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"Both the sun creates order in chaos in our solar system." what does this mean? If God is "a force of nature" isn't that just saying that there is no God? You are putting nature before God, so what is God? Many claim that God is indeed personal and orderly, and not an impersonal chaotic force that has no mind. My question to you is: How does order arise out of chaos? How did you, a personal being with a rational mind, arise from a chaotic impersonal force? Where in your experience does order arise from chaos? Does anything orderly in your experience arise out of chaos? Are you comparing God to a dog?

I am very interested in having your opinion, since I have a problem with the very notion of Bodhisattva. The bigger the stabilization in Impersonal Absolute as Identity, the larger the contradiction to engage in practices or concepts that imply a separate "spiritual charachter in the show", which actually belongs to what I call "Expression", or the whole vibratory manifestation of/from/within the Absolute. In my view, the Bodhisattva role only has a meaning in a stage of development where there hasn´t been a realization where every single "individual" is a vibrational character emerging within Oneself, with Oneself being the only factor with Sentience or Awareness. "Bodhisattva" thus would necessarily imply the notion of one of those actually unconscious vibrational characters being conscious, and deciding to help other supposedly conscious vibrational characters to know their real Self. But in reality, it is the Absolute that brings its Awareness, the only one there is, to each unconscious avatar, to play a game of manifestation. What´s your take on this? How would then Bodhisattva, which is a concept depending on a not completely developed sense of Identity be the key factor to open gates to higher realms? Wouldn´t that imply the irony that it takes forgetfulness of our Absolute Identity as the motor that keeps manifestation going subtler and subtler?

"You are loved and you are love and you will never die! And spirit is within you, and the spirit was the world. And the world will be saved. And we will all awaken. And live, we will live and love" — Keryo Koffa, May 2024 0:00 - 2:00 - Impersonal God Materializing itself through Humans 2:00 - 3:20 - God personifies itself thru creation and exploration 3:20 - 3:48 - God realizes love through unifying into wholeness 3:48 - 4:38 - God existing as and in all forms across Infinity

@Princess Arabia Sorry, I was just making fun of a very apparent synchronicity. Namely, the response curve between these comments. It sounded like: A: "Dave did some stupid shit yesterday, but you probably won't believe me, because he's your boyfriend and all..." B: "DAVE WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING! THAT'S NOT WHO DAVE IS! SOMEONE MUST HAVE SET HIM UP!" Um, you literally just channeled me... it's kinda like Orange talking sarcastically about Green. Orange says: What's next? Deconstruct society?! Unite with nature? Make everyone vegan? Legalize psychedelics? And for Orange, all of that is crazy, dangerous, wacky mumbo-jumbo, that it's clearly mocking and making fun of. But then Green is like: Well no, but actually... YES. I don't get how you know me so well and aren't on my side yet lol You see, even the distinction between Duality and Non-Duality is itself a Duality. God is all superpositions and beyond all of them simultaneously. Every single personalization in its infinite personal depth all all impersonal being and all Non- and Transcendent being. And for that absolute superposition that includes all, within which all is equal, that it transcends Not just "classical impersonal dissociative buddhist non-existence non-duality"

Here we can see a couple things: @Princess Arabia's Stages of Denial progressing through Dissociation and Depersonalization @RendHeaven's accelerating Vigor in transcending Humanity @Yimpa's Charming Mediation Skills @UnbornTao asking questions instead of realizing the answers Fine, I'll do it myself: Relax, wait that's not it. "Tense upon, try to scream, feel the hand over your mouth suffocating you while you swing your legs and arms trying to break free", wait that's just one variety, "Endure, don't move, don't risk the situation getting worse, hope you'll make It out alive, let your life flash in front of your eyes" wait, that's just another variety "Feel the thrusts, taking your autonomy, overriding all sefl-respect, revealing all struggle useless, you're no person, you're no being, you're a lump of meat for the world to ridicule", wait there's more "Feel each sensation amplifying, as the sadistic torture continues, let each moment stretch to days, each breath now turbulent, you're wondering if you should just stop struggling, stop breathing and drop dead" and the reverse, "struggling for life, you let go of all shame and go with it, society is a joke, humanity is a joke, everything and everyone is a selfish bastard and you hope they all die in the cruelst way possible" and then some and then some more perspectives to infinity. There are many Gods. The God of Non-Duality. The God of Unity. The God of Infinity. The God of Duality. The non-dual God doesn't care, rape is impossible for the unified god. The infinite God explores the depths of rape. The God of duality hates rape but is bound to it. All Gods are parts of God and so every interpretation is true, yet circumstances, explanations, and attitudes still apply in sense, context, and intent. The rapist doesn't care and is driven by overpowering craving/sadism/pleasure, the victim becomes the canvas for lust, expressing all the pent-up frustration drawn from one's life. The victim is made to experience overwhelming suffering, energetically channeled hate, not unlike all other types of violence, be it violence, wars, humiliation, extortion, threats, slavery, torture, sadism, demonization, corruption, judgment, pain. This specific example is of sexual rape, but rape comes in all forms and pervades all our lives, some more significant than others. The circumstance of a rape victim is especially powerful shower due how impersonal the act is on one hand and how cruel, painful, disempowering, dehumanizing and specific it is on the other, being channeled towards one individual. Some end remarks: It sucks but it's god also.

It's just energy masking as rape. We call it rape and energy knows nothing about rape. No need to call me out saying unlike you. I don't need to like rape. There's no rule book saying one needs to like rape. You're projecting that unto the Universe with your human talk. The Universe is impersonal. God doesn't love anything, that's duality. There's no separation, so how is God loving anything. Know your shit before you start saying unlike me. When the "unlike me" dies, where does that leave my disdain for rape. Same place it was when it started, nowhere. So I choose to not like rape, doesn't make a difference to the Universe as I'm just a drop in the ocean to it.

Such communication gaps are always strange, having to speak what should be intuitive. We project feelings onto each other and construct what may not even be there. One would assume close friends would understand each other's motives. Oftentimes it's a deep reliance on someone as a source of comfort. And that's the role you filled with her, impersonal for you. And so you needed to leave to expand your life. And she just hasn't prepared for that. It's quite tragic but inevitable. She has to process that. Give it some time. And don't guilt yourself. over it.

Child abuse is like eating a shit sandwich rather than a tuna sandwich. You can say you dont judge its all impersonal, it dont matter, God dont care, but you still not eating a shit sandwich? Sandwich with feces that is. Id like a picture proof you dont care about what manifests. Evil is when someone forces you to eat a shit sandwich. Evil is manipulation and control, perversion. Love is soft and gentle. Love does not force and degrade, it empowers. Love does not manipulate and attack, it cares and protects.

It's OK, that's where you're at. Understanding of the bugger picture will dissolve this perspective. Realizing that it's energy at play and that the once the individual has emerged within consciousness and it believes it's a separate somebody that now has to fight to stay alive and it's me against the world and everything it sees is other, this comes with that type of energy. There's no separation, God doesn't see human and the Universe is impersonal. That's what unconditional love is. The limited mind has a hard time with this. I do understand your take, but it's a false perspective that was born out of ignorance to Truth.

@NoSelfSelf I keep hearing about psychopathy, be it meta or post-irony and weakness due to a lack of manipulation skill and I'm probably too alien for these threads, but building intricate social personas and alpha lifestyles ultimately solely to pursue pussy and create elaborate pull & push chase-psychology models and the whole pickup thing just to buy into a conceptual romance/relationship game, is something I have never found any value in. Self-transformation? Definitely. Find a compatible match? Sure But being addicted to telegraphed repetitive romance/sex/relationship attitudes reflected everywhere, that create elaborate "frameworks" to "master" an "impersonal" attitudinal charade? People seem to feel entitled to and shape their lives around it, that sounds pathetic to me. Especially, since everything that is truly being sought is the kind of internal validation that you can give yourself without using others as a proxy.

Right. In Infinite Being/Infinite Consciousness/Infinite Reality appears or arises or manifests human consciousness. Human consciousness has certain arising elements (certain I-feelings/I-thoughts/human cognition/body/world/....). Same for any other perspective (ant, Alien,n+1). The Infinite Reality has no/zero arisings. It is. Reality itself. And its not human. Nor alien. Nor anything at all. Because of that, it can give rise to anything (ant, orang utan, human, alien, alien n+1). That becomes obvious once the separte-self is emptied out, cut off and transcended completely and only the Infinite Vastness or Ocean of Infinite Awareness/ Infinite Being remains. Because THAT can't go anywhere else. If there is too much "human" (or human-consciousness) in the Realization of Infinite Being, maybe there is... too much human still left? That realization is the END of the human one thought one was and believed in. Exactly. And why is there quite often the talk about human consciousness or alien consciousness? Because the differentiation between the Infinite Reality/Infnite Consciousness that is always "there" and the arising perspective and its separte-being is not fully clear, because it is not fully transcended/emptied out. Not enough time on psychedelic highs to do that... Trying to get to nondual awakened states with meditation means automatically to cut off any separate-self building block (thoughts, I-thoughts, I-feeling), so its automatically trained in order to get near any awakened nondual state. Psychedelics give these nondual unity states for free, no incentive to cut off the separate-self/ego which projects itself on the new state/nondualunity/alien/whatever. And that remaining human-separation arisings (or alien-separation-arisings for that matter) kills the awakened state in daily sobre life and its inherent non-contraction/non-suffering/bliss, and disfigures any "realization" of impersonal Infinite Being by projecting the remnants of the separate-self on it. Hence, belittled mere "human" Enlightenment. Can't imagine anything else... And then add some limiting beliefs like "one needs hardcore long meditation-retreats to get anywhere" (which yours truly never really did, but collected the 1000s of hours mostly in daily life), and "genetics", and some complaints about gaslighting about ones awakenings (which is the funniest part (sorry) of it all, because how can one gaslight the self-evident-absolutely-clear-and-self-explanatory-undoubtable-and-always-available-once-reached Absolute. And what could get gaslightened? The remnants of the separate-ego, which should get transcended and smoked anyway...) et voila we have large parts of actualized.org. But to be honest, all comments/criticism aside: Without these little confusions on the way back home, no game/Lila could be possible. So its all fine. . I truly appreciate all "players" and especially our dear host. Consciousness/Reality wants this wonderful show. Else It wouldn't appear exactly as it does, in all beings/perspectives/Holons. In the end, ignorance/separation and hide-and-seek is fun. And ignorance/separation is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance. Infinite Consciousness/Reality likes it and obviously wants it! Else it wouldn't appear. Because who or what controls what appears? In Reality, nothing truly ever happens, just a game of moving forms and illusions in the eternal "That" which has no moving parts nor outside, and hence can not be harmed in any way. What is "That" again? Selling Gods lovely high-end hide and seek game by the River

One can only get it when it is realized that any separate identity is false and just a wrong arising thought/feeling/concept in Infinite Being/Reality/mindstream (like 1 + 1 = 3. Just not the case). For that to happen, the mindstream needs to conform to Absolute Reality of Infinite Being/Consciousness/Suchness. Among others, the most important ones are: Nondual: Boundless infinite "field" or better Reality of the visual field Infinite: Nothing could ever be outside of it (for example other perspectives/beings that YOU forget right now in real time, although they happen in True You). Everything can only be IT. Mere appearance/illusion: Every appearance of the "world" is just empty mere appearance, hovering like a non-solid hologram ("clear light", mere appearance-emptiness) in YOUR True Infinite Being. Eternal: The appearance in that Infinite field/Reality changes, but never THAT. That can't go anywhere else. And since IT is nothing (or better: Infinite Nothingness but with the potential for sentience if appearance arises in it, made of it) already, that Reality can't disappear (field is not so correct, since True Being is dimensionless... Its not 3D or 5D, but CONTAINS all possible dimensions, however many dimensions manifest (3/4/5/n/alien/totally other/n+1). Lets call it Infinite Vastness) All ignorant/wrong concept/believes/feelings of being anything separate (mind, body, soul, whatever) seen through: are just a thought/feeling-arising-bundle arising within IT, and ignorantly believed because ones speed of awareness is too slow to cut off these illusions in real-time. Only then does one have a chance of realizing True Solipsism (although I don't like that as teaching tool, because its incomprehensible until it happens, and lead nowhere as practice), or True Enlightenment. One without a second. So its fruitless to think with a separate-self still well and alive about Solipsism, that will never "go anywhere". It is impossible. But getting the Mindstream to conform the the enlightened Mindstream (points above) so that this realization can happen, that can be done, and that is worth the effort. Then the realization can happen. My preferred and recommended tools are Mahamudra PotgW, Yoga of One Taste (for the Nondual points above, 1-4), and Yoga of Nonmeditation (to fully establish point 5, and to get rid of the meditator still "running" points 1-4. Selling Water by the River PS: When Wilber wrote No Boundary, he didn't have Full Enlightenment, just some Kenshos. But not full impersonal Enlightenment, according to his own statements. His true impersonal Enlightenment (or death of the illusion of the separate-self) happened while writing Sex, Ecology, Spirituality, and how that went down is described in One Taste. "Realizing that the separate self (of any kind) doesn't exist (beyond a mere appearing illusion), did never exist, and will or could never exist". PSPS: Problems start when remnants of the separate self hijack the identity of/as "Absolute Solipsism". That would be something like the Infinity of Gods(-Egos). Does that sound like One Being, Solipsism? Or more like an Infinity of God-Egos inflated and projected on Infinity.The true intuition that there is only One Reality/Being, but that not cleansed from separate-self/ego/personality-elements. Hence, no stable nondual realization in daily life with the 5 points of Awakened Nondual Awareness above accessible anytime. That confusion can be similiar to the stage of Yoga of One Taste, which already brings Nondual States (like psychedelics also do), but Enlightenment doesn't happen there yet, because the remaining separate-self is not cleansed via the Yoga of Nonmeditation. It is not truly impersonal yet. True Being is utterly utterly impersonal (hence, IT fits into all individual mindstreams), and yet contains the personality and its individual traits arising within IT. And that is what you truly are. So nothing than an illusion of being something else than THAT is lost.

ADHD is more of a homeostatic karmic psychophysiological pattern, than an "impersonal disorder"

It is not a personal choice of a personal God. It's more impersonal, like physics. When does God decide when a volcano will errupt? God is not actively micromanaging your life.

From the teachings of A.H. Almaas What is Ontology? Diamond Approach Teachings About: Ontology Activities Don't Have an Ontological Presence This is a very important difference. It means that emotions don't really exist except in the sense that activities exist. They are activities, and activities don't have an ontological presence. Essence, on the other hand, is not an activity. As we saw in chapter 1, essence is a presence, and its basic quality is its existence as an ontological actuality, as a “suchness.” An emotion is an activity that starts and ends, whereas essence is a presence. An emotion is like the movement of water, the activity that is the motion. The motion of water is not the water. Water can be still, without motion. Essence, on the other hand, is like the water. It exists whether there is motion or not. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 26 Ego is a Structure or a Structured Process Whereas the Pearl is an Ontological Presence The pearl is the real, complete, balanced, and rounded personality that psychologists believe they are talking about when they are discussing the ego. We must remember that the ego is a structure, or a structured process, whereas the pearl is essence, which means the pearl is an ontological presence. We call it the personal essence because among all the essential aspects it alone is personal. It is experienced as having a personal flavor to it, in contradistinction to impersonal. All aspects of essence, even love and kindness, are impersonal. But the pearl is personal. And this is its miraculous quality, totally unexpected and unfathomable. Some people interested in inner development try to become objective and impersonal, to move away from identifying with the personality. The personality is personal, and so the personal feeling is mistrusted and avoided. However, the pearl beyond price feels personal without being the personality. It has the capacity to make a personal contact with another human being and still be free, totally unconditioned, free from the past and its influences. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 162 Essence is an Embodied Presence, an Ontological Actuality There are other classes of mental experience that are customarily regarded as the experience of essence when in fact they are not, such as the experiences of insight and intuition. In psychotherapy, for instance, one might have an insight about oneself, about others, or about the nature of reality. It often occurs as a flash of illumination and is accompanied by a sense of expansion and certainty. Such insights can provide valuable information and affective satisfaction. Still, the experience of insight is not itself essence, not yet. An insight is an event, and essence is a presence. An insight is an experience of understanding a specific truth, whereas essence is an embodied presence, an ontological actuality Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 21 Essence Reveals Itself as the Ontological Nature of All Existence This essentialization can include all aspects. So the soul’s action can be intelligent, compassionate, clear, steadfast, etc., in a total and full way. And this action can be physical, expressive, or mental. She is presence of essence, but also a dynamic living presence whose morphogenic transformations express the pure perfections of true nature. In this transformation the soul has progressed from the stage of the human soul, the attainment of the second journey, to the stage of the angelic soul, or the essential soul. The second side of the development of nonduality in the journey in presence has to do with essential presence manifesting its ground of true nature. Essence here reveals itself not only as the ontological nature of the soul but as the ontological nature of all existence, all manifestation. True nature begins to reveal its omnipresence, disclosing that it is the ground and nature of everything. This appears as true nature revealing its boundless and formless dimensions that transcend the limited boundaries of the ego-self, even the individuality or personhood of the soul. The soul does not experience herself here as an individual soul, but as a boundless and nonlocal presence that transcends all spatial extensions, as eternal nowness that transcends all time, and as a mystery that transcends all determinations. She is all and everything, she is Reality. The Inner Journey Home, pg. 225 It is Possible to Experience Ourselves as the Actual Ontological Presence that We Are Our experience of ourselves can be transformed from identifying with our mental self-images to having awareness of less contingent, more fundamentally real aspects of the self. It is possible to arrive at a place where we can experience ourselves as the actual phenomenon, the actual ontological presence that we are, rather than as ideas and feelings about ourselves. The more we are able to contact the actual presence that we are, the less we are alienated in a superficial or externally defined identity. The more we know the truth of who we are, the more we can be authentic and spontaneous, rather than merely living through concepts of ourselves. Among the many methods that shift the quality and depth of experience, those used by religious and spiritual traditions are more effective in contacting deeper dimensions of the self, with a more thoroughly developed understanding of these dimensions and their significance for living life than those used by the newer science of psychology. However, psychology has contributed powerful new knowledge about the human being that allows us to systematically work through the barriers to these deeper levels of self, especially the barriers to integrating these levels into one’s identity. In particular, the current understanding of narcissism is very useful for the process of inner realization, the process of learning to contact and appreciate the deeper levels of our nature and allowing these dimensions to actually affect our identity The Point of Existence, pg. 7 Ontological Presence It is possible to arrive at a place where we can experience ourselves as the actual phenomenon, the actual ontological presence that we are, rather than as ideas and feelings about ourselves. The Point of Existence, pg. 7 There are 8 or 9 more excerpts here https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/ontology

Who or what are the machine elves? Who are you, the one wanting to meet them? Who are you before your parents were born? You can't get there, since you are already there. How fast your mindstream will conform to the quite specific conditions (among them nondual & awakened & boundless & timeless & impersonal) necessary to realize and understand that beyond a shadow of a doubt: Who can know? But in the end you can't avoid it. So have fun along the way. When you are tired of the necessary contraction and suffering that constitutes believing to be a single wave in the ocean & wanting to say hi to more machine elves & aliens, the Infinite Ocean is always there for you to drop in and to dissolve into your boundless infinite and eternal nature. PS: Saying hi to the machine elves & aliens fast and efficiently can speeden up the process of getting tired & satisfied of having done that also. What is better: Aiming directly for dropping into the Infinite Ocean asap., or aiming for meeting the machine elves & aliens & turtles as fast as possible in order to be done with that: No one can tell you, only the intuition of your heart can tell you what your Karma is.

I wouldn't say it like that. Understanding doesn't need to be an illusion. It is very real. Understanding the Pythagorean theorem is done by You. Only You can understand. There is nothing else that could do that. Understanding is instantaneous if it happens. "Understanding" one is a separate being is an illusion (and no understanding, but just wrong), because its just not true. Understanding that ones True Being is Infinite Being/Reality (and impersonal) is correct. And so on. Its just that there is an Infinity (of manifestation) to understand. And then there is understanding of ones essence, of impersonal Infinite Being/Infinite Reality, is the most important understanding/realization. It relieves also the urge to understand every details of the Infinity of appearances. God is busy exploring its potential (of an Infinity of Infinities of manifestation/appearance/realms). But there is a critical threshold where "it" understands its essence and Reality.

Sure? If I were you I would start wondering why you are not in a nondual infinite state of mere appearance in daily life sobre. Hint: Remaining not transcended very fast and sneaky appearing separate-self thoughts/feelings/filters/lenses which are not seen through because Awareness is too slow to cut these off real-time. And these separate-self-remnants hypnotize and give bias to all appearing appearance. Btw., not theory, but personal experience. What stands between you and impersonal nondual infinite mere appearance Awakened Awareness is... too much not fast enough seen through/cut off Leo. And through these lenses you filter all your Alien- and facets of Awakening experiences. Trust me on that: You can not anticipate how it is when these finally drop. And all your alien-preferences are the same illusion-filters of... Leo. Sure there are Aliens against we all look like ants! But they have the same essence as "we" have. And then there are Aliens against which the alien of the former sentence look like ants. Forever, turtles upon turtles upon turtles... And there are Aliens that make that alien-Leo-consciousness (of) appear like ants. Turtles upon Turtles, n+1, forever. But have fun climbing that turtles... You go wave surfing, yours truly dissolved in the Infinite Ocean... its a free country I guess. Ok, lets see if Keanu spirit is still among us: "I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves Selling "Have fun" by the River

I think that You cannot think of infinity like this, since "you" are the result of an apparent duality, perception and perceiver, subject/object, that is occurring in this specific experience, therefore you will only experience this specific experience, and when die, you will disappear. What remains is absolute infinity, which is impersonal and nothing happens to it since it is immutable.

two possibilities: one, reality is flowing and in its flow it creates a subject who is the center of the experience, who listens to the sounds. This subject really is the sounds, he doesn't hear them. Nobody listens, the sounds are. There is no such thing as hearing, but rather it is an appearance that occurs when the sound occurs. another, the infinite being creates the experience to listen to it. a creator god who creates qualia and experience. which one do you choose? imo, reality is completely impersonal, ultimately it is an unlimited vastness of existence, and from it arises the infinite being that those fragments you cited speak of, the infinite self, and that being combines infinitely in infinite universes synchronized with each other to infinity. An atom is one universe, a cell is another, a human, a city, a galaxy, a universe, multiverse, etc. that's what it seems to be. The question would be: what is enlightenment? Be the unlimited self, or maybe it's still a construction? Well, if it's unlimited it's eternal. When I realized I perceived it like what always was. But imo the real enlightenment is go beyond of that self, to total substance of reality, the totality before any self, where the infinite self is contained. The realization of the infinite self, even sounds paradoxical because it's infinite, is limited, because that self is concrete in a way: it's you.

I have had that realization many times with 5meo. I am the timeless being, I have always been here, my freedom is total and my joy is absolute. but there is a small problem with this: it is personal. I am. there is self. an eternal, indescribable self, but a self that perceives itself as self and knows what it is with absolute clarity. It is not empty vastness, it is infinite self. So, I think there is still identification. On the other hand, only with meditation with one or two puffs of weed, I have had an experience of total opening. There is no self, there is infinite emptiness, and this emptiness opens and shows its essence, it is totality. I look at it and in a moment I am it, but not as a self, but as a total indefinite, impersonal reality. It is extremely difficult to maintain this because the natural human self needs to be a self, it cannot be indefinite, so they are brief openings, a minute or two. Then, how to be sure of anything? Right now im not having those perceptions, so are they real?

Infinite Being IS the dream appearing "in" Infinite Vastness/Being, which has no outside. Appearance is the "light" of consciousness. Appearance is not substantial or material, just mere appearance (in Tibetan Buddhism then called Clear Light, which it actually is. Lucid and bright and no more solid and dense. That is the case when the illusion of dense/material/solid/dual/out-there-ness is lifted, because it can also appear in such ways). And not "out there", but nondual. There is neither subject nor object (these are illusion-arisings), but only Infinite Being. Hence nondual. Impersonal Nondual Infinite Being. There is no subject hallucinating anything. There is just Infinite Being. THIS. The illusion-arisings of the hallucinating subject (and its necessary illusion-counterpart, the "object") can drop away anytime, restoring the original state of impersonal nondual Infinite Being. The appearances of the "world", thoughts, feelings, the character, any understanding, any concept, states, Awakening, non-Awakening, dream, sleep, deep sleep, waking, any state and anything perceivable just floats/rolls through "this" Impersonal Reality which is always right here. And "this" impersonal Reality only perceives itself. And at some point, understands "itself" and realizes "its" (nondual) nature, and what it has always been. Yet, "it" only ever has been "itself". Who is reading this again? And then replace "it" with... Selling just IT Water by the River to itself

Great answer, thanks. About that fragment...let's see. The nature of reality is essentially empty, absolute immensity, as you said, but at the same time it is absolutely full. That's what I meant by an openness that can burn not only the false identity but also physically. Let's see, the opening to full totality, or infinite love, or total light, means according to my experience (which as I already said can be identification, although I think not) that the infinite, by the very fact of being infinite, is everything, and that totality is an immutable reality. everything that was and will be, eternally, concentrated in a formless singularity. It is not a realization of freedom, like infinite vastness, but of absolute, unimaginable power. You can't be open to this constantly, it seems toxic, radioactive to say the least. Then, in my experience, that could be distorted, there are two faces of reality: the empty face and the full face. If reality were absolutely empty, nothing would arise, it would simply be nothing, but reality is. As you have said, the infinite being. What is this infinite being? It's you obviously, but what are you really? When infinity opens up and shows what it is, it blinds you. It is the explosion of infinite supernovas from infinite multiverses, something you can only intuit. It is not flat imagination that creates images, it is total power that creates dimensions and life. You can't be open to it, it has to be veiled or it would kill you, not your ego but your body. This means that reality is not imaginary. If it were, a subject that does the act of imagining would be needed. Impossible. Reality is just the absence of limits, and as you said it's impersonal. An infinite being that imagines is personal, that's a mistake of appreciation, a limited perception. The reality is everything due the absence of limitations, and this "everything" is the total realization. There is nobody imagining or creating, it's only the infinite flow that arises like a natural phenomena from the totality, that ultimately is you, but a you absolutely impersonal, pure light, or pure love could be a definition.

@Water by the River and there is something else, correct me if you think I'm wrong, because I could be completely wrong. In addition to being infinite, impersonal and free, there is a living substance of the infinite. By the very fact of being infinite, it is everything, and this totality manifests itself in what they call mystical love or infinite love, the total brilliance of sacred, immutable existence, which is the core, the heart of reality and truly the only one. reality, the immutable because it is everything, the total absolute, which now takes the appearance of this concrete situation. You can't be totally open to that long time because it burns, it has to be partially veiled to maintain this experience.

But there could be degrees of that. You could be with some suffering but perceiving you as infinite impersonal being. You suggest that it's something that happens one day and then you always are without separation/grasping/suffering. It could be like that sometimes, others no. Depending of the circumstances. And even you perceive yourself totally open, infinite, impersonal, the reality, this reality could perceive itself absolutely, all it sacred openess, the absolute freedom and joy of being, the immutable existence, or not so deep, mixed with the experience. Or according to you, when it's totally open once it's always totally open?