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Hmmm ? I thought ignorance was bliss.

Of course you can kill yourself and become God whenever you want, no one is stopping it from you (except for people stuck in the dual and who think it is wrong) But still it is not the full answer. Duality is a a gift. It is not as boring as the nondual. That is why God decieved himself and contracted his consciousness into a person, human, or animal so he could escape himself from himself and experience the great beauty and value of a human life, the love, sorrow, hatred, jealousy, strife, suffering, bliss, gratitude of having lived as a human and having loved your loved ones, your spouse, your parents, your mother, although they are not real, but still a momentary escape to that special connection is what God wants. If you experience the non-dual while being in the dual, you can have the best of both worlds, you can have a synergestic effect. Full blown nothingness is a great thing, but living in the junction of the dual and non-dual isn't a bad experience either. And if you kill yourself again not having realized yourself, then chances are you will again decieve yourself and be reborn again into something which you intruth are actually not, and you will be running around in this duality for god knows how long untill slowly you start to question who you really are. The only reason the nondual is sought, is to take a break from the suffering of duality which might be (percieved as) unbearable. It's like in a dream a tiger is about to kill you, and awakening is like "Chill out, this is just a dream". However if you are enjoying this dream (which is the purpose of self deception, suffering is the side effect), then non-dual is useless. If in the dual you feel great because you feel like you are the most smartest, handsomest, talented etc person in the world, then nonduality destroys this dream and you are back to non duality and you go "Wow, I wish this was real. It was such a beautiful dream" Also do you see the connections between, suffering, seeking the nondual and suicide? Why do people commit suicide? To end their suffering. Why do people want a escape to the nondual? To end their suffering. Seeking nondual turns you into a God and ends suffering. Suicide turns you into a God and ends suffering. Non-dual = Suicide (of the dual) Suffering is the side effect of the pleasure of the dual. Arthur Schopenhauer used to say that humans are capable of great suffering because they are capable of great pleasure. While animals or lesser forms (which Schopenhauer calls the brutes, who live only moment to moment, suffer moment to moment and have pleasure moment to moment, contrast to that of human) can have neither or lesser of the 2, their experience is not as intense as that of the human.

Awakening can be thought of as removing ignorance. Ignorance stems from finitude (being bound by something greater), and this finitude is two-fold: First phase is about removal of mistaken beliefs about reality that cloud your perception of truth. These beliefs are created because you are bound by the ego and can't look past your identification. You only care about 'yourself' and your mind is severely limited in what it is able to consider. This 'psychological clensing' ultimately leads to the second phase - ego death. The second phase is about removal, or seeing past, the ego and finding new ways of relating with the world as you. This is when non-duality starts and is what I found to be generally referred to as 'enlightenment'. The third phase deals with the deeper limitation that stems from your 1st ignorance (egoic perception). By perceiving yourself egoically, you have contaminated your body in various ways that predispose you to certain behaviors. The process of dealing with this limitation, ignorance, is cleansing. I would imagine, this cleansing ultimately leads to physical death, probably through mahasamadhi. The reason to not kill body is dependent on the stage you're currently in. If you're still bound by the ego, then you are so ignorant that you have no idea what you're doing. Literally. As you remove your mistaken beliefs and are able to see past your ego - the life gradually improves until it literally becomes pure bliss. At that point, there is no reason whatsoever to kill yourself because this place is heaven already and you're going to see what physical death is like anyways. Not going through all of that and killing yourself outright is done out of ignorance. Killing yourself through cleansing is not something that is done out of fear, hate, suffering and so forth. It is a natural process that is lead by your desire to feel better. Obviously, I'm not physically dead, so it's a speculation on my part. It is however an extrapolation heavily grounded in experience.

I think that color representation chart is bullshit and has little to do with reality. It might be representative as a concept of a life cycle, i.e. after "green", instead of going to live in a turquoise eternal bliss, the society is taken over by red/blue barbarians, as it happened in Rome and is now happening the western Europe.

Generally, humans desire to let go of unpleasant thoughts and feelings. We want to avoid pain and we like pleasure. I've never heard of someone trying to "let go" of bliss during amazing sex. Or someone trying to let go of their curiosity, fascination and joy. The desire is to let go of things we find unpleasant. Bad habits, OCD, resentments, bad memories, anger, insecurity, fear etc. It's easy to let go of someone sneezing because it is inconsequential. Yet if a stranger walked up to you on a bus and sneezed in your face, that would be a lot harder to let go of. I'd say the most relevant aspect of letting go for humans involves attachment and identification. If there is a thought or feeling without any attachment/identification, it's no big deal. There is no desire to let go of it. A thought might arise "I'm so annoyed she hasn't texted me back yet. After all I do for her, this is how she treats me. . .". There is a ton of attachment/identification there. It's not so much getting rid of the thought - it's getting rid of the attachment/identification. If the thought occurred without attachment/identification it's no problem. There is nothing to let go of, because there is nothing being held onto. The thoughts become like bird chirps. We don't wonder how to let go of bird chirps, because we are not attached/identified with bird chirps. Bird chirps can be happening and all is well, no need to let go of anything.

The vibration is normal, we are all results of energy vibrating at a particular frequency, nothing is really physical/solid. It does feel great but wait till you go even deeper, when the vibration stops and you enter true silence, true stillness. This is absolute bliss!

I was a Christian all my life but always managed to avoid the worst of the dogma that usually comes with it. I started listening to Eckhart Tolle, Leo and some other teachers about 5 years ago and made great progress in mastering my emotions and opening my mind to spirituality, but this winter things starting falling apart and everything I did to keep depression and desire at bay stopped working. Before that I started getting sensitive to energy from places and had started having mild mystical experiences but didn't notice them for what they were. I read a book by clairvoyant doctor who grew up in my town and was fascinated by how similar our lives were in ways. At the same time a friend who I had had a huge falling out with and I started really reconnecting. She asked me to read a marriage book that I thought was disgustingly conservative and anti-feminist but fancying myself "stage yellow" I decided to read it as a favor so I could help her. The book turned out to be the law of attraction as applied to marriage in disguise. I somehow immediately connected it as law of attraction and saw how much I needed those principals in my life in general. I started honoring my desires again and realized that I wanted to move away from the rural area I live in. I started doing everything in my power to make it happen and then started doubting and searched on youtube out of desperation for something like "should I move?" Abraham Hicks popped up. I don't even remember what she had to say about the subject but immediately I was hooked. My Grandmother died and I applied her teachings to dealing with her death. Mystical experiences continued, I tapped into her consciousness the night she died, and starting noticing and believing in my mystical experiences. I decided that I really wanted to teach spirituality so I changed my youtube channel from financial topics to spiritual ones and starting coming here. I started doing Wim Hof breathing to help put me in a realized state to film. I found the old foundation in the woods where the clairvoyant doctor had lived and started getting insights there. @tsuki and I had some interesting conversations here and I started a journal and then I started channeling, and channeling memories and doing shadow work and he led me through to having a no self experience in the journal. It was grueling in a way but also with bliss states for days, I hardly slept or ate for a couple of weeks, my dreams stopped and turned into LOUD unavoidable channeling of insights or memories. This simplifies the whole thing and glosses over a lot of things and people that really helped. Tied into it was my discovering the history of the clairvoyant doctor and uncovering different parts of his history along the way. One common theme was inexplicable magnetic attraction to people or places, and I realize that I was doing a lot of groundwork beforehand, or during my entire life to become sensitive to it. I'm awake but not all the way integrated, I still have useless energy sucking thought patterns playing out, I'm still unconscious of a lot. That was in April and I'm just now getting back to work and life and able to going deep states of presence again.

I don't think that the color-representation scheme is accurate of reality. Probably the model presented by John Glubb in his book "The Fate of Empires" might be more accurate. Stage 1 - the age of outburst - brave men with guns show up. Stage 2 - the age of conquest - they conquer and take control over certain territory. Stage 3 - the age of commerce - they start producing goods and trading with each other. Stage 4 - the age of affluence - their descendants become rich, they start building monuments, museums, etc. Stage 5 - the age of intellect - manly virtues are replaced with more of an intellectual achievements. Stage 6 - the age of decadence - previous generations have accumulated so much wealth, that the next generation does not feel the necessity to strive forwards. It feels lots, nihilistic, decadent and destructive. Stage 7 - the age of decline and collapse - once the impotent generation takes over, it is unable to maintain the level of affluence achieved before and the empire either collapsed on itself or it taken over by another society, which is at the age of conquest. Take Sweden for example, at one point their vikings were looting neighboring countries, but now they have become so impotent, that a more aggressive civilization is taking over and they cannot even resist. So once a country reaches level Yellow, according to Leo's classification - it does not go to turquoise and live in an eternal bliss, rather is just dies and it taken over by people, who are at stage red.

Had the first realization In 2013. While I was reading a self-help/psychology book. I searched for a answer to my suffering, I read a statement in the book and got very excited. I said to myself "that's it, I found the answer" and just gave upp searching. And that was it, my thoughts about needing to do something in the future "disappeared" from view. I sort of ascended higher than the thoughts or that I took a step backwards in the mind, don't know how to describe it. But I became very ineffable as my normal state as I should be, no thoughts, I felt my mind working at a minimum, finally at peace, gratefulness was me and I was it. I was in this state for 20-30 hours. I had the most peaceful sleep I ever had that day. Best part was at home when I saw a plastic bottle, I said to it "you are mine" and tried to get the feeling of it. I felt like i almost exploded for a moment with what I can call ethereal bliss, there was no separation with me and the bottle. I had a time to my cognitive behaviour therapist next day. I told her everything I felt and saw in that state, she was amuzed but didn't understand, haha. Looking back I can only see at myself through my therapists viewpoint as there was no me, me was gone from body and I was everywhere. Then i bicycled in town, remember seeing light coming out of buildings, happy people had energetic aura around them, felt my minds tiny reactions when I preformed an action within the stillness of my mind. Then I came home and I fell back in the mud. Thoughts came back and bad feelings too. I descended. After that it was easier to live, as i had the experience in my background. It opened like a "portal" in my mind into the transcendental and I started to climb toward it and began my spiritual path. My path was sort of accidental and I do not have any practice to share how I got there. I was a basic stage orange person searching my relief of suffering in psychology/psychiatry/self-help and was ignorant of any spiritual teachings. So, thank you for the opportunity to write this down.

I just got into a state of pure pleasure. It was pure pleasure. Words cannot discribe. Hahaha I was saying it’s all perfect. I know I never meant perfect that way before. When something is perfect it’s perfect. I can’t describe the pleasure I felt. I started crying, then my mom walked in. Hahaha I tried to pretend I wasn’t crying but when I wiped my tears I knew she knew. Omg I love these experiences. I honestly get into these states very easily. I used to get into these blissful and other types of states often and have these great insights about myself and how I function (ex: the power of my thoughts. Beliefs. I spent a good time understanding beliefs and the beliefs I held unconsciously) This one didn’t give me any great insights or any special understandings about reality or anything like that but it did help me. It gave me the motivation to once again be dedicated to this path. Man, imagine your greatest pleasure then times it by 10. Lol some of you guys have probably have much greater pleasure and have had greater experiences then I have, and I’m so happy for you all! I am so content with everything. I wrote a lot of personal stuff on my personal journal while it was going on. I’m remembering a lot about the different types of states I have been in. Some of them pure bliss other a sense of contentment and fillfillment. So, there was a time when I used to fill pure love for everything around me and even inanimate objects. I believe Jesus called it “Agape.” Anyway, I was trying to say that at that time I couldn’t deal with this and my regular life. I stoped meditation and other spiritual practices for a time and lost my awareness that I built up. I’m starting up again and I hope to finish it this time. Even when things get rough and I feel all extreams of different emotions I’ll work through it. <—- a promise to myself. (Oh poor me, T-T I know it will get tough later down the road) I guess I want to add one thing. If any of you have any advice for what to do when I’m in these states to make the most out of them then all advice is welcome. I usually just become super mindful of everything and get insights that way, but I was thinking if there was something I could do to get better understandings. Just curious. Also, this was a little long, heh. If you read all that then you are loved

@Alex bliss You give it meaning.

@Alex bliss No one but you could become enlightened.

@tsuki I don't think I really considered the differences between emotional mastery and enlightenment because until recently I had no idea what enlightenment was. It kinda felt like being a little kid happy with her ice cream cone until someone bigger walked by and slapped it out of my hand. At the same time I fully saw how unfounded my fear was, but that the bliss of that is a more of a memory now. I still don't understand the many "facets" of this and how they fit in, self realization, emotional mastery, love. Thanks for the recommendation, I've been wishing for a really good novel to read, and had no idea anything like that existed. Definitely an Easter egg. ?

@Alex bliss I had a similar question a while back. Maybe, you may find the answers to be interesting: I feel questions related to dream vs real are common on this forum.

Five years ago, I did some energy meditations and yoga which caused a significant amount of energy to move from the base of my spine into my skull, where it currently rests. Since then, there has been a constant pressure inside of my head 24/7 accompanied by a swirling energy vortex-like sensation. I’ve been examined by a neurologist and had multiple scans done on my brain, everything seems normal. Every now and then I get full body bliss that is deeply spiritual in nature. I feel like I may have developed one or two psychic siddhis throughout the course of the last few years. I was diagnosed Bipolar two years ago, but the more I look into the commonalities between Kundalini, psychosis, shamanism and spiritual awakening, I tend to get a bit confused as to what has happened to me. Could it be something other than Kundalini? Has anyone here had any similar experiences? Any information or knowledge is welcome.

This is a dream vs real duality that can cause a lot of distress. Imagine having a coin in which all you have ever seen in your life is the Tails side. You get a glimpse of the Heads side and now question whether the Tails side is actually Tails. Maybe Tails is actually Heads. This sounds like no big deal in terms of a coin, yet can be a very big deal at the human level. Because, Tails represents people we love and care about. What you aren't seeing is that Heads and Tails are both the same coin. @Alex bliss Our brains are wired to see in opposites. If it is true that wakefullness is the same as a dream, then the mind will want to believe the opposite is false. I.e. it is false that wakefullness is different than a dream. The mind wants to work in binary "either / or" orientations. That is, a dream is either the same as wakefullness or different than wakefullness. Expanding beyond this orientation can be quite challenging and many paradoxes will arise. You can realize a truth without rejecting the opposite as being false.It's not an either/or decision. Just set aside the opposite for a bit and see truth.

@Alex bliss Think twice before you get too deep into enlightenment as it would mean personal identity will never be the same again. Who is it that wants enlightenment? Does that indentity really exist? *trans·per·son·al- of, denoting, or dealing with states or areas of consciousness beyond the limits of personal identity.

@Alex bliss It's tricky. How comfortable are you with paradox? It's like a 'shift in perspective' more than 'finding out the answer'.. Take for example, the question of the chicken and the egg.. which came first?. Well, if you remain trapped in the perspective that one must have come before the other, you will dwell on this question forever without answer, but one day, if it occurs to you to consider it deeply, you may realize that they evolved together.. the answer is 'neither and both'.. and this shift in your perspective from 'one or the other' to 'both and neither' will simply remove your question about 'which one came first'.. the question ceases to make sense.

@Alex bliss the teachings here cover all the tools you need to awaken. You just have to go about it strategically and responsibly - and maturely. You're actually getting deeper teachings here than from a monk.

@Alex bliss can you decide to 'sincerely seek' any sooner than you will?

@Alex bliss like anything, it's a paradox.. a mind fuck. If I showed you a picture, with some hidden objects in the image.. consider how you would go about 'finding the hidden images'.. consider what that process is like.. The location of a hidden object would 'occur to you' precisely 'if and when' it does, and you can not 'find it' any sooner than you 'find it'. Of course, it helps if you are looking.. you may never notice them otherwise.

@Alex bliss Hmmm.. I think it would be similar to the difference to being asleep, and being awake.. when you are asleep, and dreaming, you do not realize you are dreaming.. when you are 'awake'.. you realize you are actually dreaming.

@Alex bliss many people often wonder what they will gain from enlightenment, but it's more about what you lose.. the neurotic questions, the fear, your anxieties..

@Alex bliss it does - it will transform your entire life - but you'll have to put the work in.

@Alex bliss you are consciousness, fundamentally. Consciousness is the substrate of reality. You are that. You are really itself. The you that you are currently identified with is being imagined by You as consciousness.