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Only if one is bound by time they speak from perspective. This is the whole point, if you are merely accumulating info you are time bound. This is a movement of contradiction, duality, and implies that the accumulater is separate from that which they accumulate. It’s not about accumulation of info. It’s about understanding oneself completely and in that understanding dualistic movement ends. That implies a total emptying of everything mind has constructed. If you don't understand yourself you are blind to your own limitation. Accumulation never leads to emptiness, NOTHINGNESS. TIMELESSNESS CAN NOT BE LEARNED FROM ANOTHER. NO BOOKS, THEORY, CONCEPTUALIZATION LEADS TO THAT WHICH IS TIMELESS. ONLY SELF KNOWLEDGE/SELF LEARNING DOES. NO AUTHORITY OF ANY KIND, BE IT PERSONAL OR COLLECTIVE CAN HELP YOU TO THAT WHICH IS NAMELESS. INFACT IT ONLY PREVENTS.

The description is never the described. The concept of the ending of time is not the same as actually ending time. To end time implies the timeless. To use time by moving dualistically leads to more time. Verbal description will never bring about a fundamental change and end the dualistic movement of time. Any teacher or sharing that promotes and introdces time to anothers mind is doing them a disservice. Only the “disciple and possibly the teacher” may not even know that is so. They will live there lives in self deception not having actually lived in timelessness. It’s about empying the conditioned conciousness so that NOTHINGNESS becomes actual. Not adding to conciousness another dogma “contradiction” and in so doing all action is born of that contradiction. This implie a dualistic movement in action, which is not a sign of one who lives a nondual life. Ask yourself, do I act as if I live in TOTAL FREEDOM? Do I live a holy life. Am I whole? Is all action “I” take free of duality, division, contradiction? Only that is a sign of one who is ONE with the unnamable/immeasurable.

its a paradox. The mind can't really talk about infinity whilst being so finite. Eternal death would be assuming a dark room for eternity, nothingness is not that.

Well you already know you can lose each individual sense and still live on. the only one that is difficult is the mind/brain. But you see mind has gaps, there is times where you're not thinkin about anything just zoned out, or you could have alzheimers disease in final stages and still be alive, or you could hit your head and have a full identity loss. Or you can get scientists to electricute parts of your brains and have involuntary movement/spasm/reactions, they can remove parts of your brain and change your entire personality function. In zen they say this: "Sweep away thoughts!" means one must do zazen. Once thoughts are quieted, the Original Face appears. Thoughts can be compared to clouds. When clouds vanish, the moon appears. The moon of suchness is the Original Face. Thoughts are also like the fogging of a mirror. When you wipe away all condensation, a mirror reflects clearly. Quiet your thoughts and behold your Original Face before you were born!" You are that before the body was born, you will be that when you die. Once you die it's like you never existed in the first place, again nothingness. Because if I asked you what were you before you were this body what do you remember? you will not know, its just nothingness.

Dude he's talking about a dark room, like that you put someone in a solitary confinment, thats not what nothingness is, its not boredom or darkness or torture. Actually i keep telling you nothingness and existence is the same thing. Everything you see right now is nothingess, awareness is nothingness. It's not a thing. You can change awareness into another word such as "being" or "existence" etc. You're assuming you know what "real" means. How do you know this isn't what nothingness looks like? If we deduct all your sense perceptions what are you left with? There that is your true self. Once you lose, sight, sound, touch, taste, smell, and mind you will find your true self, the nothingness.

"Nothing exists outside of consciousness." I love it, the irony, yes everything that is outside your awareness is nothing Ok another example: If you say bye to your girlfriend/wife on her way to work and you go to work, is she: A) in some imaginary place in your mind (e.g. an assumption oh "she's obviously at the office". or B) lost in nothingness until you observe her again through preception and awareness. If we take away your eyes her visual beauty is lost forever in the nothingness.

Actually he says: "nothingness is really like the nothingness of space which contains the whole universe, all the sun and stars, and the mountians and rivers and the good men the bad men and the animals in the insect the whole bit, all contained in the void. out of this voids comes everything and you're it." So i don't know if you're just outright lying and trolling or just so delusional you hear completely different words to feed your beliefs??? Dude make up your mind, You saying consciousness is "not a thing" is the same thing as "nothing"

@Mikael89 Because Nothingness and Existence is the same thing, this is NOTHINGNESS. You're in IT right now. How do you know any of this exist without your own bias confirmation and illusions of the mind? You're so damn stuck in ego you just dont want to get it, you just want to prove your point. What the **** is awareness if its not nothingness, define it to me. Right I am done, ran out of patience I can't tell if trolling at this point or not either way waste of time and energy. You've even bent the videos to confirm your own beliefs, go to any of these gurus and say "I am awareness" watch them rip a new butt hole into you and make you come out being more confused than ever. And yes you are aware of nothingness, which is everything else that you are not aware of, because guess what, it's nothingness! You basically say I am consciousness the LIGHT that shines upon the darkness to reveal the room, yet completely and utterly ignoring the dark room in the first place. What is more fundamental the light or the dark room? The yin or the yang?

I'm nothing. No... I'm not attaching nothing to my state of mind. Not attaching emptiness to my mind. I am just nothing. No emotions, No fears, just fucking nothing. No understanding, no knowledge, NOTHING. Writing this goes against nothingness. I am just nothing NOTHING Am I enlightening right? Lol who cares, I am nothing. Nothing to prove, nothing to do. NOTHING

That's cool most of the mystics and guru's play paradox anyway. And many talk about the nothingness, emptiness and silence. You just cherry picking because you want to prove a point. Here are some of the gurus you mentioned talking about emptiness, I will update the list Osho - http://www.osho.com/iosho/library/read-book/online-library-nothingness-eckhart-empty-38103edb-6d6?p=5f7618faff0ef1ed80aa13530a49577f Alan Watts - Echart Tolle: Sadhguru: "Everything comes from nothingness and goes back to nothingness. Nothingness is the basis of existence. #SadhguruQuotes" https://twitter.com/sadhgurujv/status/944032314698412032?lang=en Adyashanti: Mooji: "You stay as the awareness itself, but don't say YES I am awareness! No you're not, the minute you that which says "i am awareness" is not awareness, awareness does not say it is awareness" Dude I'm getting bored of linking stuff "I can go on and on"....

I've only done this for two days and it has already made huge results in my progression... When I thought (previously) of nothingness, I felt a presence but recently, reading up on the forums with other people's opinions... It's gone weird, like I'm not in the moment but am at the same time I am? It's so paradoxical

You're right. What am I talking about... Just stop being in the moment. I just meditated and I just feel nothing but I don't get it. How can I feel this nothingness? Now I'm back to my senses and it's weird...

Thanks everyone. I think i just have to get more comfortable with the uncertainty. The "it's just a dream" perspective doesn't do it for me. It's easy to take that perspective from a position of current ease and homeostasis, but while all may be a dream, one who is being tortured will assure you that it is not "just" a dream. It's also real. Pain hurts. It doesn't not hurt. And the essence of who we are is pure awareness or consciousness or maybe nothingness... yes, we are that, but trapped. You're trapped awareness, conditioned, bound. A grain of sand is the same in essence as the whole beach, but it is not the whole beach. If you think you are everything, try levitating that cup in front of you or morphing it into a cow with your thoughts. Right, you can't, so we are imprisoned consciousness, confined to a tiny little blob. We are not the body in essence, but we are certainly stuck in one, even if it is "just a dream" that we are. But I guess even if pain is always occurring, adding worry, stress, and fear won't resolve it. So we can still retain some peace of mind at least.

This is such a freaky, mindfuck topic. I've had the exact same thought, and it's scary (but also magnificent and beautiful). I believe the answer is yes. Even with the most conservative multiverse theory (which imo is that big bang happens, universe plays itself out, universe ends, another big bang happens), this would necessitate that anything that could happen would happen. And at least that kind of infinity must be the case, I mean it would make no sense for one universe to happen and "then" pure eternal nothingness. But I think reality is much more infinite than that still. If it helps, like the others have said, You remain unaffected. In fact, to be technical nothing ever actually happens. It's all just appearances. You may have had some horrific dreams which royally sucked, but then you woke up to find out it was just a dream and you were safe and unharmed.

Don't identify with the external world, the body/mind as a whole is a direct experience, a direct hologram of the whole existence. So, to feel the entire universe, one must identify with his own being. The being you are experiencing as a human, already is the entire nothingness in a mobile version.

I'm starting to realise everything is nothing. It's nothing, everything! ? My mum, my dad my dogs, everything. Everything is complete nothingness. All there is, is nothing. I need to keep expanding this shit. I need to grasp this at an even deeper level, how?

@Nahm That is a beautiful perspective you have. It is scary letting go of that "I" that constantly compares the present to past experiences or an imaginary "better" future self. It means you live with no reference points, driven forward by your heart/excitement over a bottomless cliff of nothingness.

Yeah the no self feeling is normal in deep meditation, you need to go deeper, prepare to die, this is it end of the line for ego, if you give in to thoughts at that moment or break the meditation the ego won the battle. It's very difficult to do as its not a choice of "i will do this or that" it kind of just needs to happen. You can literally meditate to the point that all your your body dissolves and you can no longer sense it, if you do it with complete darkness and silence this sensation is even better. I lost all sense of self and became pure consciousness, an indescribable energy field or whatever you want to call it, the nothingness, infinite, god, samahdi, I don't know if it goes deeper tho.

If you step forward you cannot step backward. If you both step forward and backward you stand still. If there is no duality, there is nothing at all. It is obvious. For god to exist you must cease to exist, and for you to exist god must cease to exist. Only when god and you both cease to exist there will be true nothingness. With limit the limitlessness has to cease, with limitlessness there has to cease limit. With absolute infinite there has to cease the self, and with the self there has to cease absolute infinity. To take a step backwards you must not take a step forward. Absolute infinity and finitude are two sides of the same coin. You can get lost in either of them. There is to be found boundless illusion in limit and limitlessness. Leo Gura will never cease to seek, because you cannot fully realize something that is endless. No amount of seeking will give you the truth, it will only give you more illusion, it will give you more of the other side of the coin. Enlightenment is to not be enlightened. The duality between nothing and everything. The duality between illusion and reality. There is nothing to realize, there is simply a coin to flip. One must find the middle way, the way to step forward and backwards at the same time, to stand still. There is no depth in stillness, the depth Leo is seeking comes from a step backward, when all he was used to was taking step forwards. Leo confuses enlightenment with a pathway, when in truth it is a balancing act. A perfect balance between dualities. Depth can only be found when you lose balance and fall. To fall from one side to the other, you must as some point be in perfect balance, it is from self to god when you reach stillness, though god is not the balance, god is merely the other side that leads to the same pit.

You don't need to do anything to awaken other than give up the fight. Surrender completely to everything. That's why I just accept what is, and the best way to do that is to love whatever arises. You have no control when a thought will arise, when a feeling will arise, or what a person will say to you in a conversation. So instead of surrendering to them in short periods of meditation (still do it of course!) but why not do it all of the time, allowing them to just be, through the art of being your own inner parent to your heart that you have always wished you had. My process: a thought arises? I say: "I love you", or some anything that is very kind, caring, and respectful. A feeling? "I love you". That is surrender, that is healing, and that anchors the vibration of love until reality reflects it. Affirmations of this kind change past the mental body of subconscious beliefs, because you are anchoring the oneness of your true self which is love/light/joy/gratitude/infinity/nothingness/emptiness/God. Bring this acceptance with you, accept the one who continues to backlash just so you can give this shadow the love it deserves. The ego backlash is really the most neglected part of yourself wanting to be loved, like a child who has walked up to the gates of heaven, and heaven keeps moving away just cause the child isn't behaving morally right. Are you gonna leave that child to die, or will you sit with this child disguised as an ego backlash, and feel it. Every feeling is a child wanting to be hugged and loved, same with every thought, every person you see. Just children wanting the attention they never got. It's painful to do this man! As I always say, there is no shortcut here. "I may be done with sadness, but it's not done with me". Replace sadness with a thought, or a feeling.

Only a mind/consciousness with NO-THING in it, is capable of love/and that creative movement of centerlessness. NOTHINGNESS

@Faceless Speaking of love, is it possible to be wise and in love at the same time? Or is wisdom mind and love absence of mind? And therefore not compatible? I feel like wisdom and truth goes together, just as love and truth goes together. But wisdom belong to the faculty of the mind it seems? And love belong to the faculty of NO mind, hence the faculty of nothingness. Please help me out here. Also@Faceless Thanks for your long and beautiful PM to me. Your approach to the subjects of "soul" and "reincarnation" was very interesting and rings very true to me. Thanks @Faceless ! Namaste.

⭕️= the part/finite Truth=the whole/infinite/nothingness Truth isn't split. It is the whole. Then mind is part of the whole. Percieved through the perspective of duality. But all an idea until the movement of duality ends actually. EMBODIMENT OF TRUTH. IN THIS ONE DOESNT KNOW TRUTH. BUT ONE IN ACTION/NON-ACTION IS TRUTH ITSELF.

I just had lunch, and I eat too quickly with too much carbonates I think. Anyway I went tired but I started to write on a PM to @tsuki I tried to concentrate, then my head doze off for a millisecond or something, then I continue to write, and it happened again, and then procedure continued until I decided to write the PM later. Anyway, during these micro naps, because it was so brief, I could almost notice the absence of everything, even absence of consciousness, like a short span(millisecond or something) of absolute nothingness, not nothingness in a new age fashion, but REAL nothingness, like a total blank. Like death. Maybe we are "dead" when we are at deep sleep, or are we conscious but we fail to recognise it because mind fail to grasp the "absence-of-mind-consciousness." ?

I think I need to reiterate what is it that I felt. If that is the truth, then it is scary: Life is a kind of meaningless hell for everyone - from which there is no escape. There is no loving consciousness keeping watch over us. All we can do is find another human being to form attachments with - human contact can, to a little extent, provide succour. Our work, interests, life styles are distractions from facing the awful truth of the hopelessness and meaninglessness of our existences. We can grasp at all these things only to mask the emptiness that is within us. It is all that humans can do. Death itself is not an answer - there is no escape. It is all darkness and nothingness.