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I'm having a huge surgery in the future. Double jaw surgery. I'm gonna be under general anesthesia, and I'm interested if some of you have been through this as awakened beings. First of all I would like to know if it went smoothly, without problems. I interested this because I've been worried about anesthesia awareness, and if there is a higher risk if you are on a higher consciousness than most people? Also I'm interested in knowing what effect the anesthesia has had on your consciousness. It's a little unsettling that anesthesiologists doesn't really know how it works. This is because it works on the level of the understanding of consciousness. But doesn't this imply that your level of consciousness has a say in how much and how well it will work? And how is it that a drug is able to send you into total nothingness for hours and then turn you back after? I actually think this is a very interesting topic.

Interestingly not necessarily. There are a few stories out there of people who have spontaneous awakenings but on some level are left without a vocabulary or context. Not until they reach a awakened master who basically recognizes there realization in that person and helps them understand whats taken place. I'll have to ask my dad since he knows a lot of these teachers stories of india, but it does happen. Also there are people in India called musks who have had profound awakenings but it psychologically split something that leaves them in a state of inability to function in the world, as a result they are institutionalized or left for dead and one Saint/Enlightened Master named Maher Baba tasked his followers to go out and find these guys so that he could work with the energetically to help realign what broke and get them back to a functionable state.

Liberation is to cease self suffering, that's what liberation is, everything else is blah blah to preoccupy the egomind. If cessation can be accomplished simply why get complicated? Depth doesn't equate to complicated, that's ego distracting from the simple and tricking someone into believing they need complicated. Liberation is a deep peace, If it is the notion that emptiness and nothingness are attributes and characteristics of the awakened and 'enlightened' life then why fill the mind with all these spiritual systems of labeling and identity? That's like becoming a hoarder to be a minimalist. How much self suffering is created by people trying to understand and meet the demands of these complicated systems? There's plenty of people offering the complicated on this forum, elsewhere online and in spiritual communities everywhere. I offer a simple path because that is what liberates my experience of self suffering but I see so many still suffering and struggling with the complicated. Wisdom is often knowing what is useless more than it is just what's useful.

Emotions are a primitive way the self survival instinct motivates behavior, chemical reactions are the primordial way, and thoughts are the most recent evolutionary step in motivating behavior for self survival. Emotions aren't wrong or right, they just are, but as a self aware being we don't have to unconsciously be influenced by them, we are aware of them and have the ability to transcend them. So when the thread starter says they didn't follow the emotional impetus to behave in a way that reflected the 'bad' feeling and instead use their thoughts to transcend that feeling and transform it to a positive one they are simply using the thought-mind to alter their emotional state and thus their behavior. Emotions can influence thoughts and thoughts can influence emotions and both can influence behavior. Although behavior can influence both thoughts and emotions as well such as meditating or exercising can alter our thoughts and emotions. These are all connected within our experience of self conscious and we additionally have the awareness of self conscious that allows us to 'freely' intend an experience of this self conscious that isn't influenced by the impulses, urges and thoughts that conditionally arise. Awakening to the agency of this 'free will' of attention and intention of our self conscious is the opening up to what is commonly called 'enlightenment'. Staying present in that awakened agency so that it transcends the self conscious impulses, urges and thoughts is the source of liberation from suffering. It doesn't necessarily end all of the self conscious activity, it just ceases the influence of it to cause self suffering. When staying present in this awakened agency it allows us to orient our thoughts, emotions and behavior in a way that serves self survival from peace and fulfillment instead of suffering and yearning. Some may experience an immediate cessation of much of their self conscious conditioning but most will see it slowly be transformed as they 'be present' more consistently so alter the conditioning to reflect this liberation.

If your sole purpose is to get awakened, one way to go about it is to build up total fucking faith and dedication to something. Being too skeptical and jumping from one flower to the next does not help in this method.

Enlightenment. Spirituality. Both are misunderstood things. Being in a constant mystical state. Becoming aware of a dimension of life beyond the sense. Both are nowadays synonymous with enlightenment. I myself awakened more than a few years ago, and when I was stable in that new state that then was beyond my reference point and understanding. When my insights and teachings of teachers matched up I thought. Yes. I’m there. Then like most other teachers and people who awakened. I played a multitude of mind games, and escapist tactics to pretend like I’m a Buddha. After a multitude of extreme shifts afterwards. I became aware that life, reality and dharma had much more to teach than a simple “recognition”. & even that recognition varies. Ramana Maharshi, and a random guy who awakens on here might both become aware of an aspect of life, but their degree of “understanding” is extremely different. I’ll use an example. Let’s take a concept like love. A child that loves his mom, and a 50 year old with grown child have different understandings of love. Nuanced, more subtle yet much deeper perspective exists in ramana. In fact Ramana himself isn’t fully enlightened, but my reasoning for that, and the fact itself are irrelevant and will cause nothing but a series of pointless arguments. I said it just to catch your attention a bit lol. I know more than you. Make use of me. I’m here to help. Ask me anything

From that point of view, there is no issue. Reality is 100% perfect no matter if human beings continue to exist or cease to exist. I have had a couple of awakenings in the past. So, beyond ego, it is a literal heaven even if the apocalypse is upon us. And death is not a problem. And everyone only dies once. So, in the grand scheme of things, there is no issue with planetary destruction. But while I had my awakenings and the detachment inherent to them, it paradoxically awakened intensely humane and empathetic responses in me and I had the capacity for unconditional love. So, I felt sorrow for individual struggles and collective struggles. My emotions were fully intact, and could play out at full stretch. And I still had preferences for things on the relative level. And it felt right to honor them, if they didn't cause any issues. So, I genuinely loved and wanted sentient beings to suffer as little as possible, even in my realization that everything is already perfect. So, I think it is a matter of being able to recognize the illusion of duality as an extension of non-duality, and to be able to validate our relative imperfect human experience within the context of the perfect non-dual beingness. So, I recognize that planetary destruction would cause a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering. So, it makes sense to me to put effort toward raising awareness and helping toward that cause in whichever ways that I can. Now, I have only had two experiences of ego transcendence that lasted only a few hours each. So, take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I am not awake now. But I clearly recall both paradoxical awareness of the relative imperfection and absolute perfection inherent in existence. So, it only makes sense to me now to honor both of those truths.

Yeah I think he was personally taught by some masters https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tummo dont think hes awakened though

Unfortunately, the "Just arrive without a path" strategy is not very effective for newcomers. I've never met anyone that "just arrived" without some form of a path. Generally, a self needs to search, learn, discover, integrate, let go, surrender and practice toward abiding One Consciousness. Newcomers can be told over and over again that they have already arrived, that there is nothing to seek and they are already whole and that they are the entire Universe. It just doesn't work. IMO, suggesting to a newcomer that spiritual practices / work along a path is unnecessary and leads to dead things is unhelpful and inaccurate. Every awakened being I've ever met or heard of had a spiritual path. They had to deconstruct and unlearn social conditioning of a self to realize and transcend the self. Even Buddha had a spiritual path. . . As well, one of the biggest traps at intermediate and advanced stages is the belief that "I have arrived and don't need a path of practice and work".

@Nahm i mediate / self inquiry/ sds sit from/re search 1-3 hours a day. My kundalini is awakened, I've only been in this path a year & a 1/2. But I've put in probably 6 years worth of mediation in lol in that year & a 1/2, trying to get liberated over here!

Or is it a case by case thing? Like I heard shinzen young after enlightenment still had procrastination issues. In my case I deal with a crazy case of OCD or pure O where I have crazy thoughts that freak me out, since my kundalini has awakened they don't freak me out as bad, after all who's the "I" thats having the thoughts, I'm the observer of them (thanks Leo) but it's taken a year & 1/2 to get to this point, I'm hoping Enlightenment one day will eliminate this issue for me...I guess I'll find out one day..

I definitely don't want to come out and attack you, but if you could help me with any of my delusions I post, or anyone can, I will love you forever. So my first thing if you could address is that in Leo's most recent videos he talks a lot about true masters being humble. Out of anyone I've seen on these forums, you certainly come off as believing yourself to be enlightened or masterful, animals bow before you etc. I guess what I'm trying to say is that brining up the fact that "An awakened human being is many many many magnitudes superior in any area of life. Even in physical strength. " on a thread that isn't even discussing that comes off as quite the opposite of humble. I mean the one area you specifically mention is physical strength. Why not mention how much easier it is to help and love people? Instead you chose to say that awakened people are physically stronger? What's the intention with that statement. Earlier in this post, you said it seemed like a blue elaboration. I was confused by this because even though it didn't seem like an accurate description of what happened, it didn't specifically convey to me and specific blue traits of absolute right and wrong etc. So if you could be very specific in why you diagnosed him as blue, or this description as blue, and not say red or orange. I know you were asked already and kind of skirted the question jokingly, but I would really really appreciate clearing up my delusion. What I interpret as a lack of humbleness follows many of your posts, for example. This is just a comment "Leo is on his own path, he will get there sooner or later" I guess this is kind of the attitude I interpret often, like you reached the finish line and came here to be a hot shot while you watch other people try and grow. But that can totally be a projection of what I do when I finish a project early. Finally, you accused the dude with a featured 77 pages of comments as a potential fraud. Do you think Leo would keep that thread open if he was fucking with people, and not an enlightened mastered trying to "Help Sincere Seekers"? "@winterknight Put a photo of yours, or you are just a copy from a copy regurgitating copies. I don't see uniqueness and originality." It also comes off like you already made the judgement " I don't see uniqueness and originality" Again, I'm really not here to fight anyone, I just wanted to address how you come off to me, and why I might be super super deluded

@Leo Gura Many of us we are bound to language, you know that when you drop the language things go infinite. No AI can do that. The AI is bound to logical patterns. If you talking about Magnus Carlsen , he is a spineless machine. And the circle goes round and round until an awakened human being will just shit on any AI

An awakened human being is many many many magnitudes superior in any area of life. Even in physical strength.

This is one of the greatest truths, even the awakened ones will get bored if they knew everything. By letting go, everything comes back. ?

Humans don't know 1% even of the complexity of the body/mind. How would you think AI will surpass humans? I'll tell you, the biological is far superior, infinite times superior, AI will never reach even Egoic Enlightened humans. Why? Because the biological minds put together in a mathematical formula the AI. Consciousness and the Awakened are beyond mathematics.

I wouldnt underestimate a spiritual significance of environment, such as a shrine. Think of it this way: what’s more conducive for meditation/contemplation, a warzone or a garden? My point with that example showing that while in the absolute sense no location, or shrine, would be necessary, environment most certainly can play a role if we are not yet awakened. On the otherhand, you dont want to form a subconscious attachment to anyone location or routine, which consistently meditating at 1 location such as a shrine may lead to.

@Hellspeed can you breakdown you're past for us all & how you awakened ?

I did not seek for this. I did not know what breath was and meditation when I first awakened, from then I had thousands more. Only after, I read about what other spiritual teachers have to say about it. I come from a background of a theology degree and small window time of being atheist, then it hit me when I dropped the belief in the supernatural.

A true awakened master is beyond turquoise and gold. Has the ability to heal him/herself and others with energy. Otherwise is just a belief. The Egoic have contributed tremendously on the concept side of the matter, I'll give you that. But in a true awakening state one has no need to read anymore per example, all come to him/her with intention, knows how Akasha works and everything. Let's go into the unknown, he/she does not know!, and then all comes back.

Stop listening to east gurus and preachers, there are only a few awakened, and the business of non-duality is huge, as in Christianity the dogma. Stop taking YouTube seriously, is a mindfuck mill.

An awakened human being is just superior, mentally, memory, well-being, everything, etc.

@Pharion I already have. I have introspected with the questions @Emerald gave me. What am I hoping to accomplish being a soldier? A sense of valor? Defending my country? Why are America's enemies their enemies? What are we fighting for? It all leads back to the sense of self/ego. Like Leo said in his Mechanics of Evil video, minuscule amount of people think about the suffering of Iraqis. I'm not even Iraqi, I'm Pakistani. But their suffering hits close to home for me since I was a kid. After being enlightened about how evil is created, I can't in good conscious join the military and I am awakened to how deeply unconscious the military is and those who glorify them.

There are people that are suffering within their relative reality. People that hold racist views and people perceiving racism. From my experience, these relative realities exist. Views like “we create our own reality” or “thoughts are delusion” may provide liberation and comfort to the one who has awakened to it. Yet what does it do for the person that has been conditioned with racist views that are now repressed? The person who now experiences a sense of separation, fear and hatred? Does saying “Well, that person is just experiencing the delusion of conditioned thought” help them in any way to realize that? And the person who perceives a racist attack against them. Does your personal revelation help them in their relative world of suffering? I’ved lived in communities with intense racism and poverty. With people that are oppressed. Starving. Direct experience. Go get some experience with the wrath of racism and oppression. I have in 3rd world countries. It will blow away your concepts and expand your sense of being. Or at least acknowledge that other people’s relative perspectives are based on extensive direct experience combined with conceptual knowledge. That their relative perspective may be broader and deeper than your own. It seems like you are in a bubble, yet under the assumption that you’ve got some type of broad understanding.

I think that is great. How can we disseminate that awareness at a societal level? As we sit here pontificating about consciousness, people that have not awakened to what you wrote are suffering and harming others due to that conditioning. Let’s say I’ve stepped out of that conditioned delusion. Great for me!!! How does that help other people still suffering from that conditioned delusion?