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Sounds like the third law of motion: "Each action has an equal and opposite Reaction" aka. Karma. Recent "spirituality" threads appear to converge upon "stop caring including caring about achieving that state and dissolve into nothingness (which mayn't be nothing, just mindless, thoughtless, (iterate)" or something.

When Leo talks about Reality on his blog, like in his most recent post about Math and Reality, and I look at it from the dream perspective and cognize it from that angle, it fits perfectly. It's like he's talking to the one that thinks it's a human being (the me). The separate self, the person, the separate energy that arose within the body and thinks it's separate from everything else. The dream itself. Experience itself. The mention of the words world and reality leads me to my world, my reality, my experience, my knowledge.....but without the my. It's like he's talking about how it was all formed, how it seemingly concurred. When I envision the mind part and the imagination part, I see it as Absolute nothingness being 'me' and how 'me' is dreaming up my life and everything around 'me' but not what the Absolute itself is being. I look at it as, what's appearing, is the Absolute being whatever is appearing, and that's real. What I'm dreaming about is all mind and imagination and that I'm the dream itself and also imagination itself (the ne), but the Absolute isn't a mind nor imagination. I also look at it as the Absolute being whatever is appearing through mind and imagination, but the latter can't be since the Absolute is everything there is. Meaning the Absolute/God isn't dreaming or imagining anything, I am. When I put myself in his words as the dream, as the experience, as separate from reality it fits perfectly but not in an Absolute way because the Absolute is the 'one' talking to itself, writing those words and being Leo himself. So, I see it as the Absolute/God talking to itself but referring to the 'me', the illusion. It fits perfectly then but not what the Absolute/God/Nothingness is actually being, but is also being but only seemingly and appearing to. For example, it is being a bird, but the me is seeing that bird separate from me and the dream is that which sees a separate bird because the dream is spacial but not really occurring. The sense of separateness and the dream and imagination are one but it's not really real since it's only a felt sense. Let me stop here as I think I'm confusing things a bit, not myself but the way I'm wording it to make it make sense. I'm fascinated with this exploration and will continue to explore more of this and will keep seeing if his words match up to this sense of separateness and if it resonates to the dream and illusory world and existence that i take myself to be in or is itself. I have to also keep in mind that Leo himself is also a 'me' that I see as a separate person, entity, being and how I relate to that energetically. Is he only there because I am (here), and I'm taking him to be someone actually trying to convey a message, or us he just a figment of the imaginary dream I've concocted up that I call Reality. I see the Reality he speaks about as the me's dreamlike reality that's not really there. I don't know, we'll see because I don't really see a reality, I see people, places, circumstances and objects(things), but there aren't any really since it's all nothing being everything and appearing as such and the stories and ideas about all that appears is the dream of separation. Dunno.

That’s a thoughtful post. Here’s a take on the points you’ve presented. 1- With respect to existential questions and the search for their answers, there are two interesting schools of life: the School of Necessity and the School of Futility. People will not seek to find an answer without the necessitated question at hand, which emerges within the mind and grabs the attention. Due to any number of biases, mostly cognitive and/or socio-cultural, one’s individuated consciousness is attenuated to projected likely ‘answers’, desired outcomes, or probabilities. 2- Inconsideration of the above, yes, most peeps’ world views are formed by the ‘outward’ environment, the appearing world. The cognitive and the socio-cultural biases inform one another until a certain stimulus necessitates the search for a ‘new answer’ and/or revision of a previous one. Therefore, if one has grown up in a culture (family, media, social circles, school. etc) that is dominated by say, the scientific-materialist paradigm, many or most of the so called acceptable ‘answers’ are going to appeal to that world view. All good….. Until it’s not. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum. 3- In culturo-linguistic fields, this is called immersion. And yes, the more one is immersed in a new paradigm, the more one is likely to get a sense for, adapt to, and accept the validity of said paradigm. That said, this all with respect to cognition, language, and social settings. This message board is an example of one such paradigm. Note: Some of what Leo is on and on about is learnable, so he considers himself a teacher of it. The material is all researchable on the web and subjectively valid and/or experienced, subject to prioritization, re-organizable, revisable, etc. As with all knowledge, it is impermanent, subject to entropy, and changes. When it comes to Truth, which he claims to have apprehended, one must understand that it is NOT teachable, as it is not learnable or cognizable. It is not a thing. It cannot be researched, revised, or restructured. IT must be Realized. Many will exhaust their mind’s faculties in the effort of seeking to learn more about it, and die, perhaps with some degree of knowledge of the metaphysical, high end physics or ‘spirituality’, and the like, but will never apprehend IT. With any luck, they will fall to their knees, and in that moment of surrender, get a glimpse of, or perhaps a full on apprehension of Truth will emerge, but no one knows when/if. This often takes the form of inquiry into the nature of reality and/or the nature of the self. Many others will go the other route of seeking to subdue or subvert the mind via meditation and other practices, or take drugs (some of them purddy wild, to be sure), and woo woo experiences abound. All of this is done in efforts to create different mind states in which one might get glimpses or experience transcendental states, which come and go. As with any practice or effort, there's always the potential for failure, and with Truth, it is actually quite high, because the mind is that quick and sneaky. After the oceanic feeling, mind-blowing experience, woo woo, or otherworldly event has subsided, the mind kicks in with all sorts of ‘new’ theories and/or expressions meant to clarify what was seen, experienced, or understood. Typically what happens is that the essence of any potential depth of ‘experience’ gets, shall we say, corrupted by the momentum of the dominant paradigm of one’s mind/thinking. As with all trial and error phases in life, many give up and/or find their own comfy spot. That's fine; it's just hasn't found what it was looking for. One rarely notices or fully realizes the Absence giving rise to the sense of presence, or the Nothingness giving rise to Everything, the Absolute that gives rise to the relative, etc. Lots of ways to express the journey and/or the clarity. As one immerses the attention in Truth, it continues to inform the mind of its limited capacity for which it is mostly a tool to be used in the world. But that’s the catch; states (which come and go) are always about mind, which changes. What comes and goes is NOT abiding non-dual Awareness of/as Truth: Peace, Freedom, Love, Beauty, the Good....right HERE, right NOW. And IT's ALL GOOD.

Yeah but enlightenment isnt the finish, it's a stepping stone to a new beginning. Most important thing to understand is that you cant experience everything because the nothingness/shakti/potential is what starts a new interaction with yourself. So shakti/potential is also conscious like yourself

@Leo Gura Exactly the point i was trying to make to that guy, with my understanding, it would be slightly hypocritical of you to supported either end, for what your teaching stand for, as being on partisan spectrum is 'something'. Since you understand what nothingness is than almost everyone here. I guess a 'non left' reply means a 'right supportive' reply(and vice versa) for a mind who is not aware of its own judgements. However in my personal opinion, these riots feel like an answer against the brutalities of ICE agents, not only their ways of catching someone, but their ways of keeping the people who they arrest. Separating mothers from their children, arresting students with a valid student visas and permits, etc. I think they is a better way to catch those who actually need to be tried and deported. I will say that it is very easy to fell in favor of these riots for a leftist, for the emotions it stirs, base green mindset probs.

@Carl-Richard @Inliytened1 Yes, others can see from their eyes and you can see through the eyes of others. There are others with a beating heart just like yours that are present in the ocean of consciousness. There is only presence no matter where you are, meaning others will be individualized consciousness forms that will reflect your consciousness back. Each individual will have their own path, their own reality because they're a tiny drop of consciousness in infinite ocean. The infinite ocean is like an infinite open channel, meaning all individual experiences are there but doesn't necessary mean that you were the one that had these experiences. How is this possible? Many people didn't have this realization yet, but it is because the creation is constantly interacting with potential/nothingness meaning new experiences are being created constantly. _____________________________________________________________________________ I wrote this recently in google, and it confirmed my realization about woman/energy in my past threads. As you can see shakti= the feminine aspect is the "foundational force". Meaning the feminine is the nothingness/potential that is in constant interaction with creation. When i am in meditation this shakti=feminine force always makes me orgasm first and it feels like this "shakti" force never has enough it always wants more and can go infinitely more. This is what woman are, creation is in the woman. When creation interacts with potential/shakti , "ego" is born and get individualized in the creation/ocean this is why it feels like we have no free will. Because you're getting individualized in a stable/creation that can be accessed by anyone that reached that level of understanding/truth

It's pure awareness. It's hard to explain unless you've had a direct experience (usually on psychedelics). Imagine your entire current reality - everything you see, hear, feel, and think. Notice how all of it is contained within your perception? That container - the one that holds the present moment - is consciousness. It's awareness. It's absolute purity. It's nothingness. It's God. Think of it like this: if I wanted to build a container to hold a ball, what kind of container would it be? Probably round, maybe flexible, maybe firm enough to support the ball's weight. Now, imagine I want to hold water - I'd need a watertight vessel. For fire, maybe a lantern or a fireproof bowl. To hold sound, I’d need a space that could echo or absorb vibration. Now think bigger - what kind of container could hold anything? Not just one object, but infinite objects. Not just things, but time, space, experience, emotion - the entire reality you're perceiving right now. That container would have to be absolutely formless yet capable of taking any form. It would have to be infinitely adaptable, unbounded, and ever-present. That container - the one that is always there, holding your experience no matter what it is - is awareness. It's the ultimate observer. It's God. The most direct access to God is through your mind, through your perception. Strip away everything around you - your surroundings, your thoughts, even your sense of self. Just focus on the raw ability to perceive, to witness, to simply be aware. That silent observer behind it all - the one that's just there, holding every experience - that pure experiencer is God.

When we meditate are ego get put out of its conventual way of operating. So we can say to the thought/idea/feeling of resistance something along the lines of "this will improve my ego functioning's." So the resistance is of ego has to reason to operate. There is a problem of course is that if you think the ego is something to get rid of then this wont work. I would argue that if you are a human you have ego, enlightened masters have a ego of them as nothingness. So the difference between their ego and yours is theirs is improved you can say. Thus this is what we want to achieve in mediation. With this logic you should then say to the construction of the belief system that creates resistance "meditating is improving the ego functioning's" Any if you don't believe me that is fine but my case I have seen the resistance turn into excitement to meditate. If I knew about this years ago it would of made a MASSIVE difference.

Words can become obstacles. Absolute = God = One/Infinite Mind = Nothingness

I kinda disagree with this. If one has a profound understanding of the nature of Reality, that is all One, it's all Consciousness, it's all God, it's all You/Me, then one understands that anything in Reality is exactly how it is designed to be. No matter what is occurring Now, is what God is making itself to be, and it can't be any other way than what it is. Anything that Reality is, is all equal, as it's all Consciousness, Nothingness. It's all equally meaningless. So if reality is being part of a cult, or running a cult and having 'followers', that is what God/Consciousness wanted to be. And it's just as nothingness, meaningless, a dream, as anything else it could be.

One is really Infinity (same as 0, or Nothingness) Hard to express with numbers.

Yes. The limited mind is an unstoppable meaning making machine: I know what this means. I suggest as a pointer, the only meaning to ponder usefully is, what is this for? Do I seek to keep all this alive or do I want to break free. When I ask what does this table mean, that is the question I contemplate. From this perspective everything has one meaning. I put this here so I could see its nothingness giving me yet another shot at seeing everythingness.

God is not nothingness, the source of reality is openenss. It's not something nor nothing, it's absence of limitations. From that infinite dimensions inevitably arise. They never begun and just now you are that. You can't understand the source of reality positively, if you do, it isn't. The path of negation inevitably leads to limitlessness as the foundation of everything. It is not being, not consciousness, not unity, not emptiness, not totality, not witness. It is absolute openness, non-obstruction, the unnameable that allows all forms without being any. From this arise being, non-being, consciousness, love, life, death, intelligence, god, as relative manifestations. Being is relative, without relation there is not being. Not being is so real than being, but being is, let's say, evident. Being is just appearance, same than god. Appearance means something that arises. Even it arises always, its relative. The only absolute is limitlessness . Not being are the infinite potential relationships that are not possible, being are what are possible Then, to be one with your nature you have to detach yourself totally from everything, even from being and conciousness. What you are is no limit, anything else is a relation that arises from this . Even the infinite being is just an arising, a consequence not a cause. There are infinite infinites, and all of them are relative

@PurpleTree from what I understand you are saying that decentralized is an illusion. Is God an illusion as well? I mean isn’t God = Nothingness? If God is Nothingness, how is she constructing this dream called life?

How is infinity recognized as such? How is nothingness recognized, how is “no limits” recognized? For recognition needs something that recognizes and something that is recognized. It needs duality. Or maybe it’s the duality that makes infinity obvious because it stands as a contrast. So when duality collapses it’s in that collapse that infinity is recognized, without it , it wouldn’t. I don’t know. Just random thought

That could be very likely what's happening. In the end everyone and everything are one in the substance .all of reality is made of one substance. You could call it God or nothingness or love or being etc..I don't care . There is an underpinning unity of all of creation. Isn't that obvious? People who raise their consciousness as Leo said by taking psychedelics start to experience the boundaries between objects dissolving ..and the boundaries between themselves and the world dissolving..and more importantly the boundaries between themselves and "others " dissolving. Isn't It obvious that I'm you either in a past or future incarnation and that you are talking to yourself right now ? Why do you think Jesus taught to love your enemies? Isn't it because your enemy is you ?

@Carl-Richard Yesterday I said I understood your reply to me in another thread, but actually reflecting upon it and seeing this post I have some things to add here: As I see, the teaching of the world is Maya is a pointer to the spiritual seeker to turn inward, forget the world and ultimately realize Nothingness. But if we do a little bit of search and read around spiritual traditions, we see that there have been teachers that said that "Empitiness is form, form is empitiness". From my explorations, this is truthful, the distinction between Consciousness(the top of the pyramid) and the World(Maya) is a illusory distiction made only to direct the spiritual seeker towards the right direction. But in the end, this distinction doesn't actually exist, you could say it, in a way, it serves only to direct the seeker. When you are looking at forms(limits) you are actually looking at the entire of reality, this is what interconnectedness, and Indras-net means. So the forms are not really limited, it is infinite too. Every part is total, complete. And with this, you get the solipsism that Leo is talking about. There's only one total thing being reflected infinitely in every other part, it's YOU.

Does Nothingness Exist?

I'll just keep my ass over here where I can freely write out my thoughts as long as it's within guidelines and leave those Spiritualists alone who don't care to want to hear anything that doesn't align with their dream constructs. Nobody cares what you have to say anyway. They're just here to express themselves with hopes that the rest resonates. Even when questions are asked and advice requested, it's still hoping and wishing to hear what they want to hear. I'm staying away now from even giving advice to anyone because it's not needed unless it's specifically asked of me. I've had enough of people telling me off about my views on things and I don't care to hear it anymore. I don't want to continue to mess up people's hopes and dreams of what it is they're hoping to see, hear or get from whatever it is they're hoping to see hear or get from life. There's enough spiritualists on here giving their two cents on what reality is about and what they think is happening, the less the better. Most only pay attention to the big man with the beard on the throne or the known guru who has followers anyway, so my little two cents is just a fly in the wind of nothingness that disappears from their existence the moment it's seen and only brings irritation and confusion to those who are trying to get something from it. It really doesn't matter if I contribute anything to the spirituality section, make a post or comment or respond, it's just talk and concepts and ideas. Won't change a thing. Won't make a difference in people's lives. Won't awaken or enlighten anyone and only brings on dislike, disgust, resentment and arguing. I'll just stick to my musings on the topic over here and whoever reads it it's on them. I distinctly note that they're my own writings and are not claims to be the truth or that I know anything to be the case. They are my thoughts on whatever I'm writing about and most of the time, if not all, is automatic, spontaneous and free-flowing. It's better this way because no one takes you seriously anyway and I don't want to be taken seriously because life ain't that serious. It's only serious to those afraid and attached and need to get something from it to cling to. I've been there done that and realize that nothing is forever and that life is to be lived not owned. Not even to be enjoyed because it will come at you with hurtful things all the time. It is to be lived which includes all the hurtful and negative things that will come our way. Why would I take something like that seriously. I don't take my pain seriously so I won't take my joys seriously either.

I wtote this based on my own experience. Woman is outside of man And man is in the woman Man is creation and the creator Woman is the potential and nothingness On the highest level of consciousness, man=creation is rubbing against woman=nothingness=potential. When this happends love/ecstasy is a byproduct but it wont be enough and you become one with nothingness leaking energy to the woman=nothingness and there is no ecstasy no more. Woman is an illussion that you will always crave, but if you discipline yourself without leaking any energy to physicality and thought you become one in your own creation.

If God is in eternal nothingness forever and is experiencing itself being every possible perspective does God ever run out of perspectives to see if he's here forever for example God can be a fish a bird a human a alien and everything in between every variation of that in every other possibility there is such as a Rick and Morty universe but what happens when God lives through every single one of these and I know the number is absolutely exponentially big however a number with 16 trillion zeros behind it is nothing in comparison to sitting in eternity does God just go back and live through things he's already live through once it gets to this point because say God lives through many lives finally realizes himself then what he forgets and does it all over again but when he does do it all over again is it in a different way or is he just going down the same water slide essentially my question boils down to this Yes I know that this dream we live in feels even more real than real itself this dream has immaculate detail in diversity probably beyond a trillions however in eternity does this match up does he eventually loop around in a big see if possibilities I know the sea is really big but I don't know if it could truly be infinite it was seem to be eventually down the line that it would have to repeat eventually even if that's after billions trillions zillions of zeros of things and perspectives that God lives through or is it that beautiful where it has a power to truly keep getting new and I don't even know what that really means but you get the concept for God to be beyond beyond. Thanks for taking the time to read I just want to use a quick PSA in apologize for the lack of grammar I'm using voice text trying to get my thoughts out this question has been driving me off the wall for many years and I'm just trying to get it out there thanks to everyone

Vortex, or no vortex This is a question, sortve. not really Definition: The universe encompasses everything that exists: all space, time, matter, and energy. It includes everything from galaxies and stars to planets and even you. What we call galaxies and universes i think is slightly mis categorizing what i think it should be called, which is either a vortex (from the vantage point, a swirling area of space time that has a very bright light at the center—which is all of the recently expelled galaxies filled with bright light), or, not-a-vortex (parts from a vantage point that appear dissonant) and these galaxies dont only drift into nothingness, though, that is part of what they do... they are consumed by black holes, which spits out some material, and the materials go somewhere... there isnt a wall though, so unfortunately everything just gotta drift on endlessly, but its proportional to everything else that had drifted, like whoever was the first thing out first is leading the way on being at the edge of lonliness, and is also THE SLOWEST. Its unclear how anything forms though, and how you get lots of energy holding hands so tospeak, and i think at some point someones gotta look at it and be like (this dont make any sense) and the amount of sense that it doesnt make outweighs everything we think we know, and we're just waiting til everyone realizes it. Its either, vortex or no vortex, waitin til everyone realizes it dont make sense. And what their opinion is on, like if things dont make sense,t 🤔 WHatnow?-type questions.

@kbone The mind is what it's trying to grasp. The mind is a mirage, impermanent, and not self, but Who is doing the seeing through mirage? Nothingness/Infinity is not separate from you. There is no reunion because separation is an illusion that consciousness plays on itself. The Illusion of separation creates the beauty and absolute Truth of non Duality. But non Duality doesn't exclude duality, form and speration. Speration is unity in disguise. Your just not seeing it because you are attached to detaching from form, you forgot the other half of the equation. Formless and form are One, not two.

Think about it like this: Anarchy from a political perspective is when there is no "higher authority" governing the society, e.g no national government. If this was how we structured society, we would have no way of determining whose perspective was more true. Because in order to say "this is more true", you'd ultimately have to ground it in a higher authority, like law. Otherwise, it's just your opinion. This is what is happening on an ontological level. Because reality is infinite, it must also necessarily be One. And because it's One, it cannot have a higher outside authority. So reality itself is an anarchist system of an infinite number of perspectives. Can we as humans side-step this intractable epistomolgoical problem? Sure can. We can built normative realist ethics, create law & order, prop up educated people as authority figures and back it all up with state-sponsored coercion. And for most practical purposes, this works well enough. But epistemologically, the problem has not ultimately been solved. We've mostly just wrapped it up with duct-tape and proclaimed "good enough". And indeed it is...unless you are interested in serious truth-seeking. If you are interested in serious truth-seeking, eventually you have to come to grips that all our human attempts to ground reality will fail. This is feature, not a bug of reality. It's how it must be, but it's also disorienting from a human perspective. Because we very badly want to be able to ground our worldview in some higher authority in order to generate a sense of "this is real". Without that higher authority, suddenly you may feel like you are sliding into total epistemic chaos. What you have to ultimately reground your epistemology in then is not relativism, but the Absolute itself. Which is infinity. Infinity is both the reason for mind-boggling relativism of reality and the Absolute. It is the ground, but it is also Nothingness. The problem with being a strict relativist is that it denies the Absolute.

Very interesting. For me meditation is openess. As humans, we have many energetic shut-off mechanisms. Meditation involves first looking at them directly, then allowing them to deactivate, to dissolve. This takes time. Then, allowing total opening to the limitless, to our true nature. It's not nothingness, silence, or emptiness; it's total.