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Physicality is created by rapidly shifting awareness from my memories to my predictions. Im not sure if I understood that. Personally I dont find this to be the case. To have awareness of a memory, it needs to be known as in known as a thought story, mental image or both. Same with a prediction as a projection, if that is what you mean. The propeller metaphor does not make sense to me, as I dont experience remembering (or certainly cross referencing) as such a fast process. I feel like I dont need to construct physical reality, I just exist in a dream space where it naturally spurs out of nothingness and I feel Im in it. Its not just the mind with enforcing stories, its also the general awareness/unawareness of my body that together form this very convincing belief. From my self-inquiry/contemplation practises: You never get to ask the real "who am I?" question. Ever. The "person" you are REALLY looking for, is the asker of the question, not the "I" concept that something is asking about. "who is asking who am I?" falls into the same ordeal, as the asker of THAT question goes also un inquired. So actual inquiry into the asker is impossible, as language is structured that way. The question floats in and out from the ether of mindstuff, but never really adresses it's origin. But it came from somewhere, so there must be a source. That source is only going to be felt, as existence itself and thats what you are.

@Serotoninluv Just think about it: nonduality means: not two. So any time you think of two parts to the world, you're not fully nondual yet. If there was a distinction between the formless state and your present formed perception state, that would be a duality. So you know that cannot be ultimately true. The final duality to eliminate is the duality between nonduality and duality! The snake must eat its own tail until nothing remains. Mu is the formless void state but ALSO the whole shebang: all of formed creation. Take a moment to look around the room you're sitting in right now. That is none other than Mu. To be fully nondual is to be conscious of Nothingness all the time, everywhere, no matter if you're in a formless state or eating breakfast. That is true awakening.

@Leo Gura I'm new to this area and I'd like to fully bake this realization if possible. . . In that "nothing" there was no appearance of form or perception. There was a first form that arose from the nothingness. Simultaneously, perception arose. There was nothing to perceive before the appearance. Is the *arising* of form and perception the domain of Mu? Or was there an underlying essence of form and perception in the null void? It seemed like a distinction-less, form-less, perception-less null void in which form and perception arose and gradually developed more distinctions to finally become what can be perceived to be a highly formed reality. Does Mu cover this whole continuum?

@SOUL Yep. It's so hard to describe with dualistic terms. I get what you are saying - I just use different words to try to explain the same thing. For me, my nondual experiences have been from the "everything" perspective. All things lose their distinctions and everything is one. Yet there was still awareness present. Recently, I've had an experience from the "nothing" perspective. All things lost their distinctions and disappeared. There was nothing. Not even awareness (there was nothing to be aware of). Then, the first "thing" arose from the nothingness and awareness arose with it. I couldn't conceive of something prior to awareness. It was mindblowing.

Fun stuff, yet his "nothing" still has stuff in it. How can there be an observer in "nothing"? There is no observer and there is nothing to be observed. How can truth exist in "nothing"? There is nothing to be true about. Nothing is no thing. Nothing. No emptiness, no void, no observer, no nothing. There isn't even nothing in nothing!! Humans just can't resist putting something in nothing. Some idea of stillness, emptiness, peace, infinity, beauty etc. There are NO distinctions in nothingness.

Is it even possible, to see the world around me and myself and to feel it as I am felling my thoughts in this sort of nothingness and no self conscious

Trip Report: 5-meo-dmt 28mg. A lesson in nothing. A couple minutes in, resistance thoughts started to arise such as "Why am I doing this again? I've been using drugs to much lately, it's interfering with my life. It's going to consume my life. These altered realities are going to take over and change me. I'm likely to lose my job". The next minute the 5-meo got stronger and I was still trying to hang on. I started losing sense of meaning - of what is good and bad, of what is healthy and unhealthy. Jumping out a window was no different than taking a pee. Then, panic started seeping in and I struggled. Looking back, it was a struggle to stay sane. A thought went by that I was to experience the horror of 5-meo like I had read online. The trip took a different turn, yet I now know the horror of struggling to maintain sanity with 5-meo. I'm not sure if I was able to let go or if the 5-meo overpowered me. Yet the tide turned from the horror zone. It was as if white cream was poured into black coffee. At first, the white cream and black coffee are separate. As one starts to stir, there are some white streaks visible within the coffee and the overall color of the coffee starts to turn tan. With more stirring, the cream are coffee are completely mixed as one. Similarly, I started off with dualistic thoughts and concepts. I am a person, there is a chair, meditation is part of spiritual practice, and on and on. As the mixing started, words and ideas stopped making sense. Every word, thought, image, concepts etc. started to get stirred together with all other thoughts, images, concepts and started disappearing. Soon, English didn't make sense. A chair didn't make sense. A word didn't make sense. Seeing a tree didn't make sense. Hearing a lawnmower didn't make sense. They are started swirling together. Distinctions started disappearing. It felt like I was going insane and I tried to hold on to sanity. Yet, distinctions rapidly began disappearing. The ideas of sanity and insanity swirled away. Ideas of struggle or no struggle swirled away. Soon, ALL distinctions swirled away and was mixed together. It was like my brain hard drive got wiped clean. This was NOT like the stillness or emptiness I have experienced during meditation. When all distinctions were mixed together, there was nothing. The concept of nothingness has been difficult for my mind to comprehend. The idea of "one everything" is easier for my mind to hold. I've heard various teachers speak about "nothingness" in different ways. Some say "it's not really like the type of nothing most people imagine". Well, now I have direct experience with nothingness. When all distinctions disappeared there was nothing. And I mean NOTHING. I did not see anything in my field of view. I did not hear, feel or smell anything. There were no thoughts. There was no me. There was no body, United States, foreign countries, fruit, feminism, gender, people, objects. Nothing. There was no nothing, no emptiness, no stillness, no infinity, no void. Nothing. I did not see empty black or white. I did not see emptiness or transparent. There was no other world. Nothing. At about 12min., there was the first appearance of a something. The first slight distinction of something different than a something else. It was very subtle, kinda hazy and amorphous. Then an amazing process began. Gradually, more distinctions began to appear. Shapes started to arise. Sounds started to arise. At first, with low resolution - then with more resolution. Ideas started to appear. Then a sense that there was awareness that was aware of what was arising. Then physical sensations and an idea there is a body. Then an idea of a me. Then images of objects in my living room - the couch and ceiling. Then the idea that I was lying in my living room floor. It was like actually watching a lifetime of programming take place. Totally fascinating. I've had nondual experiences, yet there was always some type of consciousness/awareness present. Here, there was no consciousness/awareness. There was nothing to be aware of. There was no observer. It was the appearance of a first something when awareness arose to be aware of it. What could come prior to awareness has been inconceivable to me. I often hear teachers speak of awareness/consciousness - yet rarely do they speak prior to awareness/consciousness. Looking back, the nothingness is so simple. You can't get any simpler. Yet, my mind just can make sense of it. There is a sense of knowing it without being able to fully describe or understand it.

@BasegodmikeSometimes deep truths can be hidden in common areas. I walked this same path to go back home more than i can remember, but this time, in a contemplative mindset i felt this void, this meaninglessness wave around me. It was as if i could have surrendered my life there and died, joined the absolute nothingness that is right in front of me.

I have been in the same place as you. I am lonely till this day but the great thing about it, I don't feel like I need to belong anymore. I feel more like I need to help others get their needs so that they help me get my basic needs so that I go off my way to do what I enjoy. After reading books about how humans behave and interact and watching others in real-time proving the abstract theories in the books. I no longer need to belong because I don't like jealousy and scheming and allowing other underdeveloped individuals caught up in their own insecurities and emotions to walk all over me. It happens in every group and in every situation. People constantly test each other and make judgement unconsciously and unmindfully to make others comply to their Ideas and needs all the time without mutual benefits and understanding which is uncomfortable. I started self-love and developed affirmations that WORKS like charm!! I always say" love comes from within, approval from within, I belong to myself, I have only one chance in Life never a second one and If I die that's it forever." I just immediately start loving everything. Another thing worked for me big time is contemplating the beauty of Absolute infinity or god or nothingness and guess what? I get good feeling as well. Make the absolute infinity your primary chase and knowing yourself and what you can contribute and You will see all sorts of amazing opportunities and great feelings and happiness. Animals make great companions and great bonding

How? When? Guesses? (TBH, I'M UNSURE AS I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED NON-DUALITY / NOTHINGNESS DIRECTLY, BUT I'M PRETTY WHAT I SAY BELOW IS CORRECT) SO... If you guessed Sleep, then You're right! The deep-sleep "experience" or rather "non-experience" is what IT is. You know that feeling when we have all had to get up in the morning, but snooze our alarms just to get Even 1-2 minutes more of sleep, that's you wanting that peace/bliss/utter pure stillness . the infinite love/bliss/just being in that restful state , the sleep, the quick zero-durarion-esq blurp of sleep which is infinitely better than a deep massage or a hit of heroin. Now I feel I understand why it cannot be explained, the state/Non-dual experience I mean. It's because there is no content appearing during that for us to explain or talk about. So that's how the experience of enlightenment / NON-DUALITY would feel like I am sure. Yet it's way way more unimaginably powerful as one is somehow "conscious/aware" in that state vs how we normally are "unconscious" during our sleep/deep-sleep. Boom

That checkerboard background is the blank empty nothingness that I am referring to.

But it really can be so easily intellectually understood (minus the direct experience of it) Picture A blank empty Adobe canvas (the checkered box pattern indicating all layers are removed) That's what nothingness is What your idea of nothing is, is a layer which is added onto that black canvas! So if I imagine pure darkness/blank empty space, that's a layer of reality and therefore not the absolute The absolute is that canvas, empty of all layers Am I right @Leo Gura

@Leo Gura All praises to the nothingness, formless, void, timeless, spaceless, darkness that created everything and gave light to itself and from it stems all intelligence, all forms, all conflicts, all good, all evil. All praises to its sublime desires and infinite possibilities over us and our egoistic desires. My names: The reactor: the one that reacts with itself and from itself generates all things possible The infinite loser: The one that lose it qualities completely and everything lose its qualities to it and become worthless and petty with it The great masker: The one who mask everything The colorful one: The one who colors all existence from nothingness. The great mystery: The one who give mystery to all things and itself is greater mystery

@Torkys, I think good things happen to you when you take action to make them happen. The law of attraction will only work for you if you do more than just dream a pleasant dream. First, you have a dream, a desire or a wish for something good in your life, then you make it happen by doing stuff that gets results. if you take action but don't get any results, then you will need to re-evaluate and change your actions into something more productive and beneficial. This is where perseverance comes in. Such a boring concept; no-cares for perseverance. It's not exactly magical. I can only report on my own life and what has happened to me. When I wanted something but didn't take any action at all, nothing happened. Nothing can be good, I am not decrying "nothingness". Plenty of people love doing nothing and they do it well. Good. Enjoy "nothing", because it is free and readily available to all beings. No need for any kind of discussion there! But of course you are welcome to discuss it, if you would like. Nothingness. Very beautiful. however, the 'law of attraction' kind of implies that you would actually like to attract something. Am I wrong? Decide what you would like to attract, find out all you can about this thing, ask questions, make phone calls, take notes and do some brain- storming. Share your ideas with a friend. Talk it over. Then: take action. Considered action. Educated action. Purposeful action. Act with joy and good will. See if you do not get results. I think you will.

What is the question in this thread and what is the point? I do not understand anything You think there is too much theory and not enough "nothingness"? What is the point? The English is totally off

@tentacion yes. all is made of and out of God even these words, the screen, the thought, you, your body and well, the deep being-level you is god. the pure knowing awareness is god check out leo's topic post about what god is God is nothingness as @metwinn is saying nothingness is everywhere, hence it is everything . thru everything, forming everything a tv screen displaying a scene of a busy street. it appears to show cars/people/buildings etc but it's all made up of pixels. lose-metaphor there, but i am walking on a treadmill as i write this

High Consciousness : * Enlightened sex through 5-MeO DMT in an astral plane * High Quality activated almonds & avocadoes smoothie for breakfast * Wake up at 2 AM every night to meditate for nothing * Only 1-3 High Level friends with similar statistics * Squat to take a shit * Contemplate about the nature of nothingness every day * Not kill any single living entity ( not even vile cockroaches ) + bonus GOD KARMA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Low Consciousness * Fap while watching mom-son porn * Eat crap food * Talking with people in real life about '' real life issues '' * Shit while sitting down * Watch T.V and have friends & family for amusement/distraction from the present moment * Have an identity ( I AM SUCH * ( INSERT i am a white person, i am a black male, i am a scientist etc ) * Kill animals/Humans/insects without second thought This list will be updated , you can add yours!

Sleep: pure consciousness (everything). Awake: pure illusion (Nothing) So right as you’re waking up, the transition happens, or, the veil goes back on. There’s a quick re-acclamation of identity, and we call that a dream. When the day to day is realized as dream, there are no more dreams at night, no mind needing to resolve “two states”, as there are not states anymore. One state was ‘everything’ or ‘things/objects’ and a separate “me”, the other nothing. But they are the same. “ I “ am nothing. Nothing dreams. Nothing is the dreamer. Nothing is awake. Wakefulness is Nothingness. There is nothing to resolve, but a dream body/mind might is dreaming ‘thinking’ (seeking enlightenment) and imposing there is something to resolve, something to realize. The imposing can not be resolved, there is not really an ‘imposer’ (identity), and there is not any ‘thing’ to impose upon, or use relatively, to identify a “you”. There is just You.

Martin Balls 'Being Human' (on Leo's book list) is a fantastic read-cuts straight to the point about how psychedelics should be used in a no bullshit manner. However, I have a few concerns over what he mentions. Subtle energies (Chakras) Do not exist are bullshit 1. On one of Leo's blog posts, he mentions that he was wrong about chakras and they do exist 2. Leo mentioned he was going to work on a video on chakras in his 'going Bhudda episode' 3. I have had an experience of my 'third eye' opening. After a meditation session, I sat down without a single thought in my mind, simply observing, utterly present. Suddenly, the centre of my forehead (where people say the third eye is located) starts to pulsate like a flashlight turning on and off on nearly empty batteries. Things start to become wavy, like I'm tripping on some psychedelic, then my vision abruptly goes dark. I could still feel my body but I could not see it. I felt as if there was something beyond this darkness, almost as if it were a veil, but every time I felt I got close to something my heart would beat and fear would take over-I dont even know what I feared! I wasn't scared of anything in particular, it was almost like a preset response... I shifted between this wavy vision and darkness for about 30 seconds until the experience just faded. Anyways, I'm not claiming I know chakras exist as I don't quite understand what I've experienced, but chakras do seem like the most likely explanation. Reading the book left me extremely confused to say the least. Also, as a side-note: martin mentions the notion of nothingness being the ultimate reality is false Could anyone explain what it could be if not nothingness? I'm 20 years old and have only begun my personal development journey for the last 2 years, only 1 of which have I known about non-duality. I have read 0 books on enlightenment/consciousness/nonduality (that will change to hundreds over the years) and mostly base my knowledge from Leos videos, so I apologise if this is a bit of shit question, its quite confusing to see read book titles such as 'god is nothingness' and hear contradictory things from someone like Martin Ball, both of which whom seem like trust able sources. Any clarification would be much appreciated.

There is a lot of invalidation of the most practical things. I think so many people want so much to progress on the spiritual path, that they lose sight of more obvious realities. So, it understandably can be quite frustrating. This is why I think taking a more integrative approach to spirituality is best. So, instead of only focusing toward formlessness and nothingness, there is also a respect for Earthliness and everything-ness.

@MarkusSweden yes, the deepest truth(s) really cannot be encapsulated in words we simply tie meaning to words in attempt to express what is felt or experienced and so without the [attachment to] feeling or experience there is nothing at its depths though, like language, reality as we perceive it is all very cyclical... just one thing leading back to that same thing adding thoughts/words/descriptions may be a way to convey, but just that... it distorts what is there in actuality is it possible to add something to nothing and still communicate the idea of nothingness? n̗̭̝͇͇͔͙̘͓̱̫͐̊̅͌̉̊͊ͭ͋̉ͪ̄͛ͤͩa̖͇̥̘̟̪̺̘͖͈̜̮͍͓͔̗̹ͫͫͯ̓ͩ̾̍̌m̬̪͖͔̹̪̯ͥ̒̓ͧ̇̉̃̇͋̇͑ͫ͋͂͋͑ͭ̒a̠͕̳̳͇̝̖͇͉̗̲̯̘͉̮̱ͨ͂̿̓̌s̜̳̼ͣ̾̃ͧ̎̍̽̔͊̈ͅt̙̩͈̟̲̦̞̙̝̤̱̲̗͕̘̐ͥ͌̚ȅ̘̘͕̘͕̝͖̖̹̹̞͓̪̝̬͔͙͊̀ͪ͋͂̒͑͐͋ͪͧͅͅ - yawning gap

@tentacion There's actually nothing behind this physical reality. That nothingness is what you are, what God is Nothingness and Infinity are identical. So this Nothingness is infinitely intelligent. That's what you are intuiting but not yet fully grasping. P.S. LSD or mushrooms are very good alternatives to 5-MeO. They can show you this too.

Someone kill himself because he didn't find love in yoga, so he wanted truth and so kill himself. ( it's another topic in self actualization journal, I don't know if it's erased though ) Many people tell the guy to find love, OR that he was full of shit for not working properly ( rofl ) finaly he is released from any ego I suppose. There is many thing to learn from leo, but nothing from the word and meaning of his sentence. I wish they recruit me in their scam party, I want to be full of monney and all heil satan, damn I use 666 since I m born, I don't want to work, I m annoying enough to be a part of the scam. This whole society is a scam, finaly one thing to learn from a show like Mr Robot. Humans are really all pathetic creatures, probably only people with mind disorder who cannot get emotionnal can live in truth. So psychopath are more close to the truth than everyone else. Psychopath can't feel love, maybe god forget them. it's too easy to fix your mindset by sayin that nothing exist, even if it was the case. Do I m creating this whole shit nihilist reality right now I suppose not really, do I m the ultimate creator ? no. Do I own my algorythm ? not sure. I can follow the music I want that is inside me, but why would I choose this path ? I never created the instrument, they are not from my mind, they are from the mind of someone else, I m just creature, not god. And if I m prove it to me. If god created me, he is a piece of shit to curse me with "life experience". He never even give me insight about "love" in fucking 25 years, this god is full of shit, and If I m god, I m full of shit, I would never enter a game that I don't know shit about. I never loved "hardcore mode". If I was god I would never experience life, I would stay god. God isn't borred, how god could be, if they are not borred, why creates reality. no reason, what is the purpose of creating such a system ? only experimental rat lab. I believe we are in a simulation, a powerful civilisation use us like rat lab and collect information about us, but nothing is "god made", even if the root is made by god, WHY, why do I m fucking god :laughing: Before I was born, they was nothingness, I can almost remember "waiting" why ? I believe that you can fuck your mind with "religion faith" / and others type of thinking All bias can lead to BS thinking, but fear lead to delusion. And everyone is full of fear tell me, If I m god just like you, don't deny me, answer me, and don't be "be love", be explicit, I m very stupid but the most intelligent in this domain, my ego is very backslashing me, I need a list of thing to love. Give to god some food for thought, give god some insight about this "love". God did LSD, and god didn't find any truth in it. Only a good mind fuckery that he loved. don't tell me that it's my mind creating this thought, it isn't, it's too easy to be passive. is non sense our reality ? probably, even non sense, what is non sense ? what is sense ? everything is bullshit anyway, yoga or satan, or ego, nothing is real, it's only emotional line that we can all draw from our mind. Nothing "is" and there is nothing, only imagination and emotional building. nothing is true, it's all completely bs, but litteraly, everything is. Believing in god, or not believing in it, folllowing discipline or being a raw monkey, nothing as ground, nothing as sky, it's all a nightmare/dream, choose the one who fit prove me wrong please. I m all open minded for it.

@SoonHei sorry I misread your question. I can only speak from my experience. I meant prior to trascending your own death. That is what I meant with existential terror. Once transcending that, there is nothing to be afraid of. God/Nirvana/nothingness/absolute infinity/love is all there is. Upon remembering the true nature of what you are, silence is all that is left

@Rilles oh, no, no. i meant it in this way. that God/Allah being the supreme consciousness which sees all. that is the master of all the "I" so when jesus/muhammad/buddah etc all went deep inside and found nothingness . that was the essence of their own respective souls and then from those states when we ask the question who watches THAT - we can say, the One who watches THAT is META-to-THAT , therefore, we cannot confirm it. as we cannot confirm it, is it not just a belief that the ultimate see-er is what we are deep down? the ultimate see-er which One, who becomes enlightened, looks from... how can the ASSUMPTION be made that is the ultimate see-er not seen by anyone else META-to-IT ? what if that ultimate see-er META-to-IT is what GOD is?