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The essence of what we all are, all life is, is the same, you can say it is Energy, a subtle form of Energy, or some call it soul or atman, whatever it is it is Us, but we have unique and different Body/Mind complexes.. Its like a bubble, we are bubbles of Energy or God/Absolute separated by the layer of Bubble material.. This bubble material is karmic material, it is like the glue, its keeps all the 5 bodies together and intact, food,mind,energy,etheric and bliss body. Food body is on the grossest level, Bliss body the most subtle, non physical in nature, Now I do not know how this process came about, the mechanics of it, but the why I think is simple, Absolute wants to know itself, so via the Potential making machine it is, we are here to play it out within a certain set of rules and limitations, a game of sorts, that's my take on it.. In the end we will never really know the Why of Existence, the Why of why I am here, and why are things the way they are, its too complex, to sophisticated, if You go down this rabbit hole You will endlessly be asking WHY. I much rather bask in the knowing of I do not know everything and experience Bliss and Source as much as possible..

Nice!! The permanency comes from setting up the right atmosphere within in.. We have a Body and Mind, via the Body and Mind we can Experience and Express, if we set up the Body and Mind to what we want to Experience, then it will be permanent.. My Mother Experienced Depression, it was a daily thing, in fact daily at certain times she would feel it more intensely and less intensely but it was a daily thing, I witnessed it.,, If this is so, why can't someone feel Bliss daily?? Its possible! Now Bliss is not the goal of Spirituality, its just the foundation, if Your Blissful naturally daily, then Sat and Chit (Truth and Consciousness/Brahman/Source Intelligence) are more available to You since the atmosphere within You is more receptive in this state of Being.. So that is what the various Eastern practices like Yoga and Taoism are about, to set up the atmosphere so You Experience daily the God/Absolute that is within Us and all around Us, the is our highest Potential as a Human Being imo!!

Agree, any feeling of joy or sadness is included as a potential of what we are, but the point is to be able to go a little beyond this and open ourselves to what tradition calls Sat Chit Ananda: the full brilliance of what is simply by virtue of being. Sat, that which is and cannot cease to be. Chit, that which stands out, knows itself, is self-aware. Ananda, absolute joy, the bliss that arises from openness to the unlimited. The completeness, the absence of lack, that which is totally perfect and needs nothing because it is everything. Of course, nobody is claiming that this openess, state, whatever you want to call it is permanent, but it's possible and is the end of the searching and the beginning of the exploration

Have You ever had one of those days were Your Not feeling so great, maybe a bit blue or sad, then Your Favorite song comes on the radio or speaker system and You all of a sudden feel better? This is hidden Potential within You! The "Feeling Better" was always available to You, You just needed the music to make it come out.. As soon as I realized this in my life I realized everything I want is already present within myself as a Potential, nd that I can manifest it myself with no outside Stimuli needed! When I started a Weight Lifting program the amount of weight I lifted for each lift increase allot after a couple of weeks training, after a couple of mths I could feel and see my muscles were Growing, this is a hidden Potential within, it just needs the Stimuli of lifting weights to bring it out compared to sitting around and doing no activity! So there are a Billion other examples out there, Stallone wrote the script to Rocky in 3 days, the basic draft, the Potential for the Rocky script was always in Sly, he just needed some outside stimulus to make it come out on the paper, and later some refinement! So God is not Love, or Hate, or Bliss, or Sadness, or Success or Failure, those things are mostly completely within Our Control, God just sets up the playing field, the Field of Potential, You are here to go thru this Field of Potential and make it out to be whatever You want it too Be!

We all want the samething, but we go about it in different ways. We all want a Sense of Bliss, which I would say is a combination of Intense Happiness, a Sense of Completeness, Fulfilment, Inner Creativity being Expressed! Lots of Us look outside for a stimulus to feel this Bliss. The simplest way is Orgasm, here You get a short intense Experience of Bliss. Other ways are getting into relationships, at certain points You feel this Bliss, some call it Love, its chemical in its basis to allow procreation to happen, we have to bond with our partner to allow proper child raising to happen so the species lives on another day.. Another way is to do activities, gamble, watch movies, play sports, start a business, do crime, work in a creative field of interest but fundamentally we are looking for a sense of Bliss, feeling Bliss is life enhancing, feeling Depression/Anxiety/Fear is does the opposite it dis empowers life, we are here to enhance life ultimately. So I want Bliss as a natural Experience without outside Stimuli needed!

I just wrote about it deeply to my audience (I got feedback telling me I should write a book about it) It goes something like this: --- Groupthink makes you believe your peak years are your 20s. Why? Sex, alcohol, party, healthy, little responsibilities... Your body responds, your mind is fresh, everything is new and you can 'maximize dopamine'. But what happens when the law of diminishing returns starts to work against you? (and it will). What happens when new things are no longer exciting? Thats the 30 year old dip. And a huge gap is created between guys that make a shift and the ones who just give up. Most people buy the lie 'your 20s are your prime', because they are trapped in pleasure seeking. And that doesnt work after 30. People need a shift. A shift towards spirituality, life purpose and self-education. A shift towards eudaimonia, mindfulness, bliss, peace, awakening. A shit towards enjoying simple things in life. Things that are not glamorous per se. Leo has a video titled: ''why valuable things take time''. Well, thats true. You can go have sex, or get drunk tonight, but thats not the good life. The good life is more sophisticated than that. The good life are the things I mentioned above. And that requires work, patience, discipline, integrity and maturity. Damn, even as I go through a challenging period in my life now, I feel that the negative emotions Im feeling are more 'pure and deeper' that the ones I felt when I was younger. - This is top tier stage orange advice: And most people need to play the orange-green game for a couple decades (It seems Kant was a party guy until 40...) But what 1stMan does not see is the spiritual side; so for us, age can be an even bigger upside. +40 is when you can get really deep results in spirituality, life purpose and self-awareness. For me the keys, now getting into my 40s are: -Health: Strength training, healthy nutrition and stretching/mobility training -Life purpose -Spirituality -Constant self-education -Optimism/Vitalism And of course, arguably the most important thing of all: Life really does begin at 40. Up until then, you are just doing research," -Carl Jung

Death Indifference and Crisis induced Euphoria. Other people's death doesn't trigger me, no matter how close. Likely coming from my indifference to my own death. And on top of that, these induce the most sophisticated states in me. Especially when there's a personal crises. Flow states, DMT inside brain. Another thing is self inducing bliss, no need for any practice or such, although it's not sustainable if your body isn't fit and healthy. It's not magic, it's a skill. It's like gaining access to the bliss room inside your brain, there's a limited amount of chemicals there, use it wisely. Better not to use it at all, but instead use it to do hard things with ease. Anyways, fuck bliss I'm bored of it, I'm interested in the other emotions. Fair warning; this is not a real skill, we need all emotions, biasing towards bliss is a sureshot way to self dsetruction. --- These aren't super powers. Please don't use ugly words like that. It's normal to develop skills.

He's just gatekeeping. This stuff works through intent of the one initiating you, to a great extent. He doesn't want anyone becoming independent practicioners. His volunteers have the same attitude. Perhaps it's trauma, he claims his past life his guru treated him like an untouchable and only interacted with a stick, instead of using hands. And his own claim that he's just a slave to Shiva. These themes just keep recurring. You get bliss by sucking Shambhavi tits. That's the level of sophistication this kriya has. It's literally borrowed bliss. And it comes with a heavy cost; your freedom.

And yeah, the bliss thing is a gimmick. It wears off the moment you start thinking independently and break out of the conformity. You can rack up records of how blissful these people are when you're under the effect of delusions and show it off. None of that is sustainable. The people I've found in that community are some of the most miserable people ever. Sure, they have this clown face when they're in their guru sucking mode. I've seen them and lived with them enough to understand how this is evil. The positioning and manipulation, it's beyond shady. I will tell you this, some of the most blissful moments in my life is because of that thing. But I've paid the price for it dearly. I'm so glad I got out of it in a matter of months.. May be I've sat with it for a year at max, but that's it.

@ryoko He states openly he knows exactly how to manipulate people and create karma for them. and he does it on regular. He knows how human body works and uses it to manipulate. I remeber him saying to interviewer i can say one word to you and your mine. He knows and has a personal agenda. A guru knows nobody exists and they don't exist but for some reason he has a personal agenda. I don't see any of his followers here writhing in bliss like they claim. The ones in his videos are doing it because of him not themselves. There are 100 reasons why you should trust Leo gura over sadhguru. Leo is trying to help via deconstruction sadhguru never deconstruct its always vague anecdotes. He says he has a reputation to hold but also says he dosent exist. Which is it? There are so many contradictions in what he says he is constantly contradicting himself. It could be on purpose I don't know. He is hanging out with elites all day.

Anyways fuck bliss. Where's your rage, anger, fear, anxiety, geed, lust, sloth, jealousy, sadness. We need all of these. I suggest reading "Laughing in the face of chaos" by Ruda Iande. The guy's very mature, and he doesn't bias you towards bliss or feel good. Some really good pointers on finding your values, very realistic.

I've been in close proximity with a volunteer. And his everyday rituals. There's this pledge, I forget the wording.. "...I will strive my best to fulfil Sadhguru's vision.." more words but it ends like that. My reaction to that was utter contempt. He worships his guru with a photo and some Yantra and other usual stuffs like burning camphor, wearing bhasma. Not against any of that, I get it, rituals are a powerful way to invoke certain stuff. This is a cult. That's when I got into thinking what's the point of Shambhavi. I started connecting the dots. He mentions Shambhavi as "she's a star"..like she's a person, coincidence? I think not. In one of what Sadhguru claims to be his past life where he was a snake guy, his girlfriend's name was Shambhavi, and people killed him with his own snakes for that love affair. That was his first experience into awareness while dying. There's so much crazy stuff than the eye meets. Shambhavi is like a temple that once you're initiated, it's there, the point of your daily practices is to clean the temple, take care of it. It's borrowed bliss. This is quite a common theme in the Hindu culture with local deities. You're submitting something of yours for something in return. And the next is, knowing a community of people who are dedicated to volunteering, and doing the practices. That's where everything broke for me. The way he frames this. He's selling you bliss. I'm not saying it cannot work, but what it will do is destroy your possibility for material growth in big ways, unless you're an asshole who can use this to extract the preferred hormones by submission and use it as a cushion to do horrible things, basic hierarchy we find all over nature and human cultures, work a shitty job which pays well, cope with the money. All spiritual practices have an element to them which destroys your material nature if you're serious about it. I do agree with him that bliss or well being is not something that should be a goal, it should be the default. Had I not known these people intimately I wouldn't have quit this whole thing.

Done it in 2021, I never watched the videos just let them play. I only enrolled to get initiated into shambhavi mahamudra. It's a great practice for getting significant gains in happiness and overall wellbeing. I feel a bit of bliss from it, from time to time. Iv done all their programmes, Shakti chalana kriya is their best practice in my opinion. Which is done as part of the shoonya programme. Isha's practices are the best thing I have came across for improving your day to day experience.

The Inner Engineering Course is Excellent! The 7 classes are awesome as well as the practice learned at this level Shambhavi Mahamudra, its very effective, I felt a wave of Bliss after a couple of weeks practice. You have to practice twice a day for a mundala or 40days after You learn it, then after that its once daily minimum... The videos are great, and the Q&A videos attached to each of the 7 classes are very very good, he goes into more details than he does with the regular Youtube video's, its very worth the effort and price, I did both online and in person with Sadhguru, in person of course is the best option if its available to You!! No risk, no reward, do it and then give it a good go for at least 6mths, You won't regret it!! Some of the topics on the video's/classes: Responsibility, how to get Your Free Will back This Moment is Inevitable, basically a class and dissection of the art of Accepting What Is! Present Moment Awareness Sounds and Mantra The Mind, how it works, its a miracle worker! Food, what foods to eat and avoid while on the spiritual path. Karma, what it is and how to use it and/or dissolve it.. and a few more topics too...

The kriya itself is a mix of normal yoga practices, done in an order. The practice itself has nothing to do with bliss. It's the belief that this practice can change stuff, and the philosophy musings combined by the theoretical lessons, it creates a certain delusional effect. He aims to keep it alive so you keep feeling blissful, or you think you should feel blissful. What he's aiming to do is trigger certain hormones by using a mix of beliefs, yoga and a whole community of sheeps. As for the results, I can confirm they wear off the moment you start thinking on your own.

Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya is potent as long as you hold the dogma. It's effective at first, then it quickly turns into a mundane exercise. Don't buy into their bliss claims. I recommend doing some actual physical activity instead. Shambhavi isn't in any way sufficient. I got initiated back in 2021, and it was a great experience. But the more I went into this rabbit hole, the more I saw it's true face, I quit the whole thing in a matter of months. Had nothing to do with Sadhguru ever again.

💙 How would you characterize your experience? I'd describe my 5-MeO breakthroughs as "bliss," perhaps - powerful experiences indeed. This might not do it justice - besides, it's just a single term - but it's somewhat accurate in my estimation. It's hard for the mind to make sense of such a state, particularly after the chemical wears off. I recognize that I could have interpreted it - any experience, for that matter - in a way that simply confirmed my existing beliefs or desires. It can easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's a nice online social space - for fun, interacting with other minds, learning stuff, sharing or asking for advice, having the occasional thought-provoking discussion, and so on.

It’s hard to find inner peace when someone’s drilling asphalt at 7 AM. City life really tests your sanity. Maybe ignorance really is bliss, those people look like they’re having a great time not noticing anything.

Genes is Karma, is a form of memory, there are other form of memory too that influence Us and make us who we are or appear to be on a daily basis. Karma is also what binds You to the body, there are 5 bodies that make up a Human Being, this is yogic science, Food Body, Mental Body, Energy Body, Etheric/Astral Body, and Bliss Body, most are only Aware of their Food and Mental Body to a low degree... There are also actions (karma being created) in 4 main places for a Human, Body Action, Mind Action, Emotional Action, Energy Action, again most are 99% unconscious of all the Actions taking place in these areas, that is why their lives are spinning out of control and they have no idea why or make up stories like God or Aliens or Ghosts are controlling them.. So if we raise our Consciousness levels, then all of this comes into Your Perception, then Karma has less effect on You, then You have Free Will available to You, here while Embodied and after Your Body dies (the Energy Body, Etheric and Bliss Body goes on, kept together by your Karmic Makeup, Karma is like glue keeping it all together).. So when Body dies, the other bodies go on, karma included and if Your consciousness is high, You can choose where to go next...

You can know all about Death as You know all about Life, it just a matter of Consciousness, both are the same coin just different sides, turn over the coin and You know it! Memory or Karma is everything when it comes to Creation and Existence, Existence is Creation, Non Existence/Creation is Absolute in various forms, each one more Subtle, until Your at the Absolute of Absolutes, since there are varying dimensions or realms of Existence, here on this Earth, living as we do with Duality and Karma, this is the Grossest Aspect, least Subtle, everything felt is REAL, deny that and Your already lost.. Physical Death is just that, the stuff that makes up Your Body and Brain and such, the crudest part of what we are, this has to die, go back to the Earth, but we are not the Body or Mind, so what is more fundamental is still there (Energy, Etheric, Bliss body per say), this goes on to another lifetime, another body is being made, You unconsciously for the most part choose which body based on Your Karma/Tendencies, since You have no discretion in the inbetween realm...If Your Highly Conscious while Embodied, then You have more choice regarding this... Time only exists because Space Exist, and for sure is a Relative Experience, it can go slow or fast, they say the more Blissful You are the Faster it goes... And Yes, in the inbetween realm, there is no time, time exist here, so when Your over there in a blink of an eye your back here embodied, but it could have been 500yrs difference in time from when You left the previous one and into the new one, but in Your Experience it was a blink of an eye..

Beautiful experiences and insights for sure. You will see if it lasts. Or if something is still in the way between Absolute Reality and its love aspect. Godspeed! PS: Brown, Pith Instructions for Akhrid Dzogchen " Furthermore, awakened awareness remains uninterruptedly in, and immovable from, the [vicissitudes of the three special] states [which are the adornments of enlightenment]: non-conceptual stillness, bliss (and love, WbtR), and luminosity." Comment Brown "This passage refers to the fact that at this level of practice awakened awareness is frequently accompanied by special states of bliss, luminosity, and stillness, but that rather than becoming sources of attachment to state experiences or obscuring awakened awareness, these very states become the “ornaments” or friends of awakened awareness. In other words, these states now enhance rather than obscure the recognition of awakened awareness. PS PS: IT is not a state. But your original face. That which has never not been the case. Anything that arises in time is not It. If you live long enough, and practice efficient enough, you will get used to these states with time. PS PS PS: Wilber, One Taste: "And then, the Abyss beyond all beyonds. Some would call it radical Freedom, infinite Release, ultimate Liberation, the great Redemption, boundless Being. I wouldn’t know, for there is no I to know, in any form, sacred or profane, and so there is only this radical Formlessness, which remains its own remark. It is not bliss, it is not God, it is not love. It is not holistic, it is not Goddess, it is not interwoven anything. It is not infinite, it is not eternal, it is not any conception or object or state whatsoever. I-I am not light, am not love, am not spirit, am not bliss. II am not bound, am not free, am not ignorant, am not liberated. But this much can be said: where there is not this Emptiness, there is only suffering." "Around the sea of Emptiness, a faint edge of bliss. From the sea of Emptiness, a flicker of compassion. Subtle illuminations fill the space of awareness, As radiant forms coalesce in consciousness. A world is taking shape, A universe is being born. I-I breathe out the subtlest patterns, Which crystallize into the densest forms, With physical colors, things, objects, processes, That rush upon awareness in the darkness of its night, To arise as glorious sun, radiant reminder of its source, And slumbering earth, abode of the offspring of Spirit."

Why should we care about what You wrote? Why would you say this, then write a long post about what YOU think Awakening is, lol, why listen to You? If You don't care about that, then why share? When Your in touch with Truth, Absolute or whatever, You feel Bliss/Love, this doesn't mean that is what it is, its just that You touched it and that is the feeling when You do that.. Absolute can be anything, another person takes a drug, and feel completely different, why listen to You rather than them? Best not to make claims, just enjoy the experience, Your In Bliss, that is Good and that is All!!!

Conformity is bliss. A comfort built on illusions, not liberation.

No it isnt. So in a hypothetical where there is no chance of any suffering at all and there is guaranteed pure bliss , you are telling me that these people would still be against having children? @zurew Didn’t you already discuss how anti-natalism isn’t about consent with somethingfunny? If you reject the anti-natalist view of “non-consent to being born” because “you can’t ask a non-being”, yet insist you can violate the consent of a non-being that doesn’t yet exist in the future - that’s self-refuting. On your rape example - an unconscious person still exists as a subject with bodily autonomy - they have a continuing identity and rights that persist through unconsciousness. Even a corpse has rights despite no capacity for consent because ethics is relational - it arises from continuity between beings who exist or have existed. The dead still exist in relation - through memory and continuity. The non-existent exist in abstraction -without relation or continuity. Assaulting someone in a coma is still rape - because consent is temporarily inaccessible, not ontologically impossible. Latent rights belong to existing subjects whose capacity to exercise them is currently dormant - their rights persist because their being and subject hood persists. Potential rights, on the other hand, refer to non-existent or not-yet-subject entities - possible persons. You can’t wrong a non-subject or one who hasn’t existed as one - only prepare conditions that may later affect one ie be irresponsible but not “violate” consent when no subject exists to grant it or not. A living subject has intrinsic rights (active). A dead person has derivative rights (symbolic/relational). A non-existent has no rights, because they’ve never entered relation or continuity. On your latest example - you’re mixing up intent and violation. Just because one act leads to another doesn’t mean they’re the same act or carry the same kind of guilt. Paying someone to commit rape is wrong for the intent - the rape itself is wrong for violating consent when it happens. Determinism doesn’t erase that difference - it explains how one led to the other. Mixing up cause and morality is like blaming gravity for murder because it pulled the bullet down. Honest question - how do you live day to day by your logic? Every meal, car ride or consumer choice would be a “violation of future consent” from someone not yet born but guaranteed to exist. You’d need prophetic knowledge of every potential consequence before acting. Also - you think our brains grew this large because we ate grass and nuts and not all the other nutrients derived from non-vegan sources?

I dont have it formalized in any way, again all I can tell you is that If I reflect on it - I intuitively know that Im okay with violating consent in a bunch of scenarios , because I care about certain things more than just consent. Yes , but you still go for it, right? If you would be against it in a principled way, then you wouldn't risk it, but you are okay with making the risk of violating consent in a bunch of scenarios. You can go with this, but this goes back to what I said from the beginning. You are not against violating consent in a principled way and if we go back to the question I asked, then the answer is obviously "its okay to have children in a world where there is 100% guaranteed bliss and 0% chance for any suffering." And from then on, the talk isnt about "its wrong because you violated consent" but "its wrong because of the negative stuff you put the kid through".