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I think enlightenment completly shuts off all thoughts (desires, cravings). You might had an awakening experience but if you still have suffering\thoughts, you havent awakened

Who says that people that awakened cant have a sense of humour?

@Deep Nobody cant EVER. EVER. Prove they are enlightened. why? Because, we cant go inside another one's mind and see if they are thinking or not. We cant go into their body and see if they feeling lasting happiness, peace, fulfileness, completion, wholeness. Even if you got the truest teachings ever, that still doesnt mean you awakened because you cant do those two things.

@Faceless Yes but it is very rare. All experiences, memory, knowledge, coming and going are part of the Spanda. The perpetual motion of rising and falling. Existence-non existence. Experience-non experience. Awakened states-non awakened states. Knowing- no knowing. This infinite motion-Karma is driven by desire. Even the desire to be awakened drives the Spanda. Very rarely is the Spanda truly transcended. But when it is there is absolutely no one there. Complete annihilation.

@Scholar Now that you see the emperor has no clothes don't let the spin masters bamboozle you into believing their ass isn't exposed. There will be esoteric sounding word play and clever circling narratives used in an attempt to distract you. Attaining a genuine clarity in awareness allows one to recognize that attributing as many characteristics to what is said to be inconceivable and unimaginable as some do is laughable. As they tell the story of their concepts about it they say it's not conceptual and if questioned it's turned on you who isn't open to it or trapped in 'maya'. They declare the authority of directly knowing "absolute" as the only reality and truth dismissing all else as illusion and false. Cognitively priming you as they were primed as well in saying if you "search" for the truth it will be as they say it is so are suggesting if it's anything other than that it's not truth and you don't know the truth. The demonizing of thoughts, ideas, beliefs and mind is herding the 'seekers' by corralling them into a dogmatic belief paradigms and chasing off anything that strays from it as unawakened and deluded sheep. Everyone else repeats the regurgitated rhetoric and all the gurus agree so it must be true! So seek clarity, keep awakened and be at peace! Haha!

Yes for those who want to know the downside is: (personal experience) If you where a believer in a Diety as i was, or have had emotional struggle in life, trauma or injuries the following you must expect: The whole neural pathways and nervous system will re-route to your natural state, similar as you where as a baby. So, if you had stronger right side of the body per exemple or physical injuries, expect maybe numbness (days, weeks), trembling of extremities (days, weeks), tingling, heavy limbs, very hot or very cold parts of the body. I can say that it is a process until the whole system falls into the natural course, this might happen in stages, during months or years. You realize your natural flow and start breathing the the Fire unto Earth while you let go of Light (mind,head, middle of the head, muscle strain in the head). The so called 3rd eye is always open, always has been and it will be until last breath. The difference is between the awakened one and the non-awakened one. The ratio of reality perception is the following: 4-10% for the dormant being, 20-100% for the awakened ones who are in different stages because like anything this is the re-routing of your being. It is impossible to see 100% of reality as it is in 1 day. You start seeing it and understanding it, but it unfolds more and more on the path, that is virtually infinite, like evolution is, life is, goes to more and more complex. Tip: Root chakra is the rabbit hole, is the entrance to the 3rd eye. (You have to hit the ''tail'', in order to open the skull.) This is a glimpse of enlightenment. Blessings

This only applies to the not awakened ones. The human being with a natural flow of energy is unaffected. The awaken one will know how to in-jaculate and raise kundalini wherever he/she wants, at any time, anywhere. Blessings

Tap into Adam's Apple and any moment will be a deja vu. Deja vu is felt as something extraordinary from the duality/5 senses mindset only. The awakened one sees deja vu as a natural flow, he/she will live deja vu every moment. I say this by personal experience. Blessings

Sorry, I still see fragmentation as a result of a paradox. One becomes awakened once the fragmentation tries to fragment itself. Once the self wants to see what itself is. It sees it as a tunnel, a path to go, but the tunnel fragments itself. The cycle cannot contain itself and it explodes. The self sees itself for the paradox it is. Still, if one can see a path from paradox to fragmentation, then surely one can go from fragmentation to paradox. It goes both ways. Peace.

I did not self induce my awakening, infact I didn’t even know what kundalini was when I awakened it. It awakened after a period of intense suffering that led me to do a lot of spiritual work all in once. Kundalini is speeding up my development tremendously but the quantity of emotional labour I’m going through is huge. And I still have a lot of work to do and still a lot of my Self to discover. Kundalini is really forcing me to live the most true, honest, and clean life possible, because if I don’t then it makes me experience suffering. Thanks i read in books about shaktipat but I never met anyone who experienced it. I spoke a lot with one enlightened man but I did not ask him about this.

@WildeChilde kundalini is highly concentrated life energy located in the abdomen. Once it is awakened , all the stuck energy (repressed emotions, traumas, etc ) in all of your body will push to come out . This can produce very strong symptoms and be extremely debilitating. Awakening kundalini is a highway towards enlightenment. You have to be prepared to face your inner demons. Your repressed emotions (= the shadow that makes ego live = your neuroses = what distorts your perception of reality = demons ) cannot remain in you when kundalini is awakened. If kundalini is awakened once you have already done a lot of purification work (= your energetic body is already to a good extent clean ) , you will have weaker symptoms and you will obtain faster the positive effects it brings . There are also a lot of positive affects when kundalini is stabilized and flows well in you but I still haven’t experienced them. Usually kundalini is awakened once the navel or crown chakra are fully opened . I am in the kundalini process right now and I am having a very hard time.

All that you are doing - all those meditations, self inquiry, psychedelics and etc... all for one and only "final destination" to become 100% authentic. total self acceptance is the pure awakening. Total letting go is the ultimate power of NOW. If you are able to embrace your darkest side and sit with it like with your best friend you are awakened. You will miraculously observe how all the "evil" inside you will vanish nowhere as it "appeared" out of nowhere! The true ultimate peacefulness lies beyond wanting, trying or seeking. It lies within the total authenticity! Stop resisting and fully surrender! When you experience your being without resistance you will never go back again! You will never lie to yourself again! You, with your entirety of emotions and characteristics are the only true nature of the existence. Accept yourself fully, accept your reality fully and you will awaken to your true nature! Whatever the "shit" you may think you are. Stop resisting! Trust universe and embrace yourself! Peace! Good luck! I'm out!

LISTEN ATTENTIVELY I know you are absolutely in a drunken state. Everything is upside down in you, everything is in a mess. You don't know what you are doing, why you are doing it. You don't know why you are here in the first place! But I know perfectly well why I am here and what I am doing. I am trying to wake you up - you are fast asleep. Just take one thing seriously and that is to become more and more alert of your sleepiness. And all my efforts here, sutras or jokes, are nothing but means to wake you. Sometimes a joke can wake you up more easily than a serious sutra because listening to a serious sutra you tend to fall deeper into sleep; it is so serious that you can't be awakened by it. But a joke is so light that you don't want to miss it; you listen attentively. - Osho

@Sevi Do you love animals doing cute stuff? Cool. This one happens to be my favourite: Seems like the crow is awakened. Crow = Parent, Kitten = Child

It's a challenge to communicate personal subjective experience to others without having a dogmatic aspect to it. Our experience as it unfolds is a spontaneous event and the revelation in that is authentic but when we tell others of it it turns into conceptualization by the very nature of the act. Not that the conceptualization is inherently a negative or less awakened but since everbody's experience is so individualized and divergent the teaching of our own direct experience can be dogmatic. Especially if we take a tone of authoritative knowledge which can happen in the zeal of expressing it to others.

I think most of my work here on actualized is done. Enough seeds were planted for now as it is time to grow and expand further beyond the barriers of this forums mindsets and limitations. I am really proud of many of you, i was surprised when i first came here how many had a general idea of who and what they are and what life is really about which made me feel like home for a while as there wasn't many other places out there people agreed with me for several years besides E.T knowledge-based forums and individuals that understood higher consciousness and how Energy, Frequency and Vibration works or how things work on a Quantum level. For me this was all understood in my Re-Activation to source-self. The more in embodiment self-expression of source energy the more whole i became. I was initially lead here because i started messing around with DMT and psychedelics and at that time Leo had made a few videos on DMT, 5-meo and general psychedelic use and Enlightenment and in all honesty i didn't ever feel the need to watch or subscribe to his videos(Although i have a few times) because after watching a few over the years and skimming through several both old and new i saw my younger self that had already awakened (as i agreed with 99% what he said) but still far from Enlightenment but i knew due to my Enlightenment he was definitely on the path but it is going to be far more difficult with constant use of social media, making videos and forum use as from experience i know to truly experience a most pure Enlightenment you must LET GO OF EVERYTHING and dissolve yourself in nature and the natural harmonic flow of creation. You only really find all by losing all and letting go of all including any subscription or nourishment whatsoever which is where most people get to then due to hard-wired conditions they cannot go further and they come back with an aligned consciousness mistaken for True/Absolute Enlightenment. So i came to the forums to plant seeds of truth/light help bring a more authentic universal understanding of what Leo was growing into because i believed there needed to be a balance or this will backfire for Leo and all his followers (especially the Leo-Everything ones) because it was too mentally driven and not enough emotionally understood. (As it already semi-backfired for me in the past so i was already one step ahead and came to save the world v2) If you know the Buddha and Jesus and many other as i would call Truly Enlightened Beings pretty much went completely naked of all desires, needs, wants, thoughts, conditions, ect.. Its a simple secret of the universe one must be ready to trust and completely surrender and even to die "physically" in order to reach. The secret is you don't really die(in the way that you think) Its sort of like you have to accept actual physical death and surrender to complete universal trust in order to achieve Immortality but are you willing to throw your whole physical life away from Absolute Enlightenment is the question? I am one of the very few that i know that have chosen and managed to actually come back to this reality. Now due to the Psychedelic use, interacting with others, relationships, toxins, and re-integrating myself into 3rd Dimensional Reality again i was driven to sacrifice absolute for semi-enlightenment(So to speak)-(As energy exchange and communication would be incomprehensible)-Thus why there are Universal-laws/dimensions/densities ect.. and experience both sides of the spectrum out of creative curiosity so see if i can lead both to the same light. I knew i had to forget in order to learn again because i knew i was putting myself in a place that i had already mastered through energy work and within but i wanted an external mastery, i wanted to master through limitation and see if one can be source-expression through 3rd dimensional experiencing.(This started 1-2 years before actualized.org) What i came to realize is that it is possible but non-sustainable, out of vibrational laws you cannot maintain a 5th or higher dimensional consciousness residing in 3D existence for long(as you cant 9th-11th > 5th-6th ect..) you can only access parts at a time. You'd literally go mad if you tried to which is almost what happened to me because i was beyond this world(Not to say i was better) I just knew who i really was with more authenticity than others all the time even since a child(which naturally shifts you're vibration to a reality with more harmonic resonance) but i had somehow created a glitch and blinded myself to continue to stay here and try help everyone else rise up which only backfired and lead to a big crash and ups and downs finally coming back to how it all started with complete focus and knowing on source-self no ego-self but absolute true source self how we come into this world but forget soon after. The glitch from my understanding was a combination of things but psychedelics did play a role which force unnatural energetic vibrations/shifts and when abused or used too often as ended up doing it ends up depleting spiritual awareness/purity of self. As Alan Watts would say: If you get the message, Hang up the phone. The more you are really you, the more it will appear to others that you are ego. Now there is ego and there is pure ego. The secret is pure ego and pure source are one and the same thus leading to the realization there is no ego and never was but another distraction to keep you away from self. We create the illusion to begin with. - A good example was Osho he knew self with such direct authenticity that to others that do not "Know" on the same frequency as he did one would appear to them as pure ego. Now through "The other side of the spectrum"(as i stated above) I was only confirmed what i already always knew and understood it was just more of a physical experience in a short burst which was all fun and games at the start but i realized and remembered you can expand to far greater levels without physical ways or substances because they are only limited by "physical dimensions". Yes mentally you can go far even so far that you believe or know sometimes that you are absolute but you only get so far to how far your "knowing" goes. By Universal Law you cannot experience something you are not ready for but then one may think then how does one experience the absolute by taking 5-Meo or other ways sometimes regardless of universal knowing/understanding ect.. Yes but that is source-self that experiences absolute, now how much can you actually understand and remember now that you are back in the limitation? You see, you can only get what you believe and know you are worthy of or you simply will not/cannot comprehend when you shift back into a more limited dimension of consciousness. Although for now it seems even being here is limiting my full potential and starting to become a loop which does no longer serve me and as i could only share so much until it becomes too deep and turns into a form of attack or backfire due to misunderstanding from hard-wiring since birth. I have learned over the years to observe and maintain how far i can express what i know and understand based on the collective consciousness/awareness and universal knowledge of the group/individuals present. So i think its now time to allow others to rise from the ashes and continue my path elsewhere where i can have more of a global or universal impact because i feel it is my path to do so and there is a higher calling or divine order re-arising from within. I may still pop around once in a while if there is a vibrational match to do so and drop some seeds of light but if i do not know its for the greater good and i am proud of what most of you are doing just remember to not take it all too seriously as we make it here on actualized.org, we know better to let loose a bit and have a bit of fun, keep a balance, don't subscribe to anything, be formless, be free and loopless and be wise I hope the absolute best for you and will leave you with a little video sharing the a secret of how the universe works. Most Importantly, Be Love <3 Remember Do not judge, instead> Absorb what is useful, Discard what is not. Create what is uniquely your own As you are creators, so do not subscribe to the limitation that you are not or you will be limiting your whole potential. Infinite Love & Light & Wholeness <3 Gratitude & Bless Ho'oponopono Namaste ?

They are called lucid dream, and you can learn how to have them. It's also how reality is supposed to feel for an awakened dude (confirmed by LOE, our lord and savior)

Here are the words of Osho from this talks titled 'The Beginning of the Beginning'... It is not a dream life to you; it is real. When you see a dream the dream is real. Somebody who has awakened from sleep may go on saying that whatsoever you are seeing is just a dream, but the person who is dreaming, he is dreaming a reality, not a dream. In a dream, howsoever absurd, you cannot feel it as a dream. You believe in it, because once you feel it is a dream the dream disappears. The dream cannot remain there, your cooperation is withdrawn. You can cooperate only with reality, not with dreams; and if you cooperate dreams become reality -- it is through your cooperation. In the night, deep in sleep, you dream that you have become a king. You may be a beggar, or vice versa: you may be a king and you dream that you have become a beggar. But in that dream you are so identified you cannot think that it could be a dream. If you can think that it could be a dream, the dream will stop immediately. It will be broken, you will come out of it. If you realize in dream that it is a dream the dream is broken, the dream cannot exist. It exists through your cooperation, your identification is needed. If you are committed to it, if you get involved in it, only then can it continue. And the same happens with the greater dream which is life. When you realize this is a dream, immediately you have become a Buddha, you are enlightened. But this enlightenment cannot happen to you by others' knowing, others' wisdom. Buddha may go on calling to you that this is a dream you are living, but you will only feel that this man is a disturbance, a constant nuisance, he is disturbing your life. That's why we kill such persons. Socrates -- we poisoned him because he was a great disturber. Jesus -- we crucified him because he was a nuisance. Everybody is dreaming such beautiful dreams, and these persons unnecessarily, and without being invited, go on disturbing people and saying to them, "Wake up! You are dreaming. This is a dream." And the man may have been dreaming such a beautiful thing that he could throw away all life for that dream. If you become alert a dream disappears; if you become alert of your misery, the misery disappears. You cling to it because you think it is not misery, or some happiness is hidden somewhere in it. It may be misery outwardly, but a deep treasure is hidden behind it, so you have to cling to it for that treasure. Your life is misery -- but not for you. Realize its misery, it falls down. The very truth transforms you. And the moment misery falls the divine is revealed. To a miserable mind the divine cannot be revealed. To a celebrating mind the divine is revealed. Remember, only to a celebrating mind, to a mind which is happy, blissful, enjoying moment to moment, ecstatic, is the divine revealed. To a miserable mind the divine cannot be revealed, because a miserable mind is closed. The divine is here and now, but you are not here and now. If you are also here and now then the divine will be revealed to you.

I think what's not important is all the petty problems of the dream and short-term life. However, life itself and awakened life is important, awakened humanity is important, spiritual growth is important. Because it will lead to life full of virtues and greatness of this dream. Thats what Abrahamic spirituality tells us with kingdom of god which will come and eternal life. These are important and there for a reason, while this short life is your test, quest, game. Test is important too because it will define what will happen with earth later, and what people will inherit. Everything is for a reason, it's god telling stories to himself, and stories might be unreal but they still have meaning, thats the whole point of storytelling. Humanity has to awaken, conscious evolution is taking place, homo sapiens slowly transforms into homo immortalis, evolution has a purpose and it will merge heavens and earth into new world where people will see miracle of the dream instead of living in the dream without knowing it. And then your dreams will come true.

It might sound weird and girly but throughout my childhood I developed fear of growing up which throughout my early adulthood developed into strong fear of aging. I used to think about death and becoming old from age of 5, it did bother me a lot then. almost couple decades later i still did not get over that. i mean i sorta forgot about it in my teens and came back to that fear extensively during this year and i'm posting this not because it is just regular fear. I mean it bothers me to the extent of suicidal behavior because of how much I already aged since childhood and teens. i did huge self-help work so far, i had many many issues, but i just can't get over this particular aspect. i'm young but my body and face became older than before and this thought killing me now i'm making research on elixir of youth, i'm getting insane. my fam are pissed off on me. i have a naive dream that if i only look younger like before i'd go and conquer the world but i'm holding myself back. what's wrong with me? it is so infantile and shameful, my self-esteem felt down to the bottom end. i don't want other people, friends and girls to see me. ps. i know i am not my body but i'm not awakened so this understanding do not help me much. pps. i have received professional help. they didn't help much

The Power of Consciousness Question: How is it that going into something consciously has such a power to reveal all the threads which make up the tangle? Osho: Devageet, the reality is just the opposite. All our tangles in life are created by our unconsciousness, so the moment you become conscious those tangles disappear. It is not the power of consciousness that makes them disappear. It is the power of unconsciousness that creates them. All the tangles of life, of love, of relationship, are created by our unconsciousness. We don’t know what we are doing, and by the time we become aware it is too late. What has been done cannot be undone. Our unconsciousness is very supportive to the ego — they have a co-existence. Coming of consciousness will not only disperse all the tangles, it will also disperse you as an ego. […] Devageet, it is true consciousness has tremendous power, but it is not used in revealing and dispersing the tangles of your life; they simply disappear as you become conscious. Gautam Buddha used to say that when the lights are on and from the windows people can see that the master is awake, thieves don’t come close. When the lights are put off, only then do thieves come close to the house to see whether the master has gone to sleep and it is the right time to enter. He was saying this about consciousness. He used to call sex, greed, lust for power, position, respectability all thieves. They come to you only when they see that there is no light in the man; inside it is all dark. Once you are radiating consciousness and light, those thieves don’t come close to you. But consciousness has its own power. It is simply in the presence of consciousness that tangles disappear. The power is not used for dispersing the tangles and problems; the power is to bring blissfulness. The power is to bring peace, silence, at homeness, at easeness and a tremendous ecstasy, a divine drunkenness. Life becomes for the first time self-oriented; you don’t have to beg from others for anything. Nobody can give you blissfulness; nobody can give you ecstasy. Nobody can give you the sense of immortality and the dance that comes with it. Nobody can give you the silence, which becomes a song in your heart. What can people give to you? In fact, the power of consciousness gives you so much that you become capable of sharing with people. For the first time, you can give to people. They are living in darkness; they haven’t seen any light. They don’t have any idea what a conscious being is. They don’t have any conception, comprehension of the power of consciousness, how many flowers shower, how much fragrance becomes natural to you. You CAN give, and you can give them a taste and you can give them a direction, so they can also find the same power which is dormant in them. A conscious man awakened can help millions of people to move towards the source of joy, real and authentic life, to pure love which knows nothing of hate, which knows nothing of jealousy, which has nothing to do with body and biology — which is just a spiritual communion, a feeling of deep compassion for your innermost being. Yes, the power of consciousness gives you many things. The treasure is inexhaustible, but your problems and tangles have been created by unconsciousness — for them no power is needed, just the presence of consciousness is enough. -OSHO From The Invitation, Chapter 24

Upon realization, one looks back and wonders how and why does the seeker even come to exist? For Truth? Only to realize that once the seeking has stopped, that was liberation. To realize who and what you are. Prior to this the 4 or + years of seeking just seemed like a bad dream, yet felt so solid and real. It becomes a bad joke and there is nothing to do but laugh! But of course, PARADOXICALLY much hard seeking and yearning is needed in the beginning. To the "awakened" state, seeking just seems like a bad joke, but to a seeker, it's either life or death, a deep deep yearning. <- This deep yearning can confuse the "awakened" state, as like "for realz dude?" (This is not a disclaimer for seekers to give up there search, but at the same time it does!) I'm so confused about this and that's why I'm making a post about it!!!! HAHAHAH! Enlightenment is just a concept that the ego attaches to as something solid or an attachment one could acquire. But it's just giving up the pretense of becoming anything. This probably doesn't make any sense to a seeker. I am not saying I'm the slightest awake or my ego is just tricking me but for once in my life of 4+ years of meditation, I have no desire to meditate or look into spiritual teachings. Now reading or watching videos of teachers talking about enlightenment is just the most obvious thing ever. I don't know if this is the side effect of awakening but for the first time it just clicks and there's this deep knowing of the obvious.

@Monkey-man Yes it’s kundalini. Mine awakened when I was horniest I have ever been in the middle of a 10 day meditation retreat. It happened in a dark meditation cell where my fantasy went full blown and I was consumed by sexual energy. I nearly physicaly ejaculated without touching anything. You just got to hold it in and feel it in. @Shin If it made your body feel good than that’s a god sign. Kundalini to me is all about tuning into the good feelings in your body. With a spark it will slowly build and build.

For me, I think @Leo Gura best videos that had the most impact on my life were The Moralizing videos, Absolute Infinity, and his recent episodes on Self Deception. These three videos series had a profound impact on me because even though I had left Catholosism in my early 20's, the programming of what was 'right' and 'wrong' was deeply embedded in me. Although Leo and I are a probably opposite on the political spectrum, I have realized that even politics is just made up, but is a 'necessary' evil in order to organize what we call society. But at the same time, even labeling politics anything is ego; as it is made up, there is in fact nothing 'right' or 'wrong' about politics or anything we made up at all other than it is not reality. But at the same time, it exists in a mental reality that we created, which is a psuedo-reality/virtual reality of the mind of our species. In regards to "shoulding" or 'right' and 'wrong', where I once considered anything claiming to be "relativism" as post- modern Marxist ideology pushed to destroy the West, Leo does a great job breaking the deluded thinking of Western philosophy, but at the same time, as he may not realize, also breaks down Eastern philosophy. In fact, I think Leo's entire philosophy is a non-philosophy: the same way I have come up in my own thinking is the Philosophy of Nothing. This is the position which I am currently and naturally transitioning to myself into as I continue to shed old beliefs. Nothing is more powerful than" anything, as "any" thing is bounded while "no-thing" is not. But paradoxically, at the same time, "nothing" cannot do "anything." Essentially this is what I got out of the Absolute infinity videos which were a great way to imagine "God" but also making you realize it is impossible to imagine at all. Both Nothing and Anything are compliment and make up their respective flaws and distinctions, which of course, we made up and don't actually exist. What I took from his series on Self Deception (which I might add I enjoy Leo's humble approach to himself) is that, we would all be insane to believe we could ever be masters at anything. Anyone who claims to be a guru or a master is more deluded that any un-awakened human. Why? Because I think a master, teacher, or whatever, should know the fundamental truth learned by being enlightened that: There is no final level, thus mastery or anything is just another attempt by the ego to make a distinction between someone who is aware and unaware. My argument is that the more aware you are, that way less deluded about your own belief that you know anything at all becomes understood. That is what I took from the self deception series which I find was a great series. I've concluded from all this that there is no further reason to chase being enlightened; in fact, you cannot ever BECOME enlightened. you can only EXPERIENCE it. Furthermore, all you can ever do is experience anything, as life is ONLY an experience. And it has many forms of experience, in fact, INFINITE forms which NONE can be described with words ever. You cannot even describe the taste of your food, even when someone else tastes the same food and agrees that it is "good" because we can never experience their taste of the same food they are experiencing, from their experience. How can you know that person is tasting the same way you are and that their 'good" is the same good as yours? In other words, even if we obtained "enlightenment," our experience would only be limited to our perspective and could never be identical to someone else's experience. And as Leo pointed out, the Absolute infinity has INFINITE ways that can never be reached, thus, NO ONE can ever be fully enlightened, can never know God, and anyone who claims to know God or be enlightened in full of shit. So I use the term enlightened here to describe the UNDERSTANDING of this by reaching a limited experience of the so-called unlimited, which in of itself is limited by that set experience. We can only experience our fraction that we are in the entire part of the Whole. Even if we saw the "Whole" we are only seeing it from our perspective which in fact is only a sliver of the whole. In other words, we are always going to have bias and the ability to only see from our own eyes, experience from our own experience, and no one else's, thus never being able to see the Whole as the Whole, which is why there are infinite levels, because the infinite levels are composed of all the other infinite experiences possible that we cannot ever be. So is there a point to further continue enlightenment? I believe the answer is no. Because once you "get there", and learned that you will never get there, cannot ever get there in the final sense, or ever BECOME IT; just glimpse at it and simply experience it, the rest of the attempts to go to it either become a form of escapism, or just sheer addiction to get there and see it over and over for you own pleasure, or to try to learn something else to add to your egoic memory. I think the main point of becoming enlightened is to reduce your own suffering and you do this by learning you are not the ego. But ironically, even that can cause suffering. I believe this can be achieved with even ONE experience; maybe others need 1000 times, but I think this is the fundamental truth we are looking for. Enlightening to me is removing the delusions of the ego so you can return to this shared reality and "lighten up" and continue to experience your human form in a better way. That is why many people who achieve enlightenment simply laugh or cry in tears because its so simple and the reason why it is so mind-blowing is because what is seems to be is that it is nothing, which is like a giant joke no one expected lol. But then again, that is only ONE perspective that is nothing; the other is that it is everything! As Leo pointed out, some people go on 40 year journeys to become enlightened and can never get there. Leo can take some LSD or whatever on video and melt right before us; reaching it in 10 minutes, but even that is only a faction of it. NO ONE can ever reach it fully. So for me, I think Actualized and Leo's work is phenomenal. Although I'm not a fan of the cult-like and the Leo-worship vibe I get here from some followers, which he clearly speaks against in his videos, I believe he did a great job actually pushing forward thinking to the next level. He may be humble by about his own work, but I see an even deeper meaning perhaps he is unable to express in words? But I get what he is truly saying. Or do I? Maybe he does not even know how profound and simple it is; maybe he does? But all I know is that for myself I have taken what I have learned here and realized even more that maybe even taught here. And that I think is what true teachings can do; they teach the student to leave off where the sensei began. Sensei means "the one who came before" and I think it is a delusion to think that a Sensei cannot be surpassed by his student, in fact, if he is not, he has failed. I believe everything is evolution; the physical, of the mind, of the spiritual, and if the absolutely infinity is true, then nothing can ever be fully realized and that is the ultimate truth. Our job, as so-called "enlightened" people or those on this path, is to realize that we are here to pass the baton of evolution to the next generation on this infinite path, knowing that our teachings and our realizations will only be a stepping stone to the next level, which is on a infinite staircase that is ultimately a strange loop. Knowing this I think is what enlightenment is; but even the dumbest person you can talk to may even reach this conclusion and tell one of us looking for God this simple truth and laugh at us saying, "How can you ever know God?" Even the most devoted, deluded Christian will tell you he is unknowable, unimaginable, indescribable. So in a sense, even the unawakened or the most ignorant can say something true; the only difference is that they didn't experience this for themselves and are simply parroting their beliefs which they did not obtain by experience. So to summarize, for me, this all boils down to KNOWING that you have EXPERIENCED what the fuck you are talking about; or at least THINKING you have via an experience, only to know that even THAT isn't all of it, and thus, the mind-fuck never ends, nor will it ever end, and knowing this, I feel, is enlightenment is simply that. I am not discouraging anyone to stop meditating or learning; but just to know, whatever you do learn or achieve, there is always more and to think you ever reached anything but another unique experience, will have up ending up thinking you are holier than thou or are "finished" which is even worse off than you left off; as many of these so-called godmen or gurus we see act or claim to be like, when they in fact are not anything but the limited sliver than can ever be in regards to the whole.

Compassion doesn't tend to occur in the initial stages of Awakening, and most of the posts on here are from pre-awakened seekers. Period. Compassion generally opens up (along with the Hrid, or however you map it) with much time and maturity and wearing out of the same old mental programs, post experience of the Unconditioned/VOID. Still, I think MIghty Mouse is a troll anyway, so why do I give a fuck?