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The most profound has been spoken. I have awakened via other means. And those that have need no books. Meditation does work in awakening so just adjust your existence and we are fine

Well question is he is really stage yellow or is he some bullshit. Certainly he's not awakened so that keeps him limited on the spiral.

It’s me that plays hide and seek with myself. I know all is God, but I’m aware of separation too. So it’s me that hides my knowledge from people who are not me, even though I secretly know others are me. It’s not like I can tell my friends and family that I am God. They’d just laugh and say no you’re not. That’s why I have to pretend I’m a human being just to fit in with the others who haven’t awakened yet to their sovereignty.

Yeah but it just gets your euphoria. It doesn't awkaen you. I'm already awakened it and it does tweak me nicely but its not gonna awaken you.

Just watched this YouTube and found it very insightful. Thought I would share it with you for those that may never have watched or heard of this channel called, "GOD WithIn." Here is the link: I copied the transcript for those that like to read instead of watching videos. You can meditate for 10 years, collect crystals, memorize spiritual quotes, and still never wake up. Because awakening has nothing to do with being spiritual. Most people don't realize this. They think awakening is about adding more, more practices, more rituals, more teachings. But real awakening isn't about addition. It's about subtraction. It's about removing everything that hides what's already true. You see, you don't need to become spiritual to wake up. You only need to see through what you've been pretending to be. But that's the tricky part because the ego is very clever. When it realizes it can't survive through material identity anymore, it puts on a new mask, the spiritual one. Suddenly it's not I'm successful or I'm smart. It becomes I'm awakened, I'm pure, I'm different from others. And that's how the spiritual ego is born. It's subtle but dangerous because it feels good. It feels peaceful, righteous, and even divine. But it's still ego just wearing white robes instead of designer clothes. You start comparing your peace to others chaos. You start feeling proud that you don't need anything while quietly judging those who still do. You say you're detached, but you're secretly attached to the idea of being detached, it's another game, another illusion. And the moment you realize that everything shifts because you see, the real awakening isn't about becoming anything. It's about ending the search completely. It's that quiet moment when the mind finally gets tired of chasing enlightenment and it just stops. It surrenders. And in that silence, something deeper begins to breathe through you. Something that was always there, hidden under all the spiritual noise. That's awakening. Not a lightning bolt, not a cosmic vision, not a new identity. It's the falling away of the old one. Let me tell you something most people won't say. Spirituality has become the ego's favorite hiding place. It's where the ego goes when it's tired of pretending to be worldly. It goes to temples and retreats and sacred spaces, but it takes itself with it. It becomes the one who knows the one who understands energy, the one who has awakened. And that's why so many seekers stay seekers forever because they're still someone, still a me that wants to become something more. But awakening is the death of that me. It's not glamorous. It's not about glowing chakras or manifesting things. It's about facing the raw truth that there never was a separate you to awaken. You see, the truth doesn't care whether you're spiritual or not. It doesn't care if you chant or pray or meditate. The truth simply is. It's right here, right now, waiting for you to stop searching long enough to see it. Let me ask you this. Who is the one trying to awaken? Who is chasing this idea of enlightenment? If you sit quietly with that question, something strange happens. The one who's been chasing suddenly disappears and what's left is peace. That peace doesn't belong to anyone. It's not personal. It's not something you achieve. It's what remains when the idea of me falls away. Most people don't reach that point because they're addicted to becoming. Even in spirituality, they want progress, status, something to hold on to. But awakening doesn't give you something to hold. It takes everything away, including the one who wanted to hold it. That's why it feels like dying before you die. When people say awakening is bliss, they forget to mention the part where your identity dissolves. Where the ground beneath your belief’s collapses, where everything you thought made you, you fade into nothingness. That nothingness is freedom. It's what you've been searching for disguised as emptiness. You see, true awakening doesn't make you special. It makes you simple. You stop trying to fix the world or fix yourself. You stop trying to be good or spiritual. You just are. There's no longer a you trying to live life. There's only life flowing effortlessly. You might still meditate, pray, or light candles, but not because you're trying to reach something. You do it because it flows naturally. Because the doing is the being. You can be fully awake and never call yourself spiritual. In fact, many awakened beings never use that word. They don't need to. They've seen through all labels, even spirituality itself. Because when you're truly awake, everything becomes sacred. The silence, the noise, the pain, the joy, the ordinary moments. Awakening doesn't divide the world into spiritual and unspiritual. It sees everything as one expression. The person meditating on a mountaintop and the person washing dishes in the city both are the same life playing different roles. And when you see that, judgment disappears. Comparison disappears. You stop looking down on those who haven't woken up because you realize there's no such thing as asleep or awake. There's only life experiencing itself in different stages of remembering. This realization humbles you. It softens you. You no longer need to prove you’re awakening. You no longer need to convince anyone of your peace. You no longer post about your vibration or your frequency because you've realized the most awakened thing you can do is be nobody. That's the paradox. The moment you stop trying to be spiritual, you naturally embody the deepest spirituality there is. Presence, authenticity, silence. You might look ordinary to others, but inside you're free. The spiritual ego wants to be seen as awakened. The true self doesn't care. It doesn't need attention. It doesn't need validation. It just quietly observes in stillness, in awareness, in love. You see, awakening isn't about reaching some higher realm. It's about seeing clearly this one without the filters of belief, identity, or judgment. The mind loves labels. It says this is spiritual, this is not. But awareness doesn't label anything. It just sees. When you wake up, you realize spirituality was just a bridge. A useful one maybe. But at some point, you have to step off it. Because truth isn't on the bridge. It's the ground you've been standing on the whole time. You don't need to be spiritual to wake up. You just need to be honest. Honest enough to admit you don't know anything. Honest enough to see how even your spiritual progress was just another story. Honest enough to let all of it go. That's when awakening happens. Not as an achievement, but as a falling away. You stop trying to become light and realize you already are. It's not something you learn. It's something you remember. And that remembrance doesn't come through effort. It comes through stillness, through exhaustion of all you're seeking, through the quiet moment when you finally stop trying to get it. That's when life whispers. You've been it all along and everything makes sense. You no longer care about being spiritual or unspiritual, awake or asleep, enlightened or lost. Those words lose their meaning because the truth was never hiding in your spiritual identity. It was hiding in your ordinary humanity. The laugh, the tears, the moments you thought were meaningless. Those were the doorway. The mind made it complicated. But reality has always been simple. You see, when you wake up, you realize there was never a seeker. There was only the seeking, moving through you like wind through an open window. And when the window realizes it's never been separate from the wind, that's awakening. So don't try to become spiritual. Don't force it. Don't wear the identity of it. Just be present. Because that's where the real awakening lives. In the silence beneath the trying, in the space between thoughts, in the deep acceptance of what is. And that's the funny thing. When you stop searching, when you stop labeling yourself as spiritual or not spiritual, you finally find what you were searching for all along. Peace. Not peace you create, but peace that's already here. So, the next time someone tells you to be more spiritual, smile gently because you'll know something they don't. That the real awakening has nothing to do with being spiritual. It's about being real, being raw, being free. You don't need crystals. You don't need mantras. You don't need fancy words. You just need to be willing to see what's true right here, right now, beyond all ideas of what awakening should look like. Because the truth doesn't fit inside an identity. It's bigger than that. It's who you already are before the story of spiritual ever began. So remember this, you don't wake up by being spiritual. You wake up from being spiritual. And when that happens, you finally stop trying to find the light because you realize that you are the light.

@Masterpiece IMO for a soul living 24 hours in God consciousness it makes no differences, as nothing can affect his consciousness,but if shifts back and forth I'd say solitude is the best situation to stabilize this level of consciousness in a profound levels then after, either in solitude or in social, you are home! But I totally understand you, a shining awakened soul spread his consciousness to 'others'. I do live alone by myself too and it's a blessing.

I’ve always had a passion for Truth. Living alone by myself for 5 years now, did bring me towards several awakenings (using no psychedelics). I’ve also been blessed to have a social job, interacting with people, teaching them English in a non English speaking country. The point is, I see how social life makes me more of a “Sleeping man” rather than an “Awakened one”. Distractions as they say come with social life. But the thing that I noticed is when me being in a social setting interacting with people, I try to force myself to be more Conscious, and SOMETIMES I really see the shift in a Reality, like people around are acting differently, while me being around them more Present. It’s like I make changes within them, as I try to be more Conscious around them (again it only happens occasionally, 1 out of 10 times, maybe even less). Being solo for a True Spiritual people, I assume, is not a problem, but being social is (in general). It’s a True Gift from God to experience both, to be ok with Solo as well as with Social life. But Being solo IN a social life - navigating it is a whole new challenge. Which I’m trying to figure out NOT TO MANIPULATE but to EXPLORE. God Bless all of YOU. The question is: “Do you understand?”

I used it as a way to meditate. When people are hungover they ususally get anxiety and go do something, like clean their house or go out to stop the anxiety but I would lay there looking behind my eyes. I started seeing shit behind my eyes like static moving images I would tell my friend I see shit moving behind my eyes. I would say I think our brain are dreaming all the time even while we are awake. Without alcohol I wouldnt have meditated. But with it I have meditated probably 1000s of hours like 16 hours at a time. I didnt even know I was doing it or what meditating is. Once I awakened I just stopped drinking. My soul or intelligence was doing it. WHATEVER it is you are doing your soul is doing it intelligently for a reason. Dont listen to other people about what is good and what is bad. I drink my self to death and I came back. That was the best thing I ever did cause I saw God. And it was THE key part to me awakening. If I didnt do that I wouldnt have seen God in my awakening. If someone came up to me and said hey dont drink yourself to death it would have been a detriment for my spiritual path to listen to them.

@Inliytened1 Well, I doubt it. I’m sure some here have had awakenings. Awakened is a nebulous term, likely state dependent. People here aren’t like a group or something. They are or should individual philosophers, seekers, students, budding sages and artists.

People don't ask the hard questions. What everyone is mostly looking for is.....what most people want is,,,we're all looking for the same thing.....etcetc not why is the wanting there in the first place, that's the question in my book. Why is everything so self-centered is my enquiry, why no one cares about the eye lids closing to reveal nothing, we sleep and all die. It's always about happiness, end of suffering, other people being dumb, mean, or stupid, who awakened to what, what retreat to go on for a better life experience, what's valuable and what can I get out of life....meanwhile life is just trucking away with no care in the world for your petty concerns and will throw a tornado, hurricane or tsunami on the way to enlighten you of this fact but you'll blow it off and say that's just life and give me a hard time about something silly I may have said.

The awakened.

But doesn't it hit differently to be awakened as God beyond the human state? I felt an immense difference between the human state and the God state. All of the survival instincts came back when I came back to being human. The difference between sleepiness and wakefulness was so vastly different. Since yesterday, when I remind myself of the trip, I notice that I am reactivating the trip. However, suddenly I start to have a mild trips during the day, even without reminding myself and without taking a psychedelic today.

@Breakingthewall Those mystics are the flowers of their respective traditions. The issue is that Westerners (not all jeez -don’t @ me) belittle or demote the religious or cultural soil they grew from. It’s one thing to criticize the dogmatism of religion, another to say that religion itself is rigid and silly beyond repair and must be left to the dustbin of history as a stage blue relic. Stage blue (and others) aren’t about form but orientation. The form of religion doesn’t just belong in stage blue but can have a stage blue orientation - which is dogmatic. There can be stage orange, green and yellow religious practitioners and mystics. I think the error is that Westerners secularise these mystics and saints into the “enlightened individual” who became liberated from the backward religious dogma and culture all around them. They’re trapped in their own historical narrative of rebellion (against the Church etc) and project it. They see eastern saint's radiating love and light - then jump to conclude the only way they could get that way was through rejection of the path and cultural soil that led them there. For example - did Sadhguru reject and shed his own cultural soil, language and metaphysics? Or is it possible that it in fact aided him, as it does others who he teaches it too? The shift in perspective is that Rumi wasn’t a rebel against Islam but was Islam’s flowering. Just like with the others. Maybe the error is we mistake transcendence within the form of religion for rebellion against it - because we can’t imagine total devotion within a religious framework leading to awakening. I think we need to separate awakening from understanding. For example - all kinds of people from different backgrounds and religions have had awakenings or are awakened - yet that doesn’t mean they understand it at the same level as say how Leo Gura does. This is where I appreciate the West’s approach to spirituality. We could say it’s a scientific one and that it using a technical / neutral language is what allows it to be a sort of lingua franca of spirituality for everyone. Eckhart Tolle did this really well by using words that purposely had no historic baggage or conflations ie presence instead of God. But that doesn’t and shouldn’t erase the localised expression of the spiritual through various cultures, traditions and religions. Those are like local dialects and accents that bring richness to life and allow people to engage with the spiritual in their own way, in their own tongue. We could say that’s the art of religion. I’ve seen some videos on meta-modernism that goes into meta-modern religion. There could be a world where both scientific (neutral) and artful (culturally colourful religious) spirituality co-exist as complementary to each other. Let’s say we all got enlightened one day - what would we do anyway? Before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water. People will still live and want to express and share awakening in various forms, traditions and religions. But it will be done at a different level “from above”. Then the next generations slowly become less enlightened and make the same mistakes of the religions of old - introducing dogmatism and fundamentalism - and the cycle begins again where later generations mock the old religions for being “untrue” lol

Yes I understand that. 👍 The weight is lifted when I consider there’s just indifferent impersonal “suffering happening” compared to “I am suffering “ Awakening doesn’t necessarily mean suffering ends though. Even an awakened one can experience suffering. Anyone who is conscious of knowing is able to reflect. So although trauma grounds itself deep within the mind/body mechanism, we can recognise that we can starve it of any more attention. Or, we can trauma bond with our own body. It doesn’t matter, it’s all just happening so there’s no need to repress or avoid, rather just allow and integrate, by surrender and to fully accept that nothing that is happening is ever personal. To recognise fully that I’m not my thoughts or mind, I am behind, Yes, and knowing the difference certainly lightens the burden when knowing you are conscious of all your projections and therefore the only one responsible for them.

Forum is full of immaturity and psychosis masked as awakened and enlightened 😀 No you dont need to insult other's beliefs to be close to enlightenment, what are we talking 😆

Beautiful experiences and insights for sure. You will see if it lasts. Or if something is still in the way between Absolute Reality and its love aspect. Godspeed! PS: Brown, Pith Instructions for Akhrid Dzogchen " Furthermore, awakened awareness remains uninterruptedly in, and immovable from, the [vicissitudes of the three special] states [which are the adornments of enlightenment]: non-conceptual stillness, bliss (and love, WbtR), and luminosity." Comment Brown "This passage refers to the fact that at this level of practice awakened awareness is frequently accompanied by special states of bliss, luminosity, and stillness, but that rather than becoming sources of attachment to state experiences or obscuring awakened awareness, these very states become the “ornaments” or friends of awakened awareness. In other words, these states now enhance rather than obscure the recognition of awakened awareness. PS PS: IT is not a state. But your original face. That which has never not been the case. Anything that arises in time is not It. If you live long enough, and practice efficient enough, you will get used to these states with time. PS PS PS: Wilber, One Taste: "And then, the Abyss beyond all beyonds. Some would call it radical Freedom, infinite Release, ultimate Liberation, the great Redemption, boundless Being. I wouldn’t know, for there is no I to know, in any form, sacred or profane, and so there is only this radical Formlessness, which remains its own remark. It is not bliss, it is not God, it is not love. It is not holistic, it is not Goddess, it is not interwoven anything. It is not infinite, it is not eternal, it is not any conception or object or state whatsoever. I-I am not light, am not love, am not spirit, am not bliss. II am not bound, am not free, am not ignorant, am not liberated. But this much can be said: where there is not this Emptiness, there is only suffering." "Around the sea of Emptiness, a faint edge of bliss. From the sea of Emptiness, a flicker of compassion. Subtle illuminations fill the space of awareness, As radiant forms coalesce in consciousness. A world is taking shape, A universe is being born. I-I breathe out the subtlest patterns, Which crystallize into the densest forms, With physical colors, things, objects, processes, That rush upon awareness in the darkness of its night, To arise as glorious sun, radiant reminder of its source, And slumbering earth, abode of the offspring of Spirit."

I stopped 5 seconds in..he says yes it can change states but you're not going to be become more conscious..ummm ok. But enlightenment is a shift in consciousness which drastically expands consciousness so yes..it can. Why couldn't it? He's hung up on being against drugs because he didn't need them. Hooray. Neither did I. But who is to say they don't expand consciousness? Him? Ok. Guess he's the authority. Look i promote meditation but ultimately is it going to enlighten everyone? Obviously not or he wouldn't have all these followers they would all be awakened. It's not the tool anyway that's just the catalyst.

Fuck me sideways, last couple years have been a slog. But just getting massive hastening on my realisation of love. It's kinda like it completely makes sense all at once. Not a god awakening but I know what a realisation feels like and this isint one. Think it's like low level awakening or some shit. It doesent feel right to call in it a realisation, I can feel it's more central and powerful. Maybe it is just a powerful realisation...I prefer the term low awakening. Connotates it better imo.. Sitting meditating in Buddhist temple, vibing. Not hard anymore, feeling the love, it's like something's really clicked for me I'm starting to understand that if you don't have these foundational cores and pillers, progress is doomed. So I got the love thing, not a shit load like with 5 but I can tell, it's more stable, organic, it feels permanent. Like the logical mind has been completely overrided in some respect. I understand why silence is what you see some teachers encouraging...it's not that they're keeping quiet to show how disciplined they are, they don't want to interrupt the flow of their love! This is real nice low awakening. I've found so much value in Buddhism, just cuz it won't get you god awakened doesn't mean it doesn't have some mega powerful methods and teachings for the lower level. Boddichitta, compassion, I really don't know what I would have done if I didn't have Buddhism. So accepting and beautiful. Does anyone have thoughts on Buddhism? I do Mahayana Buddhism ☮️

Yes, even in the hands and legs and basically the whole body but in subtler way when walking, this wasn't the case before of course, and i didn't do any particular practice to achieve it, most of the work was done by the energy itself while I was laying down, resting, as it is intelligent in nature. It'll progress. If you just put your awareness on it, like what I did. Yes the energy is intelligent and while awakened theres no stopping, but putting your awareness on the energy will accelerate the progression quite rapidly, cause you are devine in your true nature. For me the most profound and valuable achievement as a result of energy going up and hitting the ajna chakra was the ability to control my mind and reaching profound state of peacefulness. But those kinds of siddhis are to be achived if one strive for it, like performing samyama on chakras (deep state of absorption, losing yourself while meditating on a chakra)

Is there a masculine version of this? Or perhaps it is inherent to the feminine polarity as the masculine is typically seen as the 'structure', or that which holds space for the feminine. Nice analogy btw - speaks right to the awakened construction manager within meeeeeeeeee

Exactly. But I'll expand on that. When i awakened it wasn't even about letting go or achievement it was from a place of complete spiritual ignorance and just a curiosity into what is like a child might wonder about a toy or the sky. Nothing more. Ignorance is bliss. But spiritual knowledge could lead to the desire for achievement as you say - and therein you will be doomed to never discover Truth. The same can be said for psychedelics as much as you may want to dispute that. It is really no different than meditation.

I’ve heard it said that a fully awakened human is incapable of violence. Maurice Nicoll, a Scottish physician and a Teacher of Gurdjieffs system related a vivid dream he had. There was a man who was being harassed by some people but he seemed to be not affected at all. He remained passive and calm in the face of their taunts. Nicoll referred to him as a man of no violence who possessed a curious power. He tells the story better than I do. I recommend the Psychological Commentaries on the Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. It’s a very comprehensive yet readable set of 5 volumes containing around 4500 pages. His lightheartedness and sometimes blunt statements makes for enjoyable reading. Bye

You are the ever changeless, the untouched awareness that isn't scathed by anything and yadi di dee yadi dah, is the same as there is no you. Gotta attach to something, right. Gotta be something, right. It's the only other thing i can attach myself to to seem like I am; and since it can't be proven or disproven, it's a safe belief. No one can knock that ghost down; no one can disprove that phantom dream story. No sense in saying let someone knock you upside the head and see if you're still unscathed because that's just another 'if' story that doesn't exist either. "I've had my awakening" is one of the most deluded spiritual stories ever told. No one owns anything. Of course, I own my pocketbook and dress and skirt and one can go to court to re-claim their stolen possessions and so on and so forth, but you know what I'm saying we don't really own anything. Well, no, you don't know what I'm saying, but I won't get hung up on all that. How the hell do you have an awakening for real. None of what I'm saying in this journal I've awakened to; infact, these are just words typing themselves. Funny, because those are just words talking to themselves too, "I've awakened"....no one is behind those words. Well, someone might say then why are you making a post talking shit about it then if no one actually said that. No one is, and there will be an apparent continuation of words talking that will seem like someone is doing that because there's no one to stop doing what no one already isn't doing.

I wish to share a little story with you about this entire journey most of us are on... I will start with my own to make the connection. Every since i was born I intuitively felt something was quite off about this world, growing up in a western way of life, everyone seemed very disconnected from what truly is, disconnected from the natural being or true self or nature of who we truly are, but I could never clearly make sense of it all until my 21st birthday. I had my reawakening back around 2011, this was even before stronger plant-medicines came into my life, and I am very grateful I realized who I truly was before I jumped onto the other trains, for I had my true-ground or source-within or center to revert back to, that I am never shaken by these experiences or the mystica of substances and neo-spirituality, for they only tickle and enchant the mind that does not know, rather "thinks" it knows, especially after an experience or trip, yet the true self (which does not trip or hallucinate, which is awareness itself) remains untouched and phased. And its been quite wild ever since, and one of the biggest lessons for me and for many I am noticing (especially those who glimpse enlightenment prematurely) mostly through substance abuse, is that there is a severe lack of grounding or connection / understanding of the earth, rather purely working from a mentally internalized perspective and projection of consciousness, which speaks the truth conceptually, yet fails to land in the hearts of men, for it has no (true-ground) from which its roots have developed to be reverberated effectively and recognized as true wisdom. I see a lot of energy today is being pushed, especially (online) keeping people away from the Earth or Mother aspect, so they put more energy into the (artificiality) or online world, or the religious "Father" or "God" who is invisible and never to be reached, and thus they are met with half-baked enlightenment or astral / mental bliss, caught in a never-ending cycle, that is toxic to themselves and others around them, (that many of us can see now, especially on these forums) for they are illuminated only through the mind, and not awakened through the heart. They remain un-grounded and never truly accessing heart-centered awareness and being fully with the people and life on earth, to be truly of service and using our entire bodies more so than just our minds, and so they remain quite distant and disconnected from being with body and truly feeling what it is to be truly alive and experience life in its very essence here on this beautiful earth. They spend far more time online and disconnected from the natural world, and thus almost completely disembodying and contradicting what they preach. At the same time it is not anyone's fault, its just that they have never touched upon a taste of the divine in other ways, so when they touch upon it or glimpse through one way, they are convinced that "this is it", when in reality, it is only partly it. Rather it is one side of a three-sided coin, the third being the merge of the opposing two. These last 10 - 15 years I have been exploring the earth and body more, all over the world, before that I was exploring the mind and higher realms, and what i have learned is that neither is the full picture, yet the merge of the two is what Enlightenment truly is, for Awakening is the opening, seeing, recognizing, and Enlightenment is the embodying, rooting, stabilizing, being. I realized that there are also those, especially in the native and indigenous cultures who can also be (too earthly) and not open to a higher light or true due to eons of tradition, culture and rigid beliefs, that what the Buddha taught as (the middle way) was the very Tao or Truth or Way in a nutshell. It always comes back to balance, and when you are in total balance in all aspects of self, supreme beingness can be. I realized something observing children especially, and how they connected and meditated, was interesting because it reminds me of when I was a child too and what happens during intense experiences or states where everything becomes overwhelming, we naturally revert back down to the ground, (think of when we are sick, or drunk or too high), the body naturally knows what to do. And this goes back to ancient times were people were found often lying down on their backs by a tree or in the bushes somewhere, with hands and feet spread apart, almost like a star or a cross, and that is how they connected to God or "the Father", so to speak... They intuitively knew only through (the Mother) the connection will be stable, grounded and secure. If we deny the Mother (the earth), we deny the very medium that allows the Father to be known. In essence, you cannot reach the Father without the Mother. The Divine is immanent in the earth and body; we experience God through life, matter, and presence. And this is the issue with modern spirituality and neo-non-duality and the words and teachings people are sharing online, they are missing the full picture. Remember what is natural is home, god-thought materialized, divine or infinite intelligence, what is artificial is borrowed and secondary, a tool. We built temples to connect-with-god not realizing the very temple of nature itself God had already provided, then we wondered why we felt disconnected and struggle to see, hear, feel God's presence and guidance. And this is the very essence of Buddha and Christs teachings, but many have become distorted over-time by the hand of man. You can be in the most spectacular temple full of psychedelic artwork, gems, stones, incense and chants and nothing will provide a more solid and divine connection as what nature already had since the beginning. You can try it yourself, go into a forest floor and lay there, compare that to some man-made place. In 5 minutes you can tap in deeper than 50 minutes in a room full of artificial walls and electronics / noises / discordant frequencies. Otherwise these things would of been created first, and life on earth would be supreme brilliance, garden of eden, paradise, not what it appears to be today. Now don't get me wrong, I know this can be triggering to those who rely on the artificial matrix and online world, more so then they'd like to admit, I have nothing against using a tool, but remember its a "tool" and remember that the tool needs to be put down every once in a while and look up, there's a whole world out there, more real and beautiful and alive than any tool ever created by man, the tools only tickle the mind, yet the hearts remain empty... These teachers may teach that the world is an illusion, but does that really give you peace? No, you see most of these people miserable, depressed and suicidal, because life is meant to be lived, not observed. If you are not (participating) in the world you are a dead-letter, you may see through the illusion but if you are not alive and "living"... See the illusion, but enjoy the play, because the play is whats truly alive, the essence of it, the experience of it, that's needed for a rich quality life. Its like looking at a rose saying "this rose is an illusion" rather the child smells the rose, feels the sensations, doesn't know that its to be labelled or called a rose, rather its simply being a natural extension of nature or divine intelligence itself, interacting with itself in a most intimate way, and that is what enlightenment truly is, to be intuitively aware of the Oneness, yet fully immersed in the experience of separateness. In a nutshell... Remember you are Nature and Nature is you, so its always both, its not one or the other. I woke up with the energy to share this, I trust it may spark something within you. Blessings ~

Would you really be discussing anything, or trying to make a point, or having an opinion, or arguing, or debating or.....