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@electroBeam It is because the material world is 'observed' by 'cosmic consciousness' in a universal macroscopic perspective so has collapsed into the manifest reality we observe from our individual microscopic perspective. Much of the consciousness work we are engaged in is merely altering our subjective experience perceptions of the manifest not actually altering the objective reality properties of the manifest. What most of the participants on this forum are doing is what 'spiritualists' and religious adherents typically do, declare their personal perspective built on the belief paradigm of their experiential perceptions as "truth" that supersedes the manifest reality. If they are really as enlightened and awakened as they proclaim to be there would be an awareness that the physical and spiritual manifest realities coexist with each other not conflict with each other. In order to have an absolute faith in their subjective spiritual personal belief paradigms that allows them to transcend the conditioning of the mind they think they need to disbelieve the objective physical manifest reality. This is based on the accurate premise that to transcend the emotional mind-body we do disbelieve the conditioning the self reflexively creates and believe a different paradigm oriented in an awakened and 'free' state. Although, the fictional 'spiritual story' belief paradigm that has been built upon an actual mechanism of consciousness liberation has turned into a culty corruption filled with dogmatic ideology posturing as the 'absolute truth'.

Talking from a highly crystallized but non-metaphysical, non-gurean, pro-materialistic perspective, all that my non-awakened mind can call for is to make to a clear distinction between belief and knowledge, which is the core concern of epistemology. You are a homo sapien. It is because the DNA in your cell is same as other homo sapiens. This is knowledge. You are a hindus, muslim, an alpha, a beta, a descendent of caesar, napoleon, a success , a faliure , these things can be categorized as beliefs. I think a fact is static, it can be replayed again and again. It is when your mind and mind of god are in sync. A belief is a fussy fact that our particular position and chance has happened to by the infinity grace of the divine light, impinged into the mirror of our juvenile mind when we were once children.

This is something that I keep on pondering about. Many renowned spiritual teachers and gurus emphasize the importance of having a living spiritual teacher to guide you. Many even say that without gurus guidance, you can't make it. On the other hand there's a lot of talk about the inner guru, the intuition or the silent guiding voice inside us all. I'd say I understand the guru-argument very well considering times before the internet and readily available spiritual books and other materials. If you lived in a small village and had an urge to do spiritual seeking but absolutely no idea of what it even means - In that case a teacher is absolutely needed to point one in the right direction. Also the many spiritual traps might be difficult to avoid without outside guidance. Such as developing a spiritual ego etc. Anyway, today we have the luxury of Youtube and other internet sites that have huge amounts of information, talks and guidance for spiritual seekers. Of course you need to have some discernment on that too, but generally the good teachers are known in spiritual circles. Now I'm wondering if all the material online and on books can be of any substitute for a teacher/guru. Certainly you need to have a high sense of honesty about your own progress, an ability to see that you're not being phony-holy or deceiving yourself on how far you've gotten. In my case, I have almost always found a direct answer to any question I might have had from some of the teachers who have videos on Youtube (Adyashanti, Rubert Spira, Francis Lucille, Sadhguru etc). Then there's the question of "energetic transmission" and the presence of an awakened being. Do you feel that's something that is absolutely essential and can't be experienced in any other way than to be physically close to the awakened person? The reason I'm asking your thoughts about this is because I live in a place where I have no access or information of any valid spiritual teachers. It's somewhat disheartening sometimes to read statements of "not being able to make progress without the grace of a living guru".

I just discovered Shakti Caterina Maggi, (who I am certain has awakened and hasn't fallen back asleep) and found the exact message about relationships that I have been looking for, consciously and unconsciously, forever. I wanted to share it with anyone who is interested.

Jesus uses a lot of nondual pointers in his teachings. And of course the more well-known teachings about love and compassion. To me Jesus seems like somebody who next to living as Self also embodied an open heart (unconditional love) and fearlesness. My guess is that his mind, heart and gut where all totally awakened.

It is good to see that you are having this sudden insights and I am well acquainted with that great feeling one has after getting such insights. But the insight you had about how awareness/ enlightenment frees you from the cycle of karma, from maya( great lack of awareness which makes people to react and gets them locked in the cycle of life and death) is a well known idea found in hindus and buddhist traditions. May be this time you got a deeper feeling for this concept , or arrived at it from a completely intuitive level. But I have issues with this idea of karma. As I look at the overwhelming amount of evidence for so many good people suffering and bad people thriving , and finding almost no evidence for the opposite to be true except in cases which have the same consistency as mere chance , I begin to doubt this idea. The idea of karma is beautiful, but when one is constantly aware of the overwhelming amount of suffering present in this world which follows no rules of morality, but follows only the rules of statistics, chance and organic evolution, it's very hard to buy into this idea. The living world is surely dictated by laws, by a logos, but I it has very little to do with morality, and more to do with survival. So I think that even the awakened being is susceptible to ,karma the cycle of cause and events . But because he is now aware of course there is something different going on. But you said- And as you slowly become concious LITERALLY the laws of your reality changes.... I think the physical world will remain the same. I don't think that now for some reason good things will start to happen to him. I think that the meaning of being free from karma , means being free from all the habitual conditionings of the mind ,being free of the deep unawareness that people go through which puts them in a bondage and makes them act in a reactive instinctual away and when this unawareness is collectively taken ,the people work within a chain of cause and effect ,which is the bondage of karma. I think being free of karma means being free of this deep habitual bondage that we go through in our daily lives. Another way to look at it- To be within karma is like being a dog. You are completely unaware that you are a dog, and you live and act as a dog, and you suffer a lot because of this, and you follow the rules of a dog. When you become a aware, you start to see what is going on. Now you are outside the paradigm that other fellow dog friends are locked in. That is what being outside of karma means.

@Ether Haha who me awakened? No, I improvised on this scene from the movie Dune. He may have taken a break from "consciousness work" after this.

The seeker has awakened.

@tsukiHey bro. I wish i could surround myself with wise and awakened people.I am alone on my path and very lonely sometimes. I'm not actually trying to run away from my past, i just need more peace to reprogram my subconscious mind.There's alot of shit inside which I recently started to truly being aware of.And oh man, how the fuck could i live like that?Realizing that i was such i machine for my whole life was very scary in the beggining.Reversing such a thing, the ego practically, will take me many many years. I also feel sick and fucked up but I'm working on it.I changed all my habits, and I'm working on my addictions as much as i can.huge difference.The people...oh man, i just see nothing but sleepiness and sickness. The thing with me is, i have multiple personalities since i started working with my ego.Consciousness fluctuating, mood and behaviour changes all the time.Circumstances also are important.Can you believe that right now I am motivated to stay here in this rathole and go along with the illusion and the dreams?Strange things are happening.

No I mean enlightened/awakened, and even then, you might still not love (there is different type of awakening). But how does the "feel sorry" for them feels ? Is it a superiority complex or a compassion thing ? Might want to summon some guys like Nahm, Shanmugam here etc... I don't really know what I'm talking about if I'm really honest here

@vanish Hang on a minute. To awaken presuposes that you're asleep - a.k.a. having a dream. But unless you've awakened before, how would you know you're asleep and that it is actually possible to awaken? How can you trust anyone else's word for it - they're just dream characters? And anyway, where's the 100% certainty that you will awaken INTO something else? And to be honest how do you know this is the same dream every day? Maybe you're awakening all the time? Just chewing the fat...

@ppfeiff Eckhart Tolle: Thats why people have been studying zen for so many years and havent awakened! Laws are just somebody's opinions.

I'm done. It's been 3 days since it happened, or to be more precise - nothing happened. I feel like a newborn. Everything looks the same, but has a different quality, it's perceived from a different place. I had all the wrong ideas about enlightenment. I idealized it too much, I thought it'd be like all the mystical states I've had, but that's not true. It's just true perception, that's all. Nothing can be gained from it or lost from it. It also doesn't change anything, since it's always been that way, but it changes everything because one's life is finally put into proper perspective. At first I couldn't believe it was happening, but it was so obviously true. Where did all my suffering go? Where did all my fears go? Where did my identity go? Where did the spiritual seeker go? Anger, boredom, loneliness? Turns out that ALL of it were fictions of the mind, never had any reality in the first place. Yesterday I read some entries from my journal and it all seems like a distant memory, even though I was suffering so badly just a week ago. All I can see now are delusions on top of delusions, all imaginary, all self inflicted. Ego loves to suffer, loves to struggle, loves to be in conflict, it's what keeps it alive . Ego is created and maintained through huge, constant effort. That's what blew my mind. The awakened state isn't extraordinary, the egoic paradigm is. That delusion is a piece of art, a masterpiece! The distinction between life and death is gone, I saw I just made it up. The distinction between external and interal is gone. It was a belief I adopted. The distinction between me and other is gone, ofcourse being a fantasy. This awakening build over the years. This tension build over years just to be destroyed. It couldn't be any other way for me. The best thing that could happen to a self is no self. Nothing can get to that which I am. I am completely untouchable, unborn, undying, Mu, Brahman, Kim Jong Un etc. This 'life' is so complete and so perfect beyond imagination. Any idea of a lack is a fantasy. I'm still getting used to this new way of being. And yeah, I feel peaceful all the time, gurus were right about that. There is clearity and a simple, effortless flow. As a side effect there is also a calling for serving others, wanting to love and help them without an agenda. Even though this awakening was so complete and perfect,I know there's deeper to go. In many ways I'm done, but I'm also just beginning. SDS effects are over and post awakening Sadhana begins.

@Shin @Emne tbh i dont care for sex that much, i wouldnt mind dying a "virgin". as long as i live awakened, idc

But your brain has control over your body. And you are your brain too. So at the same time you have control. But there is no chooser or controller. It's much complicated than just saying you don't have control or not. It could not be understood intellectually until you get fully awakened. You will know that it will be impossible to articulate your experience. Saying - you don't have control is confusing lots of people who are still sleeping... I suggest you not to mention it like that.

Life is a like a dance. You foxtrot with some and salsa with others. And eventually you realise every step is a joy. But it doesn't come easy. EDIT Obviously, that's the soundbite answer. I'm I awakened? Probably not. But one realisation that I've applied is that neither the past nor the future can touch or hurt me (they're illusory). There's a great freedom in this if you can fully embrace it. It involves great a mental practice of 'letting go' and 'letting things be'. If you can just not grip on to things so tightly, life becomes a great deal easier and less painful.

Bridging Materialistic Zorba with Awakened Buddha - Funny and Wise Video where Osho admits he was a Conman

@Faceless btw, have u awakened? or still seeking»

@Ether Buddha isn’t a name, it’s an adjective. It means “The Awakened One”.

1. When you look at an object, then close your eyes, do you have a sense that the object is still there? Yes and No, it depends on what you focus. 2. When you look at an object, where do you feel yourself to be in relation to it? Is there a sense of there being a 'center' to your experience, or is 'everything' the center? You have the sense of you being the center at the same time everything else, depends on what you are focusing on. 3. Do you believe your awakened state could be altered if a disease of the mind were to occur (dementia, brain-damage etc.)? Enlightenment is the escape of disease. Only in case of a physical accident one can be shaken from natural flow. 4. Do you still suffer, and what is the nature of that suffering? Suffering becomes a growth, and is no more suffering because you know THE WHY you feel what you feel. 5. What is love? Love is natural flow, unity. Love does not exist. It is the society concept. In another sense, only the enlightened one can know true love.

Want a straight answer from me? I can respond to anything, just hit me The awakened one will be able to experience anything, literally, just by meditating. Why? Exemple: you can travel in the body of anyone and feel their feelings, or in any animal, plant or object. The justice warrior on the enlightenment path will have a humble face and actions hahaha... Namaste, mfks!

Yes is bad, but not as bad as you will not be able to decalcifie it. Why i say this? Because i awakened on tap water for the non believers i say this. It is like meat, really. Is optimal to eat vegetables? YES Is optimal to quit fluoride? YES Fluoride or Meat will cause drawbacks on your spiritual path? NO Even if you had a clean diet all your life, you will open your mind only by quitting the mind. It is only when you reach a certain intensity on the whole body/mind the pineal will crack to full capacity even calcified (the gate to the pineal is in hell, just for the record :P). REMEMBER that our bodies are the most intelligent mechanisms. Namaste, mfks!

I recommend Marijuana only to the Awakened one. Namaste, mfks!

Well, the body naturally creates the sense of self identity although we can expand our awareness to be conscious of the unity in all things. Since mind subconsciously creates the sense of self identity the effects of this is evident in creating paradigms of separation but if someone is authentically awakened to unity it will differ drastically... at least in my own experience of it.

There is one thing which you are not getting it, which I am going to repeat to you for the third time now: Getting liberated is one thing; guiding another person to liberation is another thing. If you want to guide others to liberation, you should not only be liberated and free in the first place, but you should also know how to communicate certain things, starting from a person who is a beginner on the path (whose conditioning is very deep) to someone who has progressed quite well. How many people will understand what you just said? How helpful will it be to a seeker who has already learned a lot of concepts about enlightenment? I already mentioned that speaking about absolute and relative is a teaching device! I already addressed this in my thread regarding neo-Advaita trap! Enlightenment itself is a lie! When I tell a person that he is not enlightened, I know that I am lying to him.. Because, saying 'you are already enlightened' to an absolute beginner will do nothing to him! Saying 'you don't have to do anything for enlightenment' will make no difference to him! How do you talk to a 3-year-old kid? If she doesn't eat food, you may first try telling him 'You will not grow up if you don't eat properly'. But she wouldn't listen. Then you may try telling her 'If you don't eat then I will ask Santa Claus to not give you any presents for Christmas' or something like that. Have you heard of the expression 'removing a thorn using another thorn'? A teaching is not the truth but a device! I had a Satori in 2002. If you had told me that enlightenment is like a process which happens with various awakening experiences, I would have agreed with you by that time.. Because, I indeed had a lot of such glimpses which allowed me to feel like I was getting 'more awakened' than before ...But I cannot agree with you now because what happened in July 2014 pretty much ended it. There is no more getting closer to anything because I am everything... Your problem might be this: Since you already said that this is not your experience, (which I myself would have said before July 2014), you have a problem in accepting what we say. Because, you also want to consider yourself as 'enlightened'... That's why you keep asking people 'If my experience is different than what you say, will you consider as enlightenment'... Why do you even care? Why do you expect such a validation? Because you want to put a label called 'enlightenment' on your experience of reality. You may say that this is a projection. But you are pretty much proving this is true, everytime you post a message on this forum. Of course, it is a belief, in the same way, saying that a tree exists is also a belief (according to how you are defining belief here)... Because I can doubt the existence of a tree but I can never doubt the existence of the consciousness which is aware of the tree.. In this sense, what I say about you is a belief too. But just like there is a consensus among people that the tree actually exists, there is also a consensus to what I am saying among people who are really liberated. When we interact with other people, we only communicate based on this consensus. I did not have any need to say that I am no longer living in duality until I decided to write about it on my blog. So, I was pretty much silent about it for about 2 years... Only after seeing that a lot of people are totally confused, I thought that putting everything down in writing can help them. And I know that it is helping them because they say that. Just day before yesterday, one guy who is in my friend list on Facebook was talking about the suffering he is going through. I offered him an assurance that suffering is not going to be permanent. He seemed to be really unhappy and finding his whole life meaningless. If I copy and paste what you have written above, it will not make any difference to him at all! They are just empty words... Note: Try to understand what I have written by paying full attention, not selective attention.. Do you know what that means?.. It is what you are doing. You only seem to scan for certain statements that you can possibly disagree with by semantics and selectively quote that statement alone... Once you pull out a statement from a passage, usually it loses its context.