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True nonduality involves no time, no past associations, no perception, no experience. At the highest levels of enlightenment (from what I've heard), one can choose to partake in the dance of duality / time and tie their shoes, seeing the shoes as they are Now, completely present... or one can rest as The Absolute, which is beyond experience and incapable of being described. Awareness is limited. It has to exist and be aware. Your ultimate nature is beyond description, cannot be experience, described, intuited, etc. You can only let go of all identification (even open empty presence awareness), and drop all effort entirely, and be it. There is more to enlightenment than realizing you are aware of your bodymind, and not the bodymind itself... Where did the awareness come from?

@Arman i completely agree with you. i think a reason why me (and practically everyone on here) quite like Leo's approach to explaining this is because he does it in a non-bullshit, straight to the point, open to skeptism way. I noticed Faceless's way of explaining the concept of nonduality is through the use of something similar to riddles. However i dont think his points are wrong or anything, just that sometimes ( a lot of the times) when i dont understand, i feel like im dumb or inadequate to understand this lesson thats being presented to me. Sometimes i get frustrated when i ask him to elaborate but he doesnt answer the question directly, instead answers by the use of other riddles. Then again there is a great deal of myself projecting onto faceless's answers (my insecurity leading me to believe that im dumb since i dont understand or my somewhat lacking of self-worth jumping to conclusions that he is speaking is a condescending-im-more-spiritual-than-you kinda way). We are all here to learn. Peace Also just wondering @Mikael89 @Faceless @Outer @Anna1 have any of you actually experienced no-self, or "enlightenment". Not talking about the philosophical questioning that all is one, but actually feeling it, the infinite?

@Ether “Old boy” was the experiencer of nonduality. A concept of an individual. The character in time who convinced the audience it’s the actor. The filter of the present. The unseeable haze. The firmament to clarity. The lynch pin of the gateless gate. The ‘protector’ of actual reality. The invisible shield of fear. The offended, perturbed, and engaged when addressed as - my friend, buddy, and ‘old boy’. The seer of other and therefore, other. The owner of memories and desires. Old boy was a selfless half dead workhorse still running in it’s mind even as it was being put down, and of course, freed.

I wrote a blog post about this very thing - http://www.engagednonduality.com/what-does-we-are-all-one-really-mean/ My understanding is that you and I are literally not two. Not two is the direct meaning of nonduality.

This is a conceptualization and product of the “movement of thought” If you “the center” thought, is still in motion then oneness is an idea and nothing more. Unless the you “the movement of duality ends” the fact remains that the self as a divisive/dualistic entity is merely interpreting nonduality and not ending the actual movement of duality In oneself. If conciousness is full of its conditioned movement/content then “ONENESS” is an idea. Ideas don’t end the movement of duality. Actually Ending Duality does. Unless this is actual in oneself,LOVE is not.

The first and most important thing to realize is, that nonduality is NOT a concept. All concepts are dualistic by nature because lamnguage and symbols are dualistic by nature. Nonduality is not. This is why you have to have a direct experience in order to truly understand it. You have to become it. It's very helpful to have some understanding about the nature of insight. There is a great video interview series, that Leo did with Peter Ralston, that I highly recommend: https://vimeo.com/181710583 As far as books, also Ralstons material is great, and I also recommend the books of Andre Doshim Halaw. I love them, because they are very short and conscise and crystal clear. I also like Daniel Ingram and Shinzen Young very much. Especially Shinzen has some great descriptions of infinity. There is a great audio progam by him, called The Science of enlightenment. Also Leo's videos about the topic.

I'm currently struggling with this nonduality concept, what kind of material would you recommend?

nonduality is what it is always real. You are awareness. Awareness is another name for you. Since you are awareness, there is no need to attain o cultivate it. All you have to do is to give up the idea of being other than awareness.

The nondual is when the dualistic is not. Any attempt to capture by conceptualization and “description” that which is nondual is dualistic. If the dualistic mind is the fact in oneself, then nonduality is not.

@Spinoza here's an analogy. Spinoza is a wave, thinking it's a seperate volitional entity (a person), but it is a part of the ocean (the world), but both are none other then H2O/water (consciousness/awareness), appearing as the ocean and a wave. So, the person is really one with the world and the person and the world are nothing more then awareness/consciousness. Nonduality means, not two. So, the manifest and nonmanifest are one. Nisargadatta Maharaj — 'Wisdom tells me I am no-thing. Love tells me I am every-thing and between the two my life flows.'

@Mikael89 @B_Naz Thanks, yeah, in the past, I had been in some nonduality wars (not fun), but things are different now. Id rather say, let's agree to disagree, if I don't think there will be some kind of a meeting of the mind. With faceless, I don't know where he is getting his info and it's not my perspective. So, that's the end if the road for this topic. Lastly- keep it relatively simple or you could/can get lost for years.

That's not true! Well, maybe you think it's true, for you. No, im not "my" consciousness. I "am" consciousness. There is "one" awareness/consciousness, everything arises within awareness (nonduality). Meaning awareness is always "full of things", but awareness doesn't have to be bound (or identified), by what appears. Who's promoting deception? What exactly do u mean when u say, "end duality in themselves"? That's left wide open for mis-interpretation. No, I dont actually.

This is all a romantic idea until all dualistic movement ends. You are your conciousness. If it is full of things then you are that bound by things. If consciousness is empty of its conditioned content and dualistic movement, then that conciousness is empty of things, and therefore that is NO-THINGNESS. Its important not to get caught in illusion and self deception. As that is not being conscious and has nothing to do with truth. The problem is when we are communicating ideas about nonduality it very easily becomes a belief “escape from fear” unless people actually end duality in themselves. I don’t think we should promote such self deception. You see what I mean??

“You” can’t. Any positive movement is a movement of thought “things” or “duality” One can not go from duality to nonduality. Duality must end. When means all dualistic movement of the doer/doing illusion “time” must be totally understood. Dont try to get anywhere in particular as that implies the doer. Just understand what is causing all this contradiction. This understanding isn’t mere verbal understanding but to be able to relate all the different aspects of thought/the thinker and see them holistically in movement as they arise. Anyway, the more one strives the more one is nourishing the movement of THINGS.

Well I would say that would be wise. I would ask you if you were referring to real or unreal movements. I would ask you if an illusion can still be a fact. And then I would recommend you inquiring into those questions, but in the form of self reflection, and not in the form of abstraction, like books and or an authority. That's right But thought is movement and a very persistent movement at that. Duality is an illusion but even when one who may ”know” that, it still often continues to dominate every step we take in our daily life. One can ”believe in and know” nonduality very well yet they may still be moving in a dualistic manner. One will say they known oneness yet every action they take implies separateness, and expressed dualistically. Knowing nonduality and actually ending duality in one's self is dramatically different indeed. To acquire and accumulate nondual teachings is quite different than putting all ones energy into self knowledge and self understanding, which sees and negates all positive action “duality”...In self reflection we learn all aspects of oneself and in that there is a maintaining a choiceless attention to innatention. This the essence of awareness. Duality and belief have much in common. Both movments of divison. Both movements of contradiction, both movements of fear. Actually both are really one and the same movement. This becomes quite apparent when we explore/observe ourselves with diligent religiosity.

This may not be for everyone but... All practices are movements of concentration and imply duality which inevitably leads to illusion/deception. Everything “you” the self does implies division/duality. Practices will only perpetuate duality therefore are acts of ego/self. Any movement to understand/realize nonduality is this direction will always be a movement of duality therefore not non duality. To end duality actually in ones self implies nonduality. If the doer “a movement of duality” is attempting realize “nonduality” then that is a movement of contradiction. Because the doer is the doing...There is no division between the doer and the doing. It’s one and the same process. If one moves in that grove then that is an escape of what is and implies fear, pleasure, and contradiction. And to escape chasing the illusion of psychological security always leads to psychological insecurity. This is a means of escape. This is disorder. If one really wants to live a timeless life, then there must be a negation of all dualistic/divisive movements of self/thought. Thought must be understood completely. Investigate how the the self/thought always moves in a dualistic, fragmented, and mechanical way. Understand the nature of fear and the compulsion to escape that fear “what is.” See the subtle ways in which fear will influence every movement one makes. See how subtle the self/thought moves. Learn about yourself. And in the understanding of yourself you are free from what is “duality” Or one can get caught up in the game of fear and contradiction for the rest of there lives. Your choice

In my opinion even when we realise nonduality (if i understand it well), it can help you to not take life issue seriously and not overthink, but you will still live in the dual illusionary world, you will still have to follow society rule and pay internet bill. If you really look at the experience of life as non dual, you won't talk no more, won't eat, won't look for happiness, and won't do anything since you are aware that no words can describe anything, all effort are done to achieve an illusion and everything is mind creation. first you will look so crazy, after some days you will die it seems impossible to exist/live out of the illusion

Even the accumulated ideas/experiences reality/nonduality.

Explanations of nonduality have no meaning

@Highest Yep. You’re God alright. Nonduality. There is not two. If there is, in appearance, that’s illusionary. The actual Truth, really is, there is only God, no illusion. The creator of all. And you are that. To realize this, you have to Be without belief, and without a concept of self. Prior to this realization, it is not believable, or understandable. Nonduality can’t be communicated, inherently. Only direct experience, until complete collapse of duality of the Self & God, will do. Just for clarity sake, let me state again, this is not believable. So, I am acknowledging, it is not possible, to believe this. It is not possible, to understand this either. Only to realize.

Let me try to put it this way: Everything is an interpretation. I am your interpretation. The whole 100% me. Even if you saw me in flesh, I would still be 100% your interpretation. There is no difference between me and you. I am you. Ring any bells? Enlightenment? Nonduality?

@Truth Addict You can’t simulate a psychadelic in meditation. If there’s internet and a keyboard in your country, there’s psychadelics, when you’re ready, they’ll show up. Seen the matrix? Know when Morpheus says, No one can tell you what the matrix is, you have to experience it for yourself? He’s talking about psychedelics and nonduality, and it’s an accurate line. The Truth is unbelievable, unimaginable.

If you are so nondual, or so self-realized, why are you wasting so much of your time fighting others? This is such a rookie mistake. The reality is that nonduality is a difficult thing to teach, no matter by what method. Traps are numerous NO MATTER WHICH PATH YOU TAKE. There is no such thing as the perfect path. There is no such thing as a path with no downsides or traps or potential for delusion. Any path you take can be misused. Any teaching you hear can be misused. Any teaching can be dangerous in the wrong hands. Any teaching can be nitpicked and criticized into ill-repute if one so desires. You can easily write a massive diatribe about every single spiritual teacher and spiritual path ever devised by man. And you would be half-right. But all of this is just an ideology game. It's a fundamental failure to understand the other person. It's also rather annoying to moderate and creates idle controversy where none really exists. Not only does it turn good people against each other, it's false and ignorant. - Leo Gura

THIS. Nonduality.

Nonduality by accumulation of ideas/experiences lol Kinda like reading a bible thinking that will get you to heaven