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You do not focus on nothingness, you just do not focus on anything , to do it your body needs to be able to breath comfortable when you are relaxed and have as little interference as possible, if you are new to this you will have long way to get even close to being able to do it, but it will be good training to stop your mind jumping around.

@purerogue So I can meditate in any way as long as I am focusing on nothingness?

@Nahm So what I got from that video is experience is dependent upon the experiencer, and what we see is only "there" if we are here. Does this mean that I am my experience? If nothing is real, then doesn't that mean that real is real but it is nothing? And all of the things I've experienced are not real because they are all things and i have never experienced nothingness truly? How can I experience nothing if experience isn't real but nothingness is? Seems paradoxical

How about @Schahin crystallised out of god/nothingness/infinity? The medium the crystal grows in is consciousness. The nature of consciousness is to get more twisty and knotty and self referential as it becomes more and more aware of itself - the crystal expands and gains more and more structure. But the power of consciousness is unlimited and it can disolve that crystal whenever it wants to and poof! You're gone. God carries on.

The very fabric of reality is Love. Love , consciousness and nothingness are synonymous. Divinity is synonymous. That's why if you ever become consciousness itself (you already are, but by becoming directly conscious of it) you will become Bliss/Love/Divinity.

@Leo Gura Love. ? "To share itself with itself" is a way better description of my interpretation of "spark" and "interaction." How do you define illusion? Why did these specific illusions manifest as such? Towards love? Would you describe Love to be synonymous with Harmony, and Balance? Or an entity alone? Is Nothingness PURE Love? *Also, thank you for your time, collective thought, and input. I really enjoy the "illusion" this forum brings as I share, and everone else shares there parts (Basically God/Universe be Sharin' collectively). It helps me get a deeper understanding of Love and feel more connected to the whole. ❤?

Why does the infinite imagine itself as a trillion finite selves to make creation? Does it? Would it not create without this illusion, in and of itself? I almost feel as if you are assuming the illusion of the finite. (Not accepting it, but assuming it) There are no finite selves at all. The illusion does not exist. There instead seems to only be observation and momentum. The whole observes itself in every aspect of itself expanding. I, the whole, observe myself as "you," and myself as "me" happening as interactions. Moment. Moment. Moment. CONSTANTLY. "I" simply am what I am. Forever expanding observation. Not illusion. Illusion implies falseness. Illusion: "a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses" What is happening as the infinite in it's observations is not false..it simply IS as the whole. (I think that's how duality and non-duality debates begin. Duality is not interpreting falsely. Duality is simply the observation of the non-duality. Both are observation and moments.) The Infinite purely seems to be growing, and as it grows it simply fills itself with observation of what it has now become. That observation appears and expands into many, many, moments. Time. You are not you, and I am not me, we are simply moments of the whole. We are evolving time. We are the universe. We are happening as one whole entire energy. Observation of the infinite flow IS the forever expanding spark of nothingness.

@V-8 Yes there are different levels of awakening. Awakening from mind. The realization that you are nothingness. Awakening of the heart. The boundries of separation dissolve and you realize you are everything. The awakening from gut. The realization of being something. The awakening to the body.

One curious difference between my model and what Leo has been saying is that in my model consciousness is a property of difference observing itself. And Leo's explanation, if I have understood it correctly, says that difference is a property of consciousness. If so, which explanation is correct? Maybe they are the same just like how left and right define each other. If not, then I prefer my explanation because Leo's brings in the concept of nothingness which is redundant in my model. Difference observing itself is a platonic form/structure/principle or a "no-thing", but not nothing.

This is a very helpful conversation that you are having; I have been exploring these thoughts for some time. After having done several Ayahuasca trips and touching the space/void of non-duality, nothingness and several different dimensions, I have struggled to make sense of the oneness/God consciousness and how that relates to human consciousness, awakened or not. I have been toying with some of the thoughts that entered my awareness the last few months on how God has divided his consciousness in a hierarch of sorts, that allows for different levels of awareness/consciousness to explore infinite forms/non-forms of beingness. Whether the forms of beingness are 3D,4D, 5D (or whatever forms of beingness there are), it is still God consciousness, but it is intentionally partitioned, separated into distinctions from other forms of consciousness within each layer/level and from the partitioned/separated/distinct begins within. The 3D experience we are currently experience is just one of an infinite 3D worlds and dimensions experienced throughout the Cosmos. Each one is connected with ours within the greater consciousness, but with defined laws, boundaries and firewalls to preserve the integrity of Gods creative consciousness to explore itself. We are purposely partitioned, separated, distinctions from each other and the world around us to explore the meaning of life in the physical realm. We are in this small video game with defined boundaries, rules and firewalls, but with some freedom to determine and create our personal, cultural, collective and universal dreams and conscious levels. To think otherwise, would be to believe God is limited, and has limited power to separate itself into fractal/partitioned spaces of conscious, and to believe God does not have the power or creativity to allow fractal/partitioned spaces the ability to have contained conscious freedom to explore and create experiences of beingness……. When I did touch the space/void of non-duality, nothingness and several different dimensions or existences, I was not granted the full and complete access to the main hard drive. In other words, I received an infinitesimal small taste of God consciousness, not the full meal deal. I think a lot of humans fool themselves believing they have gain full consciousness and awareness of God. This video game of Reality we are in is not designed for full God consciousness, but it is designed for us to become conscious of ourselves, conscious of this reality/game, and a taste of the greater consciousness beyond this reality that has many more levels for us to play in, explore and create. Having said that, my life purpose, with the awareness and consciousness I have obtain thus far, is to embody the consciousness of who and what I am, to embody duality and non-duality, embody the oneness of the everything, and most importantly to Explore and Co-create within this reality with more Gratitude and Love… Just some thoughts! Row, row, row your boat Gently down the stream Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily Life is but a Dream…

Sorry but that's complete nonsense. You never understood what he meant by Love. It's the intimate Nothingness. His work goes so so so much more deeper than most non dual teachings. Recontextualization of Love is something incredibly valuable on the path to self realization. And very necessary to have a complete realization. Any teaching that has no love in it is incomplete. Edit: if you followed him, you would know that true love means also to love the complete matrix structure in your ego identity. What he means by love is not a goal oriented process lmao. It is not to achieve anything. Its the recognition of your true intimate state. The path of Love (if to be walked effectively) is one of utmost integrity. This is where it coincides with Truth. His teachings are infected with Truth without him mentioning the word even once. No teacher is perfect of course. But people clearly havent understood his message. Not by a long shot.

The point, for me at least, is not to kill or even transcend the ego, it's simply becoming conscious of what it is. You will find ultimately that it is not. You are pure nothingness, pure emptiness, pure formlessness. That's one aspect of yourself. You are also total awake awarness. Totally conscious. Dissolve any possible seperation between yourself and The One, all this is mind-created. The One aka God is none other than YOU. You are none other than The One. But becoming conscious of this requires that you first get a direct connection with your Self/God. Follow the process of Self-inqury and meditation, let yourself show itself the way ? As God told Bayazid Bastami, "Leave yourself and come." There is one distraction and that is the mind. Become conscious of this fact, become conscious of how it literally creates falsehood, entire realities. The remedy is to empty your mind, empty it until nothing is left. Become the Supreme witness and observer of the mind, not attached to it, not identified with it. Simply observing it's creations come and go, being completely neutral to them, letting them come and go, for you are not your mind. You are not your body, you are not your personality. You are Nothing=God.

I played around with the machine elves for a bit but you eventually tap into your higher self and realize oneness, there is only one of us here and they all vanish in that moment of realization into nothingness and you are only left with yourself. One infinite energy. Machine elves are there to help those who don't truly know themselves as fundamentally as others, as for when you truly know the SELF, all illusions regardless of dimension of space/time cease to exist and oneness is experienced directly as yourself, through yourself. I guess you could say the superconsciousness creates them as guides and assistance for those who are more integrated within the human mind/complex, to believe in something when it appears as a higher power or energy thus becomes more easily acceptable to surrender to a higher divine energy but when one knows his own divinity there is of no need for any extensions or distortions to manifest. That's how i see it at least, i haven't delved in a long while because i got the message so i am enjoying the playfulness of life because at the end of the day, there is no escaping the eternal self. I find more growth and gradual integration in milder doses of mushrooms and cannabis from time to time and especially in nature paired with meditative, trance and spiritual practice. Its all for play nowadays Infinite Love.

@MNR Mackey If he is texting you or calling you, don't respond anymore. Remove him from your contact lists. Disable notifications for his contact on your phone and social media. He should have nothing to do with you anymore. If I were in your place, I'd have been very angry and reasonably so. He has no right to talk to you anymore. Do not give him this privilege. Totally ghost him. Him being in your life will only make things worse. It will impact your self esteem and cause you despair and distress. There are people in our lives that always cause us sorrow. Best is to cut them out. They dont deserve our attention or affection. They deserve nothingness. Put him out of your life immediately.

Maybe I will see you Maybe I will see you from the other side of the door Maybe I will know you by the edge of the shore Maybe we'll meet In the sky among the stars Maybe we'll just be a flower in the sod And when my hair flows on my skin And when the wind lightly blows on my face I see the sky with purple and red and the fire dancing on my eyes and I sing and feel all my beings and others are whispering into me and I feel your love into heaven on earth and I know my life is complete and I see you standing by the fire with the light blowing on your face and your rope that cross in the yellow and the gold in the fire with warmth and you flow with the wind as life passes you by and when time gets you down you go up and you smile and your beauty your grace took me away into a land of unknown and a song I embrace and I dance moving my head my hair flowing wild and free and I feel your presents under the stars and the moon I know you are I know who you are and this moment of time will never begone eternally present forever and ever and as we grow up and grow old and die we will look back and see the fire and the sky and when we sing the song of life and love forever and ever without a breath then we will dance in that divine void forever and ever until we are all one and when I feel my love for you I know I know I know and when I feel your love for me I know I know I know I am here with you and forever and ever without tears and as the stars align as the universe stays we'll both be in each other's arms much to one perhaps you see the fire that we're in the beauty and grace of this life and when you feel the wet tears down your face as I know your love in my heart and maybe it will rain and maybe it will snow and maybe the sun will never comeback and maybe we'll die and maybe the sky will become so so so! so real...real- reality reality! reality!! as love and you and me and all reality our reality in god! is infinite love is just you and me and all the things and we dance and we cry we laugh and we fight through the eternal soul and perhaps today you can look me in the eyes and tell me the words that you are here to say so that I can remember who I am so I can be of your love and in that nothingness we sing of this song of us of life of death and when we say the words the truth we say we say we say we say we sing we sing this song of life and we know that we are all just one and we know we are we love and live we die we cry we sing this song of life

Every word is a pointer to something. The word car for example. Perhaps a picture popped into your mind? That's because your mind knows what a car is. It can relate the word car to the actual thing. Now take the words Infinity, nothingness and non dual awareness. What is being pointed to here? Whatever these words point to is prior to the mind. The mind does not experience it but it experiences the mind. And yet the mind is used to describe it. And the mind is used understand the description.

Ive studied NDEs in depth in an attempt to determine their validity. I believe that to dismiss them as physical process in the brain would be an epistemological error - a violation of Occam's Razor. Someone that believes that they should just awaken, and exist in their awareness of the present moment until physical death dissolves them into nothingness is going to live their life very differently from someone that believes that they must learn and grow as much as they can in this life time, with no time to waste. For this reason, I think its an important consideration. I like this podcast. The host has a wide, balanced knowledge of both Eastern Esotericism and Western Esotericism. The woman he interviews was walking into her synagogue with her family one day and got struck by lightning. She describes here NDE, the absence of linear time, etc. She says that she found that all people have a "guide", and after one has learned what they need to learn in physical incarnations, will become a guide themselves. This echos what many mediums say that spirits tell them. She also explains why people from different cultures have different experiences depending on their cultural expectations. She does state that she feels her "mission" is to tell people that they dont need to fear death. My rationalist part of me tends to reject this due to the delusion by our tendencies to believe what makes us feel good BUT from her perspective, she is just relaying what is true. I have never posted a video before but for anyone interested in the subject, they might find this interesting:

Part 1 Footprints to Ox's tail ☯️ Part 2 Riding the Ox Backwards Part 3 The Cloth Bag Monk This is what I got from those clips: God (No-self, nothingness, no external environment, no embodiment, the absolute, Truth) --> Everythingness (You literally become everything.) --> Godhead (Singularity, white/black hole, Riding the Ox Backwards, flow) --> To love realm --> Ego: embodiment in mind, body, world, universe (The arrow means transformation. When this is occurring, there is no distance between you, the absolute, and everything else. There are no dimensions. Everything is one all the time. I said "white hole" only because everythingness came together and formed a singularity. So, it looks "white.") God's Arrow Going from God, to singularity, to ego. Always happening. Always going through us. Traps What is interesting to me is, he mentioned the Power of Realms trap. To me, this means being hooked on pursuing anything in the "everythingness realm," or being obsessed with it. Realms are phenomena. They are infinite. There are just more and more. If there's no realm, then that's God because everything is one. God is not a realm. In one ear and out the other...this is one of my favorite. How are you going to pass on the message once you get it? The other yous will not listen. Too woo-woo for "them." Even Shinzen Young is using metaphors to describe it. Once you become one with everything, everything is you. While you are God, you will understand that the experience is not grandiose. How can it be grandiose? It's just you, and only you, God, exists, and transforming into yourself by yourself without separation. It's only when you embody back into your ego that you'll think that it's grandiose. Initially, you may think that the experience is "big" and you're "small." This is the mind misinterpreting the experience. The experience literally has no separation or distance. Please share insights.

Hello, About 1 month ago, my girlfriend and I had an LSD trip, quite a low dose (125 micro-g). But this time it got really far. While we were lying down in bed (+- @ T+3h), I totally passed out from this reality for some minutes. (I totally understood how karma “works”, how everything has a consequence and so on, how consequences are “formed”.) Then, some minutes later I came back, a little panicky. I looked at my girlfriend an I saw myself in here. I told here “you are me and I am you”. I often had some kind of this feeling, but this time it was much different, this time it felt that the whole “reality” had “collapsed”. I asked her for a hug, and we hugged. It felt strange (for both of us), it was like hugging some kind of “nothingness”. Like that the only thing which exists would be nothing more than some “line”, the line which represents the separation between my inner world and my outer world, the rest all an illusion. This time I totally felt the meaningless of everything, that it’s no point in hugging someone, no point in having sex, no point in drinking water, no point in doing what so ever. That I was never born, that there are no parents, that there is only me. I talked to here, she felt the same. What now became really strange, after this I totally knew how she would move, what she would reply to my questions. Again, she had the same impression. We came to a moment when it felt that we both were talking exactly the same thing (like a mirror) to each other. It felt like all of “realty” had collapsed. I started to panic a little more. I had the feeling that now because I have “understood it all” it will stay this way, I wanted my “limitations” & “separation” back. After some time, the boundaries started to come back, somehow, I felt like I’m going totally crazy. I told my girlfriend that I want to take a benzo to come down, even if I know that it doesn’t change what I’ve seen (I was 100% sure it wouldn't change anything at all, even my girlfriend was like “you can take some but it will not change anything at all, we now have seen what ‘is’, and nothing can change this”.). Ok, I took a benzo, it didn’t change anything, it just took some of the fear away. (1 week later I took about 12mg 5-MEO-DMT, it showed me “unconditional love”, some kind of a “orgasmic feeling” in the whole body for about 30 minutes. I again knew everything is “ok”,) Now, some weeks after the trip I became a little more “normal” again. I still remember what I’ve see, but I don’t feel it so much anymore. I still know that everything “was” one, but don’t feel it all the time. What I find really strange after this experience I think “reality” has changed somehow. There are strange synchronicities happening to my girlfriend and me. We see more “instant-karma” happening, in such moments we feel quite deeply again what we felt during the trip. We still have problems integrating this experience. She fears that there is “something bigger” having control over her (like she’s a “brain in a box”). My ego has problems integrating that I’m somehow “all alone” and I’m asking myself what this “reality” is. If there is just my perspective and the dualities are “inner world, outer world”. Or that those people around me are “people like me”. (My ego would prefer the second one.) (Yes, it’s somehow “funny” writing about this here, feeling that it’s quite possible that everything is one/me.) Maybe some of you had some equally “extreme” experiences. How have you positively integrated some of this? Right now I’m contemplating if I have to go deeper, if I need some time or if I should stop. I feel attracted by the search for the “Truth”, but I also have a lot of fear about what can happen (what I can “see”). Greetings, C.

Just like in Leos video about becoming infinite, what does it feel like on a practical level being infinite in infinite dimensions all happening at the same time- I understand it’s probably overwhelming and you have to experience it to truly know, but I mean like do you literally feel as though you become or embody literally everything simultaneously? And instead of a sequence of events you just experience it all at once in the now? Or is it a nothingness experience and within that you’re able to imagine all scenarios at once? What’s the first person experience of infinity? How is the infinity being “perceived”? What happens when you just become directly aware of infinity?

I've been feeling kind of depressed recently during the day. At night it's ok because i do yoga and then smoke weed and meditate, but throughout the day I just feel off and I think it will be good to express my feelings fully here. I am starting to feel more comfortable expressing myself on this forum, and I think i need to some sort of mind dump to get everything off my chest. I'm going to do everything in bullet form basically and try and express the feeling as concisely as i can. I hate law school. Ok, it's not that i hate it it's just i don't like being there and i feeling like i'm wasting my time. I know i don't want to practice law, and it's hard to motivate myself to do the work and try my best. I literally don't give a fuck about the law at all, i want to start a business and do what i want. I also don't know if this is just my resistance to doing the work. Am i just fucking afraid of sitting down and studying?? It's not hard to pass in law school, and i can probably get by barely doing any work, but then why the fuck am I here. I have exams coming up, and 5 of the 6 are help not hurt so it literally doesn't matter how i do on them. The ONLY reason i care about these exams is because i don't want to tell my friends i failed exams and have them think down on me. But at the same time all of this shit is just in my fucking head so who cares? I love my lifestyle outside of law school though. My fucking life is funded, i can do anything... I can go anywhere.... But i'm still not happy and content. I'm making great progress with meditation and i feel like i'd literally be happier if i was sitting in a cave all day because I know i can just keep coming back to the nothingness inside that i'm uncovering. But that's fucking bull shit. I know i can be happy here, but i'm not. This is the main motivation for staying in law school, my life outside law school is very conducive to spiritual progress. I can literally spend all day meditating and ordering take out, and do whatever I want. I'm so blessed, but why don't i feel fucking blessed. My parents are so generous to me because they don't want me to be a loser, like my brother. But i feel like i'd be making so much more progress if i was working with them part time, and pursuing online businesses and spirituality in my spare time. They won't accept that. And honestly i don't even accept that, i'm afraid of people calling me and thinking of me as a failure or a loser for dropping out. But who cares? There opinions mean nothing. I feel like i have the answers here, but my family is too blind to help me uncover it. Why can't my family just say hey that's a great idea you can self actualize and work a bit, and we will support you. I am too dependent on my family. I should be supporting my self. That's what they truly want is for me to be self sufficient. But that gets me back to law school. I am not going to be a fucking lawyer. I told them this. And they just get nervous and say keep going because they think i will change my mind and say no mom and dad i fucking love being a lawyer, my dream is to work 50 hours a week for someone else's law firm while i do busy paper work all day everyday. That's so fucking awesome right guys? That's the future you want for me? I can't even blame them at all, my dad's a fucking farmer he works 100 hours a week in the summers. Like hard fucking work. How would he understand what i'm going after with spirituality. The guy has no clue. I think i'm ready for a girlfriend. But i just don't meet girls i'm super attracted too. Today on the bus i saw a really pretty girl, she made me a feel a certain way. I get a certain feeling from some girls and i want to meet someone that gives me that feeling. There are some girls in my yoga class that i think are interested in me, i notice how they wait for me after class because i always take the longest to leave. But idk i just don't find them that attractive. Do i just try and date them? Will i learn to love them over time? I'm afraid i'm going to get in a relationship and then meet someone better in a few days. I have such high expectations who can live up? I want to find her really attractive, i want her to be somewhat smart, kind, rich, well put together. Anything else i feel like i would be wasting my time. I'm just waiting for her to come to me, but at the same time i need to take responsibility. i have no idea what to do in this space. I'm 24 and i've never had a girlfriend. It doesn't bother me, but it's obviously a sign something is off with my ego. I have a major issue with taking responsibility. I do not feel in control of my own life. It's always about my mind, my family, my fucking problems. But what is personal responsibility? When i think of taking responsibility I feel so much resistance and pain. When i go to meditate it feels effortless and feels right. Shouldn't responsibility come naturally and effortlessly? I'm going to be working with Nahm soon. I know he's going to stress the importance of personal responsibility. I'm very excited to work with him. I've always thought life coaches were stupid and only hippy losers did this is as a job. But Nahm is the man. He started business before doing this work. That is my goal too. Become financially independent and then come back here and help people like Nahm is helping me. I was very resistant to the idea of life coaching only a few months ago, i think it will be very beneficial to me. i hope anyways.

I recently i discovered the spiritual talker 'Sergi Torres', I don´t know how awakened he is but it surprised me how profounds his talks are. He still needs to get better at trying to talk more simple to audiences, sometimes it´s explanations end up in a "strange loop" as Leo used to say LOL But to be honest yeah I think he way more profound that Mooji´s talk for example (which I still love by the way but sometimes he can get some times too tiring on the "nothingness" and you can´t get from him other teaching that that one) Here´s a talk I was watching tonight: SERGI TORRES - TEATRE GOYA - "La libertad de pensamiento" Anyone has listened to him? Do you think this kind of videos are actuallly practical or are actually just losing your time? 99% i think its just wasting time but I have to say sometimes with this guy somethings resonate with me in a more profound level and actually will make me start self-inquiry seriously about some topic

That sounds mad lol So what nothingness, are you simultaneously experiencing nothing? And I’m guessing all parallel universes as well? So It’s not focused on one particular distinction, so you wouldn’t feel being a planet per se by itself, it’ll be merged with the experience of being everything else as well? Is it possible to focus in one experience, say one that’s currently incomprehendable to us? Like why can’t someone experience infinity and then bring back knowledge to be immortal, for example, from a universe where myself as in individual had already discovered it and it was transferable to our universe, since that would be within the realm of all possibility. Or is it just out of control and you just have to surrender? or is it something like because it’s too short lived generally?

Pain is located nowhere, like everything else. It is an effect created by awareness, within awareness. A good method to transform uncomfortable, stuck energy is breathwork. Breathe into your feelings. Make space. Observe them loose grip and slowly fade into nothingness. And if something hurts really bad, go see a doctor.

@Raptorsin7 Maybe, you never know unless you start inquiring. Some people love to spend the holidays at retreat centres because they live alone and love the silence. I have made many friends at retreat centres and I know that there are cancellations all the time. How about the Easter break? Another way to do this is to spend a year travelling and working in as many different types of jobs you can. You may not necessarily get a feel for what you want to do, but you will get a feel for what you don't want to do. Then you can spend time in solitude really relaxing into nothingness and see what comes up. I hear you about the online business thing.