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1 is not the opposite of 2. The opposite of nothingness is not everything, nothingness IS everything. This is a flawed understanding, non dual experiences do not have opposites, that’s exactly what non dual means, everything is one.

I will explain Peter's stance to people who are stuck on this question. Notice that Peter says there is nothing there. He is simply talking about the highest Buddhist attainment - cessation, void, nothingness. He uses the word nothingness in his teachings for a reason. He has his roots in Buddhism. Buddha said that you are enlightened when you reach a place where there is neither perception nor non perception. I've been there and Peter has been there. It does feel like the final enlightenment, nowhere further to go. A complete dead end. Unfortunately for him and for other Buddhists, it's not the end. They don't and Peter himself does not understand God. God is Love, but they can't grasp it, because Buddha said that the void is the final step and it does feel like it is when you arrive there. You need a deep study of Buddhist scriptures and to have visited the void to see Ralston's level clearly. You can only critique and see the errors of teachers like Peter and Leo from a higher level, which only one in a billion attains, so those teachers go on and on fooling their students unwillingly, thus stopping them from breaking the cycle of life and death. Not that it matters now.

You don't understand the problem. It's not about true novelty, there is no such thing as true novelty. It's about how to pull complexity out of infinity. And again, it doesn't have to be truly random (even though it absolutely is, you can verify the nature of Free Will in your own experience) to be functionally random and fully explorative. To can still be functionally free, despite being predeterministic, which it is not, but I will not bother to even try to communicate this to you. You severely underestimate the problem of complexity, and you are actually not explaining anything mechanistically. i could not use your explanations for anything, whereas what I am pointed out is and will be used to create complexity in machien learning. And someone will get a noble prize for it eventually. You are not grasping what I am saying. I never said the system is completely random, have you actually read anything I said? I said a certain degree of randomness is necessitated to explore infinity and manifest complexity, in other words, a certain amount of freedom in relationship to function-limitation. This is how machine learning works, this is how evolution works and how creativity works. The point of randomness in computation is specifically to lack pattern. That's the point, it doesn't matter whether it is predeterministic or not. The whole point is to allow for degrees of free exploration, which, the more patternless it is, the more free it is, and the longer it requires to arrive at any given form of complexity. No, the randomness is not contigent on the patterns, they all are contigent on the source of existence in a complete unity. While Leo dismisses physicalism too much and throws the baby out with the bathwater, you are way to stuck in physicalist metaphysics. Randomness is infinity, that's what you are not seeing. Absolute Nothingness, Absolute Freedom. That's what Infinity is. I can see you guys have not done the prequisite contemplative work to even engage with what I am saying, so it's a waste of time for all of us to continue to do so. Come back after hundreds of hours of thinking deeply about all of this. You have the most laughable, simplistic understanding imaginable. Actually, knowing that both of you are stuck in rationalist type of cognition, I wager that you do not even have the requisitive cognitive capacities to properly engage with this topic. You are way to linearlistic, which the entire point of this is to showcase how reality is not linearlistic. You cannot see how the potential, the "possible future" as you would look at it, actually manifests and informs that which is "prior". To you this idea is unfathomable, but reality isn't as simple and silly as you deem it to be. It doesn't care about your notions of linearity. If you try to imagine this outside of your logic you will have much easier time grasping it. The problem is, when I put it in terms of logic, you will not understand what is being said. You could frame it this way: Freedom is necessary to pull complex forms from abstract infinity, meaning, abstract infinity is what informs (manifests) complexity in concrete reality. How that is the case I have explained to you already. And this is just a conceptual framework. This is one way of looking at it, but the problem is, it will be difficult to even grasp how the concepts relates if you don't see the actual unity of what is transpiring. For people like you, sadly, it will take actual mathematical proof to make this undeniable. You will still not get it, but you won't be able to deny it any longer, at least the core principle of it. You will probably still try to deny it's relationship to concrete reality. We will have this employed in machine learning, creating structures with biological complexity (as we already are doing), and you will still deny this is how reality works, and you will still deny this is what creativity is.

Yes, you have free will at all times but all of you don't understand what is said here or how it works. The ego is god, there are 3 levels of god. 1. You being aware that you're god and see no difference between everything. 2. Sleep dream state. 3. Waking dream state. All states are god, but you as god only live in 1 state at a time since you're in presence at all times even though you don't know. There are no others, others are different versions of yourself that are turning around you. When you start deconstructing yourself and choose to merge your consciousness with a dream character, everything else will manifest around you because you're already so evolved that it has to be this way by your will. The free will is evolution itself of consciousness, it doesnt stay at the same place for eternity so all the notions of god is love are false. God itself is choosing what to be depending on its circumstances. God is basically the same as you, and have same thoughts depending on its circumstances. There will be moments where you will notice that you don't have free will but that's because you throw these things at yourself by your will from previous past moments you have lived. When you take control as god you will see how much freewill you actually have, but your evolution lead you to laziness since you're eternal so you understand that the best way is : Simplicity, work, love, distractions. God is total mindfuck in the nothingness , when you try to put limits or notions you already failed. God is out of control, but when you try to regain your status as God you will fail with high degree since having control is not in your evolution anymore.

There is something wrong with what @Leo Gura said but is still right in some way. I acknoledge that analogies are not perfect but in his snowman analogy, the snowman melting turns it back into nothing and back into indescriminate Oneness but the snowman should have turned into a puddle of water instead. Anyways, an object can be zoomed in on forever and therefore absolute nothingess is infinitely at rock bottom. This is why no object can reach this state of emptiness even when it turns to dust and that the dust itself would break down into particles. However, infinite intelligence can still work efficiently from the top down because created the structure of objects are uneccessary to God but looking at existence from the bottom up allows you to see nothingness in everything and that everything includes nothingness in everything; that there is a full nothing and that reality and existence are absolutes and the ultimate miracle ever. If you count nothingness as non-existence, then nothingness does not exist because non-existence does not exist because it is the negation of existence but the non-existence of the non-existence means that non-existence exists. Could this mean that everything is dreamed up by consciousness because of the existence of non-existence and the illusory nature of existence? If there is only existence, then non-existence must exist too paradoxically. The only way for something to cease to exist completely is if God were to uncreate it because that is how it was brought forth in the first place and therefore matter is always conserved scientifically.

Ideas are creation. They are the closest thing to what you are. Therefore, they result in effects and prior cause... experience. They are not the experience themselves. An idea is not measured in time. It is certainly not time. It is not measured in change: Let's look at component parts of what constitutes a nothingness: No space, no time, no agreement, knowingness, source, and cause, and creation. ideas take up no space.... unless they are filled with component parts of experience. Ideas are in no-time... manifesting (putting them into existence... making them real) them uses experience... Ideas require no agreement... you have them for no reason at all... they do not have to make sense. Experience is related to prior cause... ideas are cause. Ideas are source and ideas are certainly creation. If you notice... those are traits of a dream. First you put out ideas, ideas have no separation... therefore to have limitations... the idea separates into duality to have existence... experience... disagreement... distinctions... reality (which are sets of agreements) ... It is also infinite... they are as abundant as you can dream. You dream using ideas (then experience)... you don't dream using experience. First there is an idea...then a result or not. Then there is another idea, then a thought (which is comparing one thing to another thing...which is something. Not nothing.), which is another effect. You don't suffer from bad ideas... they are nothing. You suffer from bad results... which are something. That experience is the something. In fact the ideas isn't even bad unless it actually produces bad thoughts and bad results... You see a "bad idea" is a production. Production is an experience or effect. Experience is effect... you, the person, are part cause and part effect... which is experience. Lol I was joking about experience as being doodoo, I was trolling for a response... My conclusions are...unique to say the least LMAO. I just wanted to talk to someone... thank you for reaching out lol! I am being dead serious! lol... not... or am I? ? .

A user here, @Mason Riggle, wrote something which has now been deleted, describing the mechanism via which everythingness arises from literal absolute total nothingness (if I understood him correctly). The mechanism was about how in absolute nothing there is no such thing as limit or boundary and followed from there, that nothingness can be anything because it's without limit. This to me was very strong. I have attempted to find religions or philosophies which expand upon or share this idea, but every time I find someone who says "nothing" they mean a something. Including physicists with their BS "nothing" (actually quantum fluctation), pushed as literal nothing due to the ulterior motive of attempting to rek Theists. So is there anything at all which lays down literal, absolute, total nothingness as necessitating infinite everythingness? If so would be very curious to read upon that.

Not the body but the entire pattern of existence that you are now will dissolve into nothingness. but probably immediately another more complex, subtle, elevated one, capable of deeper perception, will begin, based in the previous. Another human? Anything else better? Let's see. but probably that pattern of existence will also have to evolve and will have shit to fight against. Existence wants always more

I think this might be the fastest way to god realization and the permanent change of your consciousness state in your ego. In this state life around you becomes a miracle at all times. Things like infinite food/drinks can become your reality and more. *When you retain this permanent state of consciousness if you wish so, there will be no sleep, you're always awake This is only for experienced users that are already enlightened to some degree and know that they're god creating/manifesting their own solipsistic reality. The way to achieve this permanent new consciousness presence state is to do this: - don't sleep for 1 day - the next day when you're gonna go sleep at night take 100-300ug lsd-p1 and fall asleep. - You will start becoming conscious in the blackness/nothingness and you start deconstructing reality who you're actually are, everything will happen automatically. - Ones you deconstruct reality enough, you will see that there is no difference between any dream and this is the time you will get back to your body. - Your memory will become nothingness, you will start becoming nothingness, logic will be gone, all you have is your mind and fantasy, fantasy/imagination will be your new state of reality creation. - You will specially become aware that you were self-decepting yourself, and you will regret for not loving others enough because you're the only being. Jesus: -love your neighbor as yourself -Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you -In that state you're free to wipe yourself/ego away ones you go inside of yourself with closed eyes, you will notice that you will lose all remembrance of yourself and fall asleep in your imagination and are ready to be reborn again in whatever you create. *Warning very dangerous territory* Sunlight, your creation , won't ever hurt your eyes if you directly stare at it. Don't forget to have white clothes in your wardrobe ?

Haha Humanity is a rubiks cube. Yeah it's not "better" now, in the past, in the future or at any point. IT IS ABOUT THE JOURNEY! A rubiks cube, that itself is a part of another much greater rubiks cube – except that it's something completely else. Thing is that rubiks cube is multidimensional and has some tricks up it's sleeve. It also has a lot of plot-TWISTS Every time you think you got it it blows your mind because all parts stay the same but one new part recontextualizes everything else and suddenly it's something completely different. It's fascinating. The Cube experiences its twisted awesomeness by plunging itself into itself. And now you have to figure out how to assemble yourself again. At some point you realize that you're the Cube, but you still don't know WHAT THE CUBE WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN ITS FINISHED. Ingenious design. Actually you know where you will arrive: Absolute Infinity, Love, Consciousness. But how do we get there? That's the interesting part. GOD is right here in this adventure. 1/0 (Infinity/Nothingness) is not really that interesting. It's about the journey my friends So, Buckle up, enjoy the show and keep twisting

I once did an experiment and let a sleep paralysis "demon" kill me. I decided I will not give into fear and I will see through this illusion. It was very difficult, my heart was beating like crazy, but I let the being approach my paralyzed body and it stabbed me right in the middle of the chest with a huge knife. I let it kill me. Guess what happened? Everything vanished. The being which you might call a "demon" vanished and I was floating in empty formless nothingness. From this empty formlessness, I imagined my way into a dream, and happily dreamt my way through the night after that. That experience dropped a lot of fear in my psyche towards these "demons" and now I can even have compassion for these imagined beings in some ways. They are symbolic representations of something very deep in the psyche. Likely something that has been banished from love and rejected.

Because the way I described it is the only way you can pull something out of nothingness/infinity. I think you still don't quite understand the function randomness has in this. Randomness is the only way to actually completely explore or come into contact with infinity.

It's unfathomable to me how you could not understand this after I reiterated the point I made in 4 different ways over multiple posts. Genetic mutation is the way through which abstract objects (complexity relationships between atoms) within infinity are pulled into existence through a given degree of freedom. Meaning, that within infinity already exist all possible complex relationship-structures between atoms, and through random noise and selection for function, you pull those complex relationship-structures out of abstract infinity/nothingness and manifest them into physical existence. That is what creativity is, that is what creation as a whole is. The reason why this is so metaphysically relevant is that, how could you possibly imagine something that you do not know? Contemplate this. How could you actually imagine something completely foreign to you, something completely novel? You cannot do so by remixing old data, as that would not be what we constitute as novel data here. You can do so by selection for a function and random noise. Random noise in this instance is just an exploration of infinity, and the selection for function then crystalizes certain pathways until the function is completed. If you can describe this in math, how exactly selection for function and freedom relates to each other, you could in principle find ways to construct any object of any function that is possible within this physical reality, given enough time.

It's not an endpoint, it is a function. And you are missing the point. It's not that how we get there is random, it's that randomness/freedom is how everything with complexity in this universe is manifested from infinity into particularity. Or in otherwords, randomness/unbiasdness/freedom is the way physical reality interfaces with infinity and pulls out of infinite nothingness the objects that then will fit any given function. You can realize this is true, and that this is so obvious, it is almost laughable how you could have been so blind to this before the moment of realization. The human body in all it's complexity was literally pulled out of infinity through a dynamic of freedom and selection. This is how imagination works, this is how creation works, this is what Creativity is. The universe itself, like your brain, is connected to infinity through metaphysical freedom, which is what randomness is.

We are just talking about different types of randomness here. I hope you read my last few posts because they should make this clear, and I wonder if you disagree with that. What needs to be understood is that, given enough freedom, it will take infinite amount of time to let a certain structure emerge if the process remains completely free and unbiased. This is why selection by function is a thing, because this way it does not take infinite time, which in a physical universe is of course the only way complex life structures could emerge. Within infinity, which you interface through randomness/unbiasedness/freedom (we really need a better word for this), exist all possible objects, all possible biological creatures and so forth. At least when we talk about the infinity of this particular kind of physicality (spacetime with these particular laws of nature etc). If you were to pick atoms at random, so that you would randomly simply manifest them into space, given infinite amount of time, you could manifest ALL possible physical manifestations simply through complete random manifestation of atoms. Now, obviously this would take infinite time, so to your mind it seems useless. But you are missing the metaphysical point here. You can manifest literally all possible objects that could exist within this physical reality simply by randomly picking atoms. What this means is that, through randomness, through unbiasedness and freedom, you have access to infinity and all that exists within it. Now, you require time to pull out of infinity any given object, depending on it's complexity, but you can actually manifest it. Now, to reduce the time it takes to manifest any given object, we have to actually start becoming biased. The more we select for function, the more constrained the possibilities we pull from become, and the less time it takes to manifest objects. But, if we become too biased, certain complexities become impossible, because the selection process becomes too "close minded". This is actually what it means to be close minded, and it also applies to evolution and machine learning. This is the nature of creativity. So, the way the physical universe is constructed is such that there is a balance between selection and freedom. This balance is such that it takes billions of years for sapience to emerge from nothingness, to be pulled out of infinity through the evolutionary selection process. What you are talking about is simply structures that have emerged through that freedom. You have to make a difference here between the metaphysical nature of evolution and the biological nature of evolution. Certain biological dynamics that restrict randomness evolved because of the overarching metaphysical function that is being pursued. The biologists are completely clueless about any of this, until maybe some mathematician will come around and create the proof for what I am describing.

All randomness is, is complete lack of bias. And lack of bias is simply infinity. So, randomness, in evolution and machine learning, is just a lack of bias and therefore access to infinity, which will contain any structure imaginable. (imaginable simply means it exist within infinite nothingness) Now, we have to be careful because we can talk about certain types of unbiasedness. In terms of the physical universe, we would be talking about an unbiasdness related to motion in 3D space. For example, if you can randomply pick a number from 1-100, and you then create a system around this random picking that will preserve a certain function, you could, given enough time, pull out of this infinity (the infinite possibilities of relationships between 1-100) any of those possibilities or complex relationships that would serve the function you have determined. It will literally manifest out of nothing, meaning, out of infinity, through complete lack of bias, complete freedom, completey randomness. Really, evolution simply is this process. It is literally the coming into existence of infinite shapes through the design of the universe, which will biased towards a specific function which is God-Realization. But even if the whole system is biased, there is total unbiasedness within it. What machine learning creators are doing, which they are not yet realizing, is manifesting complex structures fitting a certain function from literally infinity using randomness/freedom. They pull these relationships, these complex structures, out of infinity. That's what is happening.

The point of randomness, or freedom, is that, given a certain system, you feed randomness into it so that ALL possibilities are explored. Because, that's what randomness does, eventually it will explore all possible pathways, because it is so free. Now, the metaphysical structure is upheld in such a way that it will naturally give rise and move towards self-realization, but in the context of free will, which is what randomness is. It's the openness to infinite possibilities. When you are open to infinite possibilities, and the structure will reward itself whenever a certain possibility is explored, you will see that, from this openness to infinity, you will actually self-construct the object from nothingness. All possible objects, self-constructed from nothingness based on a "goal". This is what machine learning exploits, on a metaphysical level, and it is the same tihng evolution exploits. You can find ALL possible solution if you are open to infinity, which is what randomness is. Randomness is complete unbiasedness. This is why life can construct itself into any function imaginable just by being open to infinite, to randomness. Through randomness, or freedom, or openness to infinity, you can manifest any object given a desired function without even knowing about any of the objects prior to it's manifestation. That is the genius of this system, and this is what actual creativity is. And I am not exaggerating that someone will get a nobel prize and be considered the equivalent of Darwin's theory of evolution by formalizing in a scientific way what I described above, this will be the most significant scientific discovery, possibly ever.

I believe every post or insight containing the word nothingness would help the collective consciousness more if replaced by the word "everythingness". Doesnt eveythingness have a better ring to it? If we are to awaken the world, I think everythingness is an easier bus to jump into for the masses or anyone inexperienced with nonduality. Do you believe the quality of the mystical teachings would be any lesser if I replace every instance in existence of the word nothingness to ----> everythingness? I may be wrong, so I welcome any discussion.

In my day to day I live with the awareness that everything that happens is absolutely perfect and that this very moment IS the current expression of the Absolute, there's nothing beyond that and never will be. It is very clear to me that some sort of further realization of nothingness/everythingness or unexpressed infinite potential holds no further value to me. That's what's absolutely clear in my direct awareness. It's enough to have had that realization, and that mustn't be a huge event. It's more like a simple "aha". If that's what you mean by "enlightenment", it's no experience at all, it's just a recognition. Otherwise it would just be another experience you remember after it happened.

Theorist apophasis ( youtube channel aka Ken) seems to have the answer if you can get over his arrogance and stickling for precise words. It makes it difficult to follow but as an avid photographer and studier of Ancient philosophies he somehow merged understanding of the two. He gets caught up in conspiracies allot which is a pitty for such a sharp mind but if you sift through the hundreds of waffling videos, you do find a good bit of knowledge in there. Good luck interpreting it. my own contemplation is that light is equated to awareness. You cannot see light itself but you can see what it illuminates or projects. In the material sense you cannot see light itself only what it reflects off. another thing that I’ve heard said is that objects or mater are light in a standing wave. light itself being an ocean of unseen consciousness and manifesting being energy otherwise described as field perturbation modality ( disturbance in the still ocean or the creation of a wave). Can also be described as a thought in the stillness of an infinite mind. If god is described as light in many religions and light is equated to awareness, this can be thought of as the absolute ( the unseen light that is a still and infinite ocean of nothingness until it is disturbed) walter Russell “ the secret of light” is a book that tries to describe light as a dielectric or two lights. im contemplating and trying to go deeper into this on trips but it’s not revealing any describable details yet or at least I can’t translate what I’ve experienced.

Because IT is what I am, always have been, always will be. Never have not been. Absolute. Like Ralston said: IT is not an insight, IT IS you. And all possible reality. And all the other insights you can have are about the relative fireworks of manifestation WITHIN True You. That includes for example even reflective self-awareness which some call (self-) consciousness. Sure, Awareness is always there, but if nothing arises no consciousness (of). Just potential for awareness then if something manifests again. Same holds for all insights. They can be switched off/taken away/forgotten, and True You (the truly Infinite) still is there, like in can't be not here. That is btw the only "safety" there is. Immortal (or better: always here like in can not not be here) but only as truly empty pure nothingness-awareness (with infinite potential for manifestation). That is why even clinging or grasping for any insight in the end only is suffering, because it will disappear. How can one blissfully exist in that where each and every manifestation will disappear? By BEING that what one truly is: Pure Impersonal Awareness/Infinite Potential. And the deaths leading from a separate self illusion to that pure impersonal awareness/suchness/nondual totality have to be truly died/transcended. The false illusion arisings of being separate, or anything specific within the totality. Grasping for more insight/exploration is the opposite direction.

I am in love with you, my friend. I am probably the oldest active (regular) member on this forum, yet I only have 700 or so posts. I would not comment if I didn’t see something truly beautiful and amazing in you that has sparked my interest. You have so much potential, and I really wish you would see it too. I know I can act like a smart-ass. I am only showing affection. I see you as a brother and as brother’s we can get on each other’s nerves. I do truly care about you despite my obnoxious behavior. Understanding karma can help solve problems. Karma means work/actions+results. Karma also includes the effect of any an all human actions. I do not say basic Karma as an offence, but as a path to make your life the way you wish it to be. A method to use Karma in a practical way… a tool. Let me put it in another way. Success is the sum of all validated improvements. You measure your improvements through your actions. You build your mind by validating the improvements you make, dozens or hundreds of times every day. You do this by loving and admiring whatever improvements you make every single moment. You must improve your certainty that you know that what you did was correct and was an improvement. You see the perfection, the beauty in your actions and things that you perceive. This is how you build your mind. All the beauty that you have is the beauty that you decide to create. Only with a strong mindset can you turn your dreams into a reality. Then, you can put joy into your actions and/or have hope or faith in the grind and work that you are doing. And yes, I am in love with @Princess Arabia She is a sister to me. I have a special attachment to her because she reminds me of a daughter (and looks like her) I had a few centuries ago, named Cedella. Which means princess, I believe… I forget. But yes, she is very special to me. I like to tease and joke around with her because she is dear to my heart and I really admire her humor and way of thinking. You may think me a fool and delusional with this, and I am happy if you do so… I am who I am and that’s all I am. @Razard86 You are a Nothingness. You can not resist. However… You can put something to resist or something that resists. What resists are thoughts (or manifestations of the mind) that you don’t know or a lack of (love+admiration). These are impurities because to experience something to have an effect or be an effect, you must hold on to the illusion. You must resist and not know that you are putting it there. This is the essence of assuming a viewpoint which results in the consideration of existence/nonexistence duality. I know that is exactly what you are saying in your post and GOD DAMN ...It is music to my ears! I love it so much. Thank you for that. You never cease to impress me. LOVE!!!

Consciousness is all there is. And Consciousness can fully comprehend itself. This self-comprehension is Absolute. In other words, you gain absolute clarity into what everything is. Do not muddle this matter by invoking the notion of Maya. Maya refers to the lack of self-comprehension of consciousness. God-Realization is the unraveling of Maya. This does not mean that experience stops. People here love to confuse awakened consciousness with a lack of experience or "Nothingness" or formlessness.

Thank you so much for your reply. I LOVE IT! Actually, I am looking for more than answers. I have many viewpoints on the subject and I am 1) looking for other viewpoints in order to seek viewpoints I may be stuck on. 2) Seeing how very general terms relate to specific questions. 3) amount of agreement/consensus on the most basic. Seeing where such viewpoints connect and where they are different. There is also a great deal of other things I am looking. I am looking for depth and scope. Basics, with details! Lol Just having fun and playing games! After all, if you can’t explain the basics simply… and from multiple viewpoints… You have less chance of bringing understanding to a society who has no concept of these ideas. After all, a feature of society is ideas that we can freely understand and communicate about. So yes, I am looking for answers… but for the viewpoints and nuance within the answers! LMAO If it is ok with you I would like to ask follow up questions: 1. What is the definition of infinity and eternity? What is the most basic definition where these highest quantities of viewpoints converge? 2. What causes the sequence of events that we experience? Just about everything that we experience in the physical universe has some sort of continuation. What is that continuation. How would you describe it? How can you have continuation with no beginning and end? 3. I have a viewpoint on whatever I put my attention on, but where am I located? Where is the “I” located. How would you spot nothingness? How can everything that is physical have a location, but consciousness doesn’t? 4. How does agreement play into this? After all we share a reality. How does infinity converge into reality? Ok, how do you define true nature? What is True? What is nature? @acidgoofy What are your own thoughts on this? How do you integrate this into your awareness and life.

Btw , the total absolute infinity is not love, is just the total absolute infinity. You can't think in it, you can't talk about it, just make yourself soft enough to have those openess sometimes. You have to drop yourself in the nothingness, you can't keep your greed with you.