called positive and negative emotions and feelings can still arise but they are no longer identified with by the sticky self illusion claiming ownership over all experience.(ie. my emotional baggage). And yes of course human problems still arise like needing money to purchase food and a place to live. Nothing matters transcends the self illusion that would immediately ask the question "so then what do I get out of it" or "so how does this help me". It's the recognition there isn't a ME, there only seems to be. ❤

You are not alone because there is no you. you play with that idea, from the self. when the self disappears there is no loneliness or company, there is only what is, impersonal, empty of content, bottomless.

Yes, I agree with you. I was doing kriya yoga, but I noticed I had a hard time staying focused on certain sensations or being impersonal to some of the sensations I was feeling. Certainly, the abilities learned through meditation serve as a solid foundation for any path you decide to go through.

Yes, 5-MeO is overkill for you. Start with lighter things. LSD is still very powerful. Don't underestimate it. Yes, you can use psychedelics to basically work through all your personal bullshit. You're not going to be able to reach God effectively until you work through most of your personal bullshit. God is totally impersonal, so you better be prepared to be totally impersonal.

Disc test Your Behavioral Style The DISC system was created as a simple but powerful way to understand people's behavior and the way they interact with one another. This system describes people in terms of four broad styles: Drive, Influence, Support, and Clarity. Although everyone uses all four styles, most of us depend on one or two most of the time. Understanding your dominant style can help you to understand how others see you, where conflict is likely to arise, and what sorts of work roles will suit you best. DISC assessments are frequently used in the workplace to help teammates better understand one another and how to work together. Whether you're taking this assessment as a team activity or on your own, you can expect to gain a better understand of how you approach the people around you. The report you're viewing now is a brief, free sample of your results. Once you have reviewed this free report, you can choose to upgrade to your full report for more depth and insight into your behavioral styles. Let's begin by taking a broad look at your scores on the four DISC quadrants. DRIVE Takes charge and gets things done. Makes decisions and focuses on results. CLARITY Works steadily and systematically. Focuses on order, accuracy and precision. INFLUENCE Engages others and shares enthusiasm. Inspires and persuades others. SUPPORT Is helpful and shows care for others. Looks for ways to assist and serve. Drive Drive describes behavior that is assertive and results-oriented. When people show Drive, they tend to take charge, make decisions, and control the direction of tasks and projects. People who are highly Driven are described as assertive, dominant, competitive, and confident. They like to take decisive action and don't mind taking risks to get things done. They may be described as natural leaders. Drive is useful in leadership positions as it helps to push to get the job done. However, it doesn't work as well for people who are in supporting roles. Highly Driven people may be frustrated in roles with no opportunity for leadership. Influence Influence describes behavior that is engaging and enthusiastic. When people show Influence, they reach out to other people to build a sense of excitement and fun. They inspire and persuade those around them. People who are highly influential are described as warm, friendly, and sociable. They love to be around other people and get a "high" from connecting with a group. They have a natural charisma. Influence is useful in roles that require you to persuade others. Teachers, salespeople, managers, and parents all benefit from a command of Influential behavior. Highly Influential people thrive on human connection, and tend to wither when they're forced to do isolated, impersonal tasks. Support Support describes behavior that is helpful and caring towards others. When people use Support, they notice what others need and look for ways to serve them. They are empathetic and compassionate. People who are highly Supportive are described as kind, caring, and helpful. They rarely have their own agenda; rather, they prefer to help other people reach their goals. Very Supportive people spend much of their time caring for and serving others. Support is useful in caretaking and helping roles. Nurses, parents, and assistants of all kinds tend to use a high degree of Supportive behavior. Highly Supportive people are less suited to roles where they must take command and make tough decisions. Clarity Clarity describes behavior that is precise and detail-oriented. When people exercise Clarity, they work steadily on tasks requiring focus and accuracy. They take a systematic approach to finish the job. People who are high in Clarity are described as efficient, methodical, and orderly. They enjoy working independently on well-defined tasks with clear instructions and expectations. They place a lot of importance on getting everything done correctly. Clarity is useful in roles where accuracy and precision are important. Accountants, engineers, and computer programmers all need to exercise Clarity to be successful in their work. On the other hand, high Clarity people generally prefer not to have to motivate other people. Your Type in Depth Based on your responses, you lead with a Influence style, which means that your main focus is getting people motivated and working together. Why Influence? Influence people are enthusiastic collaborators, driven to bring people together. Every workplace needs people who are highly sociable and lively, who rally people around a goal, who easily build warm and positive relationships, and who have a wide network of useful contacts. At their best, others see Influence styles as self-confident, upbeat and persuasive storytellers and brainstormers who create a friendly atmosphere in the office. On the downside, others see Influence styles as disorganized procrastinators, restlessly going off on tangents and jumping from one thing to another with a lack of follow through.

Look, why do you think that solipsism is a problem? I'll tell you what upsets people so much about it: What you wish for is that you are not the only ego in existence, and that there are other egos. But if you realize that not even you are an ego, then solipsism completely ceases to be an issue, immediately. "your" bubble of consciousness is as ridiculous of an notion as "other" bubbles of consciousness. Consciousness is impersonal, without a center (ego = belief that you are a separate center of consciousness). And of you understand that, the notion of "other" centers of consciousness just disappears with the illusion that you ever were such a center. Consciousness. That's the key thing to understand. It means that there is nothing but a conscious universe. Let go of the duality between yourself as the conscious agent and the "unconscious" dream. Consciousness means that there is no difference whatsoever between being conscious and being whatever it is that's "inside" of consciousness. There is neither a you, nor an other. There is no you to be trapped in solipsism. You as consciousness are everything, everywhere and everyone, without being anything, anywhere or anyone. As consciousness, you are "alone". But AS the universe. AS infinite perspective. Which is identical to no particular perspective. Solipsism won't be solved by thinking, but by actually realizing who you are. Because in doing that, you will discover that you anxiety about there not being any "other people" was completely founded in illusion, namely the belief that you are not pure consciousness.

had this once actually kept trying to see it again after a few weeks at 3 am or so when i woke up to pee. Did it every night I remembered. Nowadays when I look at the mirror, I never get the sense of "me" anymore like I used to. It's just an impersonal animal, not even a human. If I focus more, it becomes impersonality in its essence, and if I go even deeper, it becomes me, but so does everything else. and to be honest the 'devil in the mirror' only pops up if you have some unresolved area in your mind which houses this very terror/feeling/entity in its essence. You gotta deal with that. We house lots of these entities in our minds lol. Best way is to self induce a sleep paralysis state, think of the entity untill it manifests, and face it head on with love.

I've had a similar experience in front of a mirror, ~three years ago. I was washing hands, and as i lifted my gaze from my hands to the mirror, i saw an empty impersonal animal staring back. Chills went from my ass to the top of my head and i ran to bed, afraid to look at any more mirrors that night. And the next day, everything went back to normal.

You sound like liberation is ... disappointing ?? . There was no party, just a crazed rat running on its wheel thinking it was moving forward. liberation is taking that rat out of the equation. absolutely liberating. Who is liberated? The experience, that can flow without crazy rats interpreting everything according to his crazy criteria. Because there is a you: the reality, totally impersonal but existent, undoubtedly. infinitely richer than the wretched rat

I´ve heard this "form is formlessness" mantra for as long as I have been into meditation. Maybe my understanding of what it really means is different from other people´s, but to me it is a game word that has no equivalence with my experience. I clearly see as an everyday fact that some totally unmanifest, impersonal, formless Awareness is projecting "form", the manifest, creating it through the very act of perceiving it. Form is nothing but the solidification of perception, the solidification of the energy, of the cosmic "dough". But this energy has no existence on its own. It depends on Source, it depends on its "being perceived", and Source is formless. That is my experience.

Consciousness made your life personal, not the ego. It creates, and it destroys, which is another way of saying that it partitions and unpartitions itself, infinitely. It is all Consciousness. Ultimately, you are impersonal. Only in the relative cosmos is personality a possibility. Within that cosmos, there must be differences, otherwise why create it in the first place?

Then WHY APPARENTLY MY LIFE IS PERSONAL????? Since Im the universe, my Life should be impersonal. You know you Will say "well thats the ego, which has made the Life personal. What you are is Awareness which is unpersonal,One,Nothing." Cool. But this ego have some parents and another person has other parents. This ego Drives a Hyundai and another another ego Drives a BMW. Why why why if its really One why the fuck we are different and we are Stuck on personal stories until we die??? Maybe there are an infinite number of Gods/Awareness, and each of them is its own universe.