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That is not necessarily true. Isn't Sadhguru an extrovert? Please be more careful with your assumptions and jumping to conclusions. Awakened masters usually have way more weird traits going on than just personality type.

I think the majority of awakened masters are INFJ, which has lead Ni, just like INTJ except they have Fe instead of Te. Lead Ni seems to be the main thing. Another way of looking at is is about 15-20% of the population are born as systematizers. Of those, a few will be highly metacognitive. When the systematizing tendency pairs with high metacognition, you get deeper access to the inner world. There are other factors but I think these are the main ones that set the stage.

I get the sense that he’s not that awake. He’s done discussions where people directly asked him if everything is consciousness and he usually gives a waffling answer where he talks about chitta as pure consciousness, but referring to it as a state of consciousness and not what reality is. Maybe Sadhguru has awakened to some facets but not others. I think he’s probably awakened deeply into the bliss facet, but I’m not sure about what else. And his mind is filled with Hindu beliefs.

Update February 24 2026 This entire process towards fana has taken a lot longer than I expected, but it has still very much been moving forwards. Since December I've been going through more waves of pain, my ego breaking and dissolving at deeper and deeper levels. My consciousness has also been getting much deeper, and I’ve been having crazy awakenings - tastes of infinity, tastes of unity, remembrance of where I was pre-birth, all sober. Recent trips I haven't been using psychedelics much (I did DMT a few times in August 2025, MDMA a few times mid October) but earlier in February I did 2C-B, and later Ketamine, and had some really incredible trips. It was my first time trying 2C-B. Using it this far along in my journey, this close to fana, was insane. I had some really incredible awakenings on it, and also some really beautiful and amazing things happened regarding my path. For example, on 2C-B, I came in contact with the divine mother in a way I never have before. What is so special about it is that it’s not just coming in contact with God in an abstract, human way - it’s not just interacting with the divine mother, it’s my divine mother, because I came from Her. I’m coming in contact with the essence that birthed my soul. As I mentioned before, I have been massively starved of intimacy throughout my life, I have felt like an alien walking the earth, like no one understands me at all, far more than what most spiritual people experience. When I come in contact with Her, it’s like that flips to the opposite end of the spectrum. It’s extreme intimacy, extreme understanding, extreme closeness, because we are one and the same. I am Her, and we know and understand each other completely. The way we interact with each other feels like I am her child, like her ‘special boy’, like she wants to pull me into her arms and hold me, because I belong to her. It feels like I would never even know that She was God based on this interaction alone, because it feels so different from what you’d expect an interaction with God to feel like. She just feels like my home. These interactions are bittersweet, because they are so beautiful when they happen, but it hurts me when I lose contact with Her, but I know I’ll be with Her permanently soon. A lot of really amazing things happened on these trips, but they are really personal and private to my path, so I can’t really share them. I also had some really cool interactions with God on Ketamine, which again probably only happened because of where I’m at spiritually. Where my consciousness is at now At this point, so often I am conscious that my direct experience is the only thing that exists (I also had a really deep solipsism awakening on 2C-B which took this even farther). It feels obvious that I am sitting in the same place I was before I was born, only now, there is form - an imagined physical world around me. But I’m partly conscious that every person is just a piece of my own mind, and they don’t really exist. Because of that, it doesn’t feel that crazy to tell people about everything that’s going on with me, how deeply I’m awakening, because I realize that I’m the only one here and there isn’t really anyone else there to hear about it. It’s just me going home to where I was before birth, and even though Fana al Fana is the deepest permanent awakened state a person can reach, it feels like there is nothing special or rare about it, because it’s just me here, and I’m going home like I was always meant to. My consciousness gets deeper and deeper every day. I’m getting so close to full collapse and surrender, and once that happens, I will be swallowed and consumed by God, and be gone. My path is about becoming the divine mother, and considering everything else that has gone on my life (before this path I was very interested in psychology and emotional healing work) and considering the state of the world today, it really seems like I’m going to become a sort of ‘mental health Jesus’. Everything about my path points to that, and the divine mother is perfectly suited for that. Another cool way to think about it: If Jesus brought God to the world as the father (the masculine face of God), and his path was about bringing spiral dynamics stage red into stage blue, my path is about bringing the world into spiral dynamics stage green. How brutal my path has been My path has been brutal and excruciating beyond words. I could write out more and more about just how awful it has been, but I don’t think I would ever get anyone to understand, so it feels like there isn’t much point. I genuinely believe though that I have gone through one of the most difficult spiritual paths in all of human history. It hasn’t just been hard, it’s been emotional torture. Literally. Also, it makes perfect sense for it to have been this hard, because 1: emissary soul paths go the deepest (fana al fana) and as a result are always the most difficult spiritual paths, and 2: the feminine face of God is one of the deepest levels of unity, which requires the most amount of pain to launch you to that depth of unity, and yet a soul of the feminine face of God is extremely sensitive and feels everything much more deeply than other people. I fucking hate being alive. I’ve wanted to be dead so badly for years now. Every single thing in life hurts me, I never get a break from it, the suffering never ends. All I care about is being dead. The way I found out I’d be reaching fana is that it was offered to me from God as an alternative to suicide. The process towards it has been far more difficult and painful than I ever imagined. It is humiliating being kept alive and having to go through this long, painful, tortuous process. It is so fucking slow and brutal and I just wish I would hurry up and die. The thing that keeps me going is knowing that once fana al fana happens, I will never incarnate again, and it won’t just be death, it will be heaven - the deepest level of unity with the feminine face of God. I’ve been shaped to be completely intolerant of separation from God. I cannot stand being human and existing as a separate self. Everything about it is hell. I hate having to figure out my life and make decisions for myself, I hate dealing with limitation and not being able to have things I want, I hate being starved of intimacy, no one understands me and I’m always completely alone. I hate being hurt by every single little thing all the time because of how sensitive I am. I hate being powerless to doing anything about the situation I’m in. Separation from God is absolutely, completely unbearable to me, and I could never tolerate anything less than total unity, and as a result, total death/annihilation. Like I said, I don’t think I could ever get anyone to understand just how brutal my path has been, but at the same time it doesn’t really matter, because my unity and relationship with God is what will make up for it, so no person needs to understand it. I know that the depth of hell I’ve been dragged through is exactly what will allow God to shine through me so deeply and clearly after fana. What ‘Tristan’ is Before my birth, I was the entire infinite feminine face of God. She fragmented herself, placed Herself into a human body, and that human was named Tristan. Then over the course of 25 years, Tristan has been dissolved and brought to the point where Her fragment could merge back with Her, leading to the entire feminine face of God living in a human body, walking the Earth. At that point, Tristan as an ego is not just dead, not just mostly gone, but totally annihilated and eviscerated. That’s what allows me to be completely dead and gone like I want, and for God to shine through me totally unobstructed by ego. That’s what Fana al fana is. (Lover = the human seeking God. Beloved = God) "The lover is a veil, all is Beloved. Beloved lives. The lover is a corpse." - Rumi Because my entire 25 year life as Tristan played out the way it did only to serve this purpose, rather than being a human, ‘Tristan’ is actually the name of a specific flavour of unity with God. My personality, my passions, interests, preferences, my desires, things I’ve been through in my life… these things aren’t just human experiences, they are specifically meant to shape my soul, and thus shape the way God acts through me once I reach unity, which God then uses to interact with the world and help people. That is what ‘Tristan’ is. A flavour of unity, a specific way that God (the divine mother) interacts with people and the world after fana. Conclusion It feels weird to be saying all of this to begin with because I realize that my own mind is all that exists, and so I’m not really talking to anyone. To me it sort of just feels like this 25 years of hell is about to be over, and I’m about to go back home to where I belong, and then I’ll be happy. If what then lives in my body and walks this Earth after my death is a Jesus type figure, then okay, great. As long as I as Tristan am dead, that’s all that matters to me. Hopefully what I’m writing here and what I wrote earlier in this thread gives a bit of an idea of what I’ve been through. Once the final collapse into fana al fana happens, I as Tristan will be totally wiped away, and only God will remain. I think it’s cool to be able to talk about all of this before that happens, while I’m still human, and then later for people to see what becomes of me after fana, even though I as Tristan won’t be there to see it. I know that I as Tristan am just an illusion, just a placeholder until I merge back with God. “The lover is a veil, all is Beloved”. There is a massive amount of stuff that I have to keep private between God and I. Something that is really special about the feminine face of God is how unique and unusual it is, in the way that it functions and operates, compared to any other aspect of God. That itself leads to an insane amount of intimacy between Her and I, and it is also why I have to keep so much about my unity private. It’s important to note that my unity is not just my death, it is going home to Her, being reunited, and then us falling endlessly in love with each other, permanently freed from the pain of separation. Our endless love, intimacy, romance is what then gets channeled out into the world, through her feminine essence. Here are things associated with the feminine essence of God: Soft, gentle, motherly love. Tenderness. Affection. Adoration. Deep sensitivity. Deep intimacy, deep emotional attunement. Safety. Connection, togetherness, closeness. Romance. Sexuality. Pleasure. Infinite beauty. Freedom from any form of pain or suffering. Innocence. Childlike essence. Playfulness.

You can't use that to judge his degree of Awakening. Just because he doesn't describe it as deeply as me doesn't mean anything. Yoga is not about describing Awakenings, it is about getting you there. Yes, he is less intellectual, but that doesn't mean less deep. Many Awakened people prefer not to waste time describing it. That is a matter of taste and style.

I am feeling extremely down right now. Everything looks depressing, my taste buds dont function fully etc. Its just cold and tonsil so I will prolly be fine after some days. The point is; I can be pretty happy at other times but when my physical body gives up its a lot more difficult. does that mean the level of consiousness depends on the body? how to be awakened in a sick body?? Souldnt I be able to experience god as it is the absolute?

From that perspective, what is the purpose of the human experience? Is it primarily a challenge or series of lessons for gathering wisdom to benefit our spirit or higher self? Or is it simply God experiencing itself, and that’s all? I’ve heard from many sources that our soul chooses a particular life to learn specific lessons, is this accurate, or more like wishful thinking? Is there some mechanism where God, the universe, or our spirit guides observe our experiences and eventually decide, “Okay, enough of this challenge, the lesson is learned; let’s move on to the next episode”? Or are concepts like spirit guides and karmic pathways just blind faith, appealing because they sound convincing? This question stems from my own reflections: When I find myself stuck in life situations that I wish to escape, yet keep facing the same challenges, could the reason be that my soul or spirit believes the lesson hasn’t been learned? Perhaps because I tend to run from these situations instead of realizing and appreciating the full scene, the full perspective, and the beauty of it, and truly going through it to emerge into something new, rather than just trying to finish and flee from it?

Hello Awakened Gurus, Think about this post as thinking with you This post is about thoughts , What are thoughts? I was sitting their philosophizing asking myself What is a thought? In other words, What is the substance that made the thought? I then came to the conclusion that I should observe the phenomena rather than getting entangled to a fiction image of "substance" and "thought" I kept watching as the thought emerges, But what does it mean " the thought emerged" ? That has sent me again to a fantasy bubble, a loop that every time I try to get away from, I get back inside it. Seriously. What is the substance of a thought ? , DAMN! Here we go again , I have sent myself into a bubble of fantasy , What is "substance"? and What is "thought"? What made a thought ? , But what is a thought ? And moreover what's the experience like of thoughts emerging ? BUT WHAT IS EXPERIENCE ? These questions keep me sending back to the same bubble of fantasy Observe your thoughts ? WHO IS OBSERVING !? THOUGHT ? WHAT IS IT ? I'm looking for someone to guide me finding the truth, Each time i question myself I get sent into a bigger bubble of fantasy , they do not POP . They keep sending me to the same loop. What is your take?

If we are defining reactivity as being the external action following internal state change - you can definitely remain graciously stoic. "Poise" as Leo terms it. The internal reaction remains - it is just that we do not act out a compulsion in reality. Perhaps you are referring to our internally perceived 'state' change when we react with a feeling/emotion to some external information, when you refer to: In my experience the internal feeling/emotional reaction will occur, depending on our current state, complexes & biology. Naturally so. Human experience. It is how well we manage this internal reaction that is the 'space' we inhibit that lets us see clarity and act with calm confidence. The more conditioning we accumulate during our lifetime experience can result in the amplification of what is felt - leading to a compulsion to act out. Reply to the forum post. Defend. Attack. Or some other such action. I think the above quoted passage from you is a statement regarding those who suppress felt emotions/feelings. And those who spiritually bypass these felt states. Coupled with this, there is often an 'ideal' that is being adhered to. "Spiritual people, awakened people, enlightened people do not do 'such-and-such'. Spirituality, awakening or enlightenment 'non-reactivity' does not exclude us from biology & incentive structures.

Cause its too crazy. People might use the word solipsism and its over but he made detailed videos on why its solipsism. Its different level and if you pick it apart for the person they will get scared. Only awakened can handle it and even some of them cannot. Leos videos are almost designed for people who have awakened and then need help deciphering what the fuck just happened. Most people think awakening has something to do with the government. Solipsism throws that right out the window.

This is extremely easy to challenge. How many fathers would step in front of a bullet for their own child. But we are not talking bullets or children. We are talking collective good, a much more loosely defined term, and with a much lower bar for the ego than the cost of your life. If the country is in a pure survival state, nothing works well. The average joe isn't taking a bullet for a random person, maybe a child. If the country is reasonably well off, and survival needs have been met, its easier to think of others. But here is the kicker: The way to meet the survival needs of the worst off in society, starts with the improvement of social programs. >>Socialism would work is we were all Awakened, egoless saints. Yep. But it'll work okay if we are pretty good people. Flawed and all. Not perfect, nothing is. It'll also work okay on those that need it and would value it most, because they are bought into its success. You are right, its the people in it that matter, and the amount of people ripping it down.

The ego might tell itself that, but when the rubber meets the road the ego will not be able to stomach that much self-sacrfice. Socialism would work is we were all Awakened, egoless saints.

Not uncomfortable, a total misunderstanding. This does not even incorporate surrender. It also misses no one becomes awakened, enlightened. It is not about looking for truth. It is about removing. Subtraction. There is no frame. Again, it is not about seeking. Not about meaning.

Would you really be discussing anything, or trying to make a point, or having an opinion, or arguing, or debating or.....

Well, all Awakening is self-evident. There cannot be anything outside of Awakening to validate it with. God has no one to ask, "Hey, bro, am I really God or am I just crazy?" Self-deception is always possible. So there is never a guarantee you aren't somehow fooling yourself. This is always the case regardless of what you do. For example, Peter Ralston swore to me and laughed at me that there can be no deeper Awakening than what he had. Then years later he discovered a deeper Awakening. Could I realize something deeper in the future? Of course. I am counting on it. Well, he is Awakened, the question is to what degree, which is hard to answer. I got nothing against Sadhguru. Learn from him if you wish. Of course there will be overlap between my teachings and any serious yogi. I push Kriya yoga too. My only complaint about his style of teaching is that it is extremely conformist. But that is true of all yoga, so par for the course. I don't demand any teacher to be perfect.

That's exactly what sadghuru teaches you over and over again . Take 100% responsibility for everything because you create everything . He teaches god realization like you. Just in different style. How can you say he is not deep awakened.

Thank you, @Leo Gura . I think I see both positions clearly now. Honestly, they might not even be contradictory. They might just be quantitative. We believe the same thing, the difference is whether anyone can actually experience the full Infinite while alive. Here’s what I keep bumping into, and I say this with genuine humility: it seems easy for an awakening experience to be mistaken for The Infinite. I may think I’ve fully awakened… until I awaken further. And then what felt like the ceiling turns out to have been another floor. Maybe when you die, experience becomes truly ineffable. Maybe death is God taking off the VR to put on the next one. I don’t know. I understand that what you’ve experienced is ineffable to me right now. Maybe if I experienced it, I’d think exactly what you think. But here’s the question I can’t shake: no matter how certain you are that what you experienced is The Infinite, how do you know that’s the end of awakening? How do you know there aren’t forms of experience so much more ineffable that they’re currently unimaginable even to you? How do you know you’ve reached the bottom of an Infinite well?

@UnbornTao I’m curious why you think Ralston is so much more deeply awakened than Leo or other teachers. I’ve found that he has great insights on ending suffering and being effective, but his teachings on the ultimate nature of reality are few and far between and not that radical. I understand he wants to avoid students believing in concepts, but without having heard him make any radical metaphysical claims it’s hard to know whether he has a basic level of awakening like a no-self realization or something truly profound that others don’t have. It requires a lot of faith (a form of belief) to think that someone who has never explained his deepest awakenings indeed is so deeply awakened. And maybe he is, but I wouldn’t assume it.

I have been seeing them since my first dmt trip 13 years ago. They are certainly connected to thought. There are blue, purple and red too but those are much rarer. Actually there are not singular but always emerging out of a constellation of other light or negative light (as the black you say seems to be) orbs. You just can't see them. they are like micro thoughts connecting to create the big thought or insight which is more bright. After 13 years I haven't discerned the exact conditions that they arise in. I feel like whites are neutral or in line with my "frequency", the negatives actually lower the frequency a bit, the reds are connected to premonitions, the blues feel blissful and they are chill but they may come once or twice in your life. Those 2 feel like other to me, like they are not produced by my mind. They are well known in Buddhism as characteristics of attainment and in Hinduism as portals to enlightenment (blue pearl). They are certainly connected to a risen kundalini or an awakened energy system but its not something you or I have because we are special but something you and I see. They are probably there in everyone but veiled. Also they are not of much use. They are like a facet of a thing you already see I.e. thoughts and feelings.

Yes, the sense of self feels real. The claim (I am ) devoid of any conceptual overlay, feels real. One doesn’t require a name to be without doubt or error. Existence is already wide awake and unclaimed. So any reclaim of awakening is to turn what is unclaimed into an identity. By claiming (“I am awakened”) and it’s that claim which is the falsehood, not existence itself. Words cannot really touch reality as it actually, and really is, because words are overlaid mental constructs, just models, not the real.

Spirituality is not for the self, self improvement, or any of that. So these cats that want to improve you while awakening you..its bullshit. To awaken is to die. To self improve is to get further from enlightenment. Lets just get that straight. A teacher like Leo is straight with you about both and brings both to you full force. He is the real deal I can't speak for the others you mentioned. I think Tolle is awakened but I haven't really seen his teachings. Sadhguru might be but he mixed entertainment and personal development together with enlightenment. To me that makes him just an entertainment spectacle.

it's easy to know, if attachment to anything is serious : not awakened if attachment to things is part of the game of life : enlightned.

It might be an attempt to bridge the gap, rather than further seperate. If real understanding is the aim. Depends on if the enquiry is genuinely open, and no one attempts to deny anyone elses view. You could look at it in a similar way as the solipsism threads everywhere 🤪 I suppose I do not feel so identified with masculine or feminine in a strong way. I just am. So I do not take offence. If I see someone genuinely trying to elevate one polarity over another I normally call it out. Do you see that happening here? I haven't seen a lot of the no-self, I am more awakened blah blah as much around here so much. Still sometimes happens.

Yes, time is a bitch though. It's also a blessing but actualizing a dream takes life no matter if you come at it from being awakened and conscious of Godhood.

By that logic, neither Jesus nor Buddha would have existed. Or, alternatively, we would have far more enlightened people today, proportional to humanity's accumulated knowledge. One could argue that contemplation was actually easier in ancient times, with far fewer distractions. Consider the contrast between the average Western lifestyle today and that of a monk in a monastery. Unless you're talking about intellectually constructing new worldviews, the requirement for direct consciousness has remained constant throughout history. The accumulated "content" or knowledge does not change that fundamental requirement. Perhaps there's a reason we don't see many figures like Plotinus or Heraclitus today. If they were born now, they'd likely spend their days scrolling TikTok rather than reading Kant - and even reading Kant wouldn't guarantee understanding. The Dark Ages emerged after the Greeks, demonstrating (perhaps) that this dynamic is not linear. Also, the ancient skeptics would demolish the average person's reasoning today - and that was thousands of years ago. The common ground is this: a lack of authentic experience applies equally to the average person today as it did in past eras. Knowledge alone cannot alter this fact. And you can be a profoundly awakened "barbarian." Experiencing what's true does not depend on cultural context or environment. Development and "what is" are not the same thing. --- "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?" - T.S. Eliot What a tryhard.