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Yes, this is a fragmented piece of reality defending itself . So come at me, myself . And I don't give a fuck about your linguistics about enlightenment. Again, if you feel it's time for the EVENTUAL experiencing of another dimension, go ahead Us rest on earth will chill out and try to enjoy the beauties, and not pussy out in trying to improve this reality of consciousness. We will all die eventually anyway. Not saying suicide is wrong, but not either saying its right .

After I have clearly seen the nature of non-duality in my experience, I get to verify the authority. As I said in my previous post, I don't go by authority; I verify if they are saying the truth based on my own experience. I quote people only when I know that they are saying the truth. But this can only happen when the dream is completely transcended. The dream still continues but you are really out of it.. And it is clear you don't have any idea of what I am talking about. So, I can only give you a warning; Don't fool yourself... That is all I can say... All nonsense about interactions with aliens and paranormal stuff is within the dream. There is really no difference between walking on a road and flying in the sky. Both of them happens within the dream of duality. What you have written is exactly how the mind interprets non-duality without transcending duality. For me, most of the posts that you have made shows evidently and clearly that your whole understanding of enlightenment and spiritual path is wrong. Ask any truly enlightened person, his response will be the same as mine. I am seeing a dangerous trend in this forum. It is walking straight on the road to become a delusional cult. Now, Ramana Maharshi can be wrong, Osho can be wrong, Nisargadatta can be wrong, Buddha can be wrong and every genuine guru that I have verified is wrong; But a 6 delusional people (whoever taught you this nonsense) is right! Good luck with that. Again, don't bring the authority bias in. I will be the first person to speak against authority bias; my authority is what I have seen as truth without a single iota of doubt; It is the truth that I have seen after about 25 years of seeking (starting from age 10, in reality) with tremendous suffering, extensive reading, tears, pains, suicide attempts, depression, mental masturbation, yoga etc, you name it! I still haven't seen one person in my life who has gone through whatever I have gone through. I have spent hundreds of sleepless nights when I was 15, staring at the stars, wondering about the existence and trying to make sense of it. I also know that you will interpret what I have said just now from your state of mind... But I have said all I can say. Your thought process clearly reflects that you are still a seeker. So don't fool yourself and wipe out the layer of arrogance that has formed in your mind.. And stop trying to figure out enlightenment by thinking and mental masturbation! That is never going to happen, even after having tons of spiritual experiences.. Because, as soon as the experience is over, you are back in duality, interpreting a memory through the filters of duality.

@Timotheus "Im tempted to commit suicide. Been struggling for like 15 years on that one." much love my friend. it gets better, keep fighting but most importantly keep applying! Many times when I get suicidal, I recognize that its "a thought"

I'm tempted to to drugs again. (Almost 2 years sobriety). And yeah this meat thing, I resonate with that too @Soulbass I'm tempted to commit suicide. Been struggling for like 15 years on that one. I'm tempted to go to jail and meditate my ass off (lots of time). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The very same person who introduced me to Osho´s teachings one time said when we were discussing Ted: "To bad he got dragged in to a nasty cult and ended up killing himself" not knowing she talked about Osho and his people. Lol. Because of Ted,s suicide, Rajneeshpuram is widely and heavily demonized here in Sweden. @MarkusSweden Jepp Svensk.

@MarkusSweden Ted was on the edge of a meltdown many times, he often took antidepressants when performing. Probably 95% of the people in Sweden who knows about Osho, knows him as the cult leader of the nasty, dangerous cult in Oregon that led to Ted,s suicide.

Sometimes you are just born knowing how things work. Once the information is presented you are flooded with the lost memories and core understandings you once had. Every single person is part of one eternal consciousness, whoever lived, is living and has yet to live is all you in another stage of life thus all the Buddhist monks and other forms of life that understand the process. Life is a school where we learn and grow, continuously but if we don't learn and pass our grades, we only recycle the same experiences until we do. Its simple universal understanding and function. Suicide is the only thing that continuously recycles the experience and is the only thing that inhibits growth. @youngshinzen Hope this helps

Hopefully its only 2c-b because suicide will only lead to being reincarnated in the same dimensional reality and life lifestyle patterns until you learn your lesson and grow from it. There is no escape, freedom comes from within.

uhh... specifically, how? depending on the answer, maybe you should consider calling a suicide hotline first

That's good commitment. But eh, in the case of actual suicide, you'd be probably going into another body (or have be it a failed attempt t for what ever reason), because there's still too much attachment of self. If you really want to let go, you can already do so right now, your body is not preventing that, your mind is.

Ok! I like this part, especially what you said about person A and person B. I have mentioned the person B type here. However, you talked about karma in your video and your blog. https://actualized.org/insights/understanding-karma And, that life is a school and everything is interconnected. You said that somewhere in your blog. That means, you can't just accept the fact that your leg is being sawed off and then you are happy and fulfilled, and you'll become no-self after you die, and you think that's how it works. Nope. The chances are higher to get closer to the no-self (after death) if you start to learn all your lessons in life. There has been reports of ppl experiencing hell phenomenon of some kind (a dimension of it) after a suicide attempt. They took it as they have not lived their life to the fullest.

What is "life purpose", "good" and "benefit"? Who decides what is "beneficial"? These are abstract concepts with many different view points. What if someone started personal development and became depressed for years with an attempted suicide. Would this be "good" or "bad" for them? Now imagine that person reaches complete despair and has an awakening. They clearly see the underlying truth of their depression/suffering and can let go of their attachments. They experience deep liberation and creates a program to assist depressed people toward awakenings. Would the personal development that caused years of depression be considered "good" or "bad" for them? Who decides what is good or bad? The individual? The community? A mathematical algorithm? A stage blue perspective would be more like: Everyone is born with Original Sin. Only God can forgive sins. Going to church confession to ask God for forgiveness is *good*. Sinning without confession is *bad*. . . This was the messaging I received in a Stage Blue strict Catholic upbringing. Every time I questioned these beliefs I was told The Bible says so and the Bible is the word of God. Black or white. There was no room to discuss shades of gray such as: is a *little sin* without confession just a *little bad*? What is the threshold "badness" for something to be classified as a "sin"? A white lie? Lusting for a secretary? . . . Why are some proclamations in the Bible considered sin (lying to your parents) but others are not considered sin (wearing clothing with mixed fibers)? How can a sin be absolute if different denominations disagree on whether it is a sin?. . . NO ONE in my upbringing wanted to engage in these questions. They kept coming back saying that I either believe in God and His teachings or I don't. Don't question God - he can work in mysterious ways. The bible says so. . .

Maybe you’ve already noticed that our life is a battleground between various forces and entities. Before ego is fully gone, forces of light won’t grant us full protection, and we are mostly powerless puppets in the hands of dark forces and also many other forces. One of them is Satan or He-who-must-not-be-named because why grab his attention. It is just one name of very very ancient spirit who rebelled against the Source. As far as various mystics concerned, his main purpose is power over Earth and every other worlds as much as possible, he doesn’t limit himself. Little things that HE makes you to experience through sending his demons to you: fear sufferring doubt Tic disorders worries about future bad or useless thoughts related to self any kind of ego’s thoughts and desires swearing anxiety engage in pleasure-seeking activities engage in useless addictions Emotional criticism Clinging to materialist paradigm and blind atheism Thoughts like: ‘nah, such things do not exist’ also come from him, yes such thoughts are good for him not for you, because it will leave you asleep without being aware that your life is not under your control and prevent you from growth Being afraid of him is also not good. It’s better to be aware but without paying emotional attention. There are also big things: depression, suicide, self-destruction, anger, violence, power-seeking. All These things are his food just like banana is yours. he will do everything to prevent your soul from growth. I guess it’s better to use word prevent him instead of fight him because we can’t really fight or resist him if we have ego, fights or resistance are only beneficial for him in this way, we can only try to prevent him. Heres things that I do to prevent his little victories: Rubber band on a wrist to hit yourself whenever you-know-who is around forcing you to eat that junk food or indulge in pleasures or think about your self’s future and past Heart prayer against him, or listening to prayers (Islamic prayers against Jinns, Shaitans are very powerful, also Chrstian ones) Observing yourself without reacting negatively or positively to his commands what do you do to prevent him? Any techniques? Besides obvious ones like meditation and being aware. I’m asking only coz it’s getting diff, spiritual growth correlates with increase in his attacks, hope you already noticed that.

I've written about this before in some other post, but it's obviously, as you can imagine, not physical death that is required - don't commit suicide!What is meant is the death of the particular you that you think you currently are, it's the you that thinks he's the active observer of reality or the doer of anything specific. There is no separate you that exists along many other "you-s" and "I-s", that's a complete fiction and a story we like to tell ourselves. The real you that you will come to discover is pure consciousness. As consciousness you cannot die as you've never been born in the first place. There is no defined beginning or end to consciousness as it is infinite and boundless. The way in which you experience the sensation of "I am" is the same that I experience - it's the same consciousness. Therefore, there are no real boundaries and that's what gets us non-duality. "You" and "I" is the same in terms of our existential foundation - but of course in regards to grammar and as pronouns, they're different distinctions again, as they have to be.

Physical suicide likely gets you to unconsciously incarnate again because you couldn't surrender everything prior to death, and so the mental tendencies you can't let go off will cause you to want to play out a new persona again.

Suicide is a very egoistic action!!!It's the opposite of enlightenment.

Careful how you phrase things, because some noobs may misunderstand you and harm themselves. You don't want that blood on your hands. Best not to joke around about suicide.

From 'Zarathustra: A God That Can Dance' by Osho: Zarathustra is unique. He is the only one who is not against life, who is for life; whose god is not somewhere else; whose god is nothing but another name for life itself. And to live totally, to live joyously and to live intensely, is all that religion is based on. I feel a deep empathy, affinity, with Zarathustra. But perhaps because he was life-affirmative and not life-negative, he could not gather many followers. It is one of the strange things about human beings: anything that is easy, they cannot accept as worthy of being the goal – the goal has to be very difficult and arduous. Behind it is the psychology of the ego. The ego always wants something impossible, because only with the impossible can it exist. You will never be able to fulfill desire, and the ego will go on pushing you towards more and more – more greed, more power, more money, more austerities, more spirituality, more discipline. Wherever you find ”more”, remember, that is the language of the ego. And there is no way to satisfy the ego; it is always asking for more. Zarathustra’s whole approach is exactly the same as Chuang Tzu: ”Easy is right. Right is easy.” And when you are utterly relaxed, at ease, at home, so relaxed that you have even forgotten that you are at ease; that you have forgotten that you are right – you have become so utterly innocent like a child, you have arrived. But ego has no interest in this. This whole process is something like the suicide of the ego; hence, religions which have been giving the ego difficult tasks, arduous paths, unnatural ideals, impossible goals – they have attracted millions of people.

Basically a huge amount of childhood trauma, painful emotions during everyday life, more or less painful emotional reactions i haven't been aware of during everyday life and some stupid beliefs about me and reality. - These purging trips can feel like what I would imagine hell to feel like and they are very exhausting for the body(panic attacks, shivering, sweating), yet they are so much worth it - THOUSANDFOLD My suffering is reduced IMMENSELY, by time I can surrender to physical pain that it almost seems unreal to me. I've been quite sociophob, constant anxiety around people in public, most of it is gone -that's fucking freedom, Other neurosis and depression have been reduced by 80%, also 80 % of my addictions completely fell away. More and more I can just be and feel an intense peace. If you seem to have control, I would suggest to always try to meditate or be mindful. Most of the times I just had to surrender and let the psychedelics aka Gaia lead the show. The majority of my trips, I tripped alone. My most hellish trips I had to face completely alone and I might even have committed suicide, that's very serious, so I don't know, could have been wiser for me, but differs from person to person of course, I don't feel like I need one in the future. Always start with little dosages and don't overdo your purgings and don't be to brave if you have a lot to purge for this very reason. All these trips have been supported by the practices, healthy diet and research/learning, understanding about this. Take psychedelics with an attitude of gratitude and respect.

That clarified a lot actually. Based on what I have read about Mahasamadhi it just appeared to me as a version of suicide when someone just does not care about his human experience anymore. However, based on your definition it appears to be something else. So you are telling me that this decision is made in the very old age when body is suffering. Then it could be right decision for some enlightened people indeed. The definitions also made confusion because based on what I've read I thought Mahasamadhi was the main goal of enlightenment path. Sort of final boss... But as you explained it. this is just practical decision in the end. So after your Enlightenment you don't have any desires to leave your body right? I thought Enlightenment could awaken in you the desire to leave the body mind. I hope it does not and you simply enjoy the rest of your being in this human experience.... P.S. I will read that book after I am finished with the exams.

The spiritual practice is about not taking the inner voice too seriously. If you commit suicide, you are practicing something other than that. But yes! I agree with you. People go from identifying with a self to identifying with a no self. The problem is not a self or a no self, the problem is the identification.

You should at least know your destination. Otherwise it is stupidity and ignorance. You can't jump off the cliff just because. Why nobody does that without the reasons? Because it's stupid. There is nothing courageous about suicide with no reasons... You should know the landing conditions...

OK thanks.I was alone in both trips I am just scared of insanity because that was the way my face looked.I was able to handle two blotters and I had some new questions and insights.You need strong trips to understand, you have to loose the touch with your body.I ate one and a half and no visuals with closed eyes or serious insights.I was taking antipsychotics until 3 months ago and they made me wanting to suicide during the use and when I stopped them for a month, it wasn't without reason I have serious health issues.I was taking them because I was smoking to much cannabis and almost had a psychotic episode so the doctor gave them to me to stop using cannabis easier and organize my thought again.I had never felt the same urge to kill myself before the medication so I am giving the responsibility to the antipsychotic(zyprexa,the higher suicide rate for antipsychotic).Now I am off 3 months and I don't have these feelings.The only time I had schizophrenic behaviour was with cannabis but it was not real schizophrenia just some mutual symptoms during the use.I have these scary expressions because of the scary and unpleasant feeling that last about 10 sec.I was controlling the trip(i believe) and I have the same feeling with smaller doses but with the higher dose I had the insights and more intense the unpleasant feeling.I will stick with 2 blotters no higher.Does anybody also have strange feelings, coming in waves every 5-10 minutes?After the use my mind is all right no problems with memory paranoia or organization , the problems coming from cannabis use.

Depression is still fucks me up, been thinking about suicide all day until recently, it passed while I was distracting myself with reading articles on Wikipedia. Meditation, nofap, diet, self-love - all good.

My best guess, vanish is trolling, he designed the avatar to make vanishing relevant and appropriate and will simply "vanish". Leo doesn't give two ducks because he knows if someone committed suicide on his forum, just think of the publicity! Second really nasty option Leo = Vanish. This would create maximum effect with zero risk.