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@hundreth ''The fact remains, Israel receives an incredibly disproportionate amount of contempt and hate given what many consider it's biggest crime: existing. There's nothing Israel can do to satisfy you except for committing suicide and ceasing to be.'' Past colonial foundations exist but don't discredit present existing states (Israel) that came from it. Thats not the issue. The issue is when an oppressive and discriminatory system and security apparatus still exists as a residue of that root colonialism that needs to be rid of in the 21st century. Relics of past colonialism that are unjust can't exist in a post colonial world as most are opposed to it. Just as relics of religion and tradition that are unjust can't exist in a post religious and traditional world - although we shouldn't just throw the baby out with the bath water. Most sensible people aren't calling for the end of Israel, but the end of how it currently exists. I even commented two pages back that I'm all for defending their existence and right to defend itself.

Oh, so first it was related to the notion of a "Jewish state", now you've moved the goalposts to "Occupiers" and "apartheid". So you're allowed to have a religious state, as long as certain organizations don't label you as occupiers, I see. The fact remains, Israel receives an incredibly disproportionate amount of contempt and hate given what many consider it's biggest crime: existing. There's nothing Israel can do to satisfy you except for committing suicide and ceasing to be. Because to you, it's very foundation is one of colonialism. Never mind that every other nation's is. This is an interesting video with different perspectives from people living in Israel, including Arab citizens. At 6:04 an arab citizen is interviewed. Despite testifying that Israel is using disproportionate force, and even possibly committing ethnic cleansing in Gaza, he concedes that life for him as an Arab citizen is much better in Israel than ANY other arab nation on the planet. "I am not changing the country I am living in." "Meaning it's better here?" "Than any Arab country? There is no comparison. There is nothing to compare. There is nothing comparable. I'm telling you. There is no comparison between an Arab Israeli and Arabs in other countries. I am telling you it is from experience. I've been to Egypt. I've been to Jordan." and then he continues... The forest for the trees is that despite all the criticisms, Israel is far and away the nation which treats it's Arab citizens better than the surrounding nations. And before you label this more whataboutism, this same argument is used by anti Israel voices to somehow claim the Arab locals pre 1948 were so friendly and accommodating to Jews as compared to literal Nazis. But now we're talking about as compared to Islamic nations!

Firstly, we are talking about morality. Most of the things you listed are immoral because they are a fundamental undermining of someones will. Rape, murder and so forth is immoral not simply because there is a likelihood of suffering occuring, but because the individuals do not consent to such things. When we are talking about laws, even if something causes harm, we have to be careful not to restrict human beings rights to autonomy. Sexual freedom should have a significant burden to be restricted between consenting adults, because of how fundamental this aspect is to human well being. And furthermore, we have to be as precise as we can be when restricting the freedoms of individuals. Meaning, we cannot just ban homosexual relationships because there might come harm from them to society (if that was the case), we would attempt to actually specifically find the thing that is causing the harm and target that. If we cannot do that, and the harm to society is proven to be exceptionally high, then you might have a case. But then, still we are not talking about morality but simply about maintaining society. Now, I will propose this hypothetical to you again: If 90% of interracial relationships lead to abusive dynamics, would it be immoral, or should it be illegal for consenting adults to engage in such relationships? And remember, when we target the specific thing where abuse mostly occurs (which is in child exploitation incest cases), you will probably see that the rest of the cases, because then we are talking only about consenting adults, probably are not significantly more harmful than any normal relationship, aside from the social costs associated with the taboo and the obvious costs coming from engaging in illegal activity. If you want to restrict adults from engaging in these types of sexual relationships, what you would need is actual evidence that these relationships cause a level of harm to society that would outweigh the need for the sexual freedom of consenting individuals. But you don't have that evidence, because all relationships that you do have data on now already require a willingness to engage in illegal activity, which will heavily bias this towards individuals who lack moral integrity and so forth. By nature of how society is constructed you basically are selecting for the most dysfunctional dynamics. I wouldn't be surprised that when homosexuality was outlawed, a significant amount of homosexuality was things like child-abuse. By this standard alone, we have no right to restrict the freedoms of these individuals, because we have no good evidence, nor really very good reasoning, for it. And remember, what would you consider the necessary harm to society to say that interracial relationships should be outlawed? Is it if a lot of them end up in abusive dynamics? Even if it is 90%, in my view, it would be unjustified to outlaw these things, because again, we cannot use the law for every activity that could potential bring harm to society. And we are talking about abuse here, unhealthy relationships. While this is undesirable, it is nowhere close to things that undermine individuals will fundamentally, like rape, murder and arguably many cases of suicide. If there is no clear violation of the will of individuals, as is the case with rape, murder and so forth, or an activity which cannot be consented to, we need a very high standard to the risk of society, and clear evidence for such claims, to consider outlawing an activity and restricting the sexual freedom of consenting adults. There should be an awareness here of how significant of a violation to freedom it is when a state starts interfering with your choice of consenting sexual partners. Potential for abusive relationships, even if astronomoically high, cannot be the standard here, it would have to be a significantly higher cost to society, backed up by actual evidence. The only real restriction we make in terms who consenting adults can engage with sexually, is in professional relationships, where you basically make an oath to the duty of care, or the work environment regulates sexual activity in certain ways. Remember, individuals consent to that type of restriction when they enter these work places, and they can at any time leave that type of work place. You cannot simply do this to just consenting adults out of nowhere, becaue of risk of abuse or such things. We don't ever do this. And I guarantee you, being a pornstar is probably far more harmful to someone than being in an incestious relationship under the assumption that you are consenting adults, that the incest does not come with some sort of tremendous social cost via taboo (and even then you can argue when porn did come with that taboo, it was as harmful), and that you are not legally punished for it. And the worst part is even that, you outlawing this and creating a social taboo around this activity might actually lead to a prolifiration of abuse, rather than a reduction. Most incest, in the current societal context, will occur in child exploitation cases. The shame associated around the incest taboo could very well be a primary reason for why victims of such activity are so hesitant to come forth with their abuse and therefore cannot get the help they need. This case you are trying to make is just exceptionally weak. I understand why there is a desire to make this case, but it just doesn't appear sound to me. And this is just incest, we can discuss something like bestiality some other time. That is an even more interesting discussion because there we go into what informed consent is and what makes sexual activity in humans who are incapable of informed consent so problematic. There is an even more repulsive activity (and I am not talking about pedophilia) that is currently considered completely immoral and illegal, that is exceptionally difficult to argue for why it should be considered immoral and illegal. But if we can't even get past incest, we certainly won't have a productive conversation there. But these are the juicy moral discussions that I think get to the core of moral reasoning, and I think it is benefitial to have them.

When you look into the bigger picture of how laws should be made, it's not only about being how immoral it is, but also depends on the degree of suffering it now causes and may cause in the future and whether it affects others or the society or themselves. For example, murder, rape, theft, abuse etc. are punished severely in general, because it has a higher chance of causing suffering to the victims, to the society, as well as themselves.The extent of severity depends on how much suffering it brings. Things like drug usage have higher chances of causing suffering to themselves, and to the society, hence they are punished moderately. Suicide and self harm causes suffering mainly to the individuals and to some extent to the society and hence punished less severely to severely depending on how liberal the country is. In order to see whether incest fits in any of the above, detailed studies backed by science, psychology or other rational studies must be conducted in order to see how much it affects and what's the probability of affecting individual's happiness or suffering, and other's happiness or suffering, with more weightage to the latter. Even many countries are confused with homosexual laws especially those with a mixture of rational and traditional views, because they are worried that it may affect the society and even the individuals in some ways, although scientific and psychological studies point to the opposite. In the case of incest, there are no proper studies available at all to decide anything upon it, as even in this discussion we are not able to point out large scale,well made studies. When it comes to immorality, in my opinion, for the law making bodies, there is no need to judge anyone or anything good or bad, based on the actions, even if it's a murder or a rape and even if it's done with utmost selfishness. Immorality is not solely based on rationality, and is prone to large number of biases, and hence should be replaced by laws and compassion. When it comes to incest, my personal opinion is that, it is capable of causing more suffering to the society than what already is, and to some extent to the individuals.

This April 20th, the same day as a total solar eclipse I had a permanent spiritual awakening Ever since then, I would have these shifts and releases every single day It was an exciting process mostly but I had no idea that it was accumulating into an almost total wipeout of myself About a month ago pretty much all resistance in me was dissolved and it was like I started to melt into my environment. Reality and everyone lost almost all its 3D and realness. This was not temporary. This was permanently going in a certain direction. it was horrible Then from nowhere something in me was like “you have to push yourself”. So I started to do these little workout things. After pushing my body I noticed how there would arise a little sense of self Basically something in me figured out that when you push against resistance in physical training , it produces sense of self and thus all of reality as a consequence . And the intensity of the resistance is exactly proportionate to this sense of self so more resistance more sense of self. It’s very difficult for me to explain this. But ever since then I’ve been stuck in this cycle day in day out . Where I work out and it produces a little sense of self, then it starts to melt again and I have to go back again even harder. Yesterday for example I did three of David goggings live workouts in a row. It was hard. But I still feel almost non existent. It’s hard for me to explain my “pov” . But it’s like I’m almost headless and have to be constantly maintained. It sickens me to my stomach. My mind cannot possibly grasp what I’m going through. Basically , if I don’t absolutely torture myself- I will never reach reality. Im stuck in this cycle, this walking dead thing. And my ~only~ way out is a seemingly endless mountain of resistance. It is not possible to “surrender” to this. It doesn’t work like that. When my sense of self weakens even more it doesn’t feel like I’m the one driving my steps to do what I do. I am in such deep hell my mind cannot phantom it. I try to comfort myself with the idea of suicide as a possibility if it gets absolutely unbearable, but it doesn’t work because my ability to grasp that idea is dependent on the vague sense of self produced. When I was deepest in the void such an idea is so vague it brings no relief. To make myself clear. I am not crazy. Some context I’m 20 years old woman, been doing good all my life in school and all, work full time , fully functional like everyone else from outside perspective. Lived a very odd existence from my pov. Have had telepathy several times, as I said spiritual awakening etc. All of that came to me without much effort, but the one thing that doesn’t come without effort is literally all of reality. I believe few if any humans in history have gone through this. My mind cannot grasp this, it’s absolutely impossible. It tries and it sickens me to my core. As I’m writing this my sense of self is so extremely weak and it’s like I’m standing on a thin line. Don’t know why I am even posting when nothing barely feels real. Desperation

In the sense that it bitters my mind to the point of discouraging action, you’re right. But not when I’m out there on the battlefield. It’s not like I’m talking like this to my approachees, that would be suicide to progress. This is the place for theory, and right now my theory has lots of kinks it needs straightened out before I go back into practice. But I’m sure the intensity of the practice will lead me right back here. I think I sounded like a condescending prick about the wink thing. I really do like that idea though and am going to use it. Just to clarify

I totally get that. Hating yourself, while debilitating, is part of the journey. You’re put in situations that you never asked to be put in. You begin by learning how to handle these situations, and when you’re ready, you take the plunge and let go - trusting that you’ll be guided towards your higher purpose in life. What I am referring to is not suicide. It is serious personal and spiritual work. It’s not going to come easy, not a chance. Actually, it’s easier to stay in the cycle of loathing and self-hatred. But the cost of living like that is never allowing ourselves to embrace a more expansive aspect of ourselves. I wish you all the best, and I promise you that the pain and suffering is not permanent.

Proximity to Violence And here is that post (plus some more). I'm just going to talk about some of the things that I encountered over the past year. Almost Got into a Lethal Car Crash I was driving home from a date with my boyfriend back in March. As I was approaching downtown, there were a lot of heavy rain. It was sprinkling from where I left but as I got closer to downtown, the rain was getting pretty heavy. Anyone in the Dallas area knows that the highway downtown is really chaotic and confusing. You can't just take an exit and get out because the exits will route you towards other routes. My windshield wipers were on max but my windows were also getting fogged up from inside no matter what I did. I felt like I was driving on the highway half blind. On top of that, there was also part of my route that was dealing with a lot of flooding. I drove by 3 cars down town that were either broken down or crashed as I tried not to think of myself having a similar fate. I got out of the highway as soon as I could and parked next to a gas station. I called my dad and told him about this situation and that I pulled over to collect myself and that I'm going to take the long way home via service roads instead of getting back on the highway. The first thing I said was that I'm alright because I wouldn't be surprised if I made him jump considering the weather and how long it was taking for me to get home. I didn't want his first thought to be that something happened to me. About 10 minutes later, I started back driving home. I felt safer than when I was on the highway but I had a tense uneasiness in the back of my mind as I proceeded cautiously. My boyfriend normally messages me to let me know when he got home safely. I didn't get that notification yet and I knew that he should be home by now judging by where he is and where he lived. I couldn't help but wonder if something happened to him. I kept telling myself as I was driving that I don't know anything for sure. He might also just be fine. I tried to stay focussed and told myself "Hey, you can freak out once you get home and check your phone then, but now you need to focus on getting yourself home safely. You just need to hold on for 30 more minutes" Those 30 minutes felt like forever. I was tempted to speed up on these empty service roads since there weren't many cars present and because I wanted to get home and end this as soon as possible. But I kept going at a slow and reasonable speed because even though my impulses suggested otherwise, I knew better and I wasn't going to do something reckless just because I was anxious. I passed two more cars that were also broken down on the side of the road which served as an additional reminder to hold it together. I eventually got to a red light. It was a four land road, two on my side and two on the other, and there were 3 cars in right lane right behind me. As I was patiently waiting for the red light to turn green, I saw from the corner of my eye a car that was coming out of the highway that showed no signs of slowing down, much less stopping. When the light finally turned green, I did not move. The cars behind me started honking, irritated about the hold up because no one wanted to be in the storm and just get home as soon as possible. I stood my ground because regardless if I was right or wrong about the car speed from the highway, I'd rather bee a nuisance for 3 seconds than to deal with thousands of dollars in damages, or worse, get hurt or get another person hurt. And I was right. The car from the highway didn't stop and ran the red light. Had I gone, they would've either hit me or the car behind me in a high speed from the driver's side. Someone could have died. I tried to keep a calm and level head after all of this. I kept telling myself that I cannot freak out now and I just have to hold it together for 10 more minutes. I did just that and once I got home I called my boyfriend to make sure he was alright. He picked up the phone and I told him about my drive back, sobbing as I let myself feel the full extent of my fear and how terrified I was for my life from the time I got to downtown, to the cars that I kept seeing that were on the side after crashing into something, to the car that almost hit me at a high speed. All of this was on a Thrusday night and I still had work the next day. I forced myself to go to work and then I let myself process this situation over the weekend. ------------------------------------ The Allen Outlet Mall Shooting I did multiple posts on this matter but basically my friends live near the mall and my friend's uncle worked in the mall. That man saw everything. He saw people get shot and killed and knew one of the victims. Basically, I was 2 connections away from a mass shooting victim and that fucked with my head. ------------------------------------ The Suicide at the Gun Range I was catching up with a friend in August and she was telling me about some of the stuff going on in her life. She talked to me about how her boyfriend's friend has a few friends who work in a gun range. A couple weeks back, there was a sketchy looking guy who walked into the gun range and tried to kill himself. The bullet likely richoted off something and somehow hit one of the employees there who died instantly. My friend and her boyfriend went to the scene and saw his boyfriend's friend lying on the ground while his other friend was trying to give him CPR. I have met the guy who was giving CPR once and I met my friend's boyfriend and it just felt crazy that I met these people. I never met the victim but I know the people connected to the whole situation. The following days I felt shaken up by the whole thing. I was still dealing with the nightmares from the outlet mall shooting and I felt that this situation certainly didn't help. Once again, I was two connections away from a victim of gun violence. ------------------------------------ The Genocide in Gaza I have been writing multiple posts about this matter but I think shit got much more real when I realized that I'm like a 2-3 connections away from people who had to live under constant bombardment for an entire month. I'm going to include what I wrote previously here again. ------------------------------------ The Plane Crash I walked into a plane crash scene on November 21st, less than two weeks before I'm writing this. My boyfriend and I went to Target to get some things for my friend for her upcoming birthday. Afterwards, we were hungry and thought to get something to eat. I found a quesadilla place near by and we decided to go there. Once we got there, we saw like 5 cop cars and a couple of state trooper cars. My boyfriend and I were like *wtf that's really weird, I wonder what's going on.* When we got to the parking lot, we saw a bunch of people from the news and a small crowd of people trying to figure out what's going on. The air didn't feel tense as if someone got shot up but there was a lot of uncertainty. I saw a whole section of a building covered up as well as a small section covered up on the ground. My boyfriend jokingly asked if I thought that was a body but said that he doubted it because so many other things are covered up and there are many reasons why this would be so. We were just awkwardly laughing abou the absurdity of the situation since we just got here because we wanted some quesadillas. Then I went to go check if the place was still open because I was hungry and of course it wasn't. We figured that nothing in this area was open so we went to a near by Chipotle instead. Later that night, I saw on the news that a plane crashed in front of a near by nail salon and it destroyed the car parked in front of the building. This happend like an hour and a half before my boyfriend and I got there. While the building was damaged, luckily no one in the building or in the near by shopping area was hurt. However, the pilot died. I told this to my boyfriend and I was talking on the phone with my dad about this who called me to see if I was okay because he saw that this happened near by where my location was at. I felt a sense of shock wash over me. Did I actually see the body of the pilot covered up? Like bruh.. I was just trying to get a quesadilla and I ended up stepping into a plane crash scene wtf. And while this alone is kind of crazy, I started thinking about how I had a lot of connections to violent shit during this year. I could feel my brain try to kick in and find some sort of meaning and pattern from these situations because generally speaking, the brain likes predictable things because it gives it a sense of certainty which aids in survival. The world felt unpredicatable, crazy, and most of all unsafe. I still feel this way even though that sense of shock has worn off after a day or two. But it's still in the back of my mind the number of violent events I'm connected to and how wild that is for this one year which is why I decided to write about this as an effort to process things. I know that I have this mild form of secondary PTSD from the outlet mall shooting and I'm still dealing with the grief regarding the genocide in Gaza. I feel like dealing with this type of violent unpredictability from the almost car crash, to the plane crash, to shootings since they can literally happen anywhere. I wish I could wrap up this post with a nice bow but I suppose this is something that I'm grappling with and still unsure how to fully move forward or what to take from all of this.

Japan has its own cultural norms. Capitalism doesn't operate the same in every country. Moreover, Japan whiist being capitalist isn't Western culturally. Well not in the same sense that the USA, Canada, UK, or Germany are. There are still some vestiges of the old Meiji and Edo period ways, especially in terms of working attitudes and practices. Japan's working culture is more due to these long-held traditions and not what modern neoliberalism has taught them. The same attitudes relate to the suicide forest and other toxic parts of Japanese culture. It's modern neoliberalism that's taught Western countries to value work/life balance more, including flexible working. Many countries in recent years have mandatory maximum working weeks.

In psychology there is the observation that when suicides cases are presented to the public like when a star does it or when it happens in a play (for example the play: the sorrows of young Werther) people mimic it. Therefore showing suicide cases in films is widely banned or restricted in such a way that is shouldn't be shown in to much detail and to heroic/ epic. Of course all these restriction make sense as a first reaction. But in the big picture I think it may be a loss. If will bring people who are mentally very unstable over the edge. But for mentally more healthy people it shows them ways in which they could seriously slip up and therefore prepares them. So from a holistic/ long term point of view if could be a net positive to show suicide cases more openly. So holistically when do you think is showing suicide good, when is it bad?

For me there’s two types of suicide one is the one Leo talks about which is initiated by an impure mind and is done based on impure thoughts and out of whack emotions. another type of suicide is just done for the sake of it with no intentions of ‘ending suffering’ but just genuine philosophic contemplation of the unknown state of death and curiously wanting to experience and explore it. In other words, it’s done with a pure mind and not under the influence of your emotions.

Any idea guys. My mind constantly puts the image of negative hypothetical scenarios of future, how I will angrily react in the future etc. Also during these exam days I am feeling very bad.I also have anger inside me like how people didn't allowed me to date by saying to study and I will get arranged marriage(which I don't want),. I become extremely angry when I see a couple and here in college couples are present all around me and during studying also these thoughts race through my mind - everyone has a girl except me. Sometimes I think of suicide but then I think that life is precious- once gone then can never be rejuvenated. I have painful memories from past racing all the time . How could I overcome this because I see that I am doing ok in my career and I am answerable in classes much more than those who are dating(they cheat in exams whereas I live with integrity). How to climb out of this black hole ?

Tolle does a great work, instills in you an interesting idea about how the mind creates the appearance of an experience that takes place in time, about how the present moment is the absolute, but nothing more. He tells you: one day I wanted to commit suicide and the next day I was free of my ego. Oh, okay. That is of no use, he cannot teach you how to get out of the trap of the mind because he did not get out of the trap of his own free will, it was something spontaneous. The only advice he could give you to reach that point is: immerse yourself in a state of anxiety so horrible that you want to die, and then maybe your mind will free itself or you will commit suicide. that is of no use. Ok, now you know that the present moment is the absolute. That is important, but you have to find the way to break the illusion of temporality and be the absolute present, open yourself to the total existence of the now.

Good news. My suicidal thoughts finally stopped. It appears that I have been holding myself to impossible standards and judging myself as a bad person and a failure for not meeting these standards. In this case I have been trying to turn chess into an economically viable career but I failed. I blamed myself for not trying hard enough even though I was trying to do something next to impossible. I felt like I was wasting my talent and not living up to my potential. This is part of what caused me to lose sleep at night. I will keep trying to come up with realistic and financially viable career options. I like the emotional mastery route, but I don't know if it is realistic to teach emotional mastery in schools to prevent suicide. This would require either a non profit or some kind of political change to the educational system. I'm not sure how to achieve such a thing. I tried sticking to chess because I clearly had what it took to be a master, but I was left with the financial problems. My last resort is to go into engineering which I never had any interest in at all.

It's obvious, isn't it? Most of us are trapped by some form of identities and structure we have built? For example, you have a home, a house, a career, limiting beliefs and some form of bodily illness. You cannot really just leave everything behind and create a new one although for some of you, you can. And I can too. One of the solutions is do not overthink. Some people think their way to a suicide. I have never seen a person with a blank state think their way to that. Another sol is to take responsibility for your life.

@bebotalk A large part of medicine is biased and very narrow minded and heavily manipulated. Those techniques works ? For bunch of people - yes but for other bunch of people - No. We spend days , months and years to find what would work particularly for us. Mental illness is not false , they're just sort of a approximation. At the end of day it's just theory and concept, which don't really exist but it's important for communicating prospective and to maintain an order ( sort of like money, money don't really exist but is just a concept and that concept is important in society) Let's just say for now a particular disorder is not treatment , few years later new therapy appears and it becomes treatable. Medicine says this disease and disorder isn't treatment but maybe it's just lack of study and research. So , you cant really trust medicine fully. For a lot of people, antidepressants are life saver but hey , they are the cause of suicide more rather then the disorder itself. It depends on the levels of psychological development of a person that they can and want to do the work by themselves. A stage green and yellow individual might handle their psychological matter themselves but surely not all blue and orange individual would be able to. Healing urself is an emotional labour, having a professional by your side a is great relief but you take that emotional labour in your hands if that the option fits for you.

Guys check out guyana, very high suicide rates.

@kenway That is a very interesting theory but problematic and fulled with flaws. What I know is that in the early 2000's Israel was MUCH more hated when the world was quite sure those suicide bombers are actually a freedom figthers. I live here, I was a teenager in the 2nd intifada and the vibe we got from the world then was so different for the worse. From then, a handful of peace negotiations between Israel an the Emirates, Bahrain, Morroco, Sudan. A normalization with Saudi Arabia when for the first time Israeli commercial airplanes can fly upon their country. The world today understand better than ever that the palestinians are serial peace refusal and also have a big part of the responsibility for the problem. Let alone the arab world understands this. The demonstrations are maybe more ebullient these days but this is also more trendy today to be special and fight for your truth. In Israel too the inner demonstrations had expanded quite greatly in their volume over the last decade and a half. Also don't forget Europe today is fulled by arab refugees what wasn't at all the case in 2006.

Conjectured statement in 2028: "We conclude that the suicide rate in 1850 due to gender dysmorphia was the exact same as today, we assure you social contagion is a myth by anti-American actors."

i am stage yellow in a 3rd world country. i am suffering from unemployment. its pretty fucked up. people over idealises yellow , which is not good. my situation is pretty fucked up . yellow is a nice stage , but the situation of a person depends on a lot of factors . Spiral dynamics is just another nice cool theory. i hate my life. i am thinking of commiting suicide. fuck this self impovement shit. it has done me a lot of harm than good. i wish i never did self improvement . i hate my life. its miserable . i am suffering . those who idolize spiral dynamics, drop that shit of over idealisation of a theory

I find all that harakiri stuff fascinating. Those guys were brave, there's no doubt. Not only did they have to commit suicide, they also had to stab a sword into their guts. a way to demonstrate that willpower defeats the survival instinct

Awakening to God....is a form of suicide. You drop attachment to the body without harming it. It creates the same fear someone will experience say falling to their death. A fear so intense....you cannot move.

Interesting prediction, some circles definitely push that perspective. I foresee the opposite, a fusion of both worlds. Look into an increase of spiritual awakenings happening in America. What if I told you that technology and spirituality are not mutually exclusive? What if I told you the screen of a tablet, cell phone, laptop, desktop, and t.v., is a more direct pointer to God than any of these mystical traditions? People who believe that we need some anti-technology/anti-AI movement don't understand that technology and AI actually push humanity to awakening to God faster. Even the financial problems help because it causes more suffering which pushes humans to look inward for answers, it also causes some to attempt suicide and have NDE's. ^^^And yes what I just wrote sounds evil but hey it is what it is.

Death is always avoided on a primal level. An animal doesn't need no beliefs to fight for life. It just does. Same applies to You. You'd know that if You spoke from experience. Anything is considered "good or bad" because of beliefs. But that doesn't mean there isn't such thing as right action. There is and it's purely intuitive, flowing in the moment. If You really tried committing suicide I can guarantee You it wouldn't be right. You'd be going against yourself. In fact You most likely wouldn't be able to do it at all because You'd experience fear so intense your stomach would twist. That's what happens when You go against You. You can test this if You dare. (or better don't) You are under the belief that death being wrong is a belief. Yes, that's still a belief. You've fallen into another trap because You're not doing serious work and You're intellectualizing all the time. Instead of wisdom from experience You get beliefs from whatever thoughts arise. And I'm Donald the Duck.

I like to want death and by like I mean it's painful. I actually prefer to be absorbed in existence. Distraction is the way, because distraction is passion. I am not passionate for death, I simply feel a need to escape what hurts. I do not have a threat to myself because I know that death is not the way. There is no point in telling people to embrace suicide, and you saying it kinda misses the point of suffering to the point of needing escape. you say you "So please understand I'm not advocating suicide or urging anyone to commit suicide. " but then do it, how funny you are! I am not wit the answer though. All I know is what keeps me embracing life.