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There is no word equivalent to 'divorce' in Hindu culture, till death they live together, but love is not there. Those who don't suicide, do not live either. 'Everlasting love' is fantasy of teenagers.

Some immature persons dream about finding everlasting love, when they get married, they face harsh realities of life, their dreams are shattered. Both the partners start nagging and quarreling with each other, but they live together whole life, as divorce is still not so common in India. In few cases one partner , in rare cases both partners suicide.

My spiritual take on suicide squad - Heathens : All my friends have egos take it slow, Wait for them to ask you what you know Please dont say any sudden truths You might just leave them utterly confused.. ALL MY FRIENDS HAVE EGOS TAKE IT SLOOOOOOOW!!!!!! etc etc This is what im gonna sing upon Enlightenment

Hi all At the end of 2016 I dropped out of University because I realised that my entire life and all of my motivation was derived from highly egotistic influence, I decided that I didn't want to pursue education at the expense of the government, borrowing thousands upon thousands in student loans and sacrificing my happiness and my time for 'success' in a field that if I truly desired (which I do not), I know could forge without such a cost. I realised that I was trapping myself into debt for the rest of my life and following a career path for no reason other than materialistic gain, self-satisfaction and so that I could party and take drugs like a typical student. This being the second time I have dropped out of a higher education course, I decided that I needed to do some serious self-investigation and understand what the fuck is wrong with me and why I couldn't just pursue a career for positive advancement. With the help of Leo's videos, other gurus and a lot of self-honesty, I realised that all I really cared about was being happy and at peace and all the hurdles I had been jumping were largely influenced by peer pressure, the 'conspiracy' of self-obsessed society and feeling like I needed to have some fancy career to feel good about my existence. I have been meditating for an hour every day since and researching psychology religiously, trying to unravel my neurosis and discover my purpose in life, to no avail. I feel very trapped by circumstance more and more every day. I have a job which I enjoy more than any I've had before, but I'm in a lot of debt from signing contracts for accommodation that I can't pay without student loans, so any money I make is going to be taken away from me immediately. I don't even want money, and I never really have, I just want to live in peace and close to nature somewhere, every day I try to get as much work done as I can but without life purpose I have serious trouble finding motivation to preserve my place in a society I do not want to be part of. I feel like I am trapped in a game I cannot win and thoughts of suicide are becoming an overwhelming daily battle that I am slowly losing. I have periods of what I might call 'enlightened' states where my mind is completely tranquil and I can deflect negative thoughts like they are nothing, but no matter how hard I try I can't seem to sustain this and remain happy with anything that I am. I keep looking into sustainable communities where I may be able to go and live to be away from this nightmare, but I know that true understanding of the self is that happiness is available regardless of circumstance. Now my self-inquiry seems to have taken a turn to self-abuse, my psychological analysis is choking me and bullying me because I cannot control my emotions or remain at peace whilst doing the things I need to do. My mind constantly screams that every second is being wasted, that life is not meant to be lived in this twisted system of competitive exploitation and contained conformity. I struggle to understand anything, when the most real and in-depth truths about life that I have discovered make me hate my every action and everything that I am surrounded by. I feel like a failure and a joke most of the time, I spend all of my time alone trying to build discipline and willpower. I just want the mind to be silent and the negative feelings towards work to leave me so that I can pay off my debt and go travelling to somewhere that I may be able to live free of financial obligation, but at this rate I genuinely feel like lying down and dying rather than spending every waking moment in this torture. Please, please help

Entry 120 | Reflection Phwoar. Ever wake up feeling like you've been reborn? I don't know what to reflect on to be honest. All I can talk about is how things are at the minute. Past and future don't feel relevant. I've felt incredibly peaceful all day. This morning, I received a few insights that came in thought form but I can't remember them well enough to write them out. All that is left of them is an incredible sense of peace. In fact, stillness is a word that I have not fully understood until now. It has existed as a synonym for an inner peace but this is the first time in which I have experienced it for what it is. Stillness. Leo's video upload today was very interesting, as always. As I watched it, a lot of doubt came up with what I believe my life purpose is and whether or not it belongs in the "hero's journey" category. As a third-year university student, of course I'm going to be looking to get a successful career as a musician. But chasing success is apparently not a part of the "hero's journey." Nevertheless, the missions in my life provide me with fear and doubt. If I described them to someone, they would think I'm crazy to chase such a goal. These are seemingly characteristics of the "hero's journey." The fact that my mission brings about these characteristics makes me believe that I'm on the right path though. Perhaps the goal that I have set for myself is, in fact, the "holy grail" as it is meaningless in itself, but it requires a certain transformation of self to get there. The creative muses have made it abundantly clear that this mind and body was created to bring new music into existence. That is a scary thing to surrender to. Especially in this day and age where seemingly everybody is trying to be the next guitar hero or music master. But there's no going back now. I haven't had the courage to really tell anyone my true goals in life. I've always provided diluted versions of these goals to others in fear of criticism and ridicule. Maybe I should open up here. It's perhaps best described as a spirit or force of nature that wants to express itself through me. In every single moment of existence, I've had a deep desire to create innovative, inspiring music. Even as I sit here, I can hear the creative muses playing to me some of the music I desire to create. Sometimes, this spirit is so powerful that I find it difficult to differentiate between these internal sounds from the external sounds of the universe. It is my (devilishly difficult) duty to figure out a way to extract this internal music and reproduce it externally. There is no avoiding it. I know that I have the ability to gain regular musician jobs like teaching, musicals, cruise ship work, etc. But THIS is my life purpose. Because the music that appears to me is so indescribably beautiful that it simply must be shared. You guys really gotta hear what goes on in my head! But that's the thing; you can't. I have to sacrifice my secure, comfortable life in order to cultivate the music and share it with the world in a medium that it can be understood. I don't know why me! I don't know why this could possibly benefit anybody. Music in itself is meaningless. But something beyond me is willing me to do this. This has got me real emotional. I didn't realize the true extent of this burning desire within me that has always been there. If anything, I've just thrown petrol on the flames and made it stronger. There is so much fear and doubt that this could make me homeless and penniless. But at the same time, there's a greater knowledge beyond logic and reasoning that is telling me that any other path in life would be the equivalent of suicide. I'm fucking terrified, emotional, and excited at the same time. I have to sacrifice money, shelter, relationships, family, and lots of other things for this cause. But it's a cause completely worth fighting myself for. Dear God I must be mad! Pick of the day: Shoutout to the Indian Music Ensemble guys from university, ensemble leader John (santoor) and Henrik (flute).

Poverty is not the cause of suicides in India. A poor person who has not his life yet, don't think of dying. When whole society is poor, you don't complain much about it. Indian think poverty as a result of past lives karma. Causes for suicide in India In 2014 Causes No of people Bankruptcy or indebtedness 2,308 Marriage Related Issues 6,773 Non Settlement of Marriage 1,096 Dowry Related Issues 2,261 Extra Marital affairs 476 Divorce 333 Others 2,607 Failure in Examination 2,403 Impotency/Infertility 332 Other Family problems 28,602 Illness 23,746 AIDS/STD 233 Cancer 582 Paralysis 408 Insanity/Mental illness 7,104 Other prolonged illness 15,419 Death of dear person 981 Drug abuse/addiction 3,647 Fall in social reputation 490 Ideological causes/Hero worshipping 56 Love affairs 4,168 Poverty 1,699 Unemployment 2,207 Property dispute 1,067 Suspected/Illicit relation 458

@Evilwave Heddy This is off topic, but coming from a mad person, there's something similar to spirituality in 'madness', or mind fuck-uppery. I don't know if this will help, but prophets have a certain sort of personality to them. It's all about interpretation when all is said and done. When I'm well again, I'm going to write a paper on the similarities of madness and spirituality - complete with Red Book-esque artwork, after I start a normal spiritual practice. There's something there, Carl Jung was onto something. ------------------------ Suicide prevention information @harisankartj

Karma. If you suicide in one life whats to pursue in your next? Scary subject all around. Just please continue your path. I am here. We are here. God is now. I love you. I love myself.

Suicide will only lead to an endless loop, if you never grow or learn past that point you will continuously be presented with the same situations life after life until you complete and overcome the situation and who knows how many times its happened already. Suicide is one of the only things that prevents the soul from evolving onto the next phase of life. (so to speak) You see.. life is like a game and the universe is continuously in a state teaching/learning and most challenging life situations are simply tests you have pre-set yourself or the universe has set for you (whichever works) in order for you to grow past that and evolve to a greater collective.

One of the most famous actresses, Marilyn Monroe, committed suicide. She was one of the beautiful women ever, one of the most successful. Even the President of America Kennedy, was in love with here, and she had thousands of lovers. One cannot think of what more you can have. She had everything. While she was at the top of her success and fame, she committed suicide. No beggar ever thinks of committing suicide. Logically it should be just the other way: every beggar should think of committing suicide, but no beggar ever thinks. Suicide rate has nothing to do with poverty. Even developed economies like Japan and South Korea have higher suicide rate than India.

You can do whatever you want, but you might wanna see someone about it. Suicide is a tragedy, not just for you but for those around you, too. But also, don't feel guilty for having those feelings. Just see someone as soon as you can! <3

I have been struggling with sleeping disorder the last 25 years, the only advice I could get from the doctors were taking sleeping pills but it made me depressed and I got suicide thoughts, that was why I started on self-development. Now my sleep is so much under control I can have a normal life, the cure for me is as following: 1) 20 min guided meditation everyday just before bed time. 2) no tv, computer, phone ect. the last hour before bed time, 3) Dont go to bed later than 12.00 4) Very often a nap during the day will makes it easier to fall a sleep in the evening 5) Gratitude journal before bed time Good Luck

@harisankartj Everybody thinks about committing suicide in his life, few times, it's a momentary phase. Consult a psychiatrist, if you are really miserable. Why do you want to commit suicide? - death is coming on its own. Why are you in such a hurry?

Well think about it, once you commit suicide you're not gonna even care or know what they are going through. You could always commit suicide discreetly too so they don't think it was suicide and they're not left questioning why. So to answer your question..yes you are allowed to commit suicide, but you'd be much better off dealing with what you're escaping from.

@username When comparing spiritual teachings, you have to be extremely careful about terminology and language use. Terms like "logic", "free will", "God", "consciousness", "mind", "the self", "you/me/I", could have 180 degree difference in meanings. You have to look at the context they are being used in. Yes, you could say there is a certain "logic" to God and reality. But that's just a manner of speech. Like I could say there's a certain logic to operating a Windows PC, or a certain logic to playing beer pong, or a certain logic to psychedelic trips, or a certain logic to meditation, or a certain logic to suicide bombers. But that's a very loose use of that word. Yes, there is a certain logic to the Neti Neti method, where you realize that if you're having an experience, it cannot be you. To your other point, I noticed that his understanding of Buddhism is very limited. And his criticism of the Neo's saying they don't exist also fails to address their true meaning. When the Neo's say you don't exist, they mean the personal human self, not the Absolute self. The Neo's are teaching from the point of view of the ego, whereas Vedanta teaches from the point of view of the Absolute. It actually makes a lot of sense to teach from the ego's point of view, because the student is identified with ego. If you tell the student he exists, he's likely assume, "Yeah, of course I exist. I'm this body/mind right here. I got it! Duh!" But when you tell the student, "You don't exist!!!" he immediately gets scared and put on the spot. Now he has to come up with evidence for his body/mind identification, which he starts to see is impossible. And that creates an opening. James is a great teacher, but he suffers a bit from being a Vedanta hardliner. He feels old-school Vedanta is the ultimate teaching. Well, that's a relative judgment. And it certainly won't be true for all his students. For example, I was frustrated by his lack of giving actual self-inquiry technique. All that talking turns into mental masturbation very quickly without a clear, explicit practice method.

I don't know Shin. Isn't that a personal belief? Personally, i think it is dangerous to follow belief systems, especially ones own. Until i realize enlightenment i wouldn't assume anything. How can you be really sure? The best unenlightened people can do, is read something somewhere and think "wow, this resonates with me, it makes sense, so i believe it". In this way, i have found no proof yet of love or good to be a requirement for enlightenment. As for Zen masters, Zen is one of the most secular and isolated ways to reach enlightenment. They care shit about the rest of the world and are the most egoistical monks that ever existed. The only thing they do is meditate and comb sand into circles around rocks, fully isolated Some in Japan also go on great treks around a mountain until they either die or become enlightened. If they only think about quitting, they have to commit ritual suicide. That is one way to tame the monkey mind : "don't think you wanna quit, or you'll have to kill yourself" The only religion i know of, that in enlightenment seeking embraces humanity and the saving of everyone, is tibetan/indian style Buddhism. Where they put emphasis on metta-meditation, and loving-kindness.

I had strong OCD so I feel like I can help you. It nearly drove me to suicide as well. Firstly be kind to yourself, you're doing an amazing job. Remind yourself of that. I mean look, people with totally stable mental health can't even shift their ass to workout, meditate, eat and sleep well. Incredible. Okay with meditation a few times a week is not enough to see result, unfortunately it has to be every single day, 10 mins is enough to start with. It's hard but do it. One of the most important habits that helped me with OCD. Also, CBT is great for OCD. Don't let spirituality confuse your life too much at the start. Put it in a box in your head labelled 'spirituality' and the 'normal' types of therapy, habits, etc, in a box called 'life'. Remember it's all based on love. Also you're a badass for running these mental marathons each day. Most couldn't handle that. You're going to have so much strength and wisdom because of this. You probably already do. LOVE YOURSELF

One of the objectives of martial arts is to develop the mind and body to a point where the path of life can be walked fearlessly and courageously. All of us bear the potential to live the way of the warrior – martial arts provides us with the opportunity and tools for recognizing and unfolding this potential. Martial arts, which have been developed to destroy man, to murder, to commit suicide, but they can be used because the situation of death facing you in any form makes you alert, aware. Martial arts enhances flexibility, strength and stamina as well as coordination, presence and calmness – all at the same time. This purifies the energetic system of the body, removes blockages and frees energy. That's why in Japan particularly, many martial arts were developed by meditators. Practicing tai chi , aikido... slowly slowly you become more and more silent, more and more peaceful. The question of war and destruction disappears. Understand meditation in such a way, that you can use it not only while you are meditating but while you are doing anything. Just do it more consciously, more gracefully, more lovingly and you have changed the very quality of the action. And once you know to change the qualities of your actions, your whole life becomes the life of a meditator. I believe that tai chi is the best for spirituality.

That depends what "neediness for sex" means for you. Most of the time, it's not just sex, it's also the feeling of being loved. The need for sex, the craving for it, that you will always have, unless you "achieve" the 2 options above. @The Monk I said 2 options, the suicide wasn't a serious choice.

Practice tantra for like 3/4 hours, if you do it right, maybe you'll stop craving for sex. You could also commit suicide and be reincarnate into a demisexual/asexual person. There is enlightenement, but it could never happen, so ... Have fun !

you came onto this world as a baby, crying your heart out, laughing your heart out. radiating a purity beyond this world a jewel of innocence and light, then you grow up and toke on the pains of this world. status starts to matter, distinction appears, confrontation, conflict, superiority, inferiority,fear...you were sub-merged in negative energy and its qualities. But that was your choice as a spiritual being, to learn and to grow from all this. Now that we're trying to rise let's take a look at the mind. Imagine someone, running. That person is running along a track. And you keep shouting things at that person. As the person turns left you shout : ''I'm gonna turn to the left now.'' As you see the person getting tired you shout : ''I'm starting to feel tired''. As you see the sun going down in the far distance you shout : ''the sun is going down now.'' That person starts to identify with your voice, your narrative. When the person is starting to doubt you, you do everything you can to maintain your existence. So now the person is interested in spirituality and is in a feeling state of investigation towards you. You cannot betray yourself, you have to play along even if you don't want the person to investigate you. you have to narrate his investigation otherwise it will be obvious you are a foreign existence to that person. So you shout : ''hmm, am I real, is this voice I'm hearing real?'' ''is the mind real?'' You start playing along. For the sake of maintaining your existence you play the part. You're an incredible actor. But you do well to steer the person in thinking you're real, at every chance you have, you strike with absolute intent. When the person feels sad or rejected you shout : ''no one likes me, they don't truly love me, I'm all alone'' The more a person feels disconnected from their surrounding the more they retract inside, they share less with others, they stifle their real selves and turn to your for identity. You feed them your garbage : ''I shouldn't show my real emotions otherwise I'll get hurt, I'll act friendly with this person,I'll use them, but with this person I'll try to control them. I shouldn't do that. I'll get hurt. That person is bad. That thing is bad. Those people are bad. I'm bad, unworthy but he's even more unworthy'' And as time goes, the narrative isn't the one adapting itself to the person. It's the person adapting itself to the narrative. The narrative needs conflict and distinction and will feed it to you in masses because in happiness, in bliss there is never any thinking. there is being. love is connection, it's freedom, it's space, to feel free and home wherever you are,to feel united with everything, it's expansion The mind is fear, it's contraction, it's distinction, it's crippling, it's crimping, it's retraction. intelligence is not absolute, it's a gradient, love is of higher intelligence and fear is of lower intelligence. Just as you have higher levels inside yourself you you also have lower levels. Fear is the pathway to lower intelligence while love is the path to higher intelligence. with this we can start deconstructing the mind as we understand it's purpose. If you are completely happy and fulfilled you will not be thinking most of the time, as you are too busy enjoying yourself. So the mind needs war, needs conflict to exist, so that you can start planning your ''defense''. And it will do everything it can to make you believe you're in a war with your own world, just so that it can survive. The less you know, the less you believe you can do, the more you feel like you're lacking control and resources, the more you feel like you need to gain control and resources, the more aggressive and violent you become. that's why the mind is of lower intelligence and of negative energy. It is not only that, it is a gateway to more of that. That's how people spiral out of control in murder, rape, war...they spiritually descent. It cannot embody love because it is not intelligent enough to do so. and when it does it's merely playing along. to make your mind think positive is to literally destroy it, which is why it's so hard to hold positive thoughts. Fear is the manifestation of negative energy, which leads to lower intelligence, less understanding, makes you believe in lack of control,and leads you downright to conflict and pain. Love is the manifestation of positive energy, higher intelligence and understanding. leads you upright to divinity That's why I say that intelligence is not static. You can higher or lower your intelligence at will depending on which energy you try to tune into. it's your choice there's no such thing as IQ scores in my book. they're merely a construct of the mind to bring division and confusion, making you believe your intelligence is static. Now to crack down on the mind is to see it's vulnerabilities. the cracks in the shields. The mind is of fear and cannot coexist with love so all it's vulnerabilities will show up when confronted to love. Have you ever heard you mind say ''we should kill that person or I wish that person would die'' and then you'd feel in your heart something completely different, you'd almost feel guilt and shock for that thought? Or if your mind constantly makes you feel rejected and you get tired of it at some point, tired of your own mind. That's what happens in depression, people's mind go haywire and it starts becoming very obvious that the mind is not working in their favor 'anymore'. The mind didn't go ''sick'', it was always sick, it merely stopped trying to hide its negative intent and be so subtle about it, as it grew stronger it just downright spiraled out of control. The ''ascension'' of the mind always ends in death, either suicide or murder. It is pure negative energy. The mind cannot co-exist with love. As you try to make yourself believe you're worthy of self-love, of divine ascension, of enlightenment, it will do everything it can to make you doubt it's possible or to make you feel unworthy. the mind cannot co-exist with higher intelligence. You think when you do math in your head, that your mind is helping you. No it's merely narrating what's already happening.On the contrary it's slow your abilities down to a crisp. You are able to do math instantly and effortlessly at higher levels of spirituality. Einstein said his greatest discoveries came ''out of nowhere'' upon himself.that they came to him as flashes of insight. As many other great scientists. As many great artists. We know that creativity is higher intelligence itself. Could anyone every think himself into painting something like leonardo davinci? Think yourself into making music like your favorite music artist? the proof is right in front of our eyes, our mind cannot and will never grasp concepts of higher intelligence. whether it's math,or science,or art, when you think the mind serves a purpose it's merely an illusion. Einstein theories came ''upon'' him because his mind couldn't grasp the concepts of it and make a narrative for it. They didn't come out of nowhere, they came out of himself, but the absence of the narrative, the vulnerability of the mind showed. The mind cannot make a narrative for what it doesn't understand. Which is why as you grow spiritually , your mind will automatically stop because your intelligence, your perspective, your actions will be completely incomprehensible to it. and if you want to grow, understand that fear in any form absolutely feeds the mind while love feeds your soul. To love is to expand, to understand, to feel free, there's nothing to fear if you understand everything, but to understand you must first love edit: I also have an exercise for you to show you directly in experience how slow and unintelligent the mind is compared to yourself. Try to walk,not automatically, but with thoughts. Plan your every move.Your every step.Plan the movement of your muscles. ''Move quadriceps, lift knee, lift knee, lift foot to the right, shift core....'' Sounds like madness right?Well try it and feel for yourself, how inept the mind is and how incredibly intelligent you are without it. How ungodly slow would it be to walk using your mind? That is what is going on with all of us. Walking our lives using our minds. It is incredibly slow and unintelligent, you can feel the immense difference for yourself in this exercise if you try it. Carefully planning our decisions and feelings, to ''plan'' is to breakdown your native intelligence to breadcrumps. How would you go through life if you stop using your mind for everything and just let yourself flow, the same way you flow when you walk? Your speed would be a thousand times higher...as your awareness is faster, your intelligence magnified to unimaginable heights, time slows down as you become aware of everything. That is being in the present moment, to not think, to not use your mind, is to accelerate, and to slow down everything, to transcend time itself , to be free of all conflict, and be launched into blissful eternity

I take 100% responsibility for living in a culture where the Colombine school shootings happened. I now choose to open my awareness up to as many diverse perspepectives as possible on on murder suicide psychology. And on school bullying. I take responsibility for living in a country where the government has become so entangled with secrecy and power structures that much of the public is very skeptical about what really happened at 911. I take responsibility for not knowing what the country I live in had or had not been doing to deprive other cultures of lifes necesities and respect. I vow to hear brothers and sisters from many cultures speak their truth on this. I vow to listen to as many fresh perspectives on the subject as possible. I take responsibility for my perspective and vow to share it, and I also vow to grow my perspective. I also vow to stand confidently in my growing perspective when it comes time to making decisions. I also will not be afraid to change my mind occasionally, and to really consider how it is that I am interpreting my sources of information, and how it is that I am spreading information myself.

Yes, I was talking about depression/suicide in the context of enlightenment and existential inquiry. The ego can successfully threaten suicide when it recognizes it's own need to die, THAT'S how crafty it is. It's like, I have to die before I die, I can't let that happen so I'll just kill myself. LOL! ... the emotional mastery is a kind of pseudo-mastery that you can only get by letting go, by jumping in to the ocean - so to speak, instead of listening to people on board for tips and techniques to try to gain control over yourself. ... but you have to take that with a little nuance, as I said, I don't know you and where you're at.

@Marc Schinkel Thanks for sharing. You are right, fear is always involved in depression. If I say I fear depression it´s like saying I fear a state of fear. Different people fear different things but when it comes to the point of suicide you can definitely average it out by saying fear of staying alive (vs the one of dying). I agree. On making a deal... Yes, the last time I experienced this I told myself that I have to keep trying until I get 25 and if things aren´t better until then I can still commit suicide (now of course I am far from thinking that I should ever stop trying). So, I think I get what you´re saying. It´s the "stay alive to see what else is going to happen" because we´ll die sometime anyways mentality. You know... Very suitable for fuckups who are like: What ELSE could happen? It can only get better if I keep trying, can´t it? hehe How interesting. Both Smythe and Adyashanti (I didn´t know these before so thank you for introducing them) say stuff like "you wouldn´t want this if you knew what it was", sort of like saying that you don´t want to be enlightened? I don´t know if I got this correctly but I think that it´s a thing to have faced the fear of death, overcome it at least for a while but having chosen to stay alive that gets us closer to surrendering to mystical experience because we are at the point where it is okay for us to let the ego die. In fact, before I had the best selfless, effortless, divine feeling of my life in my semester studying abroad I had a deep episode of depression. Even though in my case it´s a mixture of fear and me just somewhat shutting down completely. So there might be also something with reaching limits of sensory input/overstimulation thing playing in as well... It´s a little hard to talk about all this because there are all these terms by western psychology to categorize people into syndromes and disorders and neuro types and what so not to find some explanation of why we behave the way we do. I do believe though that everyone can benefit from some kind of meditation (and there are quite a lot) or other spiritual/more philosophical practises and as I expand my knowledge, psychedelics. So whatever triggers us into the fear can be faced by working on emotional mastery.

What we call 'life' is a gradual suicide, only few people are able to know what life is. That's what Jesus says when he says, "Let the dead bury their dead."