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Celibate Monks being perverted only happens because their experience of life is still body based, they have not gone beyond the body and mind, when they do then they experience something more fantastic than bodily sex orgasms and such body pleasures, that is true Brahmacharya, you are not denying yourself anything, because You have experience life beyond Body and Mind, this is Bliss and that takes away the need to search for simple pleasures...

To Use Suffering as a tool for more Spiritual Growth or Growth in general is can be done, but its risky and unnecessary, some cannot get out of the suffering they feel and can be trapped by it and live their whole lives suffering and even taking their lives.. One can go the path of Bliss, on a scale of 0-10 Peace is 0, 10 is Ecstasy, its a matter of intensity of Experience, but if You are not at Peace naturally within, then your Potential is very limited and won't be experienced or explored... The more Suffering You feel the further away from Truth You are its plain and simple, but the ego luvs it, "Hey Look what I've done and I've gone thru it with Lots of Suffering, look at me look at me.." so crude and stupid!

Yes for sure I agree, if they are starving hungry and there is war and lack of basic needs then Bliss is not the way, Spiritual path is not there for them in most ways, although some do get it right off the bat, this the game of it all, we are born with certain karma within our system on many levels, then there is Samsara which can be related to the situations around you, you can control and bypass your own karma, and live now and be very happy no matter what is going on, but living in a war torn suffering atmosphere at the sametime.. Everyone should have the basic needs, but beyond that like the sports cars and luxury lifestyles that some live, it goes over board real quick and in our world today there are a very small amount of ppl living this way, compared to the vast majority just barely making it by even in 1st world countries like Canada where I live, its like AFrica in a small village somewhere for some ppl here, 8-10 ppl living in small apartments like animals in a cage or something...

That's an interesting perspective...But you are ofcourse aware that some people have not won the genetic lottery and they are born as starving kids in Africa..how could they "create joy and bliss as baseline " if their stomach is itching them from hunger? You first need to feed them ...give them shelter ..comfort and basic human needs . Of course chasing after sex ..money ..and drugs is a serious trap .to get drunk and snort Cocaine from a hooker's tits and sleep between a prostitute's legs everyday will ruin your life for good . It is counterintuitive in that sense . For me personally..I understand that peace is not found in material goods ..nor is it found as a baseline..I'm going for the middle way . Satisfying your needs then detaching from them when you get sick and tired of em.

Bliss is not the goal of Spiritual Path, its the Foundation, You create what You want to experience within Yourself, when in Bliss there is no more "What about Me", then You can go forward full stride, when "What about Me" is a concern then your 2 steps forward 1 step back sort of life, that is what happens when You get all that stuff, you think it will fulfill You then you get it and then feel more empty! So first create Joy and Bliss as a natural experience for You, Peace at a minimum, then go forward everything will work at Ease that way, no Stress response, less wanting and craving and looking at others in comparison which is a big no no, just be the best you can be, not in comparison with anyone else...

@Ishanga to bliss out on nothing like an enlightened ascending zen master you must first fulfil your basic needs . You need food ..money ..bitches..lamborghini..Yachts etc and enjoy the shit out of life before you can even pretend to transcend the material realm and fly off to buffy spiritual lofty land .

Hello abrakamowse, was that meditation technique the one where he gets you to focus on the sensation of the inside of your mouth and push yourself out of your head to the sensations and stuff like that? It is pretty cool you can be aware of things you never noticed before. It seems most people that meditate a lot do not get enlightened but maybe it helps increase the chances a bit compared to doing whatever everyone else is doing. Even if it doesn't get me any closer to enlightenment, It helps me be more aware of my thoughts and emotions so I can analyze my behavior and make better decisions. I can also feel my senses and emotions much more clearly which really improves the quality of my day to day life. It is really enjoyable to sit in bliss for a couple hours a day and leaves you feeling better after in a way that dopamine hits don't.

Probably you got that from my comments, because I get aggitated when someone tries to muddy the waters with lies, and I can never be sure if they're being truthful or not. So if I see clearly that someone is talking out of their ass, like the second guy in the thread, I get triggered, because it feels like someone trying to lead people down a wrong path, for their own pleasure,by cheating and lying, instead of being honest. If I was ok with lying my ass off I can think of any story, and if it is backed up by others, or close to what other authentic beings are saying, i will appear to be There, even when I'm not, by circlejerking. If a group of individuals decide to do that, then it becomes even harder to catch, because of groupthink, and might even start parroting these things myself as to not appear as unenlightened. "I hope you get there one day" is the most condescending thing one can say, and I cant see how that can ever come from a place of love. Its like he is in bliss and pities me and my state of consciousness.

A gentleman said: Ma, the mind is very restless. Ma said: "Just as restlessness is its nature, so also is stability. The mind wants its mother - that is Complete Bliss. Therefore, do you not observe that though the worldly person offers its innumerable enjoyments, it is not satiated and runs hungry and thirsty. Restlessness will never cease, it is restless for God. Until it gets God, it cannot find peace. As soon as the mind finds Him, it becomes calm." The gentleman remarked, "I have never heard such a viewpoint before, today I have learnt a great lesson." Ma joined her palms and said: "You have given the lesson." The gentleman did pranam to Ma and took leave.

Oh yes I forgot, you're a fully self-realized ascended master who is totally unphased by earthly matters and is riding the eternal wave of divine bliss 24/7. My bad! Talking nonstop about the infinite perfection of existence and then getting all worked up by some schmuck who is poking fun at him... man, you crack me up.

Question for experienced practitioners: How does kriya feel for you and what are the tangible benefits? Do you bathe in bliss or does it still your mind or what? I'm particularly interested in the power of pranayama for ya'll. I think a lot of people think they are progressing when they start experiencing some interesting energetic phenomena, but it isn't actually real spiritual attainment.

Yes it certainly is blissful and liberating. There's definitely that. But I will never forget when I had that awakening , which I call Oneness - which for me was the final in a series of realizations spanning a 3 month period It was the most incredible experience of my life. However, at the same time I remember an awful feeling as well, that came over me. It was a feeling of complete aloneness in the universe. I had to pull my car over and sit at a gas station in absolute shock over what I had just realized - but in that mystical state of Consciousness it was laid bare for me - so there was no denying it. It was like the entire universe just opened up for me and my eyes were now wide open to the Truth. There was no going back for me. I also vividly recall looking at some of my coworkers at the time and realizing they were my own mind. Having conference calls with some people still in an enlightened state and knowing they were taking place within my own mind as God. It was beautiful but at the same time mind blowing and frightening to some degree. I was forced to leave work but I wasn't able to make it all the way home without pulling over in awe but also in shock that I was alone as God. There is nothing more wonderful, but like I said there was also a feeling of deep aloneness that really cannot be described until experienced. But that aloneness was also accompanied by the miraculous sense that the entire world was all mine as God and that I was the entire thing- creating all of it. So, for me it was a very complex, deep awakening that was a mixture of both terror, amazement, and bliss all wrapped nicely into one. Tears of joy flowed knowing I was God. But the shock and awe of being alone could also not be denied.

Sorry to hear about your struggles of physical pain and I hope it gets better for you that you don't have to feel it much longer. However, Spirituality doesn't say you should accept pain and abide in pain. Spirituality doesn't say anything because it doesn't speak. If you heard that from someone, that someone or those people said it, not Spirituality. Living in pure bliss without pain is not unconditional love. You blame God but God is unconditional love. You don't blame God when things are going right, why blame God when things are going wrong. We praise God when things are going right and curse God when things are apparently going wrong. Didn't someone in Spirituality not also tell you that God is also unconditional love? That means everything, even pain. The only reason I'm saying this is not to undermine your pain but to show you how your questions about God here are futile. Doesn't mean anything. You need to figure out how to stop the pain and do all you can about that and cursing God surely won't help. There is a God but it's not what you think it is. God is your pain and God is everything. God is not an entity outside somewhere doing anything, God(and that's just a name for it) is everything including your pain.

I recently got 4 more protrusions and 2 more disc hernia on my spine. Until now I had one disc hernia. Now I have 4 protrusions and 3 disc hernia. I have horrible pain on every part of my body. I cannot stand it. But spirituality says to accept pain, to abide in pain. How? How can there be comfort in pain? Why is my life so awful? I would still meditate even if I had a nice life. What is the point of giving me a horrible life? Would not it be good if we lived in pure bliss without pain? If there is a god why does it doing this?

After death not sure, but in Heaven there is no duality, no body, no thoughts, only abstract love, so no human sex. Yet, I’ve had many sexual-type experiences in Heaven. Like 10000x better ones, because they are not limited by human mind and body. I,ve had thousands of beautiful female legs in stocking surrounding me and giant perfect lips kissing me while also within a hyperbolic mandala of extremely beautiful light. and the bliss was mindblowing and deep. Also extremely gentle and caring. Anyway, so no sex in Heaven, but yes sex in heaven. 😁😁

I don't want God, I don't know what that is, other than what ppl have said and the books written about God, which in the end are all but stories to me.. I want Bliss as my foundational Emotional state, I know that all Experience happens within Me, no where else, I know that if I stop all Stress Response, no matter what is happening (via the Accept all that is, Live Now and Respond rather than React methodology) that Peace can be my starting point in this venture, soon after Peace will become more intense and turn into Happiness, Joy then Bliss.. I know that my Body and MInd are just accumulations of sorts, Body via Food that I have eaten, Mind via the data input from my 5 senses, conditioning via my culture/society that I was brought up in and teachings, learning experiences(clinging to memory) and such, and if I can calm all of this down and stop identifying with Body/Mind, I can experience something else, what was there before all of this and have a more high quality experience of Life other than just working, eating, sleeping, sex, drugs, accumulating more experience and whatever else to only find it leave you empty looking outside to stimulate inside experiences and then dying...

Whant can I say, good luck then becoming god or whatever you want to achieve! My passion is to understand the mechanisms through which we bullshit ourselves even if this will cost me friends, sex, relationships or even happiness. If I would only want to be happy, I would join a stage green permaculture community and live there in fake bliss. I hope you guys will ultimately understand that you cannot jump over stage yellow, you adore your gurus, but your gurus are masters of logical thinking also. The real ones.

Religion is mostly about Belief nowadays generally speaking, some may have true experiences but it may be illusionary or such, who knows, all I can see of another is how they act and judge based on that, but I try to stay away from judging ppl as much as possible, its egoic in nature and creates division in my experience of life.. Spirituality is the science of directly experiencing the non physical aspect of what we are, my thoughts are non physical, my feelings and memories and such are non physical but they can manifest in physical ways. In Yoga we do not talk about God, and Infinity and such grandiose things, as they can all be imagined and Maya like, so we start from where we are at, I want a constant state of Peace as my foundation, then Bliss then Oneness/Completeness experience, its possible and can be achieved thru using of methods, again like martial arts training ( I use to teach marital arts),l one learns the training method, it physically produces a change in ones bodily response and ability to deliver attacks and defend, its the same with Yoga, you do the practices, learn the philosophy of its teachings, apply it for real in daily life (Live Now, Accept Now, Respond to Now absolutely), then go from there, maybe Enlightenment is more a possibility now for you, or its just a Happier, Healthier, more Intense and connected living Experience.. Some ppl in Spirituality have made it into a Religion for themselves, its more belief than anything, they have not used the methods or opened themselves up in a way that they are receptive to what is available to them via a non intellectual or belief sort of way, they think too much, put on shows of devotion and kindness too much but within themselves they are just a miserable as anyone else living a normal life..

Belief - Picked up information from sources other than Yourself (books, video's, news, papers, other ppl relating stories) related to some sort of ideology, religion, political group/system or situation happening somewhere.. Knowledge - something I know via having used/been there, in either in a physical way (think marital arts training, it first is a concept, then you train then use it), or mental way (I don't know math, I learn math, then I use math), or something I have learning via experience, like driving in Toronto, I know it is shit driving experience because I drive it everyday for years, I know what is it via my experience of it.. Direct Experience - usually associated with Spiritual Knowing and such, its a direct experience of Bliss, or Oneness/Completeness, indescribable, it can be described but the person/s listening will not relate to it unless they themselves have had a direct experience, think of a woman describing to a man what it is like to give birth, the man can relate to what she says, the pain of the labor, the pushing and such but he will never know the direct experience of having a baby and going thru the process of it, which is a different level of intensity of Experience..

I think a big challenge in Spirituality (which is the Science of Experiencing that dimension within You that is not physical in nature) is there are two core groups, those that are Absolutist, "There is only Consciousness, Brahman, Grand Intelligence, God, and that's it, everything else is imaginary, maya, illusion, non existent", now if you research Indian Eastern Spirituality, some say that everything that is impermanent is non existent, so our bodies, minds, buildings, material things, everything that will someday not be around is non existent, but is that really true? Well it may be in the long run, but right now my Body feels pretty real and not imaginary or non existent, lol, so the ppl in this camp are denying Creation in a way... Then the next group are those that Start from where they are at, they don't talk or think about God, Brahman, Maya, Cosnciousness and all this stuff, they just want to stop suffering and live a better life, so that starts with being Peaceful of Your own nature, naturally. Methods like Yoga are in this group, there is a method, technique, use it and this will help you stop the Stress Response and allow You to be more Peaceful in Experience, and well it works with the Energy systems and such, then once a stable base is there things will start to happen, life transforms... Both can work, as everyone has different Karmic makeups, some are new souls others old souls per say, so that is why we have so many ways to look at it and describe it and get to the ultimate Realization of Oneness and Completeness, Sat Chit Ananda-->Truth Consciousness Bliss...

All that is irrelevant to what I'm pointing to because there's nothing that's happening that shouldn't happen. You're still thinking there's a person inside this body that can feel bliss if they do so and so - no such thing because that will just be another passing phenomenon, of which we have no control over. My current life could be in a death trap right now and it wouldn't make a difference, to me it would, but that would be what is happening. Depression, anxiety, sadness, grief could also be there, but that still is what is happening. You're saying you cannot help making up stories but you're still rebutting my comment and bringing up more stories as to why I'm not in bliss and asking who am I talking to and blah blah. I make up stories too and I'm also deluded but the difference is, I won't go around disputing that and asking people why they're not in a blissful state or whose talking to whom or what's this forum. I used to, but not anymore. I'm not starting from the top down because there is no top down, only what is. Even if you think I'm playing mind games, doesn't matter because that's also what is. You cannot escape what is.

Yes ultimately Yes, but can You do it right now? If You can't we have to start from where we are, "I cannot stop making up stories, I believe there is an "I", I believe I am a Self".. Your starting from the Top Down method and Realization, its all Maya, nothing exist, I just Am, bla bla bla, but what is Your present experience of Life right now? If You were in realization of the Top Down way, You would for sure be in Bliss, are You right now or at anytime You want? If not then You have to start with where You are right now, otherwise Your just playing mind games! Say it all You want that this or that doesn't exist, no self, no mind, bla bla but how do You feel within Yourself right now, and if nothing exist, there is no I then who is responding, who is reading the posts, what is this forum?

Sadhguru basically explains it here, there is "Cosmic Will" the forces that allow physicality to exist, then there is Your Will, but he says to not live via the Will way, live via the Loving, Bliss way, to things because Your in Love with it, not because of Will necessarily, being Willing is helpful too though:)

Free Will is NOT about controlling all situations in Your life, that is not possible, it would mean there is a God of the bible of sorts and that he is in control, everything is his will and we are just robots.. Free Will in basic terms is how You experience Life, what is the quality of that Experience, and via that you have more access to what it means to be Human Being, you can live via the Human side which is more about Survival and accumulating ppl, places and things, or the Being side which is Spirituality in its essence, Beingness is Being here Now, where Life is totally, abiding in Bliss and Aliveness, Intense experience of the Reality that we are in, access to all possibility and potentials on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels that we have access to, you can live like a vicious animal or be a godly Saint that is the choice You have, that is Free Will, its not about physical actions and manipulations and control, that wouldn't work in a society and set up like it is here on this Earth! If You have all the control, what about Me?

So when these questions of Why, why am I here, why is there life, Am I deluded, What is this all about, it comes from a place of misery, or total unAwareness, no intensity of what Life is via experience, and the intellect which is always past/memory or future/imagination orientated takes over your Awareness and Experience, then misery or suffering is the basic nature of experience, because Life is only Now, and when that is missed misery is the only thing that can happen when all the distractions and drugs start to fail... Intense Bliss, via drugs or done naturally, will show You the intensity or miracle of Life, it happens Now, and that Now is basically Eternal, what we are doing now that we shouldn't be is focusing too much on what happened yesterday or what may happen tomorrow, completely Missing the Now! The Real question is, is this condition that most of Us are in, was it manufactured or is it just our basic nature, I think it was manufactured, the powers in this society/culture want us to not be Enlightened, not be present moment aware, but to be past/future aware and miserable, so they can profit and control the masses!