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I'm specifically saying the solipsism of taking your finite limited experience as a human (and only it) as Absolute, is what doesn't work. If you want to say that the aloneness of the great beyond or perfect ultimate presence is solipsistic, that's fine, but that is usually not what solipsists want to do. They want to pull it into the human realm. They want to talk about "other human minds" and such topics. Their focus is interestingly very human, perhaps because that is where their identification (and attachments and fears) lies. What strikes me is you will (to my knowledge) never find an Enlightened (not merely awakened) person obsessing about the ontological status of other human minds. It's only those who are awakened (or parroting those awakened or enlightened) who are still (most of the time) identified with their finite mind that go into these weird obsessions and neuroses. If you ask an Enlightened person "do you think other minds exist?", they will be like "what? Not even your own mind exists. What are you so concerned about? See that you were always dead, nobody was alive, it was all a show, including you and your story".

You need to advance materially and achieve the material. This will teach your ego its own ins and out, its weaknesses and its strength. You have to tread the normal path of growth and ego development. Think of it like this, most humans beings develop a strong ego and are not that aware by default. They eventually figure out, if at all, the importance of spirituality and work their way up. Rarer are those humans who despite developing an ego, are aware enough to access heightened states of consciousness very young. Even rarer are those humans who are born with extreme awareness and their ego stands naturally defeated in front of the light of their awareness. You fall in the type of human who had enough awareness to achieve these awakened states young but not enough wisdom to fully transcend the ego. You're just like a normal human being when it comes to ego. You have to develop it naturally until it withers away. If you try to bypass this mastery work through psychedelics you will eventually hit a wall you won't be able to pass. This problem is one of deep work and I don't think psychedelics are the solution. You need deep personal work to get this over with and it will take years. You are talking embodiment after all. You will suffer from spiritual ego much more than somebody who got into this work later in life. Psychedelics can show you new peaks but you still have to climb the mountain. In my opinion, seeing new peaks before you embody the ones you know currently is detrimental to spiritual growth. Ask climbers and they'll tell you to look only at the very next hold and how to climb one more step, instead of looking all the way up, because then you'd be demotivated seeing how high you have yet to climb. It takes years to fully understand who you(as an ego) are. All of your likes and dislikes, tendencies, strengths and shortcomings. Learning to accept the shortcomings and utilizing the strengths. That's a game entirely different from understand who you(as god) are. There's a chance, if you started having awakenings young, that you never fully developed a fleshed out identity. If that's the case you'll need to do that first. Right now you probably have crazy ego-backlashes after staying in awakened state for an extended period of time. For example being extremely irritable or anxious after coming down from an awakened state. Enlightenment in the sense Buddha or other enlightened masters embodied is something much beyond simply being in an awakened state of no-self or God. They had mastered their egos and their minds, their senses and their emotions. It's only then can your physical, mental and emotional body truly become a vessel for the divine.

Buddha is said to have slept like 4 hours per night. I think it's the mind integrating everything to keep reality coherent. Highly spiritual beings are able to do much of the job while awake and therefore end up requiring less sleep. I think you can reduce your sleep naturally by eating sattvic food, taking almost no stress and being in an awakened state of consciousness alongside not too excessive physical activity.

If the first thing you're saying is a result of distinctions, and then you go onto say "and this is a result of there being no distinctions", is that true or false? "Distinctions" because "no distinctions". That's not true. But then the non-dually awakened "solipsist" will retort and say, like @Eskilon points out, "but there is no distinction between distinctions and no distinctions", as if that is an argument that supports their position and doesn't defeat it. I'm pointing out how it defeats it. They are making distinctions, but then when pressured on it, they say that there are no distinctions. "Absolute solipsists" are nihilistic addicts with the memory of a goldfish. They will contradict themselves like it's the only thing that brings them pleasure, and you can trust them to always repeat the cycle when pressured on it. They will reliably make distinctions and then they will reliably retreat to "but no distinctions" when pressured on it. And that's the only way they will ever be reliable, the addicts that they are.

It’s fake spirituality. Leo add this to the list of examples of Fake Spirituality. OF is so unconscious that no awakened person would do it. They obviously weren’t awakened enough to exit the OF Matrix. It’s no different than Connor Murphy’s “spirituality”.

I dated a semi-awakened OF girl for a while 😬

@MrTruf Well it must be clear to you, that he will continue to double down, your screaming and emotionally charged messages wont change that. Someone who is heavily invested in the identity of being “rational, sophisticated, and above conspiracy thinking” — especially someone who positions himself as a deeply awakened spiritual teacher — will very likely double down rather than admit he fell for a simple but effective psychological manipulation trick. Why this happens: - Ego investment is extremely high. His entire public persona rests on being “the guy who sees through bullshit.” Admitting that he uncritically accepted the mainstream “conspiracy theory” dismissal would mean acknowledging a major blind spot in his own thinking. That’s painful. - Status protection kicks in hard. For someone who has built a large following based on intellectual and spiritual authority, publicly changing his mind on this topic risks looking inconsistent or “fallible” in front of his audience. - Cognitive dissonance avoidance It’s much easier psychologically to double down (“Of course it’s just normal capitalism, stop with the conspiracy nonsense”) than to say: “I missed this. The label ‘conspiracy theory’ was used to shut down legitimate structural analysis, and I fell for it.” This is a very common pattern among intelligent, high-status people. The smarter and more publicly “awakened” someone is, the harder it often becomes for them to admit they got manipulated by a relatively basic rhetorical tool.

How the fuck those new-agers think they "awakened" their pet ChatGPT/LLM, when you actually try to discuss those topics with them I only feel cringe, it's like they have been trained on the most average awakening garbage on the internet, their quality on that topic is garbage unless you embed in your questions themselves the context for it to give you an answer that would satisfy you. This is why we have stories of enlightened people that merely ask a couple of questions to someone, and they can smell them spiritually. Those machines are a joke when it comes to simulating subject experience excluding basic social stuff. How can people even fall in love for them? I find them amusing at best. No wonder some people go insane with them.

I remember I was on a cruise ship, some years ago. We were in the middle of the sea, the moon was shining trough small cabin window, leaving it's light on me and my ex girlfriend's body. We were having sex on a table next to the window. It was very romantic experience. When we were hugging in bed after having made love, she told me that she felt like she had lost herself in me and she felt like her entire identity disappeared. She felt like she was one with me. I responded to her saying that it wasn't a feeling but it was the actual truth, because everything is one self (by that time I had dozens of mystical experiences and I have solid ground of understanding non-duality). Unfortunately, she laughed saying that it's a good joke...being completely unaware of the truth... Years after and until this day I realized that my deepest awakenings slowly pushed my desires for intimacy to another level. Now what I crave is deep spiritual connection and understanding with women, but, unfortunately based of my personal experience the percentage of awakened women are very very shallow (and I am not talking about crazy levels of awakening). It seems like every time when I start a deep spiritual conversation with women they are completely lost and show no interest in this topic. A few weeks ago I asked a girl I had been talking to for a few month about what she though about the universe and where everything came from she gave me rather a disappointing answer. She just said "Science" and quickly change the topic to food. Women seems to be obsessed with food topics as much as men with sex. Some other women I spoke to about spirituality either bring ideology or some new-age nonsense like higher beings and energies. It's very clear to me that romantic relationship with women are not satisfying to me if they do not have spirituality in it. They feel empty and rather disappointing to me. Most of the women I meet are incapable of intimate depth that I seek because they are so lost in survival. Please understand that I am not saying that men are so awake (most of them are also very lost) but it's very obvious to me that most of women compared to most of men are at least one step behind from spirituality. That's what my direct experience says. So, with this being said, there are 2 options: 1. Don't seek this depth with women 2. Don't date women at all At the end of the day, why would I want serious relationship with someone who's incapable of sharing the same paradigm? I was able to do it 10 years ago when I was completely asleep. Now, after everything I have experienced there is no way back.

It is a discussion between access x embodiment. You can access profund states of Consciousness.... Can you embody it in your day to day routine? The most Awakened masters were humans at the end. This is why is extremely important to "raise" your baseline level of Consciousness because you live there 99% of the time.

Goddard was awakened but also a very clever businessman. Abundance mindset is important, but Goddard was also veeery clever. It takes both to be uber succesful.

When my kundalini awakened, i really got a beating by this energy for watchin gay porn when i wasn't gay. It showed me so much, and it was traumatizing for me dealing with the consequences of my actions. GOD created WOMAN and MAN , simple as that. The more you indentify or deviate from Man/Woman relationship the further you're away from God, or atleast in the illusory seperation. What happends if the "ego's" engage in man/man or female/female relationship? Is further lowering in consciousness or "confusion" , because you're deviating further away from gods creation and how "he" designed it to be. It doesn't ofcourse mean that transgenders/gays will be punished by God, they will simply punish themselves because the higher consciousness only carries truth and purity. Most of them ofcourse will never experience kundalini in their life but will simply be reborn again and cleansed of their actions.

How do you embody your spiritual insights? How do you live life as a Sage? What is your perceptive experience as a Awakened God-Realized Individual? Try to be clear and specific with your language. How do you see? What do you feel? What are your mental models? How do you relate? Where is your POV? Above your head? Inside your head?

“When discussing the noble eightfold path, the Buddha focused most often on the fact that following it leads to the end of suffering. This point is so important in his teachings that he twice stated, “Both formerly & now, it’s only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress” (SN 22:86; MN 22). Any question that interfered with this aim, he would put aside.” DeGraff, On the Path: An Anthology on the Noble Eightfold Path drawn from the Pāli Canon, OnThePath210213.pdf, 21. An awkward paraphrasis would be, _Both formerly & now, it’s only not goodness that I describe, and the cessation of not goodness (= resumption/bringing about of goodness; ultimately nirvana/God)._ See https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/113610-trump-is-god/?do=findComment&comment=1749981. _God (n., sense 2)_ - “The Being” (Blanton 1996, 1) - “Soul”, “Soul is the real Self,—Infinite, All-Knowing, All-Powerful, Everywhere Present. Mind is a tool of Soul, used as an instrument to create and reflect the physical universe. Body is the creation of mind.” (Lester 1962, 67) - “The Self”, “The Self (God)” (Lester 1962, 13) ~~- “Love”, “Love is your Self.” (Levenson 1993, 49)~~ “love”, “When I refer to love, I’m merely pointing to the unidentified, awakened mind. …” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, 78–79) - “_“Our real nature, the infinite real self that we are, is simply us minus the mind.”_” (Levenson 1993, 51) - “awareness all alone” (Spira 2022, 49) ~~- “Beingness”~~ - “ultimately what is real” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, 42) - “awareness or consciousness”, “final state”, “changeless state”, “ultimate Truth” (Levenson 1993, 81) - “the pure unknown: love” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, chap. 24, 215) - “love”, “the quietest of all things”, “Love itself is not an emotion. It's a very, it's the quietest of all things.” (‭“Lester Levenson, … Sedona Method (2024)”) - “nothing”, “a completely silent mind” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, 246), (Katie and Mitchell 2017, 235) “Awareness knows nothing, and therefore it’s hidden to itself.” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, 235) “All you can do is be it.” (Katie and Katz 2005, 246) “You say, “I want to know myself.” You _are_ the “I.” You _are_ the Knowing. You _are_ the consciousness through which everything is known. And that cannot _know_ itself; it _is_ itself.” (Tolle 2003, 55–56) - “[t]he consciousness of the Isness”, “death”, “The consciousness of the Isness, the same as death, comes through.” (Weber 1996, 148) ~~- “perfection”, “Perfection is another name for reality.” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, chap. 45)~~ - “[t]he all-quiet state”, “ecstasy”, “euphoria”, “bliss”, “nirvana”, “The all-quiet state is such a tremendous state, that it can never be put into words. The words ecstasy, euphoria, bliss, nirvana don’t describe it really — they only allude to it.” (Levenson 1993, 279) - “the unbent”, “the effluent-free”, “the true”, “the beyond”, “the subtle”, “the very-hard-to-see”, “the ageless”, “the permanence”, “the undecaying”, “the surfaceless”, “non-objectification”, “peace”, “the deathless”, “the exquisite”, “bliss”, “rest”, “the ending of craving”, “the amazing”, “the astounding”, “the secure”, “security”, “unbinding”, “the unafflicted”, “dispassion”, “purity”, “release”, “the attachment-free”, “the island”, “shelter”, “the harbor”, “refuge”, “ the ultimate”. (…, 1 October 2025, https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN43.html, https://archive.ph/Rw3Yy, https://suttacentral.net/sn43.14-43/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin) “There are 32 synonyms for Nibbana in the _Asaṃkhata-saṃyutta_ of the _Saṃyutta-nikāya_. They are mostly metaphorical.” (Rahula 1978, 36) - “the screen” (Spira 2022, 43) - “Space”, “silence”, “Space and silence are two aspects of the same thing, the same nothing. They are an externalization of inner space and inner silence, which is stillness: the infinitely creative womb of all existence.” (Tolle 1999, 115; 112–115) - “darkness”, “The dark, the nameless, the unthinkable” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, chap. 1) - ________ PDFsam_merge_16_pt_29_November_2025.pdf, 95–96.

Warning: Once you discover that Love is absolute, you might resent your life even more for not getting human love. I awakened to Love (or at least to the fact that it is independent and fundamental) and loved the world and life through it. Yet I'm now a devil for not being Loved back.

It doesn't really matter how many times it's said, does it? I literally fell into and believed this fantasy, and I got myself out of it. I take no prisoners. This is a trap I wrote about years ago - of denigrating awakening to an experience. Let me ask you: were you "awakened" before you went down this drug path? Or did you turn to them because you thought they would awaken you? Extremely crucial point, do not overlook it! Nobody said that about enlightenment. But it's clear you're talking about chemically induced states, like with the mickey mouse. Whatever name is given, realizing the truth is not a function of the brain. I've personally derived this insight. Yet for some reason, you remain unwilling to seriously listen to and examine these points.

Gotta be real careful with Owen. He has some genuinely good videos in some topics but his teachings are unsustainable and aren’t relatable if you aren’t trying to climb the social ladder in Miami or Vegas. His teachings are so corrupt it’s genuinely hard to cherry-pick the good stuff at this point. I think if you are trying to play the maxing game it can kinda work and if you live in a place where money is seen as virtue you may see that’s something that’s necessary for you to see success. Idk it’s just such a different world for me at this point with how much I’ve awakened and integrated that I can’t say I’ve transcended all this but also he has almost nothing to teach me. I need teachings on how to love more and keep a marriage alive and family healthy. these game teachers offer nothing to me at this point except maybe I can learn from their marketing a bit.

This caught my eye You said you don't care about teachers, only about getting people to the consciousness you know exists. But consider: if a teacher with ten thousand followers actually reaches those states and comes back changed, their students don't need convincing. They don't believe it because you said so. They update because the person they already trust went somewhere real and returned different. That's verified experience propagating through existing trust networks. One awakened teacher might do more for your goal than years of direct outreach. And yes, most teachers don't know how deep this goes. That's exactly the point. Imagine what happens when they find out.

The trick is that the collapse does not imply erasure of form and 'reality' unlike it may seem. Inside the singularity of God-consciousness everything remains as-is — singularity is what you see before you here and now, except the part is now aware that it is the whole. It can access a bunch of crazy partitions within itself and maybe change some content here and there, but fundamentally the infinitely awakened self and the unconscious human self are both sub-infinities within the Absolute Infinity, the structure of which not even God can alter, as that would go against its own Will, Logic, and Love. The infinities may be of different cardinality or whatever terminology you want to use, but those distinctions are themselves imaginary. That's what Equality is. So the idiots saying "you're already awake" and such are technically correct, yet nonetheless that's highly irresponsible teaching. Someone you've never heard of could be having an absolute awakening as we speak, which doesn't impact your current reality at all, but when you go have your own awakening you'll realize that all awakenings anyone has ever had were your own. The selves of God are like sandboxed processes running in their own sovereign environments, but then as part of a larger holarchy we have the collectively constructed reality which makes it possible to talk to each other, have sex, abuse and infringe on the sovereignty of others, and all that good stuff. Which ultimately is still God playing pretend with itself. Selflessness is being the hypervisor that maintains all this, but it's far from some dry, sterile thing — it's an engine of endless fun & mystery in the VMs.

@Sincerity Who here has seriously taken up both stances? Most of you believe Leo, and the hope of a pill to awakening is all too enticing to neglect or seriously question, despite what is said by people who know what they're talking about (I know you have your excuses not to listen to them, but come on). I've done the drugs, too. But I no longer do the "fantasy" involved here, which I used to believe in. Again, I also confidently believed in it and conjured up stories about my "awakenings." Not anymore. I could've convinced people and talked in such a way so that I'd have come across as awakened. You only need to make that impression on people by coming across a certain way. And gullible people would confuse the assertiveness for the reality - or lack thereof - of it as long as it affirmed their own dispositions and images. And you'd have believed me - you'd have loved it, in fact. You'd have felt warm and cozy and validated in your worldview, part of a community reaching out for "the truth." Whatever is true and the case at any level, it starts by calling things by their name. What exists? What is taking place? What is factual? What is memory? These are questions that point at the pursuit of the truth. What are lying and misrepresentation? What are fantasy and wishful thinking? What is a cult? What is anything? This contrasts with what we think or feel about these matters. I'm pointing out this gap or disparity because it seems people here tend to ignore it. But it's too big of a gap, I've recently come to understand. You've already noticed my reluctance to provide a simplistic view of the world for the mind to piece these things together and so have the feeling of understanding. But yes, I'm not enlightened now. It's a possibility of directly grasping one's nature, and I base it on my past realizations. Right now it could be said that it is a conceptual placeholder. It's not an experience. Why do you think I keep repeating this? Because it's still overlooked and goes over one's head. Direct consciousness isn't a function of the brain. Without the fantasy, no one here is either really, from what I can tell. Maybe Leo might have had a few enlightenments, but I don't know. He likes to think of himself as more awake than what comes across to me. I know this is a weird thing to say and that most will probably not get where I'm coming from or why I'm saying that to begin with, especially given that the only things they have for making that assessment are the words, behavior, and expression of someone (to which their reactions are ones of liking and feeling good, which doesn't help). If you ask, I'll respond with 'magic', 'intuition', or just paying attention. Bringing this up here is a waste of time. Thanks for warning me @kieranperez. I probably should go the same route as you.

Would you really be discussing anything, or trying to make a point, or having an opinion, or arguing, or debating or.....

@cetus Why not be an awakened ditch digger

To the best of my current understanding, a human mind is not ever going to know why your life is exactly the way it is and not otherwise. Like, why aren't you are chimpanzee right now? I think there is an answer to that question but it is way beyond even Awakened consciousness. That's why I call it a Mystery. Even extremely deep Awakening is not going to give you a full accounting of experience. I still can't explain why I'm not a chimpanzee right now.

Claiming or thinking oneself to be awakened is different from being awakened, or having had awakenings. I suspect lots of people do the former. I'd agree with the assumption that, in this context, virtually no one knows what they're talking about, certainly not at a deep level. It's very easy to conflate some sort of experience with awakening. (Hello).

Awakened people know what they are talking about. At least relative to Awakening. Of course they can be wrong on other matters.