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An Empty Answer You want me to “say more” about nothingness. Could anything be more paradoxical for the reader than to try to understand “nothing”? Why? Because most people start from the conviction that there is something which does exist; if nothing more, at least “me”. So, you will not likely appreciate nothingness unless you have come to realization through advaita. At least we will, then, begin without the assumption that a “me” really exists. But even for the realized advatin, there will almost certainly be a presumption that “something” exists in the realm of reality. Even “reality”. Advaita points to ajata, and ajata is about nothingness, or emptiness. The Diamond Sutra of Buddhism, points exclusively to it. Hui Neng, the Sixth Chinese Patriarch, declares flatly: ‘There is nothing from the start.” These sources, among others, set your foot on the path, but recognize that most people are then going to immediately be lost. I have written clearly about advaita, and several have understood what I’ve said. I have spoken, to some of these, about what lies beyond the “Absolute,” and a couple have understood. So I will try to explain it, as best I can. The “ultimate condition” (if any) is nothingness, the complete “absence” of anything—no thing, of any possible description. The (approximate) comprehension of this would be to conceive of “emptiness”, as the emptiness of which not anything could be emptied; pure unassociated emptiness, and not even an emptiness which is within some imagined boundaries. The word “void” could be applied; but this “actuality” is not void of something—in any positive sense. So the nothingness of which we speak is totally empty, free of any subtlety which could even be envisioned. Hence there is not anything “within” it that can be subject to any kind of movement, or even change. Not anything can “come from” nothingness, nor “return” to it. It is not the “origin” of anything. In fact, it could not be applicable to say that it exists, or does not exist. Thus we can’t say that this is the “beginning” condition or the “ending” condition. At best, we could say that (if it were “existent”) it would be the ever-present condition. Yet, it is not an abstraction: its presence is “eternal”. “In” its presence are supposed creatures, and the world and universe they seem to inhabit. But all of these supposed things are “in” nothingness. They have not appeared from nothingness, or out of nothingness, or because of nothingness. In fact, they have not actually “appeared”, except as nothingness. The creatures take their reality, their “existence”, for granted; and thus also the reality or existence of the world and its universe—not knowing that they are nothing. The assumption is: ‘There was a time when I didn’t exist, a time when I existed, and a time when I will no longer exist”. But there are no such times. Not anything has ever “existed”, from the standpoint of nothingness. In nothingness, there is no “time”. What makes this so difficult to understand, is that because we say that “I have existed”, we conclude that there is some thing. And indeed we look around and say there are other things, such as a world or a universe. But the presumption that there was a time when I did not exist (or do; or will not exist) is false: no arising, abiding or decaying exists in nothingness. In other words, not anything “happens” in nothingness. “We” are nothing, the “world” is nothing, the “universe” is nothing. In nothingness, there is neither existence nor nonexistence. There is only nothing. From the standpoint of nothingness, no questions can arise. We can not ask for, nor expect, an explanation: not anything ever happens, in nothingness. The value of this understanding is that not anything really matters. Even understanding this does not matter. All is emptiness. That is the “empty” answer. The scriptures speak of one who is in sahaja samadhi as having “no mind” or an “empty mind”. It is this appreciation of nothingness that is referred to.

Journal, mood: at peace meditation: none thoughts and feelings: 1) I awoke from my nap with my brain vibrating. I felt so holy. I then did a practice of appreciation and people started coming into my room. I focused on this and literal reality started to morph. It chapped before my eyes. I have never seen reality so perfect and still, yet not still. I knew at that moment this was what I was seeking my whole life. Don't get me wrong, I've been so at peace my mind stops and "this" is so so... so unexplainable. However, this was just on a whole new level. I've gone deeper down the rabbit hole. Edit: I remember watching everything perfectly fall into place. Anything someone said was so alive. A song came on "The house of the rising sun" from my moms phone and I just saw absolute perfection and alinement. This is what the seekers seek in their journey to nothingness. (I just felt like writing these words. I have no belief or attatment however the word just flowed out of me. It felt so "right" to type them. So perfect. So wonderful.) second edit: I realized why I had this knee jerk negative reaction to "this is what the seekers seek in their journey to nothingness" it felt like a pure arrogant statement even though I didn't have that intention. Dillusion, etc. I know nothing. I keep realizing that it goes deeeper and deeper.

This is right on. 100% agree/resonate with this. The thing you said with dimensions upon dimension and stuff in your post seems more to be possibilities inside of this, experiences one can have, or the natural progression of light. (I might have to read it over again). Awakening as I understand it doesn't have anything to do with the contents, it is waking up to the untouched nothingness in which the "contents" arises. Thoughts on this? There is a freshness to your insights that I really resonate with, keep them coming.

Without thoughts, ideas, imagination and beliefs there is no Universe and there is No God Consciousness. The Void means absolute Nothingness, that includes No God Consciousness as a creator creating the Everything, the All-That-Is. Is that what your really want? Is that what you really want to strive for? Is that what you want to focus your attention on for the rest of eternity? I have been given the Gift of thoughts, ideas, imaginations, beliefs, feelings and emotions, and I would rather focus my consciousness on Beingness, and Being in the moment on this wonderful creation called "life". There is no "Life" in the Void of Nothingness, just potentials, which requires, thoughts, ideas, imaginations etc., to give birth to those potentials. That is what consciouness becomes and is. Like my Father-In-Law always says… Do as you like, and live a day longer! A student sharing thoughts, ideas and beliefs!

This is a simple meditation technique that helps me to break away from sensation and thought. Set yourself up to meditate however you feel comfortable, this is not an active meditation so it is not recommended for when attention on other activities is required. Open with love and gratitude for all that is, when your mind has begun to settle start noticing all thoughts and sensations, do not go into each, just mentally accept and say "thank you" and move onto the next until you find very few objects in your mind. Eventually you will be able to say thank you to a thank you and it will propell you into deeper and deeper states until consciousness is very subtle. Stay in nothingness and rest there, if you find new mind objects arising return to thanking. Expect nothing, resist nothing. Just be. Insights can arise at this point which can be accepted gently in this delicate space. Love.

@Insightful27 Have you purchased Leo’s booklist? Read God is Nothingness and SantataGamana’s books for learning real yoga. Maybe start a blog, post whatever you’re interested in. Hope that’s useful.

No more dreaming here only Awakeness. The everything that is sought for is recognized within the nothingness that it is. Yes. Unconditional love for no one.

@Leo Gura See that there is no way of conciousness being more or less conscious of itself, when all there is is conciousness. It always knows only itself, either as a finite form or as its pure being of nothingness. God is always fully awake. It doesn't get created. If it would, there would have to be a thing like unconciousness. Unconciousness could by definition never become conscious. Conciousness is the absolut, non-dual There is no such thing like "more total levels". It's TOTAL! Yes! You cannot go deeper than the understanding that conciousness creates everything. There is nothing beyond the creation of everything, is there?

Unknowing is what was surrendered to here... There is no direction to go or not go... There is no path... you can't move towards or away from everything... There are no right or wrong's, should or should not, this over that... You can't go wrong when every option is everything... Staying put is the same as doing something... There isn't a higher power judging anything... There appears to be some kind of boundless pure potential energy but it's empty and void of any meaning or purpose... You could say this energy transcends meaning purpose value truth, but that would just be a projection of the Mind... Its THIS... and it can't be grasped by the human mind it can't be put in a box labeled and given a direction because it's everything and simultaneously an empty nothingness.. You simply can't go wrong because everything is IT!!!

@Leo Gura I acheived this enlightenment and greater from cannabis and tobbaco combined. The combination is perfect. Jump up and down notice form going up as you go down and as you go down form goes up. We are not bodies we are invisibility and nothingness pretending to be a me and a you. There is no man and no woman. Remember NONDUALITY.

When it's recognized that even the apparent mind that creates illusion is also illusion.... emptiness no thing pregnant nothingness... Boundlessness... holyshitness When Even Silence is not it.... Its......................

INSIGHT #3 (today) 40 minutes session - half of it in a meditative pose, closed eyes - half of it laying on the bed, OPEN eyes, staring at the room It seems like SIGHT and INTERNAL TOUCH (bodily sensation) are completely disconnected. We actually THINK about their connection, thus creating a false sense of connection between "image of a leg" and "sensation of a leg". Also.... what is a leg? Is it the image? is it the touch sense? It cannot be both, because those senses seem to be disconnected. One is a cinema screen (sight) , the other seems to be.... very muddy, very MYSTERIOUS. What is touch? Oh my god... after my 40 mins session I've come to a partial conclusion that touch is actually a VERY MYSTERIOUS perception, which creates some kind of energy fluctuating IN THE VOID!!!! So.... to make it more dramatic and more shocking: You see your leg, but that's just a picture, a painting of a leg, and it has NO sensations, apart from the seeing sensation. But when you think that you "feel" the internal/external touch of your leg.... that seems to be a HUGELY MYSTERIOUS UNKNOWN SENSATION. It has no correlation with the actual depiction of the leg! So.... what happens is that you USE THOUGHT to create this picture-touch complex, which doesn't exist in experience. But thought creates this kind of ghost connection between "eyesight" and "skin-feeling/internal feeling". Still I can't grasp the nature of touch... it really seems to be a random energy fluctuating in the void of nothingness ---------------------------------------------- I'll keep you updated.

@fridjonk I want to separate his teachings from him because i dont know anything about him. His teaching's orientation is what makes it less integrative than Rupert's. His drive is to 'figure out' or contemplate deeply reality. Thats literally his teaching's focus(his teachings before i made this post because after making that post i stopped watching him). He has a very sharp, pointed focus on unravelling the 'how' consciousness works. And he unravels many fragmented aspects, from love, intelligence, bliss, Moo(nothingness), and there's a drive to figure it out. Its like this huge curiosity, single focus on 'figuring it out'. If you check out other teacher's teachings, they arent so limited, and subject themselves to just this single pointed focus of deep contemplation and 'figuring things out'. There's emphasis on how to live with what you've figured out in your day to day life: work, relationships, family problems. How to practice spirituality while living life. How to embody bliss, how to constantly Be peace(in contrast to what Leo does which is, fuck embodying peace, lets go figure out what the fuck Love is, quench ya curiosity). How to constantly be compassionate in times of covid. See the focus is much more on living with mystical insight in day to day life. And generally these sort of rupert spira teachings goes beyond Leo's drive to know more and more about consciousness, its either beyond it, or its just a different orientation. Just a different focus. Leo focuses on knowing more and more, others focus on living through all aspects of life: work, relationships, blissfully, from a different perspective. Could be wrong, but people like Charlie are conflating the 2. Leo has said in a blog post that he's not a zen master but an explorer, and he said on the forum he's passion is studying God, and he wants to do that for another million years. Its clearly a different focus. A lot of sadhguru's advice actually contradicts Leo's. Sadhguru constantly emphasises not taking the path too seriously, being to enthusiastic, and single pointed focus on the path, and taking the ideas of the path too seriously, and he always reminds his audience to treat both spirituality and mundane life equally. To live mundane life to the fullest. And forget spirituality for a while here and there. Leo's the exact opposite, constantly thrusting his audience into more and more hardcore spiritual practices. And he's getting more serious. This comes at a cost: a cost of forgetting to embody, forgetting spirituality is not special, and there's a beautiful life beyond psychedelics, contemplation and non dual ideas. To live a happy life, there needs to be at least some sort of satisfaction. You can't enjoy your life having a need to search deeper and deeper into the godhead. Thats why a balance between hard core Leo/Ralstone and softcore sadhguru is good. Like you've gotta ask why does Leo just want to know more and more and more? And aint ever satisfied? Because I've certainly been in states where i was completely satisfied and felt like just basking in it and living from that place. Because Leo's drive for more is in itself a particular state, not an absolute state.

Yes absolutely there's apparently Something Happening Here and it's completely empty... a pregnant nothingness happening for No One.. Nothing will die because nothing was born. Ultimate phenomenon.... best in town ?

Thanks for sharing. I like that analogy. I had an insight while reading it. Identifying as the blank awareness as viewing everything as external, if done completely, in theory, would be identical to identifying as everything or God. Also, identifying as consciousness is identical to identical to identifying as nothingness which is identical to Everything. It always comes full circle.

It's a waste of effort trying to self actualize. If a body wishes to be in actualization simply, be silent and aware feeling peaceful. Place awareness on instances where all thought disappears and reappears. Self-actualization is ideological based. It's conceptual. As well as self actualization will mean something different for each body. Thaughts simply appear and fade. Thaughts and mental images are simply sights and sounds. The awareness of what is referenced is experienced the word sight and sound simply are labels. Thoughts and mental activity is simply form experienced in nothing. Nothing as a non-local local. Local as where experience is attainable. Where awareness reaches. That is not experienced in the physical sense. Physical only exists in the body. No-self means no-body. It is ironic how a "nobody" is a slur against those without wealth status or do not meet petty and foolish expectations. To place expectations on anothers to meet for the ego's standards for love is what the ego does against other egos and against the own ego. So an ego at war with itself creating subdivisions all in conflict. Suffering is caused by the alienation of the body from full awareness of the compulsive need for identification disappear by identifying as no-body. The persona is a mask. And realizing that the self is nothingness. Incorperealness is the self. Consciousness is the self. Freedom is independence from identification with Maya or a partition of form. All form including the body. It's like trying to force a square in a circle whole. This realization and the mystical wonderment of stepping into Nirvana even for a few seconds and a realization this intense feels new compared to past experiences of realization. Or Revelations.

@universe Type of thinking= Just a different stage of thinking. Also, I would introduce him to oneness and nothingness, etc. In my experience, that can be a lot for people to handle sometimes. I didn't mean he would get mean, just perhaps think I'm "crazy", or perhaps go a little "crazy" himself. I'm all about limiting suffering (even if it is made up, we still feel it) and I don't want anyone to suffer from something I said or did, if I can prevent it. And even if I can't prevent it, it was will be what is supposed to be. Universe magic. Also, technically it is both his and my problem. We are one in the same. Everything is connected. Everything is one. And 100 percent, framing it as "non-woke" was just a funny way to phrase someone at a different level of consciousness and awareness. But ya'll didn't get my hip, catchy phrasing. Also, I don't see any problems. I was mainly looking for caring and gentle ways to introduce oneness to someone. In no way was I attacking or finding problems with him or anyone. People are where they are on their journey, and that is beautiful. The potential for discovery is exponential. That is love.

Been there and bought the tee-shirt. I went through that dark night as well, are you kidding me, I am still going through that dark night, but less intense. (“Dark night”, is just a label I use to mean “an intense change of old habits, patterns and beliefs). Here is my take on “All That Is”, (I’m trying to get away from the label of “God Consciousness” because no matter how conscious you think you have become it still has some lingering juice and affiliation with Religion hidden in the unconscious human mind), is a vast dream state of Consciousness and Energy that dreams up all physical realties, all thoughts, ideas, feelings, and probable existences. So here is the conflict that I face when breaking through layers of consciousness and awareness; we are all in a physical “Earth Dream” that has accepted the predominant thoughts and ideas from either the evolutionist and creationist belief systems, Religious or Scientific paradigms, either consciously or unconsciously. It’s embedded within the Human Collective Mind Belief System and individual Ego Mind Consciousness. The emotions and turmoil I feel, as I break through each layer of consciousness, are the result of breaking through the Human Collective thought patterns, ideas, beliefs, and feelings that I have accepted and have embedded into my physical and mental “self” over the last 60 years as a participant of the Collective human conditioning and societal experience. The awkward feelings, emotions and energy I experience, are the result of my “NEW” thoughts, ideas, beliefs, imaginations, feelings, emotions struggling to change, release and denounce the “OLD” Human Collective thought patterns, ideas and beliefs etc., that I have carried within the physical, mental “self” all these years. The “Alone” feeling is normal and is part-and-parcel of becoming conscious and awake. We are leaving our “Family” of “old” familiar thoughts, ideas, beliefs, feelings, emotions, and even some relationships behind, to explore higher levels of conscious thoughts, ideas, beliefs, etc., that no-longer resonate with the “OLD”. I have found that it is almost impossible to eliminate all of my thoughts, ideas, beliefs, feelings and emotions from the “Self’. It is my belief that if one were to eliminate them entirely, one would no longer exist in this physical reality, or even in the “All That Is” because Consciousness needs all of them to be Creator and Creation. What I have found to be helpful is to “Create” new thoughts, ideas, beliefs etc., that resonate with the changes you are going through. Don’t get caught-up in the “Void of Nothingness” that many people in these forums worship or strive. The “All That Is”, is much more diverse, exciting and fun to explore than trying to obtain or become Nothing! If any of the ideas that I used in this Post resonate with you, I highly recommend reading some of the books from Seth (Start with “Seth Speaks”). Seth will go much more into detail than what I have shared here with you, with more advance material than any other books I have read over the years. The Seth material will help you integrate the changes you are experiencing with your thoughts, ideas and belief, and will help you experience and understand higher levels of consciousness. Just remember, "you are not alone"! Just sharing some thoughts, ideas, beliefs!

@Javfly33 the nothingness remains eternally nothingness & the evolution is infinite in infinite dimensions... and when dealing with anything infinite... even "evolution" is really just apparent evolution ... no start, no end... like the tv screen unchanged but it can play an infinite number of movies

@Inliytened1 This it is nothing, yeah. But my question would be "where this nothingness is evolving"? Or "to what new realms of apparent forms will be this nothingness convert itself to"?

I know that I know that I know it. Although I may pass for a poet, Or'f'ever I thought me be wise; 'Ts'all Nothingness, naught, O surprise! Say that name to me again, Dear family's known me since then, What was it they'd spoken thus far? But it's blank, bracketed, bar. You may fail in getting this sense, But you reading is not but pretense, 'Cause I am reading, it's you who'd wrote it, I am laughing now at this strange poet! I laugh also at poetry, And at the chance of you knowing me, Because I am nothing, that's all. Am nothing at all...

I just remembered some more details. Before I went lucid, I smoked some weed. Not sure If If actually felt high. While I was lucid, either right before or after I smoked the "DMT", I was running around all excited that I was in a dream. I had gum in my mouth and I took it out and chucked it behind me with no regard for anything. The gum smacked my dream friend in the face and he groaned. I apologized. I felt like a selfish prick. Then, I started thinking about if I should respect dream beings. If the substance of this dream is the same as the substance of waking reality, does that mean everyone in this dream is conscious, just like I assume they are in waking reality? My ego, even while I'm dreaming, is still an illusion. Are dreams an egoic hallucination where only I (as a human) am conscious of them? I'm so confused. Maybe a more accurate way of looking at it would be that dreams are consciousness grounded in nothingness and any 'I" in that dream is a delusion, same as waking reality. I think it's funny that during my last few awakenings, I discovered that reality was a dream, and in my dream, I discovered that dreams were reality lol. It's paradoxical but it makes sense. They're fundamentally the same thing.

March 15th Meditation and Spirituality Meditation: Strong Determination Sit (60 minutes)- I sat motionless for the whole hour. I like this type of meditation because it gives me more focus and it requires me to be very disciplined. For me, this is not combined with other meditation techniques. I used to do the "Do Nothing" paired with this, but I prefer to make sure I don't move at all. Spirituality: Self-Inquiry (30 minutes)- The 30 minute session makes it easier to focus for the whole length of time. I really concentrated on the "I am" sense, but couldn't pinpoint exactly what that was. Logically, I know that it is nothingness, but keeping my mind on it is not easy. Doing more concentration practice throughout the day can help keep my mind more focused. Health and Wellness Today I worked out my upper body. This made it a total of three days this week. I had the goal of working out four days. This was one more day than last week, so I will consider this an improvement. I plan to shoot for four days this coming week. Nutrition didn't go quite as planned this weekend, but it will go well during this week since I'm back at my apartment and in more control. Weekly Goal: Workout four days this week. Social Confidence I finished my book this morning. This will be the first week of taking bold action. I will start with the tasks that are ranked 3 this week. Tasks include going to a party or social gathering where I know most people, making eye contact with a stranger on a street, and speaking up in a group of people. On top of this, I will continue to do the techniques that help me resolve this issue mentally. Weekly Goal: Take bold action on the ranked three items of the fear hierarchy. Continue to work on learned techniques from the book.

@loub I couldn't agree more!! I too agree there is 'Human' and 'Shadow' work still to do post-awakening, which I am still doing. I LOVE there's someone on here who actually understands we are still fucking human post-awakening, and still experience emotions as you say! Sorry if my post came off as transcending or denying your humanity, I often try and say the complete opposite and am thankful to have such human teachers who have helped me understand this as well. As you say Self-Realization is the realization of the truth about our own being, we know we are The Self, we and everyone always Is, but we become conscious of this post-awakening. While there is no separate self as you say, there is still humanity, a unique expression, a personality and EMOTIONS/THOUGHTS, people for some reason don't like to admit that but there is. Shinzen Young was actually my teacher's partner Ramajis teacher, he is an incredible master and perfect for westerners coming from a more rationally minded background. I think I remember him saying about therapy in one of his videos I watched but this was years ago I watched it tbf so could be wrong. The post was more intended to say, meet people where they are at and be with them there. I'm a 20-year-old male from England so when I'm out with my friends what do we mostly talk about? Typical 20-year-old stuff like Football, certainly not Non-Duality And, I would say Awakening in my experience has made it a lot easier to do shadow work and does have certain 'changes' but more in terms of no resistance to the now, and the realization of there not being a 'Me' at the center of all this etc. However, if anything it has made me more human, more myself, and more emotional than before. If anything, true human life only begins post-awakening! It's almost like being reborn again. But, there's still a human experience, however, you want to phrase it, true awakening allows our humanity to flourish not wither away into a depression sense of nothingness. Here's some quotes from Ananda's book on the Paradox of being both The Self/Absolute, and a unique individual simultaneously: 'This clear seeing enables me to live both as that unlimited nothingness and as this playful personal I AM at the same time. This I AM is indivisibly ONE with infinity. Therefore, the ultimate truth is that I AM THAT.' 'This Divine fire then spits you out to be a unique dynamic version of itself. This wisdom of space dances carefree as this I AM.' 'This day and every day I bask in the non-dual knowing of nothingness which translates experientially into the profound pleasure of being an individual too. the clarity of being able to be both fully at once is the final peace and joy. The freedom is in the 'Duality' as well as the 'Non-Duality. It is not one or the other. IT is both yet it is neither' (I would add both Duality and Non-Duality are simply concepts, all that is, is THIS, and even that is saying too much!) The LAST thing I want to imply is that you will no longer be human, it's the complete opposite, embrace your humanity and be YOU, both YOU as The Self, and YOU as your unique expression! And, lastly in regards to seekers believing awakening makes them superhuman, I couldn't agree more, I see it often on here. In reality, Self-Realization is the most humbling thing of all, it is a realization YOU are literally as everyone and everything, how could you believe you are superior or inferior after that. I hope that makes it clear- EMBRACE YOUR HUMANITY!

A few days ago i wrote that i saw nothingness in everything and this changed my relationship with my career and relationships. This was because I saw all words, sentences, meaning, object recognition, as simply nothingness if you contemplated far enough. And what causes us to think that words and sentences have meaning is our ignorance, or unwillingness to contemplate far enough. If you contemplate far enough all meanings collapse into nothing. I now see this everywhere. Literally everything is nothingness, and the world is created through not focusing or meditating on the present moment enough. By not meditating on the present moment, you allow yourself to believe and mistake thought stories as reality. Meaning/creation is created by us pretending we cannot contemplate further, and our thoughts are the fundamental, most reduced element of this world. whats that? A tree? but whats a tree? its just a tree thats it! by refusing to contemplate further we create reality. As soon as we start contemplating what a tree is, we risk seeing nothingness. I went into a radically new mindset today, just by contemplating "whose responsible for all of this". The immediate answer was "me". Im the one whose choosing to not contemplate further to create reality. Or im the one who chooses to see nothingness. Its all me. Im doing it. But what is me? If im a human, how can i willfully make the world nothingness or something? Ahhhhhh......... Im the universe, acting through a human. And I thought i was a human because i totally forgot that the ability to perceive and be aware, is not caused by being a human, but by being the universe. A human does not perceive, and cannot perceive or be aware. A human does not have such capabilities. A human does nothing. Its the universe that perceives and is aware. This body has nothing to do with me. And me is the centre of the universe, because there is nothing outside of me. And me is the one running the show. Not the human. The universe is acting from the centre of the human flesh. The universe is being aware from the centre of the human. But its the universe that is perceiving and being aware, not the human. When i was saying I, I thought i meant the human, but i actually meant the universe. I is referring to the universe, not to the human. This has opened a radically different viewpoint. I dont know what to do anymore. There is no where to go, and nothing to achieve or accomplish. There is a very strange sense of completion, because, you cant be more than this. Its literally everything. You cant complete yourself by becoming some famous artist, because you are the one who makes up the idea of the famous artist itself. You are prior to it. You cant even become enlightened, because its your unwillingness to contemplate and collapse the world, or you pretending that your thoughts are fundamental and that you cant deconstruct further, that is creating enlightenment. You are prior to enlightenment. What do you do in such a mindset? I dont know what to do. Theres no where to go or be.