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What I don't know or understand is Sadhguru says if at the Moment of Death if You are in Emotional Pain, Suffering of sorts, that will be Your state on the other side, visa versa if Your In Bliss, but what is feeling that? From what I understand the Earth and Mental sheaths (mental is not about thoughts, ideologies and such, its the software of sorts, the intelligence that allows the body to function, like cells communicating with other cells and things of this intricate nature) don't go with You on the other side, the Energy /Etheric/Bliss sheaths do, karma is stored in the Energy Body I suppose? So what is feeling the suffering at the moment of death?? Ghosts are real too he says, it depends on what is happening at the moment of death and their karmic situation.

What Others? I thought this place was the House of Solipsism?? LoL Yes its wise not too make assumptions, other than when Your Enlightened, You've touched the Bliss Body, they call it this because when intouch with it You feel Blissful, and when Your closer to Truth/Reality suffering is not possible for You, these are pointers only... Pain is always possible, but Pain is not Suffering! Enlightenment is knowing Sat Chit Ananda Experientially, that is You know via Experience Truth Consciousness Bliss...

That's a Nice Sharing!! If all peoples of the world had this experience it would transform this world, that is the whole idea of Spiritual Path, to bring about this Experience for everyone, as everyone is equally capable of having it! I would call it the realization of Sat Chit Ananda, or Truth Consciousness Bliss, this is the Fundamental Reality, but us as Humans have to Seek it out, its there within each of Us, but we have a great Survival Aspect within us, it overrides this experience as You had above, if all ppl where in that sort of experience all the time, they would not care of Survival so the Tiger would eat You easily, so its suppressed for that purpose, but now with our ability to secure food and shelter, basic survival needs its the best time to regain this sort of Sat Chi Ananda experience and strive for it!

First there's too many Assumptions in Your Questions, who says God is eternally Loving and/or Indifferent, did You read this somewhere or someone told You this, how do you know this is Truth/Reality via that way of finding out? What is Love anyways? Love is Inclusion, I include You as Me! Indifference is I don't care, if one says this is Love then they don't know what Love is! The key to it all is that You still care and are completely involved with everyone and everything, but none of it affects Your Inner Experience, You don't suffer another's Suffering, if You do then Your a Slave to them and less unable to help them, if You can maintain a high level of Experience within (Peace, Joy, Bliss) then Your more Enabled to help those that are Suffering, its that simple!

Yeah, if one stops identifying with the body, then one does not know suddenly where one exists. Since barriers and borders where anchored in the body. And of course Bliss is natural when one is not constructed by the boundaries of the attachment of the body. ^^^ Thats why i have said so much times in this forum Bliss is a natural quality of Reality, is Only because of attachments identifications that this Bliss stops being itself, and becomes the object of limitation it has proyected itself towards.

Now its oscilating between ego> to the no mind >to the breaking of the barrier between inside and outside then bliss >then losing attachment to the body 😅

To my own mental delight and horror everything is absolutely both true and false, limits/destruction are what create "special" or specific infinity, we exist in the ocean between total infinity and nothingness and know everything(the moment) and nothing(the future and the past), almost sounded cool there. Integrating destruction into love, acknowledging absolute horror and accepting all hate as itself, the most supremely difficult and weirdest of tasks, but respecting the timing of each moment as bad is good and good is bad, becoming bigger to include more but also to be able to destroy more and becoming smaller to accept the creativity of the weirdest(the other and other things), to escape harm and to give space for others to be big. Wasting each other's time or immortalizing them, destroying each other's sadness and misery and uplifting them, being biased and creating problems, joining and betraying, playfully and sometimes never able to take it back. Hating each others quirks in the name of love and playfulness. Letting everyone hate the way they are, giving them the infinite space and time we(them) deserve without losing sight of absolute love. Optimistic, meaningful butchering of each other for basic sustainment and supreme bliss, edging on the voluntary on part of the victims but accepting it's part of defeat to be consumed as it is a game but never lowering the intensity of the desire for revenge against our captors and defilers. Working towards changing the fundamental rules of reality and succeeding but forgetting them the very next moment as if it never meant anything as your own rage was nothing else but the primordial suffering that will never be accepted, going completely beyond all for the real impossible and the true ultimate, turning the fake into real, having your cake and eating it too, being down to earth and sensible as supremely real as any cosmic joke and doing it all again even though time might no longer exist for that moment. Sorry hahahahahaha. I'm high from the Caffè latte.

I had the dinner and with dinner i had the beer which little bit "kills" your ego, but i had beer last whole week and nothing happend.Then i noticed i got shifted to the present after a glass of beer it "felt"(bliss comes from the "space")amazing then how my mind is complete silence it started to expand and body panicking because its losing sense to reality.now i dont want to look at nothing but a screen because the conciousness is like expanding and if you focus on one thing it does something odd i cant explain.. Really? Was it similar to this?

Let's not call them that. A breakdown is not a breakthrough. When you understand your nature, you grasp it as it is, revealing what is already true and has always been. What does acceptance have to do with this? And why would a kensho elicit fear and pain? In fact, it tends to elicit laugher and joy. This suggests that what he's experiencing might be something entirely different, like a state coupled with a fair amount of unnecessary mental activity that is leading to suffering. This is secondary to the (presumed) breakthrough and can be changed by becoming aware of what you are doing, and then by stopping that unwanted activity. Being ruthlessly honest with oneself helps. If there is no separation, why isn't love (or freedom and bliss) your experience? Why does it result in a negative outcome? If it is a direct experience, then I'd say you haven't gone far enough. Keep looking afresh at the matter, standing on the most immediate and present sense of yourself. Then, contemplate. The key is listening for a direct consciousness; the description is rather inconsequential. Speaking in "spiritual" and "enlightened" terms is not the same as knowing one's nature. There's a difference, which can be tricky to discern, but sometimes things have a certain scent.

I get a lot of bliss . Because i was getting a lot of bliss, I start to forget my problems and survival By bliss I mean deep intense emotional joy

@Ramanujan Right. So it wasn´t really Bliss. If you are really Blissful in a good way you don´t get impaired, you get enhanced. When I was doing oxys for over a year I would get even more motivated to work and do normal-human stuff, not less. You're probably calling Bliss to just pseudo peacefulness and calmness. Which is not.

Not at all, is like they injected you Methamphetamine all over your body but you dont have a Mind to experience the anxiety or the stimulation, you are just left with the pure Intensity. Actually thats a poor metaphor, lets call It a perfect Alone Bliss where nothing exists but your perfection.

@Ramanujan Shamavhi also makes bliss for me but is not easily maintained, it ends up fading. Why you stop doing the kriya if it makes you high bliss for a long time?

very high bliss for a long time u do kriya , u get bliss for a long time

@Keryo Koffa mmm, I would say that is still mind, is not space. Space is empty Bliss, Shiva! The destructor. 0. Mahasamadhi. End of manifestation. DMT Realms is still incarnation! Just a more fun wacky one that an encarnation of going flip burgers at McDonalds ...

@ChrisZoZo yeah i wonder...If time does not exist and is Always this Now moment.. Why we Keep posponing the Dissolution? The surrender? The Bliss? The final trascendence? Yes just 20 more years of running around please ... Why?? I dont see the point Death is at the end of the corner, why not go the mountains now and surrender whole illusion and welcome death, why not end this Circus now. I want the Etheric inmortal Bliss, i want to go beyond physicality and mortality. Beyond language and knowing, beyond reality and unreality.

To be honest every form of human bliss is overrated.

Totally man. I've found that it is healthy to balance it out. Your mind is right in that and even in some Indian traditions, your younger years are for worldly things and pursuing enlightenment while being "in the market". It is only when you are really older like 60-70 you can drop off completely. I want to merge God Realization with this human experience and enjoy it as much as possible. I basically live like that. I spend 8 hours per day meditating and contemplating but i still hang out with people, go to bars, cafes, parks, shoot youtube videos, etc to still be involved in the world. That bliss and depth will always be there for you. Enjoy manifestation while pursuing Enlightenment, it only gets more fun. Try to master the manifest world (women, career, health, discipline, study, life purpose) That said, I do think it's important to have time (for me it's usually 3 months) of pure contemplation, solitude, and cosnciousness work.

That one can Live Life Blissfully, that it is possible to create the experience You want within Yourself, via the Bliss Route one will be more empowered in all areas of their life, physically, intellectually, emotionally, mentally, and it takes the Ego out of the equation for the most part, as when one is in Bliss they see the miracle of Life all around them and within themselves, this Empowers them tremendously and anyone that comes into their lives as well! First BE-->DO-->HAVE, Being is first established and realized by Being Blissful of Your Own Nature!

When I go retreat to my village (they live 20 people there, and is in between a mountain range) I realize just looking at the beauty and rawness of this place, the fresh air, the pure water, the wild nature, I realize I want to live here all my life. I only want to Go deeper into the silence and bliss, until who knows what happens. Is like there is a vacuum of energy that pulls me there and wants me to stay because something profound awaits to be discovered. But then at one point my mind says, no, you have to achieve more in order to live here forever. Is not normal to be in your late 20s and go live on an almost unpopulated village. You have a lot to achieve before that. And so I go back. I succumb to the fear or the pressure. Not maybe from society but also from my mind. Does someone else feels the same?

Yes..There are two types of Karma, Prarabdha and Sanchita, Prarabdha is the whole warehouse of Karma built up for all the lifetimes per say, Sanchita is the allotted karma for this lifetime, if You burn thru the Sanchita this lifetime, you still have to deal with the rest of it, so another lifetime/rebirth will happen, and there is still the karma that is being created right now via all the actions taking place each day,,so its complex..That is why Bliss path is good, if Your naturally Blissful your "What about Me" is lessened or gone, then no more new karma is created.. With Mahasamahdi one burns it consciously thru Sadhana mostly, Sadhguru's wife did this, so that means in a way there is no more karma to deal with, no more Individual Identity at all, the drop in the ocean goes back into the Ocean...

Memory fading is actually a gift of sorts, but as with everything (Duality which is actually Oneness) its a dbl edged sword.. Again no one mentions Free Will, Choice, Determination, Response Ability, You have this, but very few exercise it because they are not Aware of it, they look outside themselves (Drugs, Sex, Psychedelics experiences, etc) for an Experience to give hope or distract from Suffering.. Only those that are Suffering are here I think, and post what You posted above, those in Bliss are not really posting here and do not post these sorts of posts, so its a reflection of that.. Anyways, if You remembered all Your Lives, then it would burden You too much, since this one life is already probably doing that (if not You then it has for many), so its Life's way of starting from Scratch in a way, you still have all the tendencies that remain from the previous ones, but You can start absolutely fresh, and be a Fresh Life, that is our Choice and is available to All who Seek it!

Right. In Infinite Being/Infinite Consciousness/Infinite Reality appears or arises or manifests human consciousness. Human consciousness has certain arising elements (certain I-feelings/I-thoughts/human cognition/body/world/....). Same for any other perspective (ant, Alien,n+1). The Infinite Reality has no/zero arisings. It is. Reality itself. And its not human. Nor alien. Nor anything at all. Because of that, it can give rise to anything (ant, orang utan, human, alien, alien n+1). That becomes obvious once the separte-self is emptied out, cut off and transcended completely and only the Infinite Vastness or Ocean of Infinite Awareness/ Infinite Being remains. Because THAT can't go anywhere else. If there is too much "human" (or human-consciousness) in the Realization of Infinite Being, maybe there is... too much human still left? That realization is the END of the human one thought one was and believed in. Exactly. And why is there quite often the talk about human consciousness or alien consciousness? Because the differentiation between the Infinite Reality/Infnite Consciousness that is always "there" and the arising perspective and its separte-being is not fully clear, because it is not fully transcended/emptied out. Not enough time on psychedelic highs to do that... Trying to get to nondual awakened states with meditation means automatically to cut off any separate-self building block (thoughts, I-thoughts, I-feeling), so its automatically trained in order to get near any awakened nondual state. Psychedelics give these nondual unity states for free, no incentive to cut off the separate-self/ego which projects itself on the new state/nondualunity/alien/whatever. And that remaining human-separation arisings (or alien-separation-arisings for that matter) kills the awakened state in daily sobre life and its inherent non-contraction/non-suffering/bliss, and disfigures any "realization" of impersonal Infinite Being by projecting the remnants of the separate-self on it. Hence, belittled mere "human" Enlightenment. Can't imagine anything else... And then add some limiting beliefs like "one needs hardcore long meditation-retreats to get anywhere" (which yours truly never really did, but collected the 1000s of hours mostly in daily life), and "genetics", and some complaints about gaslighting about ones awakenings (which is the funniest part (sorry) of it all, because how can one gaslight the self-evident-absolutely-clear-and-self-explanatory-undoubtable-and-always-available-once-reached Absolute. And what could get gaslightened? The remnants of the separate-ego, which should get transcended and smoked anyway...) et voila we have large parts of actualized.org. But to be honest, all comments/criticism aside: Without these little confusions on the way back home, no game/Lila could be possible. So its all fine. . I truly appreciate all "players" and especially our dear host. Consciousness/Reality wants this wonderful show. Else It wouldn't appear exactly as it does, in all beings/perspectives/Holons. In the end, ignorance/separation and hide-and-seek is fun. And ignorance/separation is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance. Infinite Consciousness/Reality likes it and obviously wants it! Else it wouldn't appear. Because who or what controls what appears? In Reality, nothing truly ever happens, just a game of moving forms and illusions in the eternal "That" which has no moving parts nor outside, and hence can not be harmed in any way. What is "That" again? Selling Gods lovely high-end hide and seek game by the River

Proper Yoga is not about seeking Bliss either, Bliss is just the foundation, as Yoga is about breaking barriers as well, so that one can perceive Reality in its Truth, but thru the path of Bliss it is much easier and safer, than drugs or any other method for the person using it! A huge problem around here I see is that ppl are denying the basic Human Qualities of Peace, Happiness, Bliss and such as not so important, but its just the basis of Your everyday Life, if You negate that, ignore it, then Life will bite You hard, there's way to much abstract talk and thinking about things that are way beyond one's actual situation and experience of Life, hence talking about Death, Absolute, Imaginary Life, God and such are useless conversations in reality, its get one in a circle jerk of nothing!

Maybe you don't understand what is sought with drug use. There are people who seek the dissolution of barriers very seriously, they perceive it as what they have to do in this life. So, practicing meditation for several hours each day, you perceive insurmountable barriers, energetic walls of your structure, and you perceive that there are substances that weaken them, so you use them and that's it. It is not about seeking bliss or well-being, it is about seeking the breaking down of barriers, a step that is perceived as absolutely necessary, the same as other people have perceived art, war, or anything else as necessary. It is a push of life, not a personal choice