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Is that quote from Jesus? There's historical consensus that he almost certainly ate fish, lamb, goat, and other meats. The rest of the list above is fairly certain too. So why were you so quick to overlook it? These were some of the most deeply conscious individuals around - and that's the point. They were still people. Reality is colliding with your fantasies about what it means to be "conscious." You seem to think it entails a particular set of behaviors, a certain personality type or character, or a special way of life - maybe even the ability to walk on water or the aura of a "saint." But even enlightenment experiences don't necessarily stop someone from generating suffering in their own experience. Consider that nothing has to change for you to awaken right now, and that this is already the case for everyone, exactly as they are. A breakthrough can happen at any time, independent of circumstance or lifestyle. You could be drinking a beer and eating a filet mignon and still have an enlightenment experience. Because it's not about that. No transformation is required, because it's about what is true. Healing is a different pursuit as well. It's a bit like imagining that the clothes you wear have something to do with consciousness. But clothing is just clothing. A wool shirt might cost more than a synthetic one or itch a bit, but it doesn't change who you are. Or any metaphor to that effect.

I have been living on mostly fruit and raw foods for the last 4 - 5 years and mostly vegan for about 12 years now. For me it wasn't all about becoming more spiritual, it simply made sense (like a remembrance), and i felt way better, lighter, cleaner, sharper, things flow through my body more effortlessly, and not only physical, but mental and emotional stagnation, which i feel is where most people panic and relapse. The lifestyle doesn't directly raise your vibration per se, rather it rapidly brings up everything to the surface to be faced, processed and transmuted- the overall detox effect, and this is usually where most people will struggle to process (all their shit) so they revert to old ways for comfort. This is why its important to follow your own body of consciousness and allow the natural transition and transformation to take place, many fail because they do it from a mental or ethical standpoint or intellectual, yet their body, their traumas, their emotions, the other aspects have yet to catch up. Ultimately, the higher the vibration, the lighter you need to eat and live, and that is evident, because you become more "efficient" and can utilize (Source Energy) better and in more ways than just food. This is the light-body activation, so to speak, from carbon to crystalline matrix. On an intellectual level, this also makes sense because humans are naturally closer to a frugivore than any other creature on earth, that our entire biology and anatomy speaks volumes and ticks all the boxes in this direction, and that the further the food has drifted from its source, the more mutated the expression of its and our genes. Burgers and packets of chips don't grow on trees, they are a heavily processed by-product. As everything is consciousness, you become that which you consume, gradually reshaping and remolding you inside out. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Semen Retention is something that comes naturally and should not be done forcefully or again from a purely mental standpoint, otherwise it can backfire and make things worse down the line. I speak from experience on this path for a long time now. If the energy flows well, and you aren't having wet dreams, or having sexual thoughts or natural urges and feelings, then it already speaks for itself, but if you are, it means there is a clash in your system and you aren't actually listening to your body of consciousness, rather trying to mentally spiritualize yourself. Again for me this came naturally and then naturally it can pass too and you must honour your animal and not reject your human / physical self, cause that is the foundation of the spiritual current you carry. This is why taking care of the body is paramount to hold a strong spiritual charge, while many guru's and traditions dismiss the importance of the body and focus more on the non-physical, while forgetting the true masters teachings. Its always the Middle Way - Mind + Body = Spirit --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dry fasting has been one of the most powerfully healing things I ever did. I've dry fasted multiple times now for 3 - 5 days. I am to do 7 and 9 and maybe 12 in the future. I would not advise to do it more than 5 days unless you hold a high mastery over energy or have a professional guide like Dr Filinov (the leading dry fast coach in russia) who can guide you. I read few of his books and was blown away. I've done many types of fasts, 30+ day juice fasts, 8 day water fasts and many others but nothing is more powerful than dry fasting. Its like the bodies cells turn into mini-nuclear reactors and burn off everything that is not part of the original blueprint. Its also a very spiritual process so you need to be strong and if you don't feel strong you need a support system or team. In ancient times the great masters dry fasted for 40 days for a total reset but that is not wise today because our air and environments are highly toxic and very few people can guide or know how to do it properly. This is something that will come naturally if needed with the mastery of vibration. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know this stuff can be exciting and activating but patience and balance are your strongest companions on this path of purification. The Essenes and Master Jesus shared a lot of these teachings but they have been long lost from our world. Although we can access this information, its a higher wavelength altogether and must be very cautious with whom or when or how to share them. This information has only resurfaced the last 10 - 15 years, before that it laid dormant until humanity was ready, and Christ was the one who initiated this until humanity is ready. As Christ consciousness is resurfacing on a collective level, this information can now be accessed again. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 Books I would recommend The Phoenix Protocol Dry Fasting for Rapid Healing and Radical Life Extension: Functional Immortality - Basics on Dry fasting Mucusless Diet Healing System: Scientific Method of Eating Your Way to Health by Professor Arnold Ehret - A pioneer in raw food lifestyle. The Way of the Essenes: Christ's Hidden Life Remembered - Probably the most accurate book on the true life of Jesus and teachings of Christ.

Again that is a story you've been told. History is greatly altered by those who eventually win the wars and gain control over the nations. Most of the true teachings and texts are long lost, few have been sourced out of the Vatican, most others burned in the library of Alexandria. We don't need texts or history to know the ways and lives of Christ and Buddha, because we are the same being, the deeper you go, the deeper you connect to other aspects of oneself, because there is no difference, we are one and the same, tapping into the same energy field, but that requires a deeper level of surrender that all aspects of oneself need to be dropped, only then you can truly know the truth at the level that is spoken and shared here, to tap into alternate lives and timelines and see and feel the experiences for yourself, but "programming" is the toughest nut to crack... I'll lay a few passages here in regards to food and diet and lifestyle by the Master Himself. Truly I say to you, my Brothers, behave in such a way that the Father who lives within you will have no reason to complain about his temple. I do not preach to you about the dimensions nor the quality of the stones you make your own; I am speaking about the heart that makes it possible for you to grasp their meaning and their purpose. I am speaking also for the heart that helps you to understand their origin. Thus, you will not kill in order to satisfy the demands of your body, without first making sure of the constructive finality of such an act. You are fond of animal flesh but be careful that the animal doesn’t leave too big a trace in your own flesh, as it may impart upon you its primary vitality.” “It is the force that your souls still impose upon this Earth that causes you to crave such food. Let those who may, remember the words from the ancient scripture: I offer you all the grasses bearing seed on the surface of the whole Earth, and all the trees bearing fruit and giving seed; this will be your food. Craving meat is more or less is a sign that ones consciousness still linked to denser vibrations, not that its wrong, but there is more learning and growth there, but naturally as you ascend or expand in consciousness, you will no longer crave nor can tolerate. I couldn't tolerate it the moment I woke. Different souls / different soul developments. Some children being born today can transition effortlessly, others and older generations struggle. And as consciousness expands, you connect greater dots, that you could never perceive to connect and make sense of in the first place. "Everything exists according to the will of the Nameless One; the transcendental soul is never born out of a body of flesh, on the contrary, it builds a body of flesh and then settles within this body. But first it must create and elaborate its lower constituents: the human soul and its seven little flames that are superimposed. Purification through breathing, though it improves the envelope of flesh, acts first upon the invisible realms. This means that it cleanses the successive bodies of a being, starting with the least material of them. “*Thus, little sister, the sublimation of the cruder bodies is the last to take place. The vital breath energy acts with greater ease in the realms where it is already the undisputed master. These words should teach your heart the reason why a great many beings whose souls are clean and whose lives are noble do not enjoy bodily perfection. The cleansing of one of their little flames is not yet totally accomplished, and this is why the complete transmutation of their body of flesh may not occur. You must know that this transmutation will always remain one of the hardest tasks for a human being. If a breath alone is enough to shape the spirit, it takes a solar wind to regenerate a dense body." Purifying the dense physical body is the final stage of spiritual evolution. First: mind, emotion, energy, intuition, subtle bodies, soul-layers are purified. Only then can the physical form begin to transmute. This is why enlightened people can still get sick, age, or die. A person can be spiritually advanced, loving, pure-hearted... and still have illness, age, physical limitations, imperfect bodies, and its because the lower, denser layers haven’t fully transmuted yet. The physical body is stubborn, slow, and very dense, that is the hardest layer to shift. Spiritual transformation is gentle, almost easy. Physical transformation is violent, powerful, and rare. This is why light body activation, ascension, spontaneous healing, or instant regeneration happen to very few and only at extremely advanced levels. I'll live a last passage here that goes a bit deeper and discusses the importance of the "living plant" food and purification. “What do you want to love?” he queried as if he had read our thoughts. “The total love to which you aspire will never be vague and uncontrolled. It follows the lines of force whose ramifications spread across the whole universe. For now,you must learn to recognize these channels, to tame them so they may become an extension of your bodies. “This is not a discipline I want to impose upon you, my Brothers, it is rather the key to a purification I suggest to you, so that in full trust you will feel yourselves the allies of my Father. For this reason, for three moons, you must practice two daily meditations and eat nothing that has perished in fire, in water, or by frost, nothing prepared at a temperature higher than that of the human body. “There is nothing arbitrary about this. Any heat above the temperature of human blood destroys the primary impalpable qualities of creative life.” Those instructions initiated the second stage of our growing awareness. We had to change our way of life in order to experience the inner light in a tangible way. As it had been made clear, the Master did not wish us to become ascetics, but to change our habits. At the same time, this was a reinstatement of an ancient code by then long forgotten, but that he knew to be of value. I'll let you guys decipher the rest.

Only looking within yourself can be a space for deeper transformation.

When I came on her 8 years ago, it was what I was looking for. And there was a bit of that in the first year or so. But what really draws me here is a much more base-level drive... to get into intellectual sparring matches. I don't see this place as a space for deeper transformation, as that requires a softer container. I see it as an intellectual debate club where I can sharpen my sword and learn to fence better.

Ok. So you didn't for example have a sudden spiritual awakening during meditation that transformed how your mind operated on a day to day basis? For me, the difference in health was absolutely palpable, and the change was for all intents and purposes mental (except I had been withdrawing from serious weed abuse at that time, which was a catalyst but not the transformation itself). Then after that, I remember eating a pizza and I was looking for that usual spike of excitement when eating it, and it was to my surprise not there. That made me start going from sensory hedonism to eudaimonia like you're describing, doing things that lead to greater stability and clarity of mind, things that increase adaptive capacity, things that elevate your baseline rather than creating temporary spikes, gradually aligning the body with the new state. The change in consciousness revealed which behaviors were conducive to that state and which were detrimental, merely through feeling.

Overall back and forth on certain topics such as what we talk about here is in the end no good.. There is no discovery once You realize that the views betwn the participants are different, and continuing it does not make change.. and for sure no one has gotten spiritual progression via discussion on a level of transformation, since intellectual understanding does not make transformation, transformation is nothing of the old lives on. Yes it may help one decided on a path in life, or inspire someone to investigate other ways to think or view a subject, I'm not denying that, but that is not transformation, and that what Spirituality Is all about!

Very interesting - I agree with the hollowing out of the vertical dimension. But what kind of structure are we talking of here? It can be structurally facistic even if the justification shifts from biology (quantity) to metaphysics (quality). If it has a rigid hierarchy justified by metaphysics, obedience to that hierarchy as cosmic order, and an elite at the top who are above accountability - we have spiritual facism. I think the issue comes from collapsing the vertical into the horizontal. The vertical dimension is something we are meant to orient ourselves towards - the North Star. But we don’t become the North Star or claim ourselves or the structure as it. Vertical principles can purify the people in power, but shouldn’t be used to justify the power they claim as “the cosmic / sacred order”. There is divinity (oneness, source) and some sort of order in the universe that enables us to exist - but this doesn’t translate into divinely ordaining a particular structure or group of elites as such. Legitimacy should remain institutional, not spiritual - no leader can claim metaphysics as political authority. This doesn’t mean vertical principles or spiritual strength isn’t seen as a virtue or worthy trait for stewardship. It just means the structure of governance should account for selecting for it and removing anyone who fails to live up to it. It shouldn’t be rigid like the Hindu system of old where Brahmins ruled due to cosmic order ordaining them as the highest. Civilization works when horizontal power is guided, limited, and elevated by vertical principles - in a healthy tension. This is abusing the idea of the vertical with the horizontal by claiming one impose itself on the other. If the vertical is about principles and the horizontal is about the structure - then corruption happens if we collapse the two and pretend the structure IS the principle. Vertical truths are being used as horizontal justification. You say we should be guided by transcendent principles - but if one of those are accountability or humility - then the structure would reflect that by having checks and balances. And a rigid structure in which one is beyond accountability due to being “spiritually higher” avoids that. This is where secularism is corrective to any potential tyranny (even spiritual tyranny) but this doesn’t mean a society must be spiritually hollowed out. Secularism shouldn’t need to overextend itself to mean a secular society - which is what’s happened in the West as a overcorrection. The balance is a secular state + spiritual society = civilizational health. The governance structure can remain secular to prevent tyranny and hold power accountable (which is principled) whilst the society remains spiritually alive by cultivating (culture) vertical principles. The important part is that the structure should prevent anyone from claiming divine authority over others - preventing the vertical from being weaponized. Islamic civilization at its best actually struck this balance quite well. AI: ”Islamic civilization separated the source of moral authority from the machinery of governance. The spiritual realm — scripture, law, ethics, scholarship, and community norms — was carried by the ulema, culture, and society, not by the ruler himself. The ruler couldn’t claim to be divine, infallible, or metaphysically superior. His job was worldly: administering justice, managing taxes, keeping peace, protecting borders. Spiritual interpretation and moral authority were outside the state and distributed across independent scholars, jurists, and institutions. This prevented metaphysics from being monopolized by political power. At the same time, the civilization remained deeply spiritual because the culture, ethics, law, and intellectual life were permeated by transcendence. Society was spiritually alive even though the state’s power was administratively grounded. The vertical (divine law, moral principles, spiritual purpose) guided the horizontal (governance, administration, institutions) without fusing into an authoritarian theocracy. In short: the state was practical and accountable, while society and leadership were spiritually oriented — a balance that kept the political structure flexible while keeping the civilization morally anchored.” —————- I think a key distinction to clarify this: Transcendence ≠ Transformation Transcendence is beyond form, ego, human limitation. Transformation is what happens within form when we orient ourselves towards the transcendent. We are shaped by the vertical - we do not become the vertical. If we were to become the transcendent (enlightened or just pure light), we would no longer be in form but in the formless. Transformation happens precisely because we remain in form - orienting ourselves towards the transcendent. The key error is collapsing the vertical into the horizontal. Though the vertical is our source and we are not separate from it (conciousness, oneness, God) we are distinct from it. As long as we are in form, we can only ever trans-form within form, towards the transcendent that is beyond form. Form is a journey and relationship, whilst going back into the formless is a homecoming. - The Vertical is the Absolute Reference Point (God, the Good, Truth). Constant eternal. - The Horizontal is the Field of Application (the self, society, politics) in dynamic motion toward the reference point. The moment the Horizontal declares "I am the Reference Point” the system shatters into either delusion (spiritual ego) or tyranny (spiritual facism). The moment it declares "There is no Reference Point” (secularised society) it drifts into relativism and nihilism. If the vertical is about the North Star and the horizontal is about our transformation towards it - pathologies show up when: - New Agers claim “I am the North Star” (spiritual narcissism) - Evola/Theocracy claims a king or superbeing to be the North Star (tyranny) - Hollow Secularism denies or ignores a North Star to exist (nihilism) The healthy balance is orientation towards, not identification or denial of - the vertical. —- I was talking with AI about this and came upon this: “Islamic metaphysics and political structure embody the distinction between transcendence and transformation with remarkable precision. Tanzīh: God is beyond form Preserves transcendence. No collapse into rulers, saints, or egos. Tashbīh: God is near Allows transformation. The human can be transformed toward the divine without becoming the divine. Human beings reflect the vertical without ever embodying it. We are in form. We can be shaped by the vertical, but never collapse it into ourselves. Islamic governance mirrors this metaphysics: • rulers are not divine • scholars do not wield political power • law is above all • no caste of metaphysical aristocrats • accountability is a sacred duty Islamic civilization keeps transcendence above the political sphere — while allowing society to be transformed by it. This is the principle secular governance was trying to imitate: Humility built into structure. Accountability as a transcendent principle. Islam contains Tanzīh (God's incomparability) and Tashbīh (God's similarity). It provides a counterbalancing theological and philosophical framework. · Tanzīh guards against the collapse. It ensures the Vertical remains Vertical. God is Wholly Other. No creature, no ruler, no saint, can be God. · Tashbīh allows for the relationship. It makes Transformation possible. Because God is also "nearer to you than your jugular vein," we can know Him, love Him, and be shaped by His attributes.”

Here’s a polished and rigorous version of my original post; enjoy if you’re a nerd: Psychogenetic Development: A Tripartite Model of Ontogenetic Unfoldment Prolegomena: The Archetypal Structure of Psychological Maturation The trajectory of human psychological development follows an archetypal pattern encoded within the genome yet activated and shaped through environmental interaction. This essay proposes a tripartite model synthesizing the insights of Freud, Adler, and Jung into a coherent developmental framework corresponding to three successive stages of ontogenetic unfoldment: the Freudian Stage (primary attachment and instinctual relating), the Adlerian Stage (social adaptation and meaning-making), and the Jungian Stage (individuation and self-realization). Each stage builds upon and presupposes its predecessor. Pathology at any given stage creates developmental arrest, requiring conscious therapeutic work before progression to subsequent stages becomes possible. This model accounts for the observation that premature spiritual awakening—absent integration of earlier developmental achievements—inevitably results in what contemporary psychology terms "spiritual bypassing": the use of transcendent states to avoid rather than resolve foundational psychological wounds. Stage I: The Freudian Foundation — Primary Attachment and Instinctual Relating The Formative Crucible The first decade of life constitutes the formative crucible within which the fundamental patterns of psychic life are established. During this period, the child's nascent ego organizes itself in response to two primary factors: (1) the quality of attachment bonds with parental figures, and (2) the behavioral modeling of survival strategies exhibited by these figures. The attachment relationship functions as what Winnicott termed a "facilitating environment"—the psychosocial matrix through which the child learns the fundamental grammar of relating: to self, to others, to world. Secure attachment provides the ontological foundation for authentic self-expression; insecure attachment necessitates the development of defensive structures that fragment and distort this expression. The Mechanics of Psychic Formation Following the principle of psychic economy, the developing organism allocates its available libidinal energy (in Jung's sense of undifferentiated psychic vitality) according to the demands of its environment. In conditions of secure attachment, this energy flows naturally toward exploration, creativity, and authentic self-expression. Under conditions of insecure attachment, however, this same energy becomes bound in defensive operations designed to protect against anticipated environmental threats. These defensive structures manifest as what depth psychology recognizes as complexes: autonomous psychic formations organized around traumatic nuclei, each possessing its own energetic/affective charge and behavioral patterns. Common manifestations include the "nice guy syndrome" (defensive compliance masking underlying aggression), narcissistic defenses (grandiose compensation for core shame), and various anxiety disorders (hypervigilance stemming from early environmental unpredictability). The Principle of Projective Identification The mechanism through which parental pathology transmits to offspring operates according to what object relations theory terms projective identification: the child internalizes not merely the conscious behaviors of parental figures but their unconscious psychological structures. As Freud observed, the superego of the child is formed not from the ego of the parents but from their superego—the child inherits the psychological "karma" (in the Eastern sense of causal conditioning) of the parental generation. This transmission occurs through what we might term energetic imprinting: the child's malleable psyche conforms to the emotional field generated by parental complexes, much as liquid assumes the shape of its container. The internalized object—the psychic representation of the parent—becomes a permanent structural element of the child's personality, continuing to exert its influence long after the original relationship has ended. Archetypal Patterns of Pathological Relating Clinical observation reveals recurring patterns of parent-child dynamics that predictably generate specific pathological outcomes: Maternal Complexes: The Devouring Mother: Overprotection coupled with shame-based control generates dependency, infantilization, and failure to develop autonomous agency The Absent Mother: Emotional unavailability or physical absence creates core wounds of unworthiness and shame, manifesting as what Jung termed "anima moods"—chronic melancholy, addiction (as compensatory self-soothing), and difficulties in intimate relating The Persecutory Mother: Active psychological abuse installs internalized persecution, resulting in harsh superego formation and self-destructive patterns Paternal Complexes: The Weak Father: Failure to model healthy masculine authority generates difficulties with self-assertion, boundary-setting, and engagement with hierarchical structures The Absent Father: Physical or emotional absence creates what Bly termed the "father hunger"—desperate seeking for masculine validation and chronic feelings of inadequacy The Tyrant Father: Authoritarian abuse generates either identification with the aggressor (repetition of tyranny) or collapse into passivity and resentment The Internal-External Correspondence The axiom "as within, so without" expresses the fundamental law of psychic manifestation: the internal organization of the psyche determines the pattern of external experience. Because perception is inherently projective, the traumatized individual unconsciously re-creates the conditions of original trauma in present circumstances—what Freud termed the repetition compulsion. This creates self-fulfilling prophecies: expecting betrayal, one behaves in ways that invite betrayal; fearing abandonment, one clings in ways that drive others away; anticipating rejection, one preemptively rejects. The past thus perpetually reconstitutes itself in the present through the mechanism of unconscious projection, creating what Eastern traditions recognize as karmic loops—cyclical patterns of suffering sustained by unconscious identification with traumatic conditioning. Pathological Relating to Archetypal Principles The quality of relationship to parental figures determines one's relationship to the archetypal principles they represent: Relationship to Father (Archetypal Masculine/Logos): Maladaptive relationship to authority and hierarchical structures Difficulty with assertion, confrontation, and boundary maintenance Ambivalence toward competition and achievement Either hypervigilant defensiveness or collapse into passivity when facing conflict Projection of threat onto the world itself ("the world is dangerous") Relationship to Mother (Archetypal Feminine/Eros): Core shame and self-rejection Chronic depressive affect (what Jung termed anima possession) Addictive patterns as compensatory self-soothing Difficulties in intimate relating and emotional vulnerability For women: troubled relationship to own femininity; for men: idealization or devaluation of the feminine Summary of Stage I The Freudian stage establishes the foundational pattern of relating—the basic posture the organism adopts toward existence. This pattern, formed through the internalization of parental objects and their associated affective charges, operates largely outside conscious awareness yet determines the fundamental quality of lived experience. Insecure attachment fragments the natural flow of libido, binding psychic energy in defensive operations rather than creative expression. The degree of pathology present at this stage determines the magnitude of therapeutic work required before developmental progression becomes possible. Stage II: The Adlerian Transition — Social Adaptation and the Crisis of Meaning From Family to World Following the establishment of fundamental relational patterns within the family system, the adolescent encounters a second developmental challenge: social adaptation. Where the Freudian stage concerns instinctual life and primary attachments, the Adlerian stage addresses the individual's capacity to find meaningful place within the broader social world—to develop what Adler termed Gemeinschaftsgefühl (social interest or community feeling). However, this transition does not occur in a vacuum. The individual enters social reality already bearing the unresolved conflicts and maladaptive patterns established during primary socialization. Pathological object relations, unmetabolized trauma, and defensive character structures now manifest in the arena of peer relationships, romantic partnerships, educational institutions, and eventually professional life. The Genesis of Inferiority Adler's central insight concerned the universal experience of inferiority feelings arising from the child's objective smallness and dependency. In healthy development, these feelings serve as motivation toward growth and mastery—what Adler termed striving for superiority (not in the sense of domination but of self-actualization and competence). In pathological development, however, these natural feelings of inferiority become distorted into what Adler termed the inferiority complex: a pervasive sense of deficiency that resists amelioration through actual achievement. This complex emerges directly from the Freudian stage pathologies: the child who internalized parental rejection or inadequacy enters social reality pre-convinced of his own unworthiness. Paradoxically, some individuals develop a superiority complex—grandiose self-presentation masking underlying inferiority. This represents what contemporary psychology recognizes as narcissistic defense: the creation of a false self that compensates for core shame through fantasies of specialness. The Wound to Authentic Self-Expression The maladaptively attached individual approaches social reality from a position of fundamental misalignment with authentic being. The energy that should flow naturally toward creative self-expression remains bound in protective operations. The result is a characteristic pattern: inability to find genuine place in the social order. This manifests variously as: Social anxiety and avoidant patterns Difficulties establishing intimate relationships Inability to pursue vocational calling Chronic underachievement relative to potential Compensatory withdrawal into fantasy or intellectual abstraction The underlying dynamic is always the same: authentic self-expression feels dangerous because early environment punished or failed to mirror it. The individual therefore presents a false self to the world while the true self remains hidden, unactualized, and increasingly estranged. The Crisis of Meaning As social adaptation fails—as the individual finds himself unable to establish satisfying relationships, meaningful work, or genuine community—a predictable crisis emerges: loss of meaning and purpose. This is the existential dimension of the Adlerian stage, corresponding to what Frankl would later term the "existential vacuum." The severity of this crisis varies according to the degree of underlying Freudian pathology. Some individuals experience manageable depression and dissatisfaction; others undergo complete psychological collapse. In either case, the organism recognizes—however unconsciously—that current life trajectories lead nowhere, that the false self cannot sustain meaningful existence. Compensatory Solutions and Their Failure Rather than undertaking the difficult work of addressing root causes (disconnection from authentic self through unresolved attachment trauma), the suffering individual typically pursues what might be termed horizontal compensations: attempts to resolve vertical problems through horizontal means. These compensatory patterns include: Addictive behaviors: Substances, pornography, gaming, or other forms of numbing that temporarily relieve existential pain Identity politics and ideological possession: Substituting collective identity for personal development, finding pseudo-meaning through group membership Spiritual bypassing: Premature engagement with transcendent philosophies (Eastern religions, psychedelics, non-dual teachings) as escape from psychological work Intellectual inflation: Using philosophical sophistication to compensate for emotional underdevelopment; armchair philosophizing divorced from embodied practice Conspiracy theorizing: Projection of inner darkness onto external forces; the unconscious shadow externalized as hidden cabals or malevolent systems Self-help obsession: Endless consumption of personal development content without implementation; knowledge as defense against transformation These compensations share a common structure: they provide temporary relief from existential anxiety while systematically avoiding the underlying cause—unresolved developmental trauma and disconnection from authentic self. The Necessary Crisis Eventually—whether through the failure of compensatory strategies, psychedelic experiences that shatter defensive structures, or simply the accumulating pressure of unlived life—a personal crisis becomes unavoidable. This crisis represents what Jung termed the confrontation with the unconscious: the moment when the repressed contents of the psyche can no longer be denied. This crisis may manifest as: Acute depressive episodes or anxiety Existential despair and questioning of all previous values Psychotic breaks or dissociative episodes Psychosomatic illness Extreme life circumstances (relationship dissolution, career failure, financial collapse) From the perspective of the Self (in Jung's sense of the totality of the psyche), this crisis is not pathology but compensatory correction: the unconscious forcing consciousness to recognize what has been denied. It is, in the language of alchemy, the nigredo—the necessary blackening and decomposition that precedes transformation. Summary of Stage II The Adlerian stage represents the collision between developmental pathology and social reality. The mal-adapted individual, bearing unresolved Freudian wounds, proves incapable of authentic social participation and meaning-making. The resulting crisis of meaning drives compensatory behaviors that temporarily ameliorate suffering while preventing genuine resolution. This stage either persists unconsciously for the remainder of one’s life(complexes keeping their hold on the individual’s consciousness, repeating pathological patterns through Repetition compulsion) or reaches culmination in an unavoidable personal crisis—the psyche's demand for authentic transformation rather than continued compensation. Stage III: The Jungian Resolution — Individuation and Self-Realization The Descent: Katabasis into the Unconscious The personal crisis marks the threshold of what Jung termed the individuation process—the psychological journey toward wholeness through conscious integration of unconscious contents. This process classically begins with what the Greeks termed katabasis: descent into Hades, journey into the underworld. In psychological terms, katabasis represents the necessary confrontation with everything previously repressed, denied, or split off from consciousness. The individual must descend into the depths of his own psyche to encounter: The Personal Shadow: Rejected aspects of personality; qualities deemed unacceptable by ego-consciousness Complexes and Sub-personalities: Autonomous psychic fragments organized around traumatic nuclei Parental Imagos: Internalized representations of mother and father, now recognized as psychic structures rather than objective reality The Wounded Child: The traumatized core of personality formed during the Freudian stage Collective Shadow Material: Cultural and archetypal contents that have been projected outward This descent is necessarily painful. It involves what St. John of the Cross termed the dark night of the soul—the dissolution of previous identity structures and the experience of psychological death. All compensatory solutions collapse; all defenses fail. The individual stands naked before the totality of his woundedness. The Alchemical Operation: Solve et Coagula The therapeutic work of this stage follows the alchemical principle solve et coagula—dissolution and coagulation. This occurs in three movements: 1. Dissolution (Solve): The first movement requires the conscious recognition and dissolution of inauthentic structures: Defensive character armor False self presentations Internalized parental commands and prohibitions Traumatic imprints and their associated affects Compensatory identifications and inflations This dissolution occurs through what psychoanalysis terms working through: the repeated examination of patterns in various contexts until their structure becomes transparent and their energy dissipates. This is not intellectual understanding but embodied recognition—what Eugene Gendlin termed felt sense, the somatic dimension of psychological truth. 2. Exploration and Integration: Concurrent with dissolution comes exploration of the underworld: the patient, thorough investigation of one's actual psychological structure. This requires: Psychoanalytic archaeology: Tracing current patterns to developmental origins Phenomenological examination: Close attention to actual experience rather than conceptual overlays Shadow integration: Reclaiming split-off aspects of personality Complex work: Dialoguing with autonomous psychic structures to reduce their compulsive power Through this process emerges what Assagioli termed psychological synthesis: the gradual integration of fragmented parts into coherent wholeness. The energy previously bound in complexes becomes available for conscious use; the rejected shadow elements enrich rather than undermine personality. 3. Coagulation (Coagula): As inauthentic structures dissolve and authentic elements integrate, a new organization emerges—what Jung termed the individuated personality. This is not created but discovered: it represents the actualization of inherent potential, the unfolding of what was always latently present. The individuated personality possesses several characteristics: Authenticity: Behavior aligned with actual values and nature rather than internalized demands Integration: Previously split aspects now functioning as coordinated whole Autonomy: Freedom from unconscious compulsions and parental/cultural programming Vitality: Libido flowing naturally toward creative expression rather than defensive operations The Recognition of True Self Central to the Jungian stage is the differentiation between false self and true self (to use Winnicott's terminology). The false self is the adaptive structure developed to survive pathological environment; the true self is the authentic core of being that was forced into hiding. This recognition often occurs through: Dreams and visions: The unconscious communicating symbolic representations of Self Synchronicities: Meaningful coincidences suggesting archetypal guidance Peak experiences: Moments of alignment with authentic being that reveal the contrast with ordinary consciousness Therapeutic breakthroughs: Sudden insights that reorganize understanding of one's entire life trajectory The discovery of true self brings both exhilaration and grief: exhilaration at finally knowing who one actually is; grief at recognizing how much time was spent living inauthentically. The Ascent: Anabasis toward Actualization Following adequate depth work, the movement shifts from katabasis (descent) to anabasis (ascent)—from archaeological excavation to constructive building. This represents the actualization phase of individuation: the conscious embodiment of authentic self in actual life. This phase requires: 1. Dissolution of Remaining Inauthenticity: Through sustained awareness—what Buddhism terms mindfulness—the individual continues to notice and release habitual patterns inconsistent with authentic being. This is the ongoing practice of conscious choice rather than automatic reaction. 2. Embodied Integration: Psychological insight must translate into behavioral change. This is the critical distinction between intellectual understanding and actual transformation. The individual must: Establish relationships congruent with actual values Pursue vocational expression aligned with authentic gifts Develop lifestyle consistent with genuine nature Express previously repressed aspects of personality 3. Engagement with Personal Myth: Jung recognized that individuation involves discovering one's personal myth—the unique narrative arc that gives coherence and meaning to one's life. This is not invented but uncovered through attention to: Recurring dreams and symbols Life patterns and synchronicities Natural talents and inclinations The specific shape of one's wounds (which often point toward one's gifts) The Exhaustion of Ego-Desire Many individuals at this stage experience what might be termed compensatory fulfillment: the belated satisfaction of desires thwarted during developmental years. Having spent youth and early adulthood trapped in defensive structures, the newly liberated individual often pursues: Sexual exploration and relationship experiences Material success and financial achievement Travel and worldly experience Social recognition and influence This is not regression but completion of unlived life. The Eastern traditions term this burning through karma: the exhaustion of personal desires through their conscious fulfillment rather than their repression. Only by fully engaging these desires—by discovering their satisfaction and their ultimate insufficiency—can one genuinely transcend them. This phase represents the maturation of ego rather than its premature dissolution. The individual must become somebody before he can genuinely become nobody; must establish strong selfhood before authentic self-transcendence becomes possible. This is the resolution of what Wilber identified as the pre/trans fallacy: the distinction between pre-egoic states (infantile fusion) and trans-egoic states (genuine transcendence). The Preparation for Transcendence The completion of the Jungian stage—the achievement of individuation(there’s never really “achievement” here, merely thresholds)—represents the fulfillment of personal development. The individual has: Resolved developmental trauma Integrated shadow material Actualized authentic potential Established meaningful life in the world Exhausted personal desires through conscious fulfillment At this point, and only at this point, does genuine spiritual development become possible(the two will overlap, but the lower must take precedence before the higher until a certain threshold of development has been reached). Having completed the psychological work, having established and then transcended ego, the individual stands ready for what the mystical traditions term the Way: the path of genuine transcendence beyond the personal altogether. But this lies beyond the scope of the present model, which concerns ontogenetic development—the journey from wounded childhood to integrated adulthood. The spiritual journey proper begins where the psychological journey ends. Synthesis: The Developmental Arc The tripartite model proposed here describes a necessary sequence: Stage I (Freudian): Establishment of fundamental relational patterns and instinctual life; formation of core wounds and defensive structures. Stage II (Adlerian): Collision with social reality; failure of false self; crisis of meaning; recognition that compensatory solutions are insufficient. Stage III (Jungian): Descent into unconscious; dissolution of false structures; integration of authentic self; ascent toward actualization; exhaustion of personal karma. Each stage presupposes its predecessor. Attempting to bypass earlier stages—spiritual bypassing, premature non-dual teaching, transcendence without psychological foundation—results in what Wilber terms pre/trans confusion: mistaking pre-egoic states for trans-egoic realization. The model accounts for the observation that many individuals with early spiritual awakenings or mystical experiences nonetheless remain psychologically underdeveloped, their transcendent insights coexisting with neurotic patterns and relational difficulties. Genuine development requires sequential integration: the conscious working through of each stage before progression to the next becomes stable. Conclusion: Beyond Self-Help to Self-Actualization Contemporary "self-help" culture typically offers horizontal solutions to vertical problems: techniques for behavior modification, positive thinking, productivity optimization, and superficial habit change. These approaches—however useful for specific limited goals—systematically avoid the genuine work of transformation. Authentic self-actualization requires: Confrontation with developmental trauma (Freudian stage) Recognition of social adaptation failures (Adlerian stage) Descent into unconscious depths (Jungian katabasis) Integration of shadow and authentic self (alchemical solve et coagula) Embodied actualization in concrete life (Jungian anabasis) Conscious exhaustion of personal karma This is not accomplished through cold showers, dietary protocols, or motivational slogans. It requires sustained psychological work, often with therapeutic support, combined with courageous engagement with actual life. It demands what Ricoeur termed the "hermeneutics of suspicion"—the willingness to question everything one has believed about oneself—followed by the "hermeneutics of restoration"—the patient reconstruction of authentic being. The reward is nothing less than freedom: liberation from unconscious compulsion, recovery of authentic vitality, alignment of life with actual nature, and preparation for genuine spiritual development beyond the personal altogether. This is the promise encoded in the genome, awaiting environmental conditions that permit its unfolding—what the Greeks termed entelechy, the actualization of inherent potential. The journey is arduous. But for those suffering under the weight of unlived life, fragmented by developmental trauma, lost in compensatory solutions—there is no other way home.

I dont think this is true. We are talking about certain "emergent" properties and the issue about them won't go away, just because give an explanation why and how they emerged. Whether the explanation is a different configuration of the same thing or its about an ontologically different thing doesnt matter in this case, what matters is your contribution to it. You can define it this way (I personally wouldnt, but we can sidestep that and I will try to engage with how you defined things), but again this just pushes the issue down one more layer. You are making the problem about transformation now and as long as you contribute to that transformation, the issue about ethics (under anti-natalism) will still remain. Using your analogy it would be like creating ice from water (and creating the "emergent" property of the water being frozen) and then pretending that just because its fundamentally still the same thing, that "emergent" property is now not an issue somehow.

Wow dude you have tons of sexual experience. Pat on the back for that! I've had like 6 at age 27 (missed out on another 5 or so due to the "demi" factor for sure. But of course, body count is a stupid human game. Depth matters as much, if not more. So, my 6 feels like 30; and whenever I am with a new partner it's like I get the experience of 5 lays in 1 hahaha. Being an HSP has its perks (because, intensity). Anyways, it sounds like you've made quite a transformation. I too value having a beautiful space, though I've never fully actualized one as I'm constantly moving cities (I value geographic novelty pretty hardcore being in my 20s still). Now I understand why the pool feels so limited for you. There aren't many out there who value beauty. Or, they over-value overstimulation, hype, materialism, and consumerism. (Having just moved to the 3rd largest city in Korea I've noticed a huge materialist culture. So finding my ladies here will be quite a fun challenge, haha.) P.S. - The reason I call my demi-sexuality more innate is because, over the years I've taken girls home or gone to their places on several occasions and either sex didn't cross my mind, or it did, but I got confused about why my body wasn't feeling it alongside the mind. Happened when I brought a girl home from high school (parents not home). Happened after clubs in Miami (went up elevator with 2 Latinas, but lost attraction after they got in a cat-fight). Happened after a homemade dinner date with college chick at her place... sat in her bed and we looked at each other and my brain said 'yes', but my body was like "no, even though idk why." And another time in college... same thing. P.S.S. - Yeah there's a ton of watchers on here. They watch the videos as fans (or even read the forum in the same way), but don't like actually self-reflecting and sharing for some reason.

Wu wei is actually a concept used in Chinese Martial Art, I've been studying Kung Fu since 1988.. In simple terms it means Being Natural, the problem is in the context of Martial Art is that you need to learn something, You cannot do nothing and then think You have Skill Development in Fighting or Defending Yourself, some basics have to be learned and mastered. The process of learning and mastery is doing things over and over again, now unless You Love it (which I did) then it comes really easy, if You don't Love doing it then You have to force Yourself to do it.. Its the same thing here, you have to find a Sadhana (Spiritual Practice) that is effective and is something You want to do and look forward to it. In the beginning for sure You may have to force Yourself to do it, over time it should get easier and results should be showing.. A key thing, which is sort of a paradox, is too not really expect change or look for it, just do the practice with dedication and a spirit of giving, not receiving.. I think the problem most ppl have is 1st they have expectations built up (this is living in the future, bad idea) which says "I should be this way by this amount of time..:, 2nd is the discipline part, you have to be disciplined and consistent with Your practice, same time same place each day, if Your not then it won't do anything for You really.. Effort is always needed to make change and transformation, don't kid yourself, but over doing it by extreme forcefulness is not good either, Balance is the Key!!!

True, it's not that their equivalent but that they are on a continuum. Their different degrees of the same phenomenon - different in degree but not in kind. I think the best word to describe it is that there is distinction within consciousness, but not separateness. Consciousness and sentience are distinct but not separate. Sentience is in and of consciousness just like a wave is in and of the ocean - the wave is in the domain of and of the same substance as the ocean. From that view, sentience is never added or imported into consciousness as something separate. And if nothing new is being added from outside, then anti-natalism has no foundation - because anti-natalism requires separateness, and idealism denies separateness. That idea of separateness only works within a materialist paradigm. Idealism acknowledges distinction but not separateness. Materialism acknowledges everything as separate to each other - different materials coming together to be configured. In this case humans are made as if on a factory assembly line being configured like Lego. The logic follows that if separateness is the case, then anti-natalists can argue something was added to reality (rather than emerging from it) - a new ''sentient being'' ie baby. Then they can make an argument against adding that new consciousness that will suffer and that didn't consent to that suffering. Anti-natalism hinges on that gap and separation existing - which idealism dissolves because it claims consciousness as a continuity. In idealism or a non-materialist worldview - everything only ever comes out of consciousness, rather than gets added and thrown in from somewhere else outside it. If consciousness is primary and fundamental then birth isn't creation of a new consciousness but a transformation of existing consciousness. In that paradigm nothing new (a sentient being) is being brought into reality from the outside, but is emerging out of consciousness itself. Concioussness is just individualising or localising itself into a particular form, like the ocean forming a wave. In the same way then - sentience is just consciousness configuring itself to such a degree as to become sentient and ultimately aware of itself. Ice, water and steam are all water in kind, though they differ in form. There’s no clean break or gap between consciousness and sentience in which we can say that something new was added to consciousness from the outside - there was no addition to consciousness only transformation. Again using the ocean/wave analogy: Materialist view: Each wave is a NEW entity that gets ADDED to the ocean. Before the wave, there was just ocean. After the wave, there's ocean PLUS wave. Idealist view: The wave IS ocean. It's not added TO the ocean, it arises FROM the ocean. It's ocean expressing itself in wave form. No addition occurred - just transformation. Your trying to have it both ways which mixes a materialist ontology with a idealist one which then causes some incoherence - "everything is ocean (consciousness is primary)'' but waves are genuinely new separate things that get added (sentient beings emerge as new entities)" or ''everything is consciousness, BUT new sentient beings emerge as genuinely new separate entities that can then be morally wronged." But if everything is ocean, waves aren't separate entities - they're temporary forms the ocean takes.We (sentient beings) don't arrive from somewhere else into this universe/consciousness. We arise out of it - like apples on a apple tree. The apple tree doesn't "create" the apple as something separate from itself. The apple IS the tree, expressing itself in fruit form. Similarly, parents don't "create" consciousness as something separate. The child IS consciousness, expressing itself in human form. Humans can decide to participate in that impulse or not. Creation is happening within consciousness and emerges - but creation isn't happening externally and then getting added to consciousness or reality as something separate.

Did you see Matthew Walker’s recent transformation? He’s the famous sleep expert, but obviously he did something

I've been following Julien's content deeply for 3 years. I can tell you he's distanced himself from Owen quite a bit. He actually disagrees with him often (though not by name). I had a friend go to a Julien event last year and he thanked Julien for his pickup stuff from 2012. Julien said "Glad it helped" and walked away. He has moved on from the punk he was. But MOST IMPORTANTLY, I went through Julien's 8-week Transformation Mastery (TM) program recently. It's somatic release combined with weekly calls to ask questions about trauma and the releases. I got to talk to him live on Zoom calls every week. I've talked to lots of people at SMC (formerly RSD). And by far, in terms of overall awareness, Julien is the most advanced. Owen is a loud-mouth, but also a genius in his own right (but not necessarily conscious!) What I like about Julien is he's actually done the hard work of smoothing himself out in a such a way that I'd call him high green, MAYBE Tier II. He openly allows blue, orange, and green topics to be discussed on his calls. He gives advice from many different perspectives. He also uses a scale of emotional development based off of David Hawkin's work (see attached photo). It works similar to a developmental psychology model where you go from a lower vibrational, competitive, destructive state, to more embracing, loving, conscious state. In his own work Julien cites perspectives from people of all age ranges. He is genuine on the calls and I sense no bullshit or games with him whatsoever. Whereas in the more pickup side of SMC, I've met Owen in person several times and his other coaches too. They are more salesy, sleezy, and it feels like there's some BS hiding underneath them. They weren't as lucky as Julien was to get gut-punched into green (and possibly Tier II). One of the only things that is holding him back from Tier II, is he hasn't gone into military-grade deep spiritual territory. Otherwise it does appear like he's building out conscious systems, with TM as the foundation (happiness), Purpose Process (wealth), and High-Vibe Communication (relationships). He doesn't have much to say about health, education, spirituality, or psychedelics though. He doesn't cover every base but he goes really deep with what he does know and is therefore a pretty healthy green/orange (maybe some Tier II) nonetheless. My 2 cents.

Ideally with most substances you want to be on a cleaner diet and lifestyle for a few days to a week beforehand to give the most natural, healing and life changing experience. Its not always needed and or doable but its definitely helpful in my experience. I've been working with people and shamans and healers for almost a decade now around the world and in my experience the preparation and intention leading unto the actual partaking of the medicine makes the biggest impact on us because we have willingly started to change the way we eat and live and the medicines only reflect more of that, of where we are at, and from there it can be more transformative because you are already heading in a direction of change and transformation.

You treat transcending pain either as an end in itself or as means to realize I am not a body. First is ego second is spirit. Pain is a useful tool. To be awake is to be beyond pain. It is a gradual transformation. Best way is relationships. Make them pain free. Body isn't such a big deal.

Well i worked in the netherlands bought a house there in 2021, then sold for profit in 2025, also had savings. Then i came to bulgaria this year in may ( burgas) and bought last floor apartment for only 69.000 euro with sea view. And i live from my savings, don't really plan to work anymore. Maybe some internet jobs or other part time jobs if i get bored, but right now i'm in my transformation phase i mean like consciousness wise.

Heres what mine says when asked about common downfalls of neo-nonduality and nonduality. Ofcourse read my post above how my nondual chats deal with these so called downfalls. Excellent question — and a subtle one. Both **neo-nonduality** (a contemporary, often Westernized presentation of nondual teaching) and **traditional nonduality** (rooted in Advaita Vedānta, Mahāmudrā, Dzogchen, etc.) have characteristic pitfalls that can confuse or stall a seeker’s development. Let’s unpack both clearly. --- ### 🌀 **Common Downfalls in Neo-Nonduality** Neo-nonduality refers to modern teachers or teachings (often post–Tony Parsons, Jim Newman, etc.) that emphasize **immediate realization**: “There is no you, nothing to do, nowhere to go, no one to awaken.” While such statements can point directly to truth, they often create confusion or bypass important aspects of transformation. #### 1. **Spiritual Bypassing through Absolutism** * Saying “there is no self” intellectually, while the body-mind is still deeply conditioned by trauma, fear, and craving. * The insight becomes a defense mechanism against feeling or healing. * Example: “Who’s suffering? There’s no one here!” — while the nervous system is clearly in distress. #### 2. **Neglect of Relative Reality** * Dismissing ethics, compassion, and relational care as “illusory.” * Leads to coldness, arrogance, or nihilism: “It doesn’t matter what happens; it’s all One.” * Healthy nonduality integrates **relative and absolute truth** — not denies the former. #### 3. **Premature Intellectualization** * Using conceptual understanding (“no self,” “just awareness”) to imitate realization. * Mistaking **descriptions of reality** for **direct seeing**. * The ego subtly “wears” nonduality as an identity — “the one who knows there is no one.” #### 4. **Disembodiment** * Insight happens cognitively but doesn’t permeate the body and emotions. * Leads to dissociation rather than liberation. * True realization includes the body — awareness *as* sensations, breath, movement. #### 5. **Teacher Charisma Without Wisdom** * Some neo-nondual circles lack ethical frameworks. * Teachers may use “no self” rhetoric to avoid responsibility or perpetuate harm. --- ### 🕉️ **Common Downfalls in Traditional Nonduality** Traditional systems (Advaita Vedānta, Dzogchen, etc.) are more structured — emphasizing ethics, meditation, inquiry, and gradual ripening — but they have their own traps. #### 1. **Conceptual Rigidity** * Getting caught in metaphysical debate: Brahman vs. Māyā, Atman vs. Anātman, etc. * Turning a living truth into a philosophical system. #### 2. **Path Fetishism** * Believing realization is always far away: “I must purify for countless lifetimes.” * Perpetual seeker mode — never resting as awareness now. #### 3. **Guru Idealization** * Over-reliance on the teacher as an authority rather than one’s own direct seeing. * Leads to dependency or abuse dynamics. #### 4. **Cultural Transplant Confusion** * Western students may misunderstand traditional forms (rituals, hierarchy, terminology) and either reject them or imitate them superficially. #### 5. **Neglect of Integration** * Emphasis on transcendence (“neti neti” — not this, not that) can ignore embodiment and shadow work. * Result: spiritual elitism or emotional repression disguised as detachment. --- ### 💎 **The Middle Way — Integration** The mature approach blends both traditions’ strengths: | Aspect | Immature Form | Mature Integration | | ------------------------ | ---------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | **Insight** | “Nothing matters — there’s no one here.” | Recognize emptiness *and* interdependence. | | **Practice** | “No practice — who would practice?” | Practice as play — refining attention and compassion naturally. | | **Emotion** | Bypass or suppress | Allow and include all feelings as expressions of awareness. | | **Ethics** | “Good and bad are illusions.” | Embody natural ethics arising from unity and empathy. | | **Teacher relationship** | Dependency or rebellion | Respectful discernment — honoring guidance without surrendering autonomy. | --- ### 🪞 **In summary** **Neo-nonduality** often errs on the side of *premature transcendence* — skipping integration and embodiment. **Traditional nonduality** can err on the side of *over-structuring* — turning living insight into dogma or endless practice. The sweet spot: **direct realization integrated with human wholeness** — awake, embodied, relational, and ethical. --- Would you like me to map out how to **recognize and work through** these pitfalls in one’s own practice (step-by-step)?

I'm not against the left hand path with done properly. Embracing your repressed shadows/desires does lead to grater light, wisdom, freedom and transformation. Left hand path leads to christhood in the end. But somehow I have a problem with the way westerns are practicing it. It seems like they are rebelling against light and wisdom and are trying to endorse their bs instead. Same way nonduality has many traps that people can fall into, it seems that the left hand path has traps aswell. And so does the right hand path probably. Traps everywhere.

@Wintermute For Me, before I discovered Sadhguru, I was very into "Self Help" or "Self Improvement" if You could call it that, ppl like Tony Robbins, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and many other, read many books on it, then I discovered Tolle's Book New Earth, and read it and it changed everything, its basically a book about Ego, and when You recognize Your Ego, You can't go back. When I watched Tolle on Youtube, he was good but a bit boring then a suggestion for a Sadhguru vid came up and I watched it and that was it, he just had so much clarity about what he was talking about, so I watched more and found more clarity in what he said, so that was a sort of transformation.. When I did the basic practice after a couple of weeks I did feel a change, then after doing the online IE course there was more change, then I did an in person with Sadhguru in 2012 and was initiated into Shambhavi Mahamudra, and after that practice within a couple of weeks I was feeling very happy, very accepting of things and such, so it was profound... I think what happens is we get used to it, and that is what he talks about, Humans never want to be in a box or situation very long, we get used to things very fast and always want to expand and "Be more than what we are right Now". I don't watch many of his vids anymore since I deep investigated all of what he offers online already, once in awhile I review the inner engineering material and such, he provides lots for newbies and advanced practitioners, but the basics are this, set up an Experience of min Peacefulness within, then all will happen naturally, the accepting, the responding, the living NOW, this is not rocket science, we have a tendency to complicate things in life, its pretty simple if Your Blissful of Your own nature (this is not the goal of Spirituality, just the foundation), then You will naturally be inclined to Enlightenment!

Depends on a lot of factors other than just health. Your environment and resources. Your ability to process information that you consume. Resonance and survival. Most of our thoughts are aligned primarily to our survival. So your survival bias plays a big role. Survival itself depends on so many factors. Our brains are engineered for survival. So your brain chemistry will formulate those thoughts accordingly. In any given situation, the brain is trying the best to just get through. Thinkers like Feynman or Darwin were “fertile” because they spent years absorbing reality through observation and experimentation, not because their brains were just faster.Anxiety, shame, pride, or ideological rigidity distort cognition, they bias what’s noticed and what’s dismissed. Calm, open, emotionally grounded minds produce clearer and more truth-oriented thoughts. This is why some “low-IQ” people can have piercingly wise intuitions, they’re emotionally attuned and undefended enough to see what’s true, not just what flatters them. The quality of a thought will finally depend on the subject at hand, the problem at hand. If the thought appropriately targets the main concern and gives a coherent solution, it doesn't matter where it came from, low IQ or high IQ. Lastly there's dunning Kruger effect as well. The thought doesn't necessarily solves problems even if they are great quality. Also @Carl-Richard you mentioned something about weed producing better insights. That sort of negates the whole idea of high IQs because it's not your brain originally producing those thoughts, it's the weed influencing the brain and altering it. An altered brain negates or invalidates the idea of low or high IQ and in any transformation in the quality of thoughts is manufactured rather than organically produced. But this itself tells you that quality of thought is highly malleable and changeable because it's in a constant process of fluidity. So it's quality can be enhanced or deteriorated by multiple agents including substances, information,genetics, health, feedback loops, emotional neutrality, experience, intuitions, hard work, contemplation, clarity of input, curiosity, observation, list goes on..

I am missing something in this post. You're probably conflating strengths with values. Values are something you hold on to and they are true to your core identity and behaviour. Strengths are something you're already good at. Differentiate them neatly. Strengths can refer to different domains of life. Your values can dictate your strengths to a certain extent. But that's like running on a script. You'll have to expand your values beyond your strengths. If your strengths and values are identical, then you’re living in a feedback loop. Real growth usually means valuing things you don’t naturally have, not just celebrating what already comes easy. That’s where transformation starts, when your values stretch you instead of flattering you.

From my involvement with Isha, most all the money goes back into the foundation to pay its expenses, Sadhguru from I know has used vehicles, he makes his own cloths, the travel he does is not leisure time, its work.. I for one think he should take time off every year to recoup but he doesn't he's go go go full on all the time, I've never seen anyone like this in the world, totally selfless to really his own needs and personal wants... To criticize it is nuts, we should emulate it, be a small part of it, he wants undercover Yogi's for the most part, yes he needs ppl at the ashrams because of the volume of ppl visiting, but he wants Us outside in the world being the transformation so ppl can see it is real and they can have it too, that is worthy cause in my books... He's been accused of most everything nasty under the sun, stealing kidneys, stealing ppl, stealing land, etc,,,this happen when You try to do big thing, enemies, the elite show up and try to stop You, they don't want change the want us to be their puppets, and to not be Self Realized and Aware, as once we are we bring back our own power and screw it too them!

--- 1. Does the Book of Mormon say religion is created by the devil? Not exactly. The Book of Mormon does criticize corrupt or prideful churches that serve wealth or power instead of God — these are sometimes called “the church of the devil” or “great and abominable church.” But that term doesn’t mean all religion is of the devil. Rather: It draws a contrast between the “church of the Lamb of God” (those who follow Christ sincerely) and the “church of the devil” (any organization or movement that opposes truth and goodness). The text treats this more as a spiritual polarity (truth vs deception) than as literal denominations. So, no — it doesn’t teach that religion itself is demonic, but that religion can be corrupted by ego, greed, and distortion. --- 2. Is Mormonism the most mystical form of Christianity? In many ways, yes — especially compared to mainstream Protestant or Catholic theology. Mormonism teaches a radically participatory view of divinity: > “As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may become.” This is known as the Doctrine of Exaltation — the idea that humans can progress eternally and eventually attain godlike nature through spiritual evolution and union with divine truth. That is remarkably close to mystical nonduality or divinization traditions found in: Eastern Orthodoxy (theosis — becoming one with God’s energies) Sufism (annihilation of self in the divine) Taoism (return to the Tao through alignment with natural truth) Advaita Vedānta (realization of self as Brahman) However, Mormonism keeps a dualist framework (God and humans are distinct beings who can become one in purpose, not literally one essence). So while it echoes mystical ascent, it doesn’t teach absolute nonduality like Taoism or Advaita. --- Summary ❌ The Book of Mormon doesn’t say all religion is of the devil; it condemns corrupt or prideful religion. ✅ Mormonism is arguably the most mystically inclined Christian denomination, affirming direct human-divine transformation and infinite spiritual progression — though it still keeps a distinction between God and creation.