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I don't want God, I don't know what that is, other than what ppl have said and the books written about God, which in the end are all but stories to me.. I want Bliss as my foundational Emotional state, I know that all Experience happens within Me, no where else, I know that if I stop all Stress Response, no matter what is happening (via the Accept all that is, Live Now and Respond rather than React methodology) that Peace can be my starting point in this venture, soon after Peace will become more intense and turn into Happiness, Joy then Bliss.. I know that my Body and MInd are just accumulations of sorts, Body via Food that I have eaten, Mind via the data input from my 5 senses, conditioning via my culture/society that I was brought up in and teachings, learning experiences(clinging to memory) and such, and if I can calm all of this down and stop identifying with Body/Mind, I can experience something else, what was there before all of this and have a more high quality experience of Life other than just working, eating, sleeping, sex, drugs, accumulating more experience and whatever else to only find it leave you empty looking outside to stimulate inside experiences and then dying...

Whant can I say, good luck then becoming god or whatever you want to achieve! My passion is to understand the mechanisms through which we bullshit ourselves even if this will cost me friends, sex, relationships or even happiness. If I would only want to be happy, I would join a stage green permaculture community and live there in fake bliss. I hope you guys will ultimately understand that you cannot jump over stage yellow, you adore your gurus, but your gurus are masters of logical thinking also. The real ones.

Religion is mostly about Belief nowadays generally speaking, some may have true experiences but it may be illusionary or such, who knows, all I can see of another is how they act and judge based on that, but I try to stay away from judging ppl as much as possible, its egoic in nature and creates division in my experience of life.. Spirituality is the science of directly experiencing the non physical aspect of what we are, my thoughts are non physical, my feelings and memories and such are non physical but they can manifest in physical ways. In Yoga we do not talk about God, and Infinity and such grandiose things, as they can all be imagined and Maya like, so we start from where we are at, I want a constant state of Peace as my foundation, then Bliss then Oneness/Completeness experience, its possible and can be achieved thru using of methods, again like martial arts training ( I use to teach marital arts),l one learns the training method, it physically produces a change in ones bodily response and ability to deliver attacks and defend, its the same with Yoga, you do the practices, learn the philosophy of its teachings, apply it for real in daily life (Live Now, Accept Now, Respond to Now absolutely), then go from there, maybe Enlightenment is more a possibility now for you, or its just a Happier, Healthier, more Intense and connected living Experience.. Some ppl in Spirituality have made it into a Religion for themselves, its more belief than anything, they have not used the methods or opened themselves up in a way that they are receptive to what is available to them via a non intellectual or belief sort of way, they think too much, put on shows of devotion and kindness too much but within themselves they are just a miserable as anyone else living a normal life..

Belief - Picked up information from sources other than Yourself (books, video's, news, papers, other ppl relating stories) related to some sort of ideology, religion, political group/system or situation happening somewhere.. Knowledge - something I know via having used/been there, in either in a physical way (think marital arts training, it first is a concept, then you train then use it), or mental way (I don't know math, I learn math, then I use math), or something I have learning via experience, like driving in Toronto, I know it is shit driving experience because I drive it everyday for years, I know what is it via my experience of it.. Direct Experience - usually associated with Spiritual Knowing and such, its a direct experience of Bliss, or Oneness/Completeness, indescribable, it can be described but the person/s listening will not relate to it unless they themselves have had a direct experience, think of a woman describing to a man what it is like to give birth, the man can relate to what she says, the pain of the labor, the pushing and such but he will never know the direct experience of having a baby and going thru the process of it, which is a different level of intensity of Experience..

I think a big challenge in Spirituality (which is the Science of Experiencing that dimension within You that is not physical in nature) is there are two core groups, those that are Absolutist, "There is only Consciousness, Brahman, Grand Intelligence, God, and that's it, everything else is imaginary, maya, illusion, non existent", now if you research Indian Eastern Spirituality, some say that everything that is impermanent is non existent, so our bodies, minds, buildings, material things, everything that will someday not be around is non existent, but is that really true? Well it may be in the long run, but right now my Body feels pretty real and not imaginary or non existent, lol, so the ppl in this camp are denying Creation in a way... Then the next group are those that Start from where they are at, they don't talk or think about God, Brahman, Maya, Cosnciousness and all this stuff, they just want to stop suffering and live a better life, so that starts with being Peaceful of Your own nature, naturally. Methods like Yoga are in this group, there is a method, technique, use it and this will help you stop the Stress Response and allow You to be more Peaceful in Experience, and well it works with the Energy systems and such, then once a stable base is there things will start to happen, life transforms... Both can work, as everyone has different Karmic makeups, some are new souls others old souls per say, so that is why we have so many ways to look at it and describe it and get to the ultimate Realization of Oneness and Completeness, Sat Chit Ananda-->Truth Consciousness Bliss...

All that is irrelevant to what I'm pointing to because there's nothing that's happening that shouldn't happen. You're still thinking there's a person inside this body that can feel bliss if they do so and so - no such thing because that will just be another passing phenomenon, of which we have no control over. My current life could be in a death trap right now and it wouldn't make a difference, to me it would, but that would be what is happening. Depression, anxiety, sadness, grief could also be there, but that still is what is happening. You're saying you cannot help making up stories but you're still rebutting my comment and bringing up more stories as to why I'm not in bliss and asking who am I talking to and blah blah. I make up stories too and I'm also deluded but the difference is, I won't go around disputing that and asking people why they're not in a blissful state or whose talking to whom or what's this forum. I used to, but not anymore. I'm not starting from the top down because there is no top down, only what is. Even if you think I'm playing mind games, doesn't matter because that's also what is. You cannot escape what is.

Yes ultimately Yes, but can You do it right now? If You can't we have to start from where we are, "I cannot stop making up stories, I believe there is an "I", I believe I am a Self".. Your starting from the Top Down method and Realization, its all Maya, nothing exist, I just Am, bla bla bla, but what is Your present experience of Life right now? If You were in realization of the Top Down way, You would for sure be in Bliss, are You right now or at anytime You want? If not then You have to start with where You are right now, otherwise Your just playing mind games! Say it all You want that this or that doesn't exist, no self, no mind, bla bla but how do You feel within Yourself right now, and if nothing exist, there is no I then who is responding, who is reading the posts, what is this forum?

Sadhguru basically explains it here, there is "Cosmic Will" the forces that allow physicality to exist, then there is Your Will, but he says to not live via the Will way, live via the Loving, Bliss way, to things because Your in Love with it, not because of Will necessarily, being Willing is helpful too though:)

Free Will is NOT about controlling all situations in Your life, that is not possible, it would mean there is a God of the bible of sorts and that he is in control, everything is his will and we are just robots.. Free Will in basic terms is how You experience Life, what is the quality of that Experience, and via that you have more access to what it means to be Human Being, you can live via the Human side which is more about Survival and accumulating ppl, places and things, or the Being side which is Spirituality in its essence, Beingness is Being here Now, where Life is totally, abiding in Bliss and Aliveness, Intense experience of the Reality that we are in, access to all possibility and potentials on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels that we have access to, you can live like a vicious animal or be a godly Saint that is the choice You have, that is Free Will, its not about physical actions and manipulations and control, that wouldn't work in a society and set up like it is here on this Earth! If You have all the control, what about Me?

So when these questions of Why, why am I here, why is there life, Am I deluded, What is this all about, it comes from a place of misery, or total unAwareness, no intensity of what Life is via experience, and the intellect which is always past/memory or future/imagination orientated takes over your Awareness and Experience, then misery or suffering is the basic nature of experience, because Life is only Now, and when that is missed misery is the only thing that can happen when all the distractions and drugs start to fail... Intense Bliss, via drugs or done naturally, will show You the intensity or miracle of Life, it happens Now, and that Now is basically Eternal, what we are doing now that we shouldn't be is focusing too much on what happened yesterday or what may happen tomorrow, completely Missing the Now! The Real question is, is this condition that most of Us are in, was it manufactured or is it just our basic nature, I think it was manufactured, the powers in this society/culture want us to not be Enlightened, not be present moment aware, but to be past/future aware and miserable, so they can profit and control the masses!

I will reach 28 years and I feel like I am yet to mold my life into something. I do not worry about being old, I just need to figure out how to live cheaply and most healthy. Then I feel that I have some juice to create what I want. Yet I can't wait when I will die. There will be no more of this. No point to take another birth (for me at least). Only thing is left to enjoy whatever nonsense here is. What will you do when there is no body and no identity to have, of course that feels way different than having a life experience, if you ever have sat relaxing from your identities you will find out that you are bliss itself.

Yeap. Like there is boringness that comes from psychological aspect, which is a form of slight depression or apathy. And then there´s the Bliss Boringness. Which is sweeter than a mango. This is the boringness that is not so boring you could say. The key is Going after Gods boringness. Not ego boringness I don´t see how it could. Simply if you have a problem God is not awake. God is entangling itself with thoughts. Which does not mean that you can think stuff to solve and so on. But if it becomes a problem and it stressing you out, you clearly are not in God Consciousness anymore. I think is obvious. Would God consciously hold a thought that make him anxious? Only if God again is deep into the illusion of 'I'.

Yes, is creepy. This experience is happening in Gods Mind. Surrender your self, Only then you can touch Gods Eternal Bliss

Lately I've been more curious about the question of 'What is Meditation' and 'How to practice it'. But the 'How' implies a method. So over the years I've kind of tried out and explored different things. Zazen, breath awareness, chanting Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh Mantras, Concentracion, Mindfulness, Yoga of different kinds, Contemplative Prayer, 'I am awareness', Self Inquiry| Enlightenment Intensives, Neti Neti, Tantra, Vipassana, other Buddhist Methods and so on and so on. During this journey, I lost touch with the understanding that meditation is a happening, a blossoming, whole within itself. It doesn't have a reason or a purpose. I forgot that. So I searched for something ... The 'Most effective / true / resonant' technique or 'practice' to get me to God-Realization / Oneness / Awakening / Enlightenment/ Self Understanding/ Peace / Bliss .... And whatever else "I" desire. So much Selfishness on the journey to Selflessness. Now after a Vipassana Retreat I realized again that you cannot "do" meditation. The Vipassana technique (as taught by Goenka) was related with so much "Doing/Work/ Effort". Completely besides the point of Meditation as I understand it. But now there is still the question: I want to live meditation. Create the atmosphere of body, mind and surrounding that meditation can blossom. With a path or a 'Practice' to go into depth with. The exploring of the wide range of perspectives and techniques is wonderful, and there are infinitely more to explore. And almost all claim that THEIR thing is THE thing. Still I feel a calling to dedicate myself to something , consistently to go more from breaths into depth. How to decide? I find it difficult to commit to only one single "practice" or tradition as many are so wonderul and many resonate. There might be value to deepen understanding and experience in one particular field (like zen, daoism, Shaiva tantrism, etc.) and really go deep with it. But there might also be value in continuing to develop my own understanding and my own 'practice' and walk my own path. Without accepting or commiting to what any authority or framework is saying. Cause that's what true Spirituality is. Deepening your own understanding of reality and developing an intimate connection with Life, Love and God. But then my mind comes in again and says : "But how to do it?" And the search for the end of seeking begins anew. But I also realized during my retreat: To enjoy the process of seeking the end of seeking is to find it.

You want to be Meditative, or at Ease all the time, as a baseline State, now if this is not happening naturally, and cannot be initiated spontaneously at Will, then something has to be done (the stress response has taken over your base state, too much thinking probably too), action or "doing" has to happen, the methods just clean the slate so that naturally You are at Ease and peace, Bliss, Health arise like the sun does every morning! Try Isha Kriya its 12 min and pretty effective, its simple and easy, if You want more try the Inner Engineering program by Isha/Sadhguru, it works wonders!

Damn now i'm getting scared, and don't know if i should procceed. I know what consciousness is capable off, and i know that there is a possebility you can get stuck in another dream/dimension of reality if you're not careful. There is a reason there is saying " path to god realization is like walking on razor" . I just don't know what to do with my life anymore. I just work/sleep/drink and have little money to enjoy the life fully. I'm also scared that if i'm gonna do kriya yoga it will change the aspects of reality forever, and i don't know if i'm gonna be happy about it. I have seen at high levels of consciousness why GOD uses ego's. And the reason is against the eternal/loneliness and his own questioning about himself, like the question what am i? What i'm doing here, how did i came to existence. That's what i saw at the highest levels. I also know that life right now, is a projection of my ego mind. SO basically life right now is just my ego's mind/dream. What's the point being an eternal/infinite avatar that just creates everything with his own mind, eventually you will get bored of that. I think @Leo Gura , is giving great pointers. Do we really want to awaken, and then eventually restart the cycle again to birth/death? Because considiring everything that i know, the cycle of birth/death might be the only option/best option. "ignorance is bliss" From what i have seen if you die unawakened for example jumping down from a building, you will let universe decide. And i saw that i killed myself from jumping down and i got reborn as a beby boy with an empty/clean mind. I don't think any avatar or god has such a clean mind as being reborn again and not knowing what you are. I also saw at the highest level that i've reached, that this was the best option. God always goes for the lowest suffering possible considiring at all the things he has to look at, and this will is deeply rooted inside of you. I saw that it was better to reborn as a cave deweller than an ascended master that plays around with his mind/himself. @Razard86

Basically what Your trying to do is discredit him, for some reason you have something against him within, probably unconscious to You, it really doesn't matter, what I or You or anyone thinks, Self Love or whatever, he'll do what he wants, some will like it others not so much, then leave, in the end if he has left this place better than when he arrived then the job is done, I would say he has done that is spades! This Self Love talk and how it shows something about him, you really have to take a look at it, Self Love in my definition is Egoic, Love is about Two, are there two of you within? If there are then that is a problem...He's for sure very Loving, this is from his experience within and the Bliss he feels, its reflective in his actions... Yes yes I'm obsesssed with him and this or that in my mind, there is a reason for this, he makes tremendous sense and his methods work, that's it..,

This idea that there is a "Caring" God up there somewhere, that You can have a Personal Relationship, is a solace for ppl, its make ppl feel wanted and protected but its not a solution! It boggles my mind how so many millions of ppl believe in this crap, just goes to show the general consciousness level of the planet, very low.. Using the word God is the wrong word to be using, its got too many insinuations, and beliefs attached to it, better to use word like Intelligence or Brahman, or Shiva (which means "That which is Not") and that we are basically this, in human form, spiritual beings having a Human Experience per say, and we can be intouch with this (if You are Your In Bliss, which looks like Love to everyone else) if we strive for it, some have to strive harder than others, depends on their Karmic makeup!

The Key to establishing any sort of Spirituality (non physical aspect of who you are) in life is establishing a baseline Experience within Yourself that is always there no matter what is going on around You, its better to be a master of ones self than a slave to situations which is the worst form of slavery, allowing outside situations to determine Your inner nature/experience. How to establish Ease no matter what? Accept Now as it is absolutely (this doesn't mean You want it that way, it just means you accept it that way), Live Now completely, use past to become Wise from, Use future to plan and create, but don't live there! If Your Anxious (fear of future), or Depressed (bitter/sad/angry about Past), then that means Your living in those mental spaces, which blinds You from where Life is, right NOW! Learn to Respond rather than React, Responding corresponds with Beingness/Consciousness, Reacting is anti Beingness/Complusiveness, this is more than an Intellectual thing,,all of these tools will make the Stress Response mostly Impossible for You to experience, when that happens Peace is Your inner nature, which will lead to Bliss eventually. Then find a everyday practice, Isha Kriya is a good one, its 12 mins and easy to do, check it out!!

The Key to all of this is knowing Bliss within, that all Your Experiences happen within You, and that You can determine how You want to be within Yourself, Blissful or Miserable! First intellectual realization is basically this, Accept all that is as inevitable, the way things are are the way they are, 2nd is Living absolutely in Now presence, use the past to become wise not wounded, plan for the future via imagination and creative forces, but realize that Life is always rooted in the Now, and that is where life is, so make that a primary, 3rd Respond to Life rather than React, this is the difference btwn being Conscious vs Complusive, one brings forth your Free Will, the other makes you a slave to situations, pick which one is more impowering for You..With all of this once it is mastered within Yourself, then You will not have any Stress Response what so ever, no matter what is going on, Your natural Intelligence will then become more available to You, You will be at Peace no matter what, and life Energies will start to rise up, bringing forth more Joy and Bliss in Your experience. Start a Yoga practice to work the other side of it, start with this one its easy and simple...

Yes he abused himself for others, that's a problem now? Don't we have free will to do what we want with our lives? You seem to think otherwise, or are judging... He's always said "Don't Look Up to anyone, Don't Look down on anyone, Just see them the way they are!", now its not his fault that the ppl that follow him see him as this or that, he's said many time he doesn't care about the stuff he is doing, its just fulfilling a need that's all, he could go and do nothing and still die in Bliss, he's also detailed the fallacy's of what most ppl think a Devotee is, its not the ones kissing his feet or bowing and talking in a certain way when in his presence, then doing something otherwise when not in his presence, being a devotee is being Devoid of Self, I think he demonstrates that quite well.. His Wife Mahasamadhi happened just BEFORE the consecreation of the Dylanalinga was completed, not after, it almost killed him then, and yes he was supposed to not live beyond 42 but here we are:) oh Sadhguru is anti Self Love, for him that makes the ego stronger, he advocates creating a state of Bliss as Your baseline state, and to be Loving!!

I recently had a very deep insight into the mind of GOD that I wanted to share. In spiritual circles we speak often about GOD being equivalent to infinite Love, Forgiveness, Understanding, Intelligence. But we often forget that there is a perfect balance of these "positive" absolute attributes with an infinity of negative relative attributes. That is to say, thinking exclusively from the absolute perspective denies the reality of all relative attributes such as suffering. The desire to live in endless bliss from the perspective of God denies the reality of the relative side of God's creation and undermines the validity of the relative domain. Almost like an escape. What I have come to intuit is that GOD's infinite intelligence is a pre-condition, but perhaps not his wisdom - because wisdom is context-bound. So where did his infinite wisdom come from? We learn through suffering - perhaps so does GOD. However unlike us, GOD through the infinity of his mental simulations (eg, your life right now) has experienced all possible happenings, including all sufferings. - every possible physical torture, - every possible break-up - every possible injustice, from being a gazelle eaten alive by lions, to being burned at the stake - the deepest levels of emotional torment - feeling the most excruciating powerlessness in the state of insanity - the pains of infinite self-delusion - and since GOD is infinitely solitary, infinite loneliness He has infinite wisdom because he has suffered every pain, and learned every lesson from every possible perspective, an infinite number of times, for eternity. And while this suffering is unending and eternal, he experiences them all instantaneously and absolutely. GOD endures infinite suffering just to see you smile - and GOD allows you to suffer because, so much as it hurts him equally, he knows that it's required for his creation to become strong and capable. This is why GOD's love is fatherly; it's structured and forgiving, but he allows us to make mistakes. GOD's infinite wisdom was earned through incalculable torment - and learning this I cried and cried. Because just like the strong father suffers and weathers the storm of his responsibilities for his children's happiness, so does GOD for us, infinitely, eternally ... and in his infinite Love, he understands our selfishness and doesn't even require our gratitude. Amazing. I'm keen to hear your thoughts on this perspective!

Yoga can orient and guide your body's existing systems and structures toward a state of bliss, but it doesn't reconstruct or re-engineer those systems and structures. It doesn't grant immunity from the world. The focus shouldn't be on magnifying such assertions to the point they hinder practitioners. Especially if many of them already harbor superstitions, belief in miracles, and a mythic interpretation of religion.

Without the experience of suffering, there cannot be an experience of bliss. It's as simple as that.

Yeap...totally agree. IMO we fall into this stories of thought because we don´t have enough clarity yet. When there is an opening or expansion in perception, is clear, that´s what we want, what we are. But then as soon as the mind comes all goes to shit. Notice there is only One Truth. One Perception. Merge into it, dissolve into it, expand yourself in it, until you no longer exist, and only Non-Localized Bliss is left. That sir, is the only game In town. Surrender everything else, every damn other thought or story, just focus on doing that. Forget other minds or selfs...you only have One Truth...make it a Blissful Unitary Magical Truth. 🙏