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Ego just hangs there suspended in the nothingness supported only by it's own illusion.

Unbound Telesis: a primordial realm of infocognitive potential free of informational constraint. In CTMU cosmogony, “nothingness” is informationally defined as zero constraint or pure freedom (unbound telesis or UBT), and the apparent construction of the universe is explained as a self-restriction of this potential. In a realm of unbound ontological potential, defining a constraint is not as simple as merely writing it down; because constraints act restrictively on content, constraint and content must be defined simultaneously in a unified syntax-state relationship. Some other short videos with a new perspective (I don't agree with much, but they are well made). The CTMU is too complex for me to understand. Taking the raisins out of the oatmeal. Documentary about this guy:

@Highest so even nothingness is not a concept?

@How to be wise well in Leo's last video he said that there's a God head and there's God which is a part of the God head and we are a buble of the God Head, the infinite nothingness right?

Notes You are god and you are part of god, ultimate you is god, saying your god is part of god Why don’t I feel part of god? Reality is only possible when you imagine it to be true (not important to you right now) Substance of which everything is made is not needed for you in day to day life God is tricky and hiding because he is formless (takes every form) pure potential, confuse form with the illusion World of form and formlessness are the same thing God is an invincible being - rock bottom of reality, god is not falsifiable because he is pure truth Everything is absolute truth but you didn’t acknowledge it yet Cut through all illusion (truth seeking) No one can tell or show you the truth unless you go out and proof it for yourself Exploiting loopholes in theory by explaining god for everything, always surfaces no substance so god is the nothingness in between Atheist / materialist - reality is whatever you hold it for Sentient is not yours, it’s the universe, you imagine your friends and family into existence You are the universe there is no separateness between you and the universe you belief in time and space but it’s not real Brain is happening in consciousness not the other way around paranormal phenomena are real atheist doesn’t realise he made himself Reality has no limits God can’t be an illusion because he is absolute truth present and conscious (dmt is god) god can be an hallucination and brain state to exit the matrix is to realise that there is always another matrix containing this matrix you experience Why isn’t god part of another god (replace the world god with everything / total) How do you know infinity is not created by something else, because infinity includes all Totality of oneness There can’t be 2 gods because he’s everything god can’t lift the rock he created itself, god has to limit himself to something that can lift the rock God can destroy himself as he destroys different forms of himself backwards rationalising god is real, absolute truth misunderstand god, yes you can so be sure to understand absolute truth Saying you don’t know is a great way to speak the truth But you don’t know that you don’t know Evil doesn’t exist, it is what threatens your survival, suffering is there for you to survive Movie is bad for the actors, not for the viewers You are god, caught up in your own mind You hate murder, rape etc.. but god loves everything so also the ‘bad’ things Why isn’t god not infinite evil, because everything is labeled good God wants to know what its like to be murdered, raped etc.. God and the devil are the same thing (devil is a disguise of god) Why is god hard to explain (tribal language for earlier humans, not very enlightened people that filtered it through there own mind) Story gets misinformed Why differences in religion - actual there are a lot of overlapping similarities just different ways of telling the stories religion responsible for most evil and war, but so is science and humans in general Why use the word god? - there is a lot of confusion around it Minor realisation of enlightenment, therefor there remains a lot of confusion No religion or teaching has a monopoly on the truth Realise god is the form and formless Bring your experience with god, back to earth and here and explain it so it makes sense for you high quality sources to check yourself (cross reference) why not kill yourself and become god yourself, god reincarnated himself to be here right now enlightenment now! because you want to fulfil a long and rich life realising god ego exist in the presence of god, forgot itself and have to realise itself / awake again god doesn’t know itself until it life through itself science will never be able to understand god, can’t get there with symbols so science has to reinvent itself and become more mysticism if god is alone does it feel alone, god doesn’t feel anything, you create other people so you don’t feel alone mechanism of god is direct, what you see it the mechanism, cause and exist only exist if you think it’s there god always existed, it created itself (formless god was always there, but it created the form full god) God is always evolving create your own life and make it amazing sahadi samadhi - full awakening, doesn’t happen with a few insights realise god by doing nothing for 30 days (including thinking and visualising) never to young to ask questions about god most stage blue people are to much caught up in there stage blue thinking to even grasp questions about god god’s whole point is just to be and experience life god is personal and impersonal god has no agenda for the universe other then the being of the universe, but god is becoming more and more complex, aiming towards singularity / easier to experience god god is experience all at the same time how can a realisation of god be used to elevate consciousness, control emotions, raise family, teach others does realising god give you paranormal powers, yes it can but doesn’t have to be are miracles possible, yes, everything is a miracle but it depends what you call a miracle is everything in the bible false? no there are good stories and clues in there but not all ]you have no duty towards god, cause you are god, there is no duality between you and god, so you can’t worship him only yourself whatever you do god is fine with it will following my religion lead me to god. let your religion go and chase the truth higher level - stage turquoise, take into account all viewpoint and integrate all worldview realise what god is (real curiosity) validate everything what leo says and verify for yourself god is a really confusing topic even after all these question only way to understand god is to awaken to god

Yeah, how could one know, who would be there to tell you? But it seems though you can get so enlightened, you are always beyond birth and death, which occur in the micro moments of life already, that's in my view what is meant by it, 'Your mind is the cycle of births and deaths.' So it possible you can get so enlightened you are in bliss 24/7, no sense of doer ship, plunging into nothingness at will, non-attachment, unending love, what Ramana talked about his whole life, in the presence of hoards of people being and seeing him 24/7 Waking sleep, also what it's called, having the peace of deep sleep consciousness at all times: Q: For the jnani then, there is no distinction between the three states of mind? (of sleeping, dreaming and waking) Ramana: How can there be, when the mind itself is dissolved and lost in the light of consciousness? For the jnani all the three states are equally unreal. But the ajnani is unable to comprehend this, because for him the standard of reality is the waking state, whereas for the jnani the standard of reality is reality itself. This reality of pure consciousness is eternal by its nature and therefore subsists equally during what you call waking, dreaming and sleep. To him who is one with that reality there is neither the mind nor its three states and, therefore, neither introversion nor extroversion. His is the ever–waking state, because he is awake to the eternal Self; his is the ever–dreaming state, because to him the world is no better than a repeatedly presented dream phenomenon; his is the eversleeping state, because he is at all times without the 'body–am–I' Consciousness.

Part 1 Verify what god is for yourself Depth of the question Your mind want to mislead you on this question because it is to big and all encompassing Stunned to death or ridiculed for answering this question Does god even exist? Yes, god exist 3 kind of people: Fundamental theist Atheist Agnostic All 3 of them are confused and wrong and all of them are right Stages of cognitive development Pre rational Rational Trans rational God is an experience not a thing / person How do you validate your own personal experience without proof origin of existence itself, build up proof, but who’s standards for proof are you going to use No castle without bricks, but bricks without a castle Main reason god doesn’t make sense to you is you fail to account for different stages of consciousness conventional wisdom stage of consciousness being drunk is a different stage of consciousness like dreaming To understand god you need 100 / 1000x times more consciousness Science can have dogma’s controversial question that depends on all your worldview what is your true attitude about god That attitude is the main roadblock in understanding God Did you experience god already? Are you consciousness of god right now? Misconceptions about God: Denial of death Bearded man in the sky Not a thing, man, etc.. God doesn’t have rules to follow and doesn’t judge morality No one god is the one god (christian, hindu, muslim etc..) God is not different then you God is all limitation radical state of consciousness / all stages of consciousness absence of you / pure emptiness you are the obstacle nature / existence not consciousness of what reality actually is All creation absolute actual infinite all intelligent omni-present benevolent all loving perfect complete being now Can’t put your finger on what god is, because it is the finger pointing at itself You are god non duality - no difference between things - unified Strange loop - god created itself everything and nothing answer to all questions ab substantial existence questions there is nothing there and there never was, will be god feels like awakening of a dream imagination is all of consciousness feels like dying, like the end of life as you know it called death god surrender everything WOW / OMG feeling terrifying, awesome at the same time simultaneous leaves you in the matrix and not part of it metaphysical orgasm cosmic holographic fractal - it contains within it every possibility, unlimited zooming in and out the universe is aware through your eyes There can only be 1, because it is absolute infinity there can be only one absolute emptiness and nothingness infinite intelligence infinite beauty profound peace can’t be killed or destroyed immortality greatest joy Feels like you, pure 'I am ness’ alive, radiant, Not knowing, as close to God as you can get Greatest moment of your life Why is God confusing? Formless Science is part of the dream and thus can’t explain it mind fuck deep paradox and strange loop radical openmindness are you open to the truth that your friends are the creations of your imagination opposite of survival actual face your own death can’t make an equation of god materialistic society can’t understand god more technical advanced then spiritual subjective and relative possibilities for you to experience god for yourself reveals everything to be an illusion threatens power hierarchies Once you know god, no one will understand you except people who experienced it as well Other words for god emptiness, zen, awareness, consciousness, I, nirvana, etc.. there is no rational explanation and that’s why your denying it How do you experience god? metaphysical experience self inquiry decompression concentration, focus, meditation kriya yoga deep suffering, deprivation solo meditation retreat psychedelics ways not to experience god language traditional western proof objectivity readings prayer church audio, videos, podcast, forums samadhi, direct experience or being, non-dual form of perception go beyond experience research and validate everything leo said for yourself how significant is everything leo said?

@Schahin Your understanding of Buddhism and Nirvana is limited. Yes, Nirvana is to cease to exist, which is identical to pure existence, which is identical to God, which is identical to Nothingness, which is identical to Buddha-mind, which is identical to Love, which is identical to Truth, which is identical to 5-MeO-DMT. Death is Nirvana/Heaven. Death is a dip into the infinite ocean of pure consciousness. The ego cannot properly understand this because it thinks death is terrible. There is no such thing as non-existence! When you say non-existence what you're really talking about is the end of the ego. Which was unreal to begin with, so nothing is really lost! 5-MeO can reveal all this to you, and more! If you ground Buddhism up into a fine snortable powder, it would be 5-MeO-DMT. P.S. Consciousness is already nothing, so it needs no cessation, nor can it be ceased. There is only consciousness, only nothing. You guys are confused because you have not yet reached ultimate nonduality, the ultimate unification of formlessness with form. Form is not other than "cessation". Whatever deep sleep state you are imagining is not other than the waking state you are in right now. You are not properly understanding Buddhism because Buddhism cannot be properly understood without full nondual awakening. Buddhism is teaching extremely advanced things which even most Buddhists do not fathom. How could they? You cannot read this stuff in a book. And meditation is rarely enough. As the Buddha said, no one will understand.

The two are inter-related. My impression is that you have had direct experience with both trans-egoic and trans-rational conscious states. From an egoic state of consciousness, the underlying energy of "will" is driven primarily to satisfy needs and self survival. There is an energetic shift of "will" at a trans-egoic state. Have you experienced a state of consciousness in which the personality is within a more expansive consciousness? Or the personal consciousness dissolves and there is a higher consciousness? Perhaps a sense of collective consciousness or "oneness" - in which the center of consciousness is no longer perceived as a contracted personal consciousness restricted within the brain? At first, this freaked me out and caused anxiety and panic. I had no idea what "it" might do to "me". Yet, with time and experience it becomes normalized. Once one reaches tier 2 various levels of relativity is revealed. For example, imagine you are at a concert dancing in a crowed area and "lose yourself". The crowd becomes this giant amoeba and the center of consciousness is this collective consciousness - the amoeba. Is that absolute or relative? Well, the individual human consciousness has dissolved, so it isn't relative in that sense. Yet at a higher level, isn't the amoeba relative? It's just one little old collective consciousness - there are countless other collective consciousnesses occuring. So, it is just one relative collective conscious. So, the fun part. . . does that collective amoeba have a free will? As you asked. . . is this free will illusory? I don't know. That is what I am currently exploring - similar to how I explored the nature of an egoic free will years ago. At the absolute level, perhaps there is one infinite intelligence and one will. Yet, that is beyond my understanding. In the strictest sense, the absolute is everything, so it cannot be referred to as any thing. Yet, in a sense that is a cop-out answer. A more honest answer is I don't know. Absolute and relative is a bimodal categorization. It's super helpful, yet we can add distinctions if we want to go that route. For example, I like to think of nonduality as a series of layers. The amoeba example I gave above is a form of nonduality - individual egos dissolve and a collective ego is revealed. Yet, it is not the ultimate oneness, nothingness, emptiness of nonduality. When I saw things as either dual or nondual, I was missing out on a lot of stuff that is an integration between the two.

@cetus56 I am consciousness currently, you are asking me to let that go. i do not know how or where to begin i understand and at the same time do not know the absolute but what this video is asking is to become nothingness and die, i'm on board. i just don't see how to get there from my current position. so consciousness itself is an illusion? it must be transcended?

[workout] What the workout was about: I'm glad I finally could workout, this Sunday was a torture without it. I guess it's the habit, in my culture I mean, that Sundays are supposed to be lazy and "do-nothing"-ish. That moment when indoctrination is stronger than your mind... This time I simply wanted to center myself. I felt very empty and I needed this. Am I even human? The fat on my neck doesn't let me correct my posture, soooo I need to take care of that. Slow, steady movements, muscle building, tons of water again. Type of exercises: stretching, abs, neck, general workout Satisfaction level: A nice 7 this time. I mean I feel like nothingness incarnated, but hey, at least I got some energy moving! I guess it all boils down to thoughts. Music: Listened to a subliminal track for fast metabolism on repeat for about 1 hour.

One difference between 1st and 2nd tier SD is 1st tier is motivated by 'deficiency needs' and 2nd tier is motivated by 'being needs' as Ken Wilbur phrased it. Motivation for 'Being needs' is working because of a selfish fulfillment. Not selfish in the sense of stingy or narcissistically self absorbed but as in deeply inspired. Two usages for personality - A part of us will die in the sense that we realize that our personalities are just constructs. In the Work, personality is synonymous with ego which is a false self based on internalized images. I was thinking about Realized Individuals who have little to no personality. That is, personality as it's usually used in the world. Echart Tolle AH Almaas Larry McMurtry Maurice Nicoll - THE FEELING OF NOTHINGNESS “When the Work says that a man must come to realize his own nothingness before he can be re-born, it does not mean that he must humble himself and so on, but that he must by long self-observation actually begin to realize that he is nothing and that there is no such person as himself. The object of this is to get into a position, psycho- logically speaking, between the opposites...Why is it so important to get somewhere into the centre of the pendulum and not swing to and fro? Because here, between the opposites, lie all the possibilities of growth. Here influences from higher levels can reach us. Here, in this place where one can feel one’s own nothingness (and where one is therefore free from contradictions), influences and meanings com- ing from higher centres, which have no contradictions, can be felt. Not regarding yourself as good or bad, not priding yourself on being just or otherwise, not thinking you are well-treated or badly-treated, not being caught by either movement through identifying, you come into this mid-position. This is not easy! With personality active, it is impossible. EJ Gold seems like a rarity in the Work. He's an extroverted Jovial type. A big lively personality,,,

Interesting, but, when an enlightenment experience is happening, there is an understanding of it. Its an understanding that there is no inner or outer world. understanding does = infinite humor, but it wasn't created by illusion, it was created by god. This is deeply significant, the understanding has God in it. This is also different to nothingness and everythingness. It explains how the world was created, instead of what it is fundamentally.

I remember my experience back in November. Succumbing into nothingness has never felt so blissful.

@Krisena brahma can not be logically integrated as brahma holds everything that was and ever will be already from the beginning of time and creates itself out of itself out of pure nothingness. because brahma loves nothing and everything at the same time. brahma does not discern but holds discernment in itself and reveals discernment through itself.

Reality is like a giant mind a mind in which your mind resides in, want to know what others things resides in this mind? space, time, happiness, love, murder, human body, perception, energy, dualism, jackie chan, the brain, the trees, basically anything that you can ever think of is included in this mind, EVERYTHING is a self-delusion, (note: everything states that there is more than one, there's not, there is only the one) The one its self is self-delusion. the infinite mind, sees no distinction of what humans create dualistic terms for, it is aware of itself because it is the only thing that exsist. but the way that the finite mind (human minds) percieves, the duality between exsistance and non exsistance is created, and so the definitions are not the same, they need to be recontextualised. the non dualistic term for exsist, is it the only that is real( exsist) period. consciousness/awareness/moksha/god/ allah/bhraman/ nothingness/emptiness is all that exsist, we can understand this in concept EASILY, but its not a conceptual thing, its A POINTER to how the infinite mind creates the illusion! YES illusion that ITSELF is a finite being, the way in which it does this is it has to identify or intentively create a seperate self by creating a boundary that does not exsist (thats where the word illusion really means). the finite beings created are us! TOM, DICK AND HARRY, the illusions are A) these are three seperate beings B) harry head is bigger than harry so he must be different C) tom, well tom has blue eyes these are daily distinctions we make everyday because we take it for granted that we are the same consciousness, individuating into seperate selfs. the deceptions go on and on from the moment they started from the start of human history, THERE WAS NO HUMAN BEING IN THE FIRST PLACE IN HISTORY! there was only awareness and will always be only awareness, human being is a concept. there has never been anything such as a human being, but in this giant mind! it allows for every delusion to be created simulataneously. so while i'm sitting here writting on my laptop i can create 10 new delusions, and you who's reading can create 15 new delusions all you have to do is use your mind to create self-deceptions lets do an experiment 1) wait 5 seconds and continue reading, how many thoughts have you created each one of those are self-delusions. those 10 and 15 delusions you created are exactly the same as creating a delusion of seperate self's called tom, dick and harry. THE INFINITE MIND is infinite, like one giant mind, creating delusion after delusion. THEN when someone has truthed a delusion for themselves, another individual will believe it because it's been proofed. There is only one truth that can be absolute that truth is: all there is: is ..... [ insert word here] or the true self all other things are delusions because they create distinctions of any kind, this also includes how to live life in a certain way.. there is no way to correctly live life, but that doesn't stop you enjoying the illusion and creating a good life for yourself. The mechanism that things come into reality are by delusion of seperate self, and that includes perception of a seperate subject. which will either be the subject or object. perception comes from our five senses , our five sense hear,see,sound,etc, etc.. ALL DECEPTIONS, AFTER DECEPTIONS, AFTER DECEPTIONS there is no seperate object to sense , it only seems that way because of the thoughts you have or knowledge, whats really happening is: the same awareness or consciousness is interacting with itself, its aware of itself, but not as any self, just the sentence ends at its aware of itself. The infinite mind can create literally anything, itself is has no form or internal design, the maya is none other than illusion but only as illusory as real can be Hope this clarifies some things for you, got any questions let me know.

non duality = there is not two but one true nonduality = there is only [must be left blank because the word is only a pointer] words would include nothingness, emptiness, awareness, consciousness so true nonduality is the true self the true self is buddahood for me, the true self is the thing that you are, the only thing that is real in reality the thing that the one is made from without any distinctions being made what this thing is, is your true nature but you can know it to many degrees the different degrees are the different degrees of enlightenment nonetheless the way we define enlightenment as seekers is a realising or recognising of the true self the very thing that i am. to recognise it you have to quite the mind is this not buddahood?

@sleepyj i am leaving the forum to master the presence of awareness/nothingness ( i am pure awareness, but more i mean master a particular lifestyle) after today for a good while, i have been on here for 2 months daily. so i would like to hear your opinion on each of them to soak up as much wisdom as possible if you have the time. the first one i would like to hear about is correct speech and correct mindfulness

While meditating I saw that I could let go of bodily sensations the same way that I let go of thoughts, and then I slowly drifted into nothingness. When I saw this I immediately thought of nonduality, because if the outside forms (sight, sound, touch) and inside forms (thought, etc) are the same then it makes sense that I can let go of them in almost in the same way. In nothingness, I looked around for my true self. But there was nothing. I knew better than to create some idea of what the self was. I stayed in nothingness for a little while and at the same time was curious where the ultimate knowledge of my nature was. In hindsight I can do some critical thinking and say, okay the nothingness IS me, or I am what underlies the nothingness. Here is where I am confused: If it's true that I am nothingness, then it must also be true that when I am focused on a thought or object or feeling, then I am the object. However, I know identifying with thoughts is wrong, so this is contradictory. On the other hand, if I say that I am what underlies nothingness, then I also must say that I am what underlies my thoughts and feelings. However, here you notice there is a duality between thoughts and what underlies them (presumably the true self/ consciousness, awareness, whatever). Is this duality acceptable? I still see in this case the nonduality between sight/touch/thoughts/inner voice etc.

your idea of nothingness, falls short of absolute nothingness, we don't mean empty of anything more like there was nothing there in the first place, but there appears to be something. you are the object, but also the space in between the object don't forget about this, you are connected to eachother entirely and in that sense you are the object. it is only your perception that the object is a distance away from you through subject/object orientation created by thought. this duality is not acceptable, because the true self/ awareness etc . does not have a duality for you to create a duality out of it. it is something that is present all the time with thoughts the duality of thoughts vs no thoughts can be made i am thinking/ i am not thinking.

As the above poster made mention, you said you think you saw nothingness and then rationalized that this may be your true self. However what is aware of this ‘you’ that saw all this other stuff. That my friend is worth looking into. If you can see what you call yourself inside your head body or awareness your not there yet.

@BIggleswerth The sense of me or i feeling Is present or absent in nothingness? Nothingness means complete absence of subjective identity. Not just thoughts, feelings. Is it that nothingness you are taking about?

I think you are asking the wrong questions. God doesn't want anything, as he is the source of wanting. God doesn't create any particular game, he creates every game there can be, because there is nothing to stop him from doing so. God is nothingness, and nothingness does not feel bad about creating a world full of misery, because that would require for god to have already made himself in a way to dislike a particular thing. Nothingness doesn't want to create anything at all, it simply does, because there is nothing to stop nothingness from making everything come into existence. It is wonderful, but it is also terrible. It is every adjective you can possibly imagine and more. It is the is-ness of every idea and emotions you can feel, of everything you have every experienced and ever will. How would infinity be infinite if there was something lacking inside it? You have yet to grasp what there even is to grasp.

Infinity. Infinity is pure nothingness - the word nothingness really doesn't properly describe it because it is using language. So we're not talking about the word nothingness we are talking about actual nothingness, again language breaks down here. Now, this nothingness is infinite which means it has to be everything and anything that could possibly be. It is intelligent (remember its EVERYTHING....EVERYTHING... therefore it can dream up anything and everything it wants - but remember everything is also nothing, therefore you get a hallucination - there is no physical substance here - it is hollow. But it FEELS so tangible because those perceptions are affected by other perceptions, ie. the perception of a brain, a body, etc. When you actually grasp being itself and are able to become being itself you will see this for yourself and the materialist paradigm will melt away.

Hi there In my experince.. when i had my awakening , I was just in peace with it, with the nothingness with being the universe , there is this level of acceptance.. that you cant just discribe with words. Accepting everything at such level is just soooo releaving, because there is literally nothing for you to worried about. Now .. this experince lasted for a short period while i was on my trip... the question being : would I like to have that same level of awekness 24/7 ? would i like it to become my reality ? very good question the answer is simply : I dont know ...... on one side it was the best experinced i had so far on the other side i wonder what it would be like to be like that 24/7... ?