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I understand what you mean illusions within Illusions dreams within dreams. This is why I talk about nothing mattering ? Recently been studying into Ajata Sunyata... or the recognition that there's nothing from the start. Here's a little piece of it: "Advaita tells us that reality is “not two”. Ajata tells us that it is “not even one". Ajata translates as “no creation”. This means to say that nowhere has anything ever come into being. Therefore, the entire universe (or universes) — and everything therein — has no reality. In other words, the ultimate condition is nothing, or nothingness. Advaita is to ajata, as milk is to cream. In Advaita, we come to realize that “all that is, is That,” or the Absolute. Ajata is where we subsequently come to realize that there is not even That (or the Absolute). Technically, from the standpoint of ajata, even nothingness is non-existent" -- Robert Wolfe I'm really not sure if this is even what you're describing but sounded similar ? I'm not sure why anything would be a disservice though because there isn't an 'I'

1 What is enlightenment? 2 Awakening to the truth? 1 What is truth in one word? 2 Non-dual. 1 Is non-dual one word or two? 2 They are a two words that form one word. 1Is-this-one-word? 2 No. 1 Why not? 2 That's a sentence. 1 Why? 2 Because it has more than one word that conveys a message. 1 What is the truth in only one word? 2 Consciousness. 1 What is consciousness? 2 Nothing. 1 What is nothing? 2 Lack. 1 No. 2 Emptiness? 1 No. 2 Nothingness. 1 That's a redundancy. 2 Me. The answer is me. 1 Who are you? 2 What do you mean? 1 Answer the question. 2 I'm just myself. 1 What's that? 2 Whats what? 1 You. That which you are. 2 I'm still figuring myself out. 1 How? 2 I experiment try to see what feels right. 1 Examples? 2 My whole life I've been trying to find life conditions that feel right. 1 Based on what? 2 Survival. 1 Who's survival? 2 You're waiting for me to say "me" 1 Who am I? 2 Why are you asking me that? 1 Who am I? 2 Actually who are you? 1 Why are you actually? 2 What game is this? 1 Who said we are playing a game? 2 Pfft... Whatever. 1 You're losing focus. Who are you what am I and what is truth? 2 I don't know to be honest, I just create ways to try to gain an understanding of it. Science, material analasys. So forth 1 Do you conduct existence science? 2 What that? 1 When you try to create ways to grasp the truth. 2 Yeah..That's called spirituality, when you try to get enlightened. 1 What is enlightenment? 2 Only Enlightened people know. 1 Who is a people? 2 Us. 1 Who's us? 2 You and me? 1 Is US a sentence or just a word? 2 It's a word. 1 Us references a you and a me united as an us. 2 Lol that last part of what you texted me sounds like anus. 1 Pfft! 2 Hahahahaa 1 Lol. What did you first say truth was? 2 Non-dual. 1 No. 2 Why? 1 Because it's not me thats playing the game you're playing yourself! 2 Ummm. So are you like an atheist? 1 No, I believe there is just the infinate play of form we are all unique and we are all part of the non-dual nature of reality. It's like a movie but we are in the movie. An IRL movie that never ends. God goddesses any ways to describe nothingness. Doesn't do nothingness justice. I'd like to say nothing is everything and everything is nothing. It's the same. Consciousnesses is the universe, the universe itself is the play of form. Always changing. So consciousness is like the synthesis. Form the thesis and void the antithesis. If I we're to describe it in the Hegelian dialectic. I think therefore I exist is a reflection of the I- the created and personality void plays as a role as each of us in our own bodies. Is created by the thought. The mind is like the Internet bringing form out of void. An early stage, the seed or mental image. Everybody has a web domain and an IP address. Everyone has a corner of the internet to personalize. As Jesus said, what you reap, you sow. So reap good stuff to see good stuff happen. The mental content you create you add to a larger structure that is a mental prison that causes suffering in it's need to cling to it out of fear. Fear comes from lack of understanding. I do believe radical and mystical feelings of being one with everything as a whole is possible. Through mental expansion of understanding. Do your science. Life is the science of life. You are YOUR world. The flower. The mental is the seed. What is truth? 2 Us. 1 Are we non dual? 2 Yes. 1 Yes!❤

Nothing from the start... Nothing is everything... 0 is Infinite... Emptiness is fullness(pregnant nothingness)... Knowing is a trap... Unknowing is freedom... When you stamp something as known you just limited yourself... When you say I don't know you free yourself... Belief is a prison sentence... Of course the only complete freedom is that which never could be free or bound... Pure Void!!

?? Presenting to you, nothingness ?

There is no answer because there is no one here to ask a question. Question and answer = complete emptiness It's coming from nothingness and arriving at nothingness

If fear is an illusion as ACIM says, then what is illusion? Let's define illusion: Definition: Illusion is nothingness. And the definition of definition is nothingness. Isn't that circular reasoning? Not in certainty logic. In certainty logic such statement is valid. Why is there something rather than nothing? The answer is because nothingness is sameness and something is difference. This is getting pretty mind twisting. An example might be in order: Take for example the statement "2 = 2". Does this statement equal sameness? No it doesn't. Because the two numbers "2" are at different locations in space. So the belief that the statement represents sameness is an illusion. Circular reasoning is always nothingness. When we try to say that 2 equals 2 then that's circular reasoning. Hmm... The example maybe made the logic even more mind twisting, lol. Well, the idea is something like that. I will ponder it a bit more.

Journal, mood: at peace meditation: none thoughts and feelings: 1) I awoke from my nap with my brain vibrating. I felt so holy. I then did a practice of appreciation and people started coming into my room. I focused on this and literal reality started to morph. It chapped before my eyes. I have never seen reality so perfect and still, yet not still. I knew at that moment this was what I was seeking my whole life. Don't get me wrong, I've been so at peace my mind stops and "this" is so so... so unexplainable. However, this was just on a whole new level. I've gone deeper down the rabbit hole. Edit: I remember watching everything perfectly fall into place. Anything someone said was so alive. A song came on "The house of the rising sun" from my moms phone and I just saw absolute perfection and alinement. This is what the seekers seek in their journey to nothingness. (I just felt like writing these words. I have no belief or attatment however the word just flowed out of me. It felt so "right" to type them. So perfect. So wonderful.) second edit: I realized why I had this knee jerk negative reaction to "this is what the seekers seek in their journey to nothingness" it felt like a pure arrogant statement even though I didn't have that intention. Dillusion, etc. I know nothing. I keep realizing that it goes deeeper and deeper.

Without thoughts, ideas, imagination and beliefs there is no Universe and there is No God Consciousness. The Void means absolute Nothingness, that includes No God Consciousness as a creator creating the Everything, the All-That-Is. Is that what your really want? Is that what you really want to strive for? Is that what you want to focus your attention on for the rest of eternity? I have been given the Gift of thoughts, ideas, imaginations, beliefs, feelings and emotions, and I would rather focus my consciousness on Beingness, and Being in the moment on this wonderful creation called "life". There is no "Life" in the Void of Nothingness, just potentials, which requires, thoughts, ideas, imaginations etc., to give birth to those potentials. That is what consciouness becomes and is. Like my Father-In-Law always says… Do as you like, and live a day longer! A student sharing thoughts, ideas and beliefs!

This is a simple meditation technique that helps me to break away from sensation and thought. Set yourself up to meditate however you feel comfortable, this is not an active meditation so it is not recommended for when attention on other activities is required. Open with love and gratitude for all that is, when your mind has begun to settle start noticing all thoughts and sensations, do not go into each, just mentally accept and say "thank you" and move onto the next until you find very few objects in your mind. Eventually you will be able to say thank you to a thank you and it will propell you into deeper and deeper states until consciousness is very subtle. Stay in nothingness and rest there, if you find new mind objects arising return to thanking. Expect nothing, resist nothing. Just be. Insights can arise at this point which can be accepted gently in this delicate space. Love.

@Insightful27 Have you purchased Leo’s booklist? Read God is Nothingness and SantataGamana’s books for learning real yoga. Maybe start a blog, post whatever you’re interested in. Hope that’s useful.

No more dreaming here only Awakeness. The everything that is sought for is recognized within the nothingness that it is. Yes. Unconditional love for no one.

@Leo Gura See that there is no way of conciousness being more or less conscious of itself, when all there is is conciousness. It always knows only itself, either as a finite form or as its pure being of nothingness. God is always fully awake. It doesn't get created. If it would, there would have to be a thing like unconciousness. Unconciousness could by definition never become conscious. Conciousness is the absolut, non-dual There is no such thing like "more total levels". It's TOTAL! Yes! You cannot go deeper than the understanding that conciousness creates everything. There is nothing beyond the creation of everything, is there?

Unknowing is what was surrendered to here... There is no direction to go or not go... There is no path... you can't move towards or away from everything... There are no right or wrong's, should or should not, this over that... You can't go wrong when every option is everything... Staying put is the same as doing something... There isn't a higher power judging anything... There appears to be some kind of boundless pure potential energy but it's empty and void of any meaning or purpose... You could say this energy transcends meaning purpose value truth, but that would just be a projection of the Mind... Its THIS... and it can't be grasped by the human mind it can't be put in a box labeled and given a direction because it's everything and simultaneously an empty nothingness.. You simply can't go wrong because everything is IT!!!

@Leo Gura I acheived this enlightenment and greater from cannabis and tobbaco combined. The combination is perfect. Jump up and down notice form going up as you go down and as you go down form goes up. We are not bodies we are invisibility and nothingness pretending to be a me and a you. There is no man and no woman. Remember NONDUALITY.

When it's recognized that even the apparent mind that creates illusion is also illusion.... emptiness no thing pregnant nothingness... Boundlessness... holyshitness When Even Silence is not it.... Its......................

INSIGHT #3 (today) 40 minutes session - half of it in a meditative pose, closed eyes - half of it laying on the bed, OPEN eyes, staring at the room It seems like SIGHT and INTERNAL TOUCH (bodily sensation) are completely disconnected. We actually THINK about their connection, thus creating a false sense of connection between "image of a leg" and "sensation of a leg". Also.... what is a leg? Is it the image? is it the touch sense? It cannot be both, because those senses seem to be disconnected. One is a cinema screen (sight) , the other seems to be.... very muddy, very MYSTERIOUS. What is touch? Oh my god... after my 40 mins session I've come to a partial conclusion that touch is actually a VERY MYSTERIOUS perception, which creates some kind of energy fluctuating IN THE VOID!!!! So.... to make it more dramatic and more shocking: You see your leg, but that's just a picture, a painting of a leg, and it has NO sensations, apart from the seeing sensation. But when you think that you "feel" the internal/external touch of your leg.... that seems to be a HUGELY MYSTERIOUS UNKNOWN SENSATION. It has no correlation with the actual depiction of the leg! So.... what happens is that you USE THOUGHT to create this picture-touch complex, which doesn't exist in experience. But thought creates this kind of ghost connection between "eyesight" and "skin-feeling/internal feeling". Still I can't grasp the nature of touch... it really seems to be a random energy fluctuating in the void of nothingness ---------------------------------------------- I'll keep you updated.

@fridjonk I want to separate his teachings from him because i dont know anything about him. His teaching's orientation is what makes it less integrative than Rupert's. His drive is to 'figure out' or contemplate deeply reality. Thats literally his teaching's focus(his teachings before i made this post because after making that post i stopped watching him). He has a very sharp, pointed focus on unravelling the 'how' consciousness works. And he unravels many fragmented aspects, from love, intelligence, bliss, Moo(nothingness), and there's a drive to figure it out. Its like this huge curiosity, single focus on 'figuring it out'. If you check out other teacher's teachings, they arent so limited, and subject themselves to just this single pointed focus of deep contemplation and 'figuring things out'. There's emphasis on how to live with what you've figured out in your day to day life: work, relationships, family problems. How to practice spirituality while living life. How to embody bliss, how to constantly Be peace(in contrast to what Leo does which is, fuck embodying peace, lets go figure out what the fuck Love is, quench ya curiosity). How to constantly be compassionate in times of covid. See the focus is much more on living with mystical insight in day to day life. And generally these sort of rupert spira teachings goes beyond Leo's drive to know more and more about consciousness, its either beyond it, or its just a different orientation. Just a different focus. Leo focuses on knowing more and more, others focus on living through all aspects of life: work, relationships, blissfully, from a different perspective. Could be wrong, but people like Charlie are conflating the 2. Leo has said in a blog post that he's not a zen master but an explorer, and he said on the forum he's passion is studying God, and he wants to do that for another million years. Its clearly a different focus. A lot of sadhguru's advice actually contradicts Leo's. Sadhguru constantly emphasises not taking the path too seriously, being to enthusiastic, and single pointed focus on the path, and taking the ideas of the path too seriously, and he always reminds his audience to treat both spirituality and mundane life equally. To live mundane life to the fullest. And forget spirituality for a while here and there. Leo's the exact opposite, constantly thrusting his audience into more and more hardcore spiritual practices. And he's getting more serious. This comes at a cost: a cost of forgetting to embody, forgetting spirituality is not special, and there's a beautiful life beyond psychedelics, contemplation and non dual ideas. To live a happy life, there needs to be at least some sort of satisfaction. You can't enjoy your life having a need to search deeper and deeper into the godhead. Thats why a balance between hard core Leo/Ralstone and softcore sadhguru is good. Like you've gotta ask why does Leo just want to know more and more and more? And aint ever satisfied? Because I've certainly been in states where i was completely satisfied and felt like just basking in it and living from that place. Because Leo's drive for more is in itself a particular state, not an absolute state.

Yes absolutely there's apparently Something Happening Here and it's completely empty... a pregnant nothingness happening for No One.. Nothing will die because nothing was born. Ultimate phenomenon.... best in town ?

Thanks for sharing. I like that analogy. I had an insight while reading it. Identifying as the blank awareness as viewing everything as external, if done completely, in theory, would be identical to identifying as everything or God. Also, identifying as consciousness is identical to identical to identifying as nothingness which is identical to Everything. It always comes full circle.

It's a waste of effort trying to self actualize. If a body wishes to be in actualization simply, be silent and aware feeling peaceful. Place awareness on instances where all thought disappears and reappears. Self-actualization is ideological based. It's conceptual. As well as self actualization will mean something different for each body. Thaughts simply appear and fade. Thaughts and mental images are simply sights and sounds. The awareness of what is referenced is experienced the word sight and sound simply are labels. Thoughts and mental activity is simply form experienced in nothing. Nothing as a non-local local. Local as where experience is attainable. Where awareness reaches. That is not experienced in the physical sense. Physical only exists in the body. No-self means no-body. It is ironic how a "nobody" is a slur against those without wealth status or do not meet petty and foolish expectations. To place expectations on anothers to meet for the ego's standards for love is what the ego does against other egos and against the own ego. So an ego at war with itself creating subdivisions all in conflict. Suffering is caused by the alienation of the body from full awareness of the compulsive need for identification disappear by identifying as no-body. The persona is a mask. And realizing that the self is nothingness. Incorperealness is the self. Consciousness is the self. Freedom is independence from identification with Maya or a partition of form. All form including the body. It's like trying to force a square in a circle whole. This realization and the mystical wonderment of stepping into Nirvana even for a few seconds and a realization this intense feels new compared to past experiences of realization. Or Revelations.

@universe Type of thinking= Just a different stage of thinking. Also, I would introduce him to oneness and nothingness, etc. In my experience, that can be a lot for people to handle sometimes. I didn't mean he would get mean, just perhaps think I'm "crazy", or perhaps go a little "crazy" himself. I'm all about limiting suffering (even if it is made up, we still feel it) and I don't want anyone to suffer from something I said or did, if I can prevent it. And even if I can't prevent it, it was will be what is supposed to be. Universe magic. Also, technically it is both his and my problem. We are one in the same. Everything is connected. Everything is one. And 100 percent, framing it as "non-woke" was just a funny way to phrase someone at a different level of consciousness and awareness. But ya'll didn't get my hip, catchy phrasing. Also, I don't see any problems. I was mainly looking for caring and gentle ways to introduce oneness to someone. In no way was I attacking or finding problems with him or anyone. People are where they are on their journey, and that is beautiful. The potential for discovery is exponential. That is love.

Been there and bought the tee-shirt. I went through that dark night as well, are you kidding me, I am still going through that dark night, but less intense. (“Dark night”, is just a label I use to mean “an intense change of old habits, patterns and beliefs). Here is my take on “All That Is”, (I’m trying to get away from the label of “God Consciousness” because no matter how conscious you think you have become it still has some lingering juice and affiliation with Religion hidden in the unconscious human mind), is a vast dream state of Consciousness and Energy that dreams up all physical realties, all thoughts, ideas, feelings, and probable existences. So here is the conflict that I face when breaking through layers of consciousness and awareness; we are all in a physical “Earth Dream” that has accepted the predominant thoughts and ideas from either the evolutionist and creationist belief systems, Religious or Scientific paradigms, either consciously or unconsciously. It’s embedded within the Human Collective Mind Belief System and individual Ego Mind Consciousness. The emotions and turmoil I feel, as I break through each layer of consciousness, are the result of breaking through the Human Collective thought patterns, ideas, beliefs, and feelings that I have accepted and have embedded into my physical and mental “self” over the last 60 years as a participant of the Collective human conditioning and societal experience. The awkward feelings, emotions and energy I experience, are the result of my “NEW” thoughts, ideas, beliefs, imaginations, feelings, emotions struggling to change, release and denounce the “OLD” Human Collective thought patterns, ideas and beliefs etc., that I have carried within the physical, mental “self” all these years. The “Alone” feeling is normal and is part-and-parcel of becoming conscious and awake. We are leaving our “Family” of “old” familiar thoughts, ideas, beliefs, feelings, emotions, and even some relationships behind, to explore higher levels of conscious thoughts, ideas, beliefs, etc., that no-longer resonate with the “OLD”. I have found that it is almost impossible to eliminate all of my thoughts, ideas, beliefs, feelings and emotions from the “Self’. It is my belief that if one were to eliminate them entirely, one would no longer exist in this physical reality, or even in the “All That Is” because Consciousness needs all of them to be Creator and Creation. What I have found to be helpful is to “Create” new thoughts, ideas, beliefs etc., that resonate with the changes you are going through. Don’t get caught-up in the “Void of Nothingness” that many people in these forums worship or strive. The “All That Is”, is much more diverse, exciting and fun to explore than trying to obtain or become Nothing! If any of the ideas that I used in this Post resonate with you, I highly recommend reading some of the books from Seth (Start with “Seth Speaks”). Seth will go much more into detail than what I have shared here with you, with more advance material than any other books I have read over the years. The Seth material will help you integrate the changes you are experiencing with your thoughts, ideas and belief, and will help you experience and understand higher levels of consciousness. Just remember, "you are not alone"! Just sharing some thoughts, ideas, beliefs!

@Javfly33 the nothingness remains eternally nothingness & the evolution is infinite in infinite dimensions... and when dealing with anything infinite... even "evolution" is really just apparent evolution ... no start, no end... like the tv screen unchanged but it can play an infinite number of movies

@Inliytened1 This it is nothing, yeah. But my question would be "where this nothingness is evolving"? Or "to what new realms of apparent forms will be this nothingness convert itself to"?

I know that I know that I know it. Although I may pass for a poet, Or'f'ever I thought me be wise; 'Ts'all Nothingness, naught, O surprise! Say that name to me again, Dear family's known me since then, What was it they'd spoken thus far? But it's blank, bracketed, bar. You may fail in getting this sense, But you reading is not but pretense, 'Cause I am reading, it's you who'd wrote it, I am laughing now at this strange poet! I laugh also at poetry, And at the chance of you knowing me, Because I am nothing, that's all. Am nothing at all...