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I think you will be doing fine. There is nothing to loose but an illusion. >To let go everything is very difficult and scary. But don't ot let go, is a jail. I understand you very well. Several years ago, I had a dream. That was before deeper insights into reality happened. I died multiple times in that dream (literally, by falling, smashing, other funny stuff also), and the visual field went off, only a darkness suffused with light remained. Not the usual blackout (unaware of itself), but an infinite Nothingness suffused with light remained. That was a causal state (using Ken Wilbers terminology), which I later realized. A state quite near to Absolute Reality (meaning easy to intuit the properties of Absolute Reality. Absolute Reality is always here, but sometimes more easy to intuit), but not unaware like Deep Sleep. Nothing there, Infinite, but still somehow aware (suffused with light). That happened multiple times, and during one of the last deaths, I got a bit cocky, saying to myself something like "okaaay, now show me if I can really die. Lets do this again". Dream-Death, and again the same time this causal state of an infinite Nothingness suffused with light appeared. Then, again I died, this Nothingness suffused with light. No objects, no time. A few seconds or a vastly longer time, I couldn't tell. Timeless. It was the same timeless Always Here Mind that I intuited/realized later more clearer. Then I woke up to "real" life, again passing through this Infinite Nothingness suffused with light. What somehow went with all of that was somehow the fear of dying all those "Enlightenment" Deaths, of being Nothing at all, Impersonal, an infinite vast reality perceiving itself. When it began happening to become really more and more impersonal, like beyond my comfort zone, I was a bit shocked like "okay, impersonal? really? Not "myself", the character?" But soon I knew again and realized what would always remain, being that which could never not be there. Indestructable, totally empty, like "no-moving-parts". Eternal. But with the potential for sentience, and to become/manifest anything IT wanted. Independend if a Dinosaur, another human, an animal, or whatever else would manifest in my mindstream/perspective as subject in another illusion/Lila. I even became grateful when a dream appeared that was not lucid, like the fun/experience of having the chance to believe such an illusion again. That took away the fear of being less than lucid once more. So the after-glow of remembering that dream ended a phase pretty fast that could have been prolonged for sure. Nowadays, I am very thankful for that dream, although I only recognized its meaning, significance and effects much later, when significant parts of the separate self died, or rather got seen through for the illusions that they were. Bon voyage! Water by the River

Actually, I am in the lucky situation that I never will be needing to charge anything for the stuff I am selling. So technically, its not selling. More like annoying with meditation-propaganda... . And no, no rich parents Selling Water by the River is the title of a book and the statement of a Zen Master, meaning that when one is talking about meditation/Enlightenment, one is sneakely "selling" the people what they already have/are: "Water by the River". I went a bit over the top with the length of a posting I just made: In that, concerning the nature of thoughts: And maybe one more perspective: Thoughts are subtle objects, appearing and "moving" in you. WIth practice, a certain directionality/movement gets intuited, as strange as that sounds. Another subtle object is the mathmatical object of the square-root of minus 1, in mathematics called "i". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit You can never see it, but it exists, as mathematical object. If you ever had to do alternating current calculation using complex numbers like i, as yours truly had to do quite some time ago , the usefulness of "i" and other stuff becomes apparent pretty fast. So, "i" is real, but you can never see it. A subtle object. Can be understood, experienced, can be calculated with, has useful applications doing so in the "real" world. And you can never talk about i and doing the practical stuff with others who had the experience of understanding what i is. And sorry in advance, but I can't avoid doing that : For the all-is-imaginary-fanclub: Here you have "real" imagined numbers ("i"). Here it is completely technically correct to talk about "it is all imaginary". Because who in his right mind would be strange enough to define the imaginary number i, the impossible square root of minus 1. The only thing I am waiting for is for one of the "all-is-imaginary-fanclub" to actually start doing calculations in the imaginary unit and complex number plane, and then "correctly" saying: It is all imaginary. Sorry for the little disgression. So what is "i"? A subtle object, floating in you like a thought. "i" is an object, some thoughts of you are already an object you can work with. Some are not, you look through them like a lense, a subjective arising. Meditation is making all (I-)thoughts and I-feelings also to objects you see moving within yourself. They move in you, but you are (not only) them.... If you know the nature of thoughts fully (their essence is Nothingness, or Infinite Empty Impersonal Consciousness), you would be enlightened and know and understand the true Nature both of yourself and Reality. The essence or nature of any appearance in the visual field can also be directly apprehended as the same Nothingness, the same Suchness of Reality. So it is well worth it... Selling Water by the River

Hi Ayham, I remember that very well. Facing everything the separate-self can throw at you head on.... And it can throw a lot... Maya is not letting one off the hook easily... The Game-Changer for me was the book "Pointing Out the Great Way, Daniel Brown". At least for me personally, 95% of the meditation system out there would have never worked for me. They would have been too unpleasant, or needing more much willpower. Or I would have get stuck in the several traps there are, where ones practice can "bottom out", and lead nowhere.... So I can not highly enough express my gratitude for the heroic pioneering effort of Daniel Brown translating all these books, and getting the (in my opinion) most sophisticated meditation system of the planet to the West. It has been practiced and refined for hundreds of years, developed further, elaborated in hundreds of Tibetan Books, producing a steady stream if deeply enlightened beings. It achieves a precision of technical vocabulary in the stage decriptions of evolving meditation, meditation experiences, resulting understandings and insights about ones mindstream and Reality emerging at different stages like nothing I have ever seen, and I studied more or less all major meditation systems, reading a few hundreds of books. The book is several hundreds of pages. It lead to me awe and deep respect of the Mahamudra-System when realizing at certain stages that I just had experienced the exact same flow of meditation experiences and understandings/insights than Tibetan meditators hundreds of years ago. Of course I can't summarize a few hundred pages of the book with the musings below. But I try to give a first taste of the system, with some personal experiences with it, and how it all developed for me, just to show off how great and oh so wonderful I am . No, just kidding... Because I would have loved to have had something like a"user experience" with certain meditation systems like that 15 years ago, to get a feeling for a certain path, and the experiences others are having with it. Concentrative Meditation: I would recommend starting with concentrative meditation, the Elephant Path (all Tibetan schools use it). There are several stages of concentrative meditation that must be mastered, and tools learned doing it. They are very well described in Pointing out the Great Way, and "The Elephant Path: Attention Development and Training in Children and Adolescents", in the chapter of Daniel Brown. Here is explicitely stated what one learnes while learning concentrative meditation. By the way, that system is in my humble oinion more sophisticated than Zen or Vipassana, because it includes techniques like easing up and intensifying. That is essential for making it efficient, and these techniques are just not there in Vipassana and Zen. These aspects (easing up and intensifying) one learns there by conincidence, or not at all. In the beginning, you don't stay long on the meditation object (breath, stone, candle, not so important), but just catch yourself when you have wandered off, your monkey mind taking you on a ride and elaborating something else. Now: Don't put negative reaction/feedback on that, but move attention/focus back. You can only control focus/attention, you can't force what thoughts emerge. So meditation is always moving attention back from wandering off, and the more you do that, the more pliant the mind becomes: Less wandering off, and if wandered off much faster to move it back. And when that goes quite well with a little bit less wandering off or loosing attention. Then, when its more automatic, you "ease up", which means you use less energy and focus, and see if you can stay on the object. If yes, good: Ease Up. Easing Up brings more clarity to what else goes on in the mindstream. Which lets you notice more of the subtler arisings of the mindstream emerging. When you drift off more than, then intensify: Inhale strongly, increase focus, energize. And see then if you stay more on the object. If you do, ease up. Find the optimum energy balance you need to stay on the object. One balances easing up and intensifying then.... Then your clarity will increase, your energy will become nice, joy can start to arise. And then you do that for a few months, a year.... Meditation Experiences of Clarity, Lucidity, Bliss and Non-conceptuality (silent mind) can occur, but also go again. They are just experiences passing in you. This way, you train your focus and make your mind pliant. When you can stay on the objects for a few minutes without totally getting lost in elaborated thoughts, and keep some focus on the object while wandering off in thought a bit, you have partial staying.... at some point you have pretty good staying on the object for a few minutes. Meditation without an object: Then comes a big change, that you can start doing then: Change to the Mindstream of thoughts itself as meditation object. And try to stay mindful of the mind watching that mindstream. If you can keep doing that (which takes a long time), you can start taking the meditation into daily life. Investigating the Nature of thoughts: See Pointing Out the Great Way for that. Thoughts are no different than consciousness, which is empty/nothing, yet has clarity/awareness, so its not a nothing at all. If you look into a thought, you don't find it, it disappears. Is cut off. One can never see or find a thought. Looking into a thought, an experience of un-findability arises. Empty, nothing specific. But with clear alert awareness of consciousness. Empty and aware. Nothingness, yet something that is not nothing. Nothingness. Emptiness. Consciousness. And more important: When really looking into the nature of a thought, it evaporates. Is cut off. Disappears. Reveals its nature of emptiness. With exactly that phenomenon is worked in the "Skill of Recognition", see below. Doesn't that effect appear as very useful to get thoughts and the mindstream under control? Of course! That effect of the thought evaporating, revealing its nature as Nothingness/Consciousness when looking into it, and generalizing that oberservation and understanding on the whole mindstream and all events it contains and can contain. That is understanding the continuum of the mindstream. The nature of thoughts. You don't control the thoughts which arise, that is why you/the person is also empty, a concept. Because what are you, if you don't even control your thoughts, and what thoughts arise? After having mastered Concentrative meditation, and having understood (contemplation) the nature of thoughts as consciousness/awareness/emptiness/suchness/Nothingness, you can put that into practice: Skill of Recognition: (1. Yoga of Mahamudra system) Now it gets interesting. That was the decisivepoint for me once I understood that, and implemented it. Afterwards, it started to get nondual pretty soon... If you look HOW the thoughts emerge, (1) out of what they emerge, (2) what they are, (3) in what they move (4) into what they disappear ALL of that (1)(2)(3)(4) must be present. Thoughts DO appear. From "something". Stay in "something". Consisting of "something" All of that is Emptiness, or Consciousness, or Nothingness. Thoughts are made of "that","move in that", "dissolve into that". and you will never SEE that, or can say what it is. Nothing. But not a blank nothing. An aware Nothing. Actually the essence of all world-appearances, but that comes later, when it gets nondual, at the Yoga of One Taste. What happens if you investigate into emerging thoughts this way, is that they get FASTER. VERY FAST. Like 20-30 emergent thoughts/feeling arisings per second, most of them rudimentary. The mind does this to keep the illusion going. To make it too fast for you. But at some point, you learned to get that fast also... Basically, looking into a thought, one sees its Emptiness/Nothingness (one doesn't find the thought, it evaporates). It is cut off. Dzogchen calls this cutting off "Trekchö". Daniel Brown called this stage a "High Speed Search Task into the unfindability of the nature of thoughts". A High Speed Search task into their emptiness, into their nature as consciousness, as Nothingness. So the emerging gets fast, very fast. Daniel Ingram also mentions that. But at some point, with enough practice and familiarity, YOU get faster. You spot and cut off every very fast, subtle, fragmentary thought arising. None of them "grips" you anymore, since you have seen them all, and their structure. Just thoughts arising very fast. You don't control which thoughts arise. Depended origination, they are just emerging by themselves. You can focus on just their arising (of thoughts), just their staying, just their going away. At some point, they just emerge, looking into their nature is automatic, and they immediately dissolve. No duration. Just emergence, and poof gone. And when you are fast enough, you get a continuance of staying mindful. When that happens its pretty clear what happened. Your attention got so fast that you can stay mindful even through the high-speed thought emergence. At the end, they come very fast, they don't get "elaborated out". Thinking, or elaborating the thoughts out, is slower than their emergence. They emerge already fully complete with their content, and then slowly get "talked/elaborated" in your mind. Natural reaction: So WHO the f*** am I (pardon my french) when I don't control what thoughts emerge and if they appear fully with their content in a fraction of a second, and get elaborated later in a hypnotic show over several second? good question... to be answered later. Outcome is: You know the nature of every possible thought (Consciousness-Emptiness-Nothingness), of the whole mental-continuum of thoughts, all that there can be. Their nature. you can cut off or transcend/just watch your normal mindstream in most daily situations without getting caught up/hypnotized by it, which already here leads to a lot of bliss. Not sufficient bliss to get ones separate self completely handled, but already quite wonderful. That is the start of real freedom. You know how your mindstream hypnotizes you, and gets faster when you actually look into each thought arising and its nature. At some point you get fast enough to cut off every arising, or let it elaborate in a controlled aka mindful way. Yoga of Unelaboration (2. Yoga of Mahamudra-System) Here, you finish off with time. You open up the eternal always here mind. Past and future become deeply understood as imagined/manifested right here and now, not really existing. Only the eternal now exists. Not as idea, as concept, as understanding, but as felt and lived reality. Deeply realized. Always Here. Eternal. How ones True Being can be immortal/eternal/always here becomes a very real possibility here. Later on, the emerging possibility "of how that could work" become validated beyond any possible doubt. Pointing Out the Great Way: "From where does the first mind-moment [the thought-arising] arise? Then, where does it stay? Finally, where does it go when it stops? The "mind" in which all this is happening is Always Here. Always Here Mind. Time is not "out there", self-existing. You only notice time because of change, of emerging thoughts and appearances. time is a mere construct/concept. No change of appearances/thoughts, no time. "One" doesn't control the content of the emergent thoughts "Through dependent origination certain propensities [thought capsules with their full content already "inside" emerge] at the very subtle level ripen into subtle movements within the temporal mental continuum, which in turn become constructed into and elaborated as coarse-level thoughts [get elaborated into long thoughts that get told in awareness over several seconds] and appearances" dependend origination: "one" doesn't control which thoughts emerge. "The skilled meditator can view events transforming from very subtle propensities to specific subtle mind-moments and constructed coarse thoughts and appearances seeming to arise and pass in the temporal mental continuum through a process of dependent origination" Seeing and understanding the emergence of the thoughts (fully formed out with all their content, but not yet elaborated in the mindstream, emerging in the Always Here Mind), and seeing this in real-time because ones attention got fast enough, is a game-changer. That stage is very hard to fully understand in Pointing Out the Great Way. At least for me, it took me a long time. . I would have been faster with coaching.... Yoga of One Taste (3. Yoga of Mahamudra System) So here it gets nondual and mere appearance, floating in Nothingness. No more a solid and external/duality reality "out there" anymore. But an infinite limitless field of Infinite Consciousness, manifesting an appearing world of mere appearances arising in it. A loving blissful boundless timeless field of bright lucid Awakened Awareness. This is where probably (my pet-theory) the Endohuasca-System starts working. https://dmtquest.org/endohuasca-magic/ The practice is basically taking the insights of stage 2 and putting them into practice, specifically also in daily everyday life. With that, one gets enough time and momentum in meditation to really make the difference, to get it nondual. To make all that with sitting meditation on the pillow, at least for me it would have been a full-time job. And I did a demanding career and some other stuff in the meantime also... The view taken all thoughts/mental events emerge in the Always Here Mind, or Simultaneous Mind (which means nondual). same with all world appearances. The essence of all thoughts is emptiness/consciousness, and the essence of all visual field appearances is also emptiness/appearance/consciousness. That is called the "One Taste" of every arising (thought or world-appearance). Nondual in other words. and being aware of the emerging high-speed stream of thoughts emerging already with full content, but getting elaborated in the seconds following, and cutting off most of the emergent thoughts by looking into their nature, which has been automized by this point enough clarity and mindfulness is generated that at some point The Visual Field/"world": Becomes mere appearance and infinite/limitless becomes mere appearance appearances 1) the world no longer feels "out-there". Everything arising just arises in oneself. 2) appearances loose their solidity. One can not tell if they are solid "objects" out there, or just appearances happening in the timeless Always-Here-Mind 3) At some point later, with a lot of meditation-mindfulness-momentum, the "inside" feeling as pure empty awareness, a very transparent witness, but not even that because the awareness is no longer separate: the visual field becomes really mere appearance. One looks at something, and its just appearance hovering in Nothingness. You feel into it, and its essence is the same as the indescripbable Nothingness behind ones head. luminous mere appearances, very similiar to trip-descriptions. the limit of the visual field, and the wondering of "what is behind it", become limitless or infinite there is "nothing" behind it. One just imagines a border/boundary of the visual field one imagines that something must be behind it (like 3D-Space continues". No, 3D-space is imagined in dimensionless Nothingness/Infinite Consciousness. 3D-Space is not self-existing, dangling out there. That was a biggie for me, took a long time to get, and could have been much faster with coaching. Guess I am quite a visual person Time is gone. Timeless Everything can only happen here, and now Past is imagined here and now , future also here and now the "subject"/"me", the separate self Gestalt/arisings, feeling and being separate from the whole Reality, slowly gets transcended and dissolves, more and more aspects of the person/separate self are seen as arisings moving within oneself. finally, after a long path of transcending every identity/I-thought/I-feeling of the Ego/Body-Mind/character, it becomes a transparent witness, nothing but still something witnessing the visual field. At some point, One can't tell AT ALL what one is, nothing positive is left. I am not the body/person, anything. Only aware Emptiness. But somehow some murky Witness or something like that still there. One literally doesn't know what one is, besides the nondual field... One becomes the visual field of mere appearance, one is that in a nondual way. any sense of location or center slowly dissolves. One becomes the whole boundless timeless field of mere empty, groundless appearance. Sometimes lucid and shimmering, like mere appearance. Some traditions call that already Enlightenment, or Kensho/Satori/Awakening. And it is in some way. But Nonduality is not already Full or Great Enlightenment, where there is absolutely no doubt about ones nature, and the nature of reality. That can become clear like ice-cold water thrown in ones face. Nonduality can be very well experienced by a separate self, just try some psychedelics.... To reach Nonduality sobre without psychdelics, one already has to be quite empty or transcended the separate self, but not necessarily (and normally) fully. With psychedelics, you don't need to empty (or have transcended the separate self) at all. 5 MeO will do that for, even if you don't want. Not fully empty, not the last step (no traces of Individuality/transparent witness left, see above), but very very much. that brings us to the last stage, Stage 4 of the Mahamudra System, the Yoga of Nonmeditation. And here is where meditation, and the long time it enables in these very empty states of dissolving every last speck of individuality/last very subtle separate self arisings/last very subtle illusions, becomes paramount. Only this 4. stage enables the final crossing over to fully, without a doubt, knowing what Ones True Self, and Reality, really is. Without that, suffering, grasping for ever more Awakenings, and still being a bit "gaslighting-ability" of the finality of ones realization/awakening, continues. Yoga of Nonmeditation (4. Yoga of Mahamudra System) What is already the case, from stage 3 Yoga of One Taste: The visual field/world already arises in the Always Here Mind as mere groundless luminous appearance, with Nothingness as its essence in an infinite limitless field of Awareness Space in the timeless Always Here Mind so many ingredients of the True State of Things, ones True Identity as Boundless Changeless Timeless Reality are already in place. That is already very lovely, filled mostly with bliss. Like really really nice. But not fully the Unshakeable Unchanging Reality that one intuits to really be, with its Infinite Love, Peace and Bliss. Only one thing is still missing for conforming fully to the enlightened mindstream, and fully crossing over to it with the sudden recognition of ones True Identity, Reality itself, Absolute Impersonal Infinite Consciousness, Nothingness. and that is the last remants of the Empty/Transparent Witness, or what Brown calls artifical activity. The last remnants of individuality, of I-feeling, I-thoughts arising in oneself. The last aspects of being a bit separate from Reality itself, from being not fully empty/transcended. A very subtle transparent witness, already being nondual, identifying with an infinite nondual field. Bassui (Zen, in Three Pillars of Zen) calls this Awareness of Emptiness, or Awareness of Beingness. A very subtle feeling of still being aware of SOMETHING, even if that is infinite Nonduality. Not full and complete nonduality and oneness. Still a subtle (very subtle) separate self aware of the Totality. Not the Totality being fully aware of itself, like in perceptions perceiving themselves. One can do NOTHING here to cross over to Full Enlightenment/Basis Enlightenment. Because that would be an act of a separate self. An effort. A movement of a separate self WANTING something, manipulating the mindstream, grasping for the understanding, doing something.... One can only automize the meditation/mindfullness, staying fully present, letting the Awakened Impersonal Awareness flow by itself, let IT do the meditation itself, get out of the way... Bringing out the full force of this Utterly Impersonal Awakened Awareness. Ones True Identity. And that is the last contra-intuitive trap: ONE CAN'T FORCE IT ("artifical activity"). Because forcing it would be a separate self arising doing it. One can try to force it (for example Koan-style), but then the Crossing Over normally happens in a moment of grace, of relaxation, when artificial activity is not present. And once the last very subtle remnants of the separate self are seen as moving within oneself, just changing and temporary arisings/movements consisting of I-thoughts and I-feelings, the last subtle lenses ("Individuality,separateness") are recognized and dropped/transcended/no longer believed and just cut off/let go/Trekchö-style. All and any center gone, no separate anything remaining anywhere, forcing its claws of suffering into the natural bliss of Enlightened Infinite Nondual Empty Reality itself, perceptions perceiving themselves, shimmering in Infinite Always here Nothingness, in Infinite Nondual Consciousness. The Universal Mind, Nothingness. Realizing that nothing is lost if the separate self illusion is realized and seen as that what it really is, and always was: Just appearances happening and moving within the Always Here True Self/Reality. All that is lost is an illusion, what is gained is Reality itself and its inherent bliss. And indeed welcome home, to a home you never left, on a journey that never really happened.... Bon Voyage! Selling Water by the River PS: By the way, that is not a nice theory and beautiful claims, but a path actually walked over many years (although because of lacking coaching and not being too smart sometimes from my side making it take longer than actually needed). But I am still very very thankful that I picked that path, and not 10-15 years face against the wall Zen-monastery Koan-style. That would have also maybe worked (but I don't know, that system has many pitfalls the Tibetans have identified and made maps for to avoid these), but would have been much less pleasant, at least for me. Would have felt like digging a hole with a shovel instead with a climatized excavator, doing most of the meditation in daily life instead of some hardcore-monastery-fulltime-environment. So I can understand all those that don't like meditation, because it is maybe the hardest thing one can actually do, depending on the system. Give this system a try! PSPS: Before one maybe starts thinking that nothing matters, and Karma is just an Illusion, since Individuality and everything else is an illusion anyways, and nothing matters, like ethics, common sense, Karma, compassion and so on: Be sure that reality will give you a crosscheck if that is really the case, or just a funny idea/concept. And then let's see if suffering hurts and grips, or is still just considered an Illusion. Compassion and Boddhichitta for all beings (which are nothing but the same One Reality without a second) actually is a pretty hard entrance criteria to any of these states decribed above. With honest and practiced compassion/ethics/Boddhichitta, one has the support from all of Infinite Reality on ones path. And how much intuition and intelligence emerges in ones mindstream is guided only by this One Infinitely Intelligent Reality without a second.

Razard86, in my humble opinion, you didn't answer the question of OBEler. But maybe OBEler got it, and I didn't. The other beings/perspectives don't collapse or end when you or OBEler (or I) die/end. Indras Net and Impersonal Consciousness/Nothingness (which we really are, already now, we just "forget" all other perspectives/beings) will continue fine without all of "us". To think it all ends if a certain perspective is switched off is solipsistic madness. Thinking the Totality stops when one separate perspective is shut off... Its like looking a bit too deep into the pond like Narcissus did, and boosting it with the power of an Infinity of Gods. Don't you intuit that the exactly same consciousness/Nothingness that you are is every other being? When I look at other beings, I intuit the same consciousness that I really am (and every being is). Their mindstream arisings arise in that Nothingness/Consciousness exactly as in mine. There is no difference. That Nothingness is the essence of everything, all perspectives, every appearance in Reality. Nondual, infinite Nothingness, Reality itself. The same Nothingness/Consciousness that we all are can continue very well without you and me, and anybody else. It can't go anywhere. "It" is already everyhting, everyone, infinite and total. You only get problems with answering these questions if you confuse Totally Empty Consciousness/Nothingness with something not so empty. Like a totally empty separate self/witness, with some individuality still left, hovering in a nondual field. Especially easy to get there with psychedelics. Or even worse: "Thinking" ones way there, watching one Youtube-video or two too many... Going down that road, one has to use construct funny concepts like Infinity of Gods (very nondual indeed), and other Solipsistic funny stuff, making space for a separate self blown up to God-like proportions. The funny thing with Solipsism is: If you proclaim you are the only one having a sentient perspective, every one else having also sentience and consciousness knows that you are, well, a bit nuts... Probably this here is peak solipsistic/Infinity-of-Gods madness. The top level to where you can drive a still separate self Gestalt, proclaiming it is God and that there are an Infinity of other Gods. But hey, what do I know.... And now please throw some arguments from the Absolute Side of the Street at me Bon Voyage Water by the River

I would welcome Breakingthewall's comments in the context of my responses, which is the whole point of risking the confidentiality of the correspondence I'm sharing. Otherwise, please try to keep comments limited to the heart of the matter, without glibly drifting off into conjecture relative to what amounts to circumstantial terrain. This is only done in hopes of giving a modicum of credence to the perennial aim of keeping the knowledge alive, and only for the benefit of those who truly resonate insight by profound enlightening processes. I've received a few more messages, which I will recount below: I appreciate your understanding ❤︎ I remember the knowing that it's all "just me." That realization really created a lot of space for me when I was getting nailed and cooked in the cauldron. No need formatting words at this stage. If you are caught in the grace of god, just forget words and guard it. You won't need words should you arrive. Whether before or after, or even now, just start forgetting cleverness in terms of pattern consciousness by way of labeling. Words are the impediment to seeing reality here and now: both in terms of seeing and adapting potential by way of situational evolution as well as in terms of the absolute. Words are literally what hold one's psychological clusters together, and that alone is the barrier constituting karmic bondage. Words. Forget words and descriptions. Labels as such only serve to perpetuate ego identification, now and forever. Really! Let your mouth (thoughts) turn moldy from lack of use. Let the camera go. Just gaze at the happening. The moment is all there appears to be. I say it that way because there is really nothing to hang on to. Words and pictures facilitate the clinging mentality. I remember events in which there were tremendous energy shifts taking place inside my body, organ-wise. I had and still have no idea what was going on. I also had strange visitations that I disregarded with all due respect, even in the midst of those moments. I successfully employed the strategic insight that it's juuuust me!! The same visitor arrived unannounced, as it were, twenty years later. I dismissed whatever it is (I hope that was the correct thing to do). I mean, it never introduced itself! As for the clouds, gaze into the empyrean. Clouds are very good ephemeral objects on which to study (to clothe) the present without introducing clinging mentalities (pattern consciousness) and thus experience dealing with creation nonpsychologically. Ultimately, you may find yourself gradually experiencing open impersonal attention within ordinary situational evolution. It’s this exercising the nonpsychological in a subtle continuous fashion that dissolves the creative sphere’s dominance over one’s selflessly spontaneous transformations in the midst of situations unbeknownst to anyone. Just this is the point of my anonymous writings since 2008. ed note: separate paragraphs 11 and 12

Last week I went to Owens 3 day free tour in Miami and it was an amazing experience. I highly recommend that if you have one of these coming anywhere near you, go to it. I drove 5 hours to it and slept in my car over the weekend and many others there flew from Europe(I probably would only recommend flying out there if you intended on getting some form of bootcamp or mentorship from one of the speakers). The speakers at this event were Sid Samtaney, Marczell Klein, Jeffy, Julien, and Owen. I wrote a lot of notes so Ill try to summarize the key insights I learned from them. Sid: Sid's area of expertise was mergers and acquisitions, building businesses, and dealmaking. One of the most important things he stressed was "In the time it took you to build a 10x business, you could have built a 100x business." He stressed having a personal championship where achieving it will cascade into all other areas of your life. Funnel all your goals into this one championship and identify the key action steps. Then eliminate, delegate, and automate. Realize that its basically impossible to do it all alone, so you need to get a dream team board of directors. Sid became a millionaire in his early 20's in the retirement home industry by having a clear vision he could communicate in less than 30 seconds with passion, authority, and conviction. He worked volume on LinkedIn talking to 100's of possible Board of Directors candidates who could fill the gaps in his knowledge and skill. Since he couldnt offer them any money, he offered equity in the company. He also focused on having a distinct brand. "Dont boil the ocean". Be unique and authentic to polarize people and attract people who genuinely love you. Think about how you will speak, dress; what your hobbies and lifestyle is that will make an imprint on peoples mind. In Sids case, his brand was being an intense adrenaline junkie. He skydives, wingsuits, wrestles alligators, etc. He likes to put himself in adrenaline boosting scenarios to learn how to deal with them. Once you come face to face with death countless times, doing an approach or speaking in front of crowds is effortless. Lastly he talked about checking blindspots. Find your ideal mentors, get coaches, journal, record yourself, have accountability groups. Know the holes in your game/skill/industry so you can ask high quality questions. A good mentor is worth 1000 books and will cut decades off learning curve. Hang out with people who have already arrived at where you want to be at. Have inner circle of A players and cut the bums out. The gap between a 10x business and a 100x business is high quality people. Realize you will have to lose friends on self development journey. "Pigs are not a flying animal" Marczell: Marczell is the self proclaimed best hypnotist in the world. Maybe he is, maybe he isnt, but he genuinely believes it and has supreme confidence in himself. He also became a millionaire in early 20's and he said he did this by just throwing his hat over the fence and buying things that at the time, he couldnt afford so that he would be forced to make the money. He said that spending or giving money can shift your mind to abundance, cheapness is small mindedness and shifts mind to scarcity (Good sales tactic but I also think its a profound truth). Most people are addicted to suffering and poverty like a crack addict. People love not getting what they want, its a parasite running your mind. Marczell can make a lot of money because he doesnt pedestalize it, he kept saying that money is trash and easy to make. Your state runs your entire life so always try to be in a creative, resourceful, and abundant state. Believe that your life is a winning lotto ticket. If you had a winning lottery ticket, you would do anything to cash it in, but people dont do the same with their goals because they dont truly believe they will accomplish them. He asked the room "Who here knows for sure that they are a 10/10 in confidence" maybe 5 people raised their hand, he then said "So the rest of you are 10/10 confident that youre not a 10/10 in confidence" Deep if you think about it. We are so overrun by limiting beliefs and lower paradigm thinking that we are unable to see solutions to our problems You can create a positive change in an instant just like negative change can happen in an instant. A traumatic event like r*pe or a car crash occurs and your body and mind immediately develops fears, beliefs, and emotions about certain things. People get stuck living in pain of past and project into the future. Emotions arent "real" in the sense that they dont allow you to assess life accurately. Emotions are strategies that you can use to help you get to where you want to be. Only focus on positive things in life and project that into the future, you go towards whatever you focus on. Create a crystal clear vision of exactly what you want your lifestyle to look like in health, wealth, relationship, spirituality, etc and think of what emotions you will feel when you achieve that lifestyle. Similar to law of attraction, have a visualization process where you see yourself living that lifestyle and cultivate + deeply feel the emotions that come with that lifestyle. Then take massive action towards your goals while maintaining that abundant state. Jeffy: I loved the way this guy spoke, he was hilarious. He said he was an "encyclopedia and repository of social interaction" and had claimed 30,000 approaches/interactions over the past 15+ years. Key concepts: 1. Outer Projection. Have control over face, voice, body language and understand how it effects communication. 2. Inner Guidance. Dont stifle or filter yourself. Use intelligence and intuition to recognize emotional and physical cues 3. Sick Skills. be energizing, know how to tell stories, know how to never run out of things to say, know how to screen people, know how to coordinate logistics of dates, pulls, afterparties. 4. Have core confidence in your authentic self. You have inherent value and are worth being heard. 5. Conversational skill and technique. Know how to effectively approach, set frame, and escalate 6. Persuasion and Frame control, mentioned it would be valuable to learn aristotelian persuasion logos, pathos, and ethos 7. Conflict communication, know how to deal with assholes at bars, AMOGS. Realize that conflict is highly impersonal and people are just following a script. Remain relaxed, dont get hooked into conflict 8. Leadership, feel into fear and act in spite of it. You never know if people will like your approach, not everybody will like you nor should you want that Some good quotes he dropped were "The quantifiable effect of someone not liking you at the club is virtually zero" "Individual choices gain power in proportion to the larger pool of choices available"- this meant that when you have amazing game, you can purposefully act like a chode/loser to girls and still have them get attracted because they can sense that its a conscious choice and your doing it as a joke. "Realize that everyone is bored, give people something different, exciting, or interesting to stand out" Julien: Owens right hand man. Nowadays Julien focuses a lot on inner game, trauma release, shadow work, self love and letting go. Try and go on some sort of adventure every day to break monotonous routine of groundhogs day, be actor and director of your movie. Realize that all criticism is speculation, projection, and untenable because literally nobody on the planet knows the real you. Its as if every hater is saying "Fuck your blue hair" but you have black hair. Only you can approve or disapprove of yourself. Dont underestimate power of bringing a good vibe. Emphasized the law of state transference. Being authentically yourself requires vulnerability and self love because others will always judge you positively and negatively. The self is always shining through whatever you say or do, you cant fake it or do a gimmick. As children we have limited perception of the world and our authentic self can get stifled because being yourself was threatening to your survival. Your world was your homelife and the classroom and if you were too loud or spoke out or were weird in some way, you risked being ostracized and facing social death. Learn the different situations where your childhood trauma gets triggered. Ask when is your emotional response disproportionate to reality. He gave some shadow questions to help uncover these traumas. 1. Why am I not good enough? 2. Why is success not for me? Why dont I deserve it? 3. Why do I hate myself? 4. Why am I toxic? 5. Why dont my parents love me and why is it my fault? 6. Why dont I deserve love? You have reservoir of trauma that you need to identify and let go of. Most people try to distract themselves when they feel the emotional response of trauma triggers by binging on drugs, alchohol, food, media, gossip, etc. Instead of distracting yourself, you must sit with yourself and deeply feel into it. Emotion is labeling sensations i.e: Fear = racing heartate, butterflies in stomach. Deeply feel the physical sensations that the emotions cause until your ok with them being there and you will find yourself letting go and releasing it. An exercise to try is to immediately get into cold shower and instead of shaking, try to feel ok with the cold sensation, similar to Wim Hoff. Remember your not DOING anything, just simply BEING. Dont try to get rid of it because that is labeling it as negative which creates resistance. Letting go happens through feeling not thinking. Be good enough and completely whole with yourself. Dont create self generated lack. "Ill be complete when I have money, a girlfriend, career success, etc" Its still the same you, no amount of money, success, or hot girls will make you anything other than yourself. Your relationship with the present moment follows you. Most important relationship is one with yourself. If you wouldn't say it to your child, dont say it to yourself. Self love is extremely attractive. Neediness is extremely unattractive, its as if your going to people with your hands behind your back saying "Can you please help me c*m". Realize that you have two hands and can make yourself c*m. Metaphorically of course lol. His program that he had was a scale of transformation. The levels bottom to top were 8. Apathy- giving up, Me vs the world 7. Grief - victimhood, slight hope 6. Fear- scary to get out of victimhood 5. Anger - getting mad at situation in life and having some motivation to change 4. Courage - trying to control life and be at cause rather than effect 3. Desire - chasing and achieving some level of dream life, risk of inflated ego coming into play, many get stuck here 2. Purpose - Living life purpose while helping others as well as yourself 1. Love- Giving tremendous value to others out of love for them, yourself, and universe. Think of where you usually reside and try to shoot for 1-2 levels above, people at grief and fear cant resonate with solutions that come from purpose and love. Other general advice was to create an "ideal avatar" for your perfect partner. List ideal demographics, values, personality, hobbies, interests, attractiveness, type of relationship, etc. Screen when conversing and you will naturally attract this type of person. Look for raw material and not complete perfection. Nobody will meet 100% of criteria but if you see the potential in them, you can throughout the course of a relationship, mold them into ideal partner. For marriage or long term relationship, make 3 lists together. 1. Everything you find physically attractive about partner 2. Everything you find emotionally attractive, like why they are your best friend 3. What you will sacrifice for this relationship. Owen: The man himself. He spoke on a lot of topics so this part may be a little scattered. First he talked about creating the halo effect around you at social events. Do this by talking to everyone at the venue, be an energetic idiot, dont care what others think, engage everyone in group, being completely present. The person who cares the most, is respected the least. Not being heard will cost you millions of dollars, must learn to project your voice so that people can hear you even in a loud nightclub. You get stifled when you speak because you feel like your at the bottom of the social totem pole and dont deserve to be heard. There are no magic words or magic lines, its all in your vibe, body language, confidence, and how you say it. Free associative, unfiltered speaking and saying exactly whats on your mind signals to others that you are confident in yourself and builds halo effect. The way people communicate and project their voice is how their brain is functioning. Believe that you are in control of your state. Believe that you have a valuable, unique perspective on life and that people are interested in what you say. Find more things funny, humor is relieving tension and trauma. People at the club are there to cut loose and laugh, not to be logical. Cultivate humor, presence, and vibe in your daily life. See every interaction as a 1000/10 and see something funny in it. People view you how you view yourself. If you genuinely see yourself as a 11/10 then people will respond accordingly. Ask whether they are good enough for you instead of other way around. Dont burn mental capital worrying about what people think of you, just be the man now instead of waiting for some external validation. Have complete belief and conviction in what you say. He talked about his recent traveling adventures where he visited every national park and major ski resort over the past 3 years. Realize that is so incredibly rare for people under the age of 65 to do. People always say that they'll go travel later, but later never comes, or it does come but theyre too old to really enjoy it. Dont say "do it later", realize that the present moment is as good as it gets. The peak happiness of your life was probably when you were like 10 years old, you must make a conscious decision to initiate new peaks. Even super successful people are on a hamster wheel of success, trapped in a golden jail being the top slave of the week. Its a trap where they make a lot of money but can never really do what they authentically desire. Understand the moment you are in, deeply experience it and make the most of it. YOURE ALREADY DEAD No amount of money can buy the experiences Owen has lived. Money isnt enough, Owen said he is too greedy to put money over experiences and living in the moment. Money is just the foundation you can build an epic life upon. He gave the example of Dr Dre who is now a billionaire. His billions is nothing in comparison to living in the NWA era, being a pioneer in hip hop. The comfort of being a billionaire will never be as good as being broke in the process of building NWA and starting a nationwide movement. The money killed his momentum and arguably "ruined his life" Get clear on what in your life is worth more than money, then structure your life on how to achieve it. Heaven or Hell starts right now. Realize that death is the context of your life. Your life is a profoundly significant experience, it is the Big Moment so appreciate deeply every second of it. How would facing and acknowledging death daily change the way you live your life? Dont spiritually bypass. You cant hide your true desires. Nature finds a way when you deny/repress needs in an unhealthy way. The journey and process to getting your authentic desires will transform you. There was a lot from these speakers that I left out for sake of time and me not wanting to type everything I wrote down but I hope you get at least some value and maybe it will inspire you to go to one of Owens future events

I don't need to put seasoning on my meat, eggs or dairy. In fact, I don't know exactly why (balance potassium sodium?), but the more my diet is rich in animal products, the less I want to add salt. Currently I have returned to a more classic diet for several reasons and I again wanted to put salt on my eggs/meat. I don't know what this strange argument is, nor am I a deer, koala or gorilla. You are just Anglo-Saxon lol, everyone on the planet eats raw/undercooked meat. 1)Only pork is reputed to give parasites, and it is a very particular animal condemned in many religions. Otherwise the meat is not supposed to contain dangerous parasites, otherwise the animal would be seriously ill anyway. You also don't make sense, like in some third world countries, to leave the meat literally rotting outside. 2)No, people put on garlic and onions because food is an art form and we crave new flavors. Besides, you won't get any real antiseptic quality with onion or even raw garlic. Alcohol is technically a poison and that doesn't prevent alcoholic beverages from being tasty. Neither are fruit and sugar pleasant to some extent, even when your mitochondria are more carb-metabolizing. Like "starchivores" make "bean, oatmeal, and tomato sauce steaks" because eating even a kilo of cooked legumes a day is too boring, frugivores make a ton of smoothies and "nicecream" with high-calorie exotic fruits (bananas, dates, etc.) because eating a lot of fruit is boring. 1) You can add salt as a "bad habit" as seasonings can throw off cravings eventually. Everyone adds salt to anything, starting with plants. My point is that you need herbal seasonings to make up for the boredom of their texture and bulk. Animal meat and fat, in addition to being tasty, are small in size and easy to eat. interesting argument 1) Children are not going to play with the rabbit as it will run away/be hostile unless it is a domesticated breed (selected) 2) Human children cannot survive on their own and they are still extremely sensitive with high brain plasicity. The ability to fight and hunt usually comes later, with brain maturation, exposure to androgens etc. Many men just don't feel able to hunt anymore, they're just weakened by a life of comfort and underexposure to androgens, it's not just a matter of not being able to kill an animal anymore, it's also no longer be able 3) This is a pretty wacky vegan hippie idea, kids aren't that nice and empathetic, kids can actually be particularly sadistic. A girl in my family literally had fun killing cats by smashing them against the wall, she didn't become psycho or mean, the kids just have fun exploring boundaries, they're not that dual. No, we sometimes give fruit purees to children because it's cheap and easy to digest, but their post-weaning nutrition is varied, in fact when I was a baby, I was given cereal boils and pieces of meat. As for carnivorism, I haven't seen people giving carnivorous food to their child so I won't comment. (and that's another topic) Because it looks pretty and inflates the ego by making us feel like respectable people who eat well etc etc. It's also good, I'm not against fruit, I don't know if you've read it but by "carnivor" I mostly mean "meat-based". begging the question begging the question begging the question lol I'm not sure that basing one's diet on the writings of apostles of a Palestinian sect is scientific or simply rational. Idk, maybe. What I do know though is that unless you supplement yourself with certain nutrients, being vegan is going to drive you relatively insane within a decade. Adversarial reversal, do YOU have tangible proof? The primal/paleo diet (carnivore was a provocative misnomer, call such a diet what you will) is amazing to me and many others. The more I eat like this, the better my cognition, the better my poo, the stronger I am in the gym etc etc. And obviously the taste is much better than a vegan diet, while being really satisfying in terms of appetite. Troll/provocation aside, I've shared and suggested checking out the story of other people on even stricter diets than me who don't have health issues including artherosclerosis (despite high LDL), while recalling that, here again, carnivore is a vague and provocative term to agree on a diet based on animal products. And you ? What do you have apart from generally epidemiological studies. For the 10th time, regardless of the quality of the studies and the fact that we can be interested in them, they are impersonal and manipulable. You absolutely want a study? giveaway: https://www.dovepress.com/total-meat-intake-is-associated-with-life-expectancy-a-cross-sectional-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-IJGM I don't know if I misunderstood your message or if you can't understand the principle of Darwinism. Nothing causes the growth of the brain, it is a genetic evolution produced by evolutionary pressure. The fact is that the human brain has the particularity of requiring an enormous amount (compared to other animals) of omega 3 and that the evolution of the brain is consistent with the migration of hominids, from the tropical forests to the high African plains and the development fishing and hunting. Eating as much carbohydrate as you want will not magically eliminate your deficiencies in other nutrients, nor change the archaeological evidence. Besides, I live in France close to the "Lascaux caves", I have often visited them, the hunting engravings I have seen them yes, the oat cooking engravings not too much ah ah. I've also seen a lot of shows about the practices of the ancient peasants in my country, McDougall likes to say that Europeans ate vegetables and beans, but he forgets to mention that the vegetables were literally, most of the time, preserved in PORK FAT and cooked with this same fat. In short, the pro "starchivores" are rewriting history. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0260106012437550 Either you decorate in an exaggerated way your "complete cereals", with oil, condiments, transform them into pasta etc. Or you eat 1000 calories a day. Either you are delusional, like a homeless man thinks he is rich when he manages to afford a macdonal, eat a good greasy entrecote, without condiment or possibly a little salt if you are too used to it, and dare to say it without being a hypocrite massive that your bulgur is more appealing. Dare Ditto It has nothing to do with nutrient density, it's a matter of enzymes. Already answered. 1) "Like a plant" does not mean anything, the vast majority of plants are filthy, come to understand that "spices" are precisely a handful of plants selected from millions for their ability to give potentially pleasant flavors. 2) Meat already tastes good, people season it to taste better because curiosity is in our nature, it's not about animal vs plant products, this rhetoric is very dishonest. Alcohol is bad for humans and wine is one of the finest and most enjoyable foodstuffs on this planet, I know some guys who put vodka in their pineapple juice to improve the taste, is that does that mean they actually secretly want alcohol? "This person puts a pinch of paprika on his steak, it's proof that he wants beans and spinach" lmao I agree Everything is "natural", just because humans are so intelligent that they have actions that are particularly contrasting with those of the rest of the animal world does not make it "unnatural", we just do stuff humans.

@Someone here 1) if only everyone truly would get this...so much more peace. 2) "..The universe is hostile, so Impersonal. Devour to survive So it is, so it's always been..."

Adversarial reversal, do YOU have tangible proof? The primal/paleo diet (carnivore was a provocative misnomer, call such a diet what you will) is amazing to me and many others. The more I eat like this, the better my cognition, the better my poo, the stronger I am in the gym etc etc. And obviously the taste is much better than a vegan diet, while being really satisfying in terms of appetite. Troll/provocation aside, I've shared and suggested checking out the story of other people on even stricter diets than me who don't have health issues including artherosclerosis (despite high LDL), while recalling that, here again, carnivore is a vague and provocative term to agree on a diet based on animal products. And you ? What do you have apart from generally epidemiological studies. For the 10th time, regardless of the quality of the studies and the fact that we can be interested in them, they are impersonal and manipulable. You absolutely want a study? giveaway: https://www.dovepress.com/total-meat-intake-is-associated-with-life-expectancy-a-cross-sectional-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-IJGM ditto + and yes I cover the vegan diet, both because it's the elephant in the room when we talk about a carnivorous diet and because I suffered from it I don't know exactly why I said that and I can't find the original message, it may have been deleted. I think it was a question of accusing me of having a marginal position. Yes I have a marginal position, you too in another context, so don't accuse me (you or anyone else) of that. You lie, you are a liar. I talked about myself, then I took the example of two people that many people know, and then I insisted on checking another example. Do you understand that I don't have to ctrl+c and crtl+v all that I can/have been able to see on this kind of diets? Ok Yes, I too like fruit to a certain extent. There is no opposition between fruit and butter. much better for you Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that there's an evolutionary reason why the palate likes certain things and doesn't. And "a bit boring" is an understatement, you know that as much as I do, Michael That's like saying it's okay for people to drink their urine, because you can enjoy it by adding maple syrup to it. And again I don't want to force anyone to do anything, it's the complete opposite of my point. True, but you can say that about any way you eat. It is for this exact reason that I do not have a diet and that I just eat/promote foods that are natural and that I like. Fiber doesn't mean much. There are a large number of different fibers, with different sizes and structures, soluble in water or not... I will answer whoever accused me of dunning kruger below, the accusation is basically the same No Why should we eat like these? And especially : -They weren't vegan and couldn't be vegan anyway. -They didn't eat "kale with sweet potatoes and beans", if they ate fibrous things they were well prepared (long soaks, cooking, fermenting) and usually eaten with fat for taste and digestion. You have to see the bean-based recipes that date back to antiquity, these things were literally swimming in olive oil ah ah. I'm not crusading against anyone, I don't care. Worst case consider me a troll. It is not because you eat meat that you will have colorectal cancer, it is not because you eat a lot of fiber that you will have sibo. Besides, I'm not saying that humans are big eaters of red meat, it seems pretty clear that humans evolved around the consumption of white meat from small mammals, fish and shellfish. Ah and second lmao gift: https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(18)31176-0.pdf It's on rats, so do what you want. "Should" according to what criteria? "Paleo" includes all hominids before the mastery of agriculture pr homo sapiens Just because Homo erectus ate beetles and tender roots doesn't mean it's an attractive and favorable diet for modern man. As for fruit: https://deniseminger.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/ You can also watch any documentary on hunter-gatherer tribes and you will see that they consume fruits and honey, sometimes fatty fruits (coconuts, avocados, palm fruits...) yes The whole point of my topic is to troll a little by making a statement based on very basic things, and by extension showing that it works on various people. We could fight over a "more perched" debate on a certain number of studies, but that would be long and uninteresting. If you want my opinion on such and such a study I can tell you, possibly. All right

First a disclaimer, I write provocatively. But mainly as a strategy to carry dialogue forward. It's not malicious. And I'll apologize now if some sensitive people take it insultingly. Interfacing over screens is very impersonal and when conversation gets heated then both sides are forced to read/project things into the text. If we talked on the phone, or met in-person, that wouldn't be an issue. When I ask Devil's Advocate questions, it doesn't mean I believe the opposite. I haven't yet stated a position about the paranormal. I only asked for evidence about Dalai Lama's supernatural powers, which raises the issue of how these things are to be known in general. And how should we go about finding out? What about your spiritual practice has led to the development of your 'high intuition' and being 'supernatural'? Was it bestowed at birth, or nurtured? Or a freak accident like Peter Parker and Bruce Banner? Next, your claim has the side-effect of positioning yourself atop a new hierarchy. You've basically created a new social hierarchy of 'People With Superpowers'. And then stepped on top of it. What are the rest of us supposed to do with that? This is an epistemological issue. Both, how did you come to determine you have paranormal abilities, and how should others verify that? You don't expect us to pedastalize you and accept you at your word, do you?

You (capital Y) are the whole Infinite Reality (imagined body, imagined appearances, imagined everything n+1). With nothing outside of it, because that would be an imagined arising too. Any boundary separiting IT from an imagined other IT would be an imagined arising, an appearing phenomenon. Infinite. Try to imagine everything gone, including thinking: NOTHINGNESS. Not big, not small, just NOTHINGNESS. A vast infinite Nothingness, that is not even vast, because there is no 3D-space or anything (no objects/arisings). Similiar to Deep Sleep. YOU are still there. YOU awake every morning after having been there. You already know that you can be totally something/somebody else in dreams, and have totally forgotten all the past you imagine right now to be your "real" human self. But IT is not Nothingness like nothing there at all, but Nothingness with the POTENTIAL for sentience as soon as anything is imagined, and with Infinite Potential to imagine ANYTHING within it, n+1. Imagine a water pistol pops up in this Nothingness (see example Massaro, Conversations with a Skepctic): Then you have a) an imagined appearance (water pistol) and b) "something" perceiving it, the subject. Or just the perceptions of the water pistal in case no separates self is imagined/arises. Just the waterpistol perceiving itself, perceptions perceiving themselves. Impersonal. Then you have a "world", and subject/object. So what are you then? a) The Infinite Field with anything that can possibly be imagined? Yes. Nondual/Totality/Oneness. The manifest/imagined side of Infinite Consciousness. Always changing, never stable, since no appearance/form lasts. NONE. But there is a constant: b) But even more so, you are that Nothingness that can be unaware of itself, Infinite Consciousness initially unaware of itself, but with the potential for sentience if something arises. The unmanifest side of Infinite Consciousness. The unchanging, Unborn and constant core of the True You/Reality itself. So empty that IT is the Abyss, Impersonal. NOTHINGNESS. But also Infinite Potential, since IT can imagine anything. and "Both"a) and b) is indivisible, nondual. Totally the same essence, ONE Reality. The Nothingness or the True You is already the essence/"substance" of every imagined arisings/phenomenon, including the water pistol, or all separate self arisings (they are all appearances within you). a nice book about that is Szyper, "Infinite Consciousness" And that is why with the Big Awakening/Big Enlightenment, you realize yourself to already be (and ever have been, ever will be) both totally Nothingness (no separate self arisings not transcended or spotted fast enough) and everything manifested/appearing. Its all One Infinite Reality, imagined in Infinite Consciousness/Mind, hovering empty appearances, hovering in You/Reality, perceptions perceiving themselves. What falls away (or are understood) are just the ignorant separate self arisings, that make you feel and think you are not the Infinite Totality, but this small body "moving" in it. You become Nothing(-ness), but also Everything. No longer a separate body-mind in a larger "universe", but all of that happening in You. To fully get it, you need many small awakenings/Kenshos/Enligthenments (becoming gradually the empty infinite mere imagined appearances/nondual field), and a big awakening (Great Enlightenment, Basis Enlightenment, Great Satori) after you have become the whole infinite empty field, when you wonder who/what PERCEIVES that field. The One Hand clapping. That is when the last subtle layers of the separate self are suddenly seen through. Sudden Awakening. Its gradual until then, and sudden and unmistakenly with the last shift. Up to that shift, there are stages and higher awakenings. But the bug stops here. That is also why you never know with the smaller Awakenings (1) what the end of the ladder is.... and (2) you still suffer. And of course you can go exploring afterwards, but you already understand what You are and what Reality is when doing that. And how you fooled yourself before, with many different layers (imagined separate self, imagined past, imagined future, imagined anything n+1). The Real You is quite smart to fool itself in such a way.... ( : Tricky thing with the last shift is: This last shift needs a fully empty or transended separate self, including very subtle layers of feeling/thinking... And that needs.... a lot of time in these nondual and empty states to get rid of any untranscended separate self arising. And these last separate self elements can be very tricky & subtle, needing familiarity with them to spot them, and a very fast speed of spotting and transcending/cutting them off in real time. And: You can't force it here with the usual meditation techniques (that came before this stage) of directing attention. Because who/what is doing the meditation? The separate self.... It has to be automized, so that the meditation does itself. No artificial activity of a separate self. Non-Meditation Yoga in the Mahamudra-System. Or alternatively, but not so efficient: "Bang your head against the wall" for several years with a Koan. That also works, but more brute-force-style and doesn't feel so nice... Or you win the genetic lottery, jump all of that, find yourself to be the Great Unborn... and have no clue how to get there since you jumped the journey. Ramana-style. The author of these lines wasn't lucky enough to win this lottery. But hey, the point of the ride is ride. Bon voyage! ( : "We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all." Kalu Rinpoche Selling Water by the River

Thank you for sharing your experience. I also had a wonderful mystical experience on these seeds. I took them while doing a breathwork session, but even after two hours I didn't feel anything different than usual, so I decided to go to bed. While in bed I was contemplating the concept of "no self", without realizing that I was actually starting to peak.. I imagined that my entire life, from birth until this moment and far into the future is just a story, so I decided to drop it. As soon as I did that, my mind started rushing a flood of rapidly consecutive thoughts, from childhood memories, to what I ate yesterday, to my future career.. HOPING that I would latch onto any of those thoughts. But I never did. It was very easy to drop all interest in all thoughts because they all pertain to the story, my story. Soon after I experienced NO THOUGHTS.. Complete silence for the first time in my life! That brought about the most profound feeling of peace and serenity I have ever experienced, and I had amazingly soothing experiences with magic mushrooms before. It is impossible to feel any worry or angst if there's nothing or no one to worry about! Finally I understood what all those spiritual teachers mean with focus on the sense of "I am". Actually, in my experience it felt more like "This is". I was completely impersonal, pure awareness. Of course I am neither the body or the mind! I wasn't concerned with either the past or the future. So no wonder that what remains is the present moment. In that space of "selflessness" I felt no desire, just pure bliss in being. However I had the intuition that being in this "formless" state is not all there is.. There must have been a reason why I am the "selfish" ego as well. Surely the point is not to just sit there in bliss and do nothing??? As soon as that thought started bothering me, I tapped back into the "selfless/formless" and went back into the peace. The week after this experience I saw a video by Frank Yang where he talks about what to do after the realization of the no-self. He claims that by moving from form to formless and back several times, the gap between both states narrows down until they unite. In that place you are your ego self AND the formlessness at the same time. You are still active, but all your actions come from a place of love, authenticity and fearlessness without attachment to outcome.

Oooh, this may be a dagger: Should you be in that line of business then? Business is hyperpractical and impersonal, it doesn't care "what you want" outside of the transaction.

Free Will is a complicated topic and I recently through meditation and contemplation discovered the mystery behind all this. Now first you need to understand that Free Will is an identity game. Ultimately Everything is both Free and Unfree. Free in that ultimate authority is with each individual, Not free in that everything is run by Universal, Selfless, Impersonal Love. What does this mean? It means that the authority of the universe is impersonal, and for you to have free will and authority in your life you must align your perspective with impersonal love. If you accomplish this, you gain the freedom to live life with a true understanding of what is going on which allows you to make wiser decisions. Basically you gain wisdom. You see self-deception bars you from truth, which makes you stupid and ignorant, which robs you from your ability to enjoy life. This game is a game of appearance, don't fall for the selfish rich in material goods life, it will not make you happy and will actually turn you into a dangerous person. Why? Because there is nothing more dangerous than an unhappy rich person, they will use their resources to spread their misery further. But notice what I said earlier, if you are very selfish, you will be stupid and ignorant and thus cannot be free. This means that all selfish people are blameless, because they are caught in a web of self-deception that bars and disconnects them from truth. Now this doesn't mean we allow selfish people to act in this manner, but instead we understand that personal growth is based on how expansive your identity is, and that selfish people no matter their position or prestige are ultimately children in terms of their development. Because Love and Intelligence are Truth, and are ONE your knowledge, and wisdom is based on love. The more you love something, the more you give it your attention. The more you give something your attention the more you learn about the subject. But notice, if you are a very selfish person, your ability to see the thing for what it really is will be restricted by your bias. But if you are aware of your biases and can see past them then your ability to learn a thing will be limitless. So if you want to be wise, intelligent, and have free will seek everyday to expand your identity, your circle of concern in your world view and you will be amazed and what you can learn!! All bias is limitation on your capacity to love, learn, and experience life. You heard that right, your bias actually limits your experience because you cannot become Enlightened if you hold too much bias, that bias will bar your consciousness from overcoming Self-Deception. I've recently become aware of how Enlightenment happens and I know a faster way to super charge all that seek it. Drop me an inbox and I can explain it. This knowledge was actually self-evident but too many prominent people in Spirituality are too self-bias and as a result they could not see it.

It's not that simple. There are issues at both sides here. Men are usually too brash, loud & direct in their approach gets seen more and those with subtitle & nuanced points of view gets swept under the rug. At the same time women make silly arguments like "Oh it's because you are an incel stuck up in your mom's basement" kind of ad hominem instead of discussing what's wrong about the other side in an impersonal manner. I don't think either side is represented, understood or discussed accurately. Is just people blindly misinterpreting, name calling, and trying to talk over each other. So having a seperate section is like a temporary solution.

Especially with the style that Leo has got, even most men can't digest it let alone women. You have to be impersonal while doing this, and for most women this just doesn't align with her true self. Most of the philosophy readers are men while most of the romance readers are women. Debating about existence comes naturally to many(not most) men. See this stuff is harsh and nuanced. There is no way we are going to make this sound nice to you and encourage you to accept this so that women may find it appealing. You are at the forefront of exploring human consciousness and among the first in history to delve into this type of things. Edit: Many things that are seen as backward and bigoted by the current progressives are simply the Truth. Even some tenants of Red pill can be true. Simply because something feels disrespectful to you has no bearing on it's Truth. It's cringe when people call Leo who is a bold leftist by any reasonable standards as misogynist/bigoted/transphobic. These people have lost all connections to reality whatsoever and have become increasingly dogmatic with progressive views. And obviously they don't see themselves like that.

@axiom Fully agree on all points. I should have added some concluding remark from the Absolute side of the street, not everything from the Relative side of the street. >There is noone already, so there is nothing that can be done. There are only appearances arising which may or may not involve what seems to be an individual on some kind of path. Totally agree, but for sake of teaching-efficiacy, the Mahamdura-system throws the stick with which one pokes and blazes the fire only into the fire when the fire is sufficiently burning. In the Mahamudra-System (for example Pointing out the Great Way, Brown), there is only effort or artifical activity (or a person) involved up until and including the stage 3 of One Taste (One Taste = Nondual). One learns to cut all thought- and emotion-arisings fast enough (Stage 1& 2). When one is proficient enough in that, the visual field starts getting nondual (Stage 3), the separation perceived before drops away, and the visual field gets an appearance-only quality, empty, hologram-style. Then, at stage 4 (Nonmeditation Yoga), this effort or artifical activity (or believing in a person or agent doing these things) gets dismantled, because cutting off the Illusion-thought-arisings has become fast enough and automatic. Together with that, the concept of a doer/person/agent gets pointed out as another concept, and the meditation does itself. Here, the mindstream aligns for the first time with the real state of things, that an understanding can happen there really is no person, just a bundle of I-thoughts/I-feelings arising. And of course, there was no person/individual in the past, only an apparant Gestalt that looked like that, and which one used to overlay ones true being (Infinite Conciousness or Reality itself) with, there isnt one now, and there never can or will be, only as an illusion or overlay on the real nature of things. Ones True Being is able to generate this illusion (magnificienlty), but is not dependend on it. The show can happen without it. But reality can generate this illusion. Basically then one goes full Tony Parsons (there is no person, nothing needs to be done), but only at stage 4 Nonmeditation Yoga and not before. If you do it before, certain qualities are not generated that one needs to conform to the enlightened mind (nonduality, mere-appearance/imagined hologram-like quality of the visual field, infinitesness of the visual field, space not as independend self-existing "thing" but sth. imagined in consciousness which consciousness doesnt need to imagine, time and memory happening in it now, that one cant get out of it because there is no outside, and some other stuff). And when all of that is in place, Basis-Enlightenment or Crossing Over can happen, which Brown describes (among other things): " Seemingly individual consciousness (yid), the point of observation throughout the entire path of meditation, is now found to be a mere concept (btagspa), which drops away. … The seeming reality of individual consciousness along with its functions and activities gives way, leaving only an infinite ocean of awareness-space " The description of enlightenment as a dropping away of any kind of separate-identity/person/individual arising is universal in all enlightenment descriptions. Don't worry, by definition, the real you can't go away - ever. Only an illusion is seen through and understood. And the real you can generate the separate-self Illusion-show, so nothing really is lost. Whats more fundamental is still there. So It sounds more negative than it is. Leaving only an infinite ocean of awareness-space: And if you have become so impersonal or universal consciousness (nondual) that you can have that state of huge nonduality/mere appearance of the visual field/infiniteness sobre, well then you have deconstructed your separate self enough. This is the Gate-Keeper of the Gateless Gate. This deconstruction is better said a high-speed-search-task-and-cutting-off of separate self illusion-arisings (I-feelings, I-thoughts, Trekchö-Style), and that is what boosts the nonduality and mere appearance aspect of the visual field, which is exactly what you can also boost with psychedelics, but with much more of the separate-self illusions still staying intact.... Frank Yang called that once the God-Mind-state. >From the other side of the gate, it is said that to see apparent individuals believing that they exist, believing in their own agency... believing they have achieved enlightenment or indeed anything at all - is the sweetest joke going. Fully agree. And if it can happen natty in Nonduality-States, it can even more easily happen with doing only/mainly Psychedelics, because among other things, they exactly boost that Nonduality/mere apperance/infinite state. And if the separate self arisings are not fully seen through, you can get quite a show. And by the way, as Ken Wilber said, people doing both meditation and psychedelics, get the most out of it, so I am not against Psychedelics at all. Somebody made a very nice youtube-Channel on looking deep into the Abyss or Nothingness that precedes Nonduality: Prior to Non-Duality https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9vlZGtpdFIts8GOG5vu27g You can have full blow nonduality WITH an enlightened ego/person with an identity still going on, believing to be enlightened. Believing to be Awareness, Presence, God, whatever not. Stage 3 in Mahamudra. Quite a show... Beautiful video on that by Jac O'Keffee: and now, walking from the Relative Side of the Street a bit more towards its Absolute Side: In actuality, there is nobody selling water by the river, and nobody is buying it... And the short form, of all written above is: The old pond, A frog jumps in: Plop! Enjoy the ride!

Ethics is a philosophical field, and it's very personal and subjective. It is not a mathematical field, which is impersonal and objective. This is what people call the absolute vs. relative conflation. You're asking an absolute question and demanding a relative answer, or possibly the other way around. It wouldn't be confusing if it wasn't twisted like that. TL;DR, mathematics is what you do when you're moving purposely, while philosophy is what you do in your spare time.

It becomes very difficult to understand certain things if you believe it is personal. For example, maybe you visit Big Ben (the clock tower in London) one day. Right now you are in your house on the computer and can't see Big Ben. But still if someone else walks past Big Ben while you are here on your computer, it is literally identical to you seeing Big Ben. See how confusing this is because you are sure you aren't seeing Big Ben right now, you can verify as fact you are seeing your computer screen. This is confusing because you believe you are an individual seeing things. In truth all there is to the visual image of Big Ben is the visual image of Big Ben. Not a you seeing the visual image of Big Ben, if you look for one you aren't going to find it. There is only the visual image of Big Ben, it appears and disappears now and again. Whether you or another person sees Big Ben, the image of Big Ben exists. The only difference is the appearance of the ego which claims its ownership over that image, the ego itself being another perception, a thought. Which will sound something like "I Toby see Big Ben". In actuality you have never seen anything but there is seeing happening all the time of course. Visual phenomena is present right now all around. This is entirely impersonal perceptions. And these perceptions will arise and fall forever, independently of the delusion that is the idea of individuals viewing them. A human perspective is just a multiplicity/differentiation of appearances. If all people simultaneously saw white light and nothing else, there is absolute unity in that moment. Because then all that exists at all is that white light, there is no differentiation. As soon as different thoughts and sights appear again, there is again differentiation. And each ego coming out of that experience will assign the sight to itself. If you understand that there is no such thing as a viewer of visual phenomena, only the appearance of the visual phenomena, and so on with all appearances, then you will see what is meant. All appearances change. Various appearances exist and that permanent existence (commonly known as consciousness) is absolute and ungraspable. It can exist as a distant galaxy or as the sight of your front door. Completely impersonal. Nothing "belonging" to any viewers and no viewers of any visual phenomena. Wow...

If something is impersonal, any negative interpretation would only come from a person. But anyways, it seems to be a pointer of some sort which might make you have some sort of insight or realization. Don't get so attached to it, just look at where it is pointing at what the intention behind it is. From what I can see, he is pointing to the "shapeshifting" aspect of consciousness where you, and all things, are constantly changing and taking new forms, in a seemingly impersonal way. Just like when you dream, you become a dream character with no recollection of your existence as a human in the waking state, it can be seen as "impersonal" for your conscious experience to discard the waking state identity so easily.

It's impersonal because the first person perspective you have as you walk around does not belong to your human character. Your human character is housed WITHIN the perspective. For example in a video game when you are in a first person perspective it technically is not the perspective of the character but the entire game itself. The character you play in the game is no more real than the characters it interacts with. So what is the TRUE real in that game...the player who is PLAYING the character. So you as GOD are the entire perceptual bubble, the trees, the grass, the air, the people you like and dislike etc. So as a result it is IMPERSONAL, and loves everything being perceived. Does your game shut off when someone kills your character? NO, because your game you play doesn't have favorites, but when you play the character you selfishly pursue the agenda of the character. So to you the character is deeply personal, but others you see who you do not know are impersonal. When you can see all others are equally valid as the character you are playing, then you have reached an impersonal awareness. Easier said than done, this game called life will send annoying people your way just to enhance your patience and capacity to love.

What does it mean when someone says that Consciousness is an impersonal field. I don't get it... Sounds kinda negative.

Everyone is born with some type of aptitude, an advantage, something that just comes natural and sometimes they take it for granted and assume others have the same ability. What's worse is many people are not even aware they have talents and as a result believe themselves to have little to no value. Your role in life is to experiment and discover what your talents maybe. Here is a list of talents many people take for granted. Many of the listed talents are also skills as well, not all talents are skills like height for example is not a skill but it is a talent. Every talent's value is tied to its application, being tall can help in basketball but will hinder you if you wanted to be a jockey in horse racing. 1. Good at organizing gross material objects (Cleaning, tidying): Some people you can drop them into a junky room and they can figure out how to clean it, not just get rid of dirt and dust bunnies but actually put things together in an organized manner, some can even make it look stylish. This is a great ability and yes you can get paid for it, look into interior design. 2. Good listener, really good at picking up on subtle body and emotional clues along with the words spoken: A person like this can make a good interrogator, psychiatrist, Detective/Police Officer, Debater/Lawyer, Salesman, and Teacher. This is actually one of the most paramount skills you can learn, and some people just have a natural aptitude for listening. Listening can be the difference between a marriage and a divorce, getting a raise, signing a big business contract, and whether there is peace or war. Don't underestimate the power of this talent. 3. Speaking: This one is self-explanatory, your ability to communicate your thoughts clearly will get you noticed, your ability to educate or inform will get you respect, your ability to entertain will get you loved, and your ability to inspire will get you sought after. Speaking is a fundamental skill we all must learn, but as always some do have a natural aptitude to express themselves much more easier than others. 4. Fashion: In the modern world image is powerful. When trying to build a brand those that follow you design a mental image of who you are based on how you are visually represented. Your clothes, your facial expressions, your mannerisms expressed in body language, the different images and branding you use to separate yourself. Fashion isn't just the clothes you wear, its how you express yourself in it. This is the difference between someone saying "You rocking that suit man, versus "That's a rocking ass suit you got man." Think presence, the gait of your walk, your demeanor it all matters. Those who understand fashion usually become designers, and some Image Consultants. 5. Jokes: Know how to lighten up an environment with a well-timed joke? Many a comic was a victim of either bullying or hard times and used jokes as a weapon to defeat their bullies or soften the tough times. Jokes are one of the few ways where honesty can actually be rewarded. Many times people fear the truth but if you can wrap it up in a joke people can accept it and laugh at the silliness we collectively engage in. Jokes while great, are hit or miss. Jokes are a wonderful talent to have and a nice skill to develop if you lack it. 6. Restraint: Some people are naturally good at self-control, they know how to control their impulses and not allow them to run wild. Learning not to give in to emotional whims, and how to not give in to biological desires easily is a talent some are born with, but it would still need cultivation/fine tuning to turn into the powerful force it can ultimately be in your life. With restraint in place, many things like overeating, and overindulgence of any kind can become a piece of cake. 7. Forgiveness: Yes forgiveness is a talent, some people have the ability to forgive rather easily, and do not take most slights personally but develop an impersonal perspective to life. People like this can shake off sleights and misgivings of other people, and can even overcome traumatic experiences a lot easier than those who lack this talent. Think of forgiveness as your ability to be detached from the things that people have done to harm you thus allowing you the ability to move on. So there you have it some talents (that are also skills) that people can be born with that most take for granted and do not see the value in it. There are many more I could list of course I just listed the ones I noticed get overlooked a lot by people I have come across in my life. The most overlooked one I noticed is listening. As stated earlier listening is powerful it is one half of communication. As such if you master just listening alone, you are half-way from becoming a master of socialization. In fact I would argue that listening is more important than speech, since most people you deal with are self-centered and would rather hear their own voice than yours. Anyway take from this what you will, have a blessed day!!!

@Danioover9000 Shinzen young, Osho, Sadhguru, Rupert Sheldrake to name a few. You're not turquoise because you're enlightened. I wrote this some years ago about my understanding of turquoise: The Anatomy of Turquoise The 2nd, 4th, 6th and 7th chakra make up the inner workings of turquoise. Everything I witnessed fell into an open heart(4th chakra). My open 6th chakra made the love indiscriminate, totally compassionate for even the darkest side of a being. That ability to see someone in their totality, without judging its ugly sides, is what gives turquoise it's famed holism. A 2nd chakra bond was then formed with being entered my awareness, could be a part of my subtle body, psyche or could be another living being. The indiscriminate love then worked through that bond to create the desire to heal the being. Healing means making happy, as happiness is the psyche's way of signaling health. It's then perceived that the being has bonds with other beings that in turn has more bonds. These bonds continue out to a whole network encompassing every being on this planet, aka, the web of life. The open 7th chakra made this cognition cosmic rather than personal, giving a 3rd person perspective required for the impersonal nature of the 2nd tier. Ken's AQAL model is fundamentally flawed.

If Consciousness/Ultimate Reality is infinite, then an infinite number of universes is being imagined/plays right now in other realms/dimensions. All are being "run/managed" by certain levels of consciousness/beings/perspectives/Godminds/… that are obviously much larger than human consciousness, and can be accessed and understood (at least temporarily), since it is all one nondual reality, infinite consciousness. As Leo stated in his “Outrageous Experiments In Consciousness - 30 Awakenings In 30 Days, at 2h 2min”, there are endless dimensions of awakening into the mechanisms of these realms/intelligences/mechanism creating, governing and sustaining an infinite amount of dimensions/worlds/realms. Which, as he stated in that video, freaked him out - understandably. And as Leo also has stated concerning Cantor’s Theorem on Infinity: There are infinite subsets of infinities. Each is infinite, but some infinities are larger than others (see Cantors Set Theory on Infinities, very nicely summarized in Leos lovely video “Understanding Absolute Infinity - Part 2” on this topic, main points at 10 minutes, and see also in general Cantor’s Set Theory). That means that even if an infinity of realms are being imagined right now (and created/maintained by different beings/levels of reality/Godminds/Alien Godminds/…), Ultimate Reality will NEVER run out of realities/dimensions/Lilas to imagine, since some infinities are larger than others. Ultimate Reality can imagine an infinite cascade/hierarchy of parallel realities right now, and that doesn’t mean that all possible realities are being imagined right now. Since even if an Infinity of them run right now, there are infinitely larger Infinities still available as potential. And an infinity of them. Intuiting the infinity of infinities of realms/dimensions that Ultimate Reality/God can and does manifest is awe-inspiring. Assuming that for some people (as it was for myself) a big fundamental question is: How do you divide the time of your life between a) Exploring this Multiverse of an infinity of infinities of realms/dimensions (for example Psychonaut-style), and its mechanisms and structures, b) Realizing Sahaja-Samadhi, stable and blissfully abiding in totally nondual infinite consciousness that is your True Face, and seeing all clusters of sensations, including the own human self, running in the infinite totality of ones own nondual boundless infinite consciousness, as mere appearances and play in infinite consciousness, c) Helping others Boddhisattva-style. Maybe these ideas are helpful for some being faced with this question: · If the dimensions/realms/worlds are endless, the beings creating/sustaining/understanding these run upward to infinity (which means nothing else that one can never understand it all). And even if one did, there is an infinity of infinities still remaining to be manifested/imagined by Ultimate Reality. · a certain amount of exploring is for sure helpful, until one grasps that there is an infinity of dimensions, and an infinity of possible understandings on these dimensions, an infinity their manifestation mechanism, and so on. And an infinitely larger infinity of all of these still as potential “in the pipeline” of Absolute Reality. And maybe go exploring some of these. · and then realizing that as long one is not fully realized in Sahaj Samadhi, being able to constantly watch the separate self arising in the boundless nondual sea of ones own being, one does and will suffer: Not having the impersonal enlightenment of being constantly able to see all clusters of sensations of the separate self arise in the infinite boundless consciousness space that one is, one will suffer. (bodily suffering is of course always possible, but its not translated to psychological suffering via a separate self cluster of sensation arising). · Contemplate about the possibility that Ultimate Reality is extremely/infinitely intelligent, and would easily be able to block this full realization/Enlightenment and resting in Sahaj Samadhi if you have not fully and honestly taken the Boddhisattva-vow. And it tends to do just that (not as a perfect mechanism, but tendency-wise), as a safety-mechanism, to avoid too many exploitative cults with half-enlightened Gurus. How to make peace with an Infinite Ultimate Reality, manifesting itself right now in infinite worlds? Not a large number of realms and worlds, but an infinite one? And on top, even if one would understand this infinity of realms being manifested right now, that there would be an infinitely larger infinity of realms still possible, see Cantor’s Theorem above. So if you would have permanent access to your true nature, rest stable in Sahaj Samadhi, knowing the substance of all possible dimensions is your true being, would you grasp on trying to understand all this infinity of an infinity of realms and dimensions and their mechanisms/patterns, that even Ultimate Reality can continue exploring infinitely forever and never reach an end? Would you choose grasping/suffering for this ultimate complete understanding, which can never be fully had, or the happiness of enlightenment? Well, you couldn’t choose grasping. There wouldn’t be a you left that you take serious, just clusters of sensations of the remnants of the separate self that arise in you. And if these would have the choice between grasping/suffering and blissfully relaxing themselves into the infinite love of your true being, they wouldn’t choose grasping/suffering. They couldn’t choose grasping/suffering. The grasping/suffering of trying to understand all of the mechanisms/structures/patterns/… of an infinity of infinities of dimensions. Which is exactly what can be oberserved with the Enlightened Ones that rest in Sahaja Samadhi and their True Nature. Being interested in exploring some of these dimensions for sure, but not with a higher priority than resting in their True Nature, or Sahaj Samadhi. There is an archetype of a realized being, that deeply resonates in humanity. Its hallmark is its absolute happiness. Which is the same as its love. Some believe that archetype is in place for seekers to find their ways. How do you spot real, full and stable Enlightenment? Daniel Brown once said: Only in the conduct with which one lives ones life. Which is then based on love, and happiness. Maybe these thoughts resonate with some, and are helpful for some faced with the question on how to invest the time of your life, which is nothing else than one of the most fundamental questions: Where do you place your ultimate spiritual concern.