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Yeah, that is personally why I don't think about committing suicide seriously. You may kill yourself but then there is a possibility that you will simply just start over again with all the bullshit that comes with it. At least in this life we already figured something out and now we have the tools to do something. Who knows if you'll be able to find these tools in your next life.

If you are thinking of suicide I would suggest you tell someone close to you and try to get help from a professional. Spiritual enlightenment isn’t a cure for severe mental problems.

Suicide is the fastest method known to mankind so far, next to taking high doses of 5-MeO-DMT. Or do a slow 21 day dark room retreat/while fasting and you will come out of that room enlightened.

You need both Atman and Maya to have a functioning reality, suicide would remove Maya and you’d be dead so there would be no experience at all, that is not enlightenment.

@Devil What do you mean by DEATH? You advocate suicide on order to gain truth aka ALL?

It is objective in the sense that it’s wires into the biology of living creatures, hence outside their control. In that sense it’s an objective value in that you don’t have a say in it. As a suicide victim how hard it is to overcome the survival drive. Ultimately though we are subjective creatures that live by subjective values. There isn’t a way around that.

When I read threads here I see a few members that are truly great, they seem to know everything and have an aura of enlightenment about them. However, it still feels like they are refusing to make the very last step to finally become fully enlightened, like they hold something back. Like they are 99% enlightened and not aim any higher that that. At very rare occasions though, I see members who are all in so to speak, 100% , I often notice when facing those posts already after reading the first sentence. I can't nail what's special about them, they just are. They just feel so incredible transparent, honest and full of integrity. I feel their words digs in to my body and deliver silence and truth. What I notice about these posters is that they are not interesting in socialising or sharing ideas back and forth, they often just post one single post and that's it, then they are gone for good. In a way, all of those "One post wonder"- members had a dark picture of life. But it didn't felt dark at all reading them, rather it felt liberating to read them. A few of them decided to commit suicide, others have chosen to stay but they know there is nothing to gain in doing so. They just let the lucid dream continue, but for no reason really. The reason why I don't feel sad reading those dark posts is because I recognise how they desire REAL enlightenment in a way. And if you want REAL enlightenment, you can't really desire any aspect of worldly life, not even "enlightenment" within a body mind, and that explain the dark nature of their posts(which paradoxically aren't dark at all). They were not satisfied to reach a point were they saw through duality. They wanted more(same as less), they were not satisfied with a lucid dream within an agent lost in maya, they wanted FULL awakening. And think about it, first you don't recognise reality as a dream, you believe it is real, then you recognise it's nothing but a dream(maya). You're having a lucid dream by now, but that's not really to be fully awake. If you have a dream at night, and start realising you're in the middle of a dream, you might find it fascinating to be in a lucid dream for a while, but after that initial bliss and freedom of realising you're in a lucid dream, don't you want to quit the game all together, folding up to ten and become fully awake? I can't see how you can stay within a body mind and be fully enlightened, even if you don't identify at all with the body mind that carries you around. Can you? Also, at my most blissful in moments in life, when I really enjoy life the most, thoughts like "Nothing could be better then to be physical dead" have come to my mind. Those thoughts only come when I really experience great happiness in life, I think that is because the supreme creator know that I can handle the truth at that time. Those kind of thoughts never come me, when life isn't that good, then I think of a new car, a new carrier, a new girlfriend or anything other superficial. Elaborate.

@MarkusSweden enlightenment is realizing and living the true nature of Reality, which is conscious, breathing and typing right now. it's not like Truth became, becomes or will become falsity someday. Truth is eternal whether it's realized or not. there's no fundamental change required such as "physical death". suicide is denial, opposed to living gracefully a.k.a. full acceptance.

Maybe it's because of this post (literally a suicide note to the forum, it doesn't matter if it's real or not) that I don't like to use the phrase "kill yourself". The guy literally expressed his belief that self-harm and suicide is the way to liberation. But what do we know?

hello everyone, this is my first post right there before all i'm thankful that i found a place where i can express and have advices from amazing people as i saw in the forum, my name is zack i have 23 year old i cant find out a sens for my life anymore i don't want to suicide but i don't want to live , i'm positive but i have a serious downs... so here i'am my story is that i get lot of issuses , started with my envirenement which is vexy toxical , and i cant figure out how can i find new people with good vibe , i'm studying something i don't like but i have to ,because it will lead me to something i like at the time , i reapeated my year 2 times and i'll repeat again and that causes me smash emotion in me , i feel hopless even if i strive for big goals... , i have at the time insecurities i strugled because i'm losing my hear that cause me self insecurities , i'm feeling alone and i feel like no one can understand that feeling or even help me , i'm trying lot of things every day , well lot of people said move on u're not a tree ... but in my case in cant leave because even the closest people to me ar toxicals and i have to survive with them(very complicated case famely ) , i have doubt with comparaison and i still stress meeting people i feel like i'm losing my self , it causes me headtache everytime because i can figure out any solution especely for that year that i'll repeat my university class it so harmfull emotionaly for me , i also had focus issues and i've been rejected by a girl that i was convinced that she'll help me steping forward, i'm in the point that i i dont wont spread negativity by telling how i feel but to get some advices and opinions ,

@Omario Commit ego suicide. Look in a mirror (optional) and say to yourself "Everything I've held true about myself since the day I was born has been a lie". Can tell you from experiance that will give you an ego death. Tried it a few times and nothing happened at first so almost gave up. Gave it one more honest try. Caution: It's a real foundation shaker to the physiological self.

If one seeks the end of seeking the seeker seeks it's own end....so, it's seeker suicide so to speak.

Live a life of sheer joy and ecstasy , that is the only way to live. Every other way is only to commit a slow suicide. There is a life to live which is of adventure and not of social conformity. There is a life of meditation. Now start living a life of relaxation, calm and quiet. And you will be surprised, you have been missing life, not because life is worthless. You have been missing life because you have been taught to live a worthless kind of life.

Saying that is rude. This person, at least to me, isn't whining at all. Just stating their claim pretty calmly. @TheSomeBody Even though you stated that you are not depressed your posts to me seem like you are depressed. I believe if someone is thinking of suicide then that person probably has depression. Agree. Have you thought about counselling? Do you have insurance that would cover it? I have a theory on counselling. I believe 1/3 counselors can improve your life in at least a decent way. I believe counselling has a bad rep because those people have gotten unlucky with the 1/3 odds. Even though it is 1/3 you can still go 0/8, for example. I believe almost all counselors try to help and want to help, but I think that counselling is one of the hardest jobs possible to be good at. I hear you. I've been putting in the work and yet where are my results! I am currently reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's autobiography and it has been very inspiration to me. Like you, I struggle with finding meaning in doing anything. This book has been helping me fight that. This sounds really great on paper. You are not the first person I have read type this. The thing is I have yet to read someone explain why this is and be able to relate that to the person who feels the opposite.

One of my posts was deleted without an explanation. I messaged two moderators. One of them said he deleted my post because the title of my post was likely to trigger suicidal people to commit suicide with guns.

My best friend of 10 years just committed suicide and I'm having trouble processing it.

if you are referring to suicide, this is the opposite of which you seek, it would mean to forfeit the journey you have already made so much progress on. it is an act of senseless violence that causes nothing but despair. not only that, it would set humanity back and add to the tragedy and misery that impede the growth of many. this i have seen firsthand on far too many accounts. the preparations have already been made if it is a practice or task you are looking for... it is coming to terms with or realizing these preparations via expansion of awareness and being the appropriate approach to take is completely up to you and what fits your situation, there are many directions at that, most of which involve the cultivation of mindfulness. you are in the right place. just know you are already on the path ṅ̠̦͓͖̝͓͇̙͇̓ͨ͌͐ͭa̰͈̲̖̱͖͗͗̓͂̑̋̃̅̋͑͛̈́̔͐͋͑̑̚̚m̜͙̹̲͉̜͉̹͎͔̼̬̯̪̣̑̆ͮͯ̽͐̍͊ͮ͊͒ͅͅa̦͖͚̖̺̲̯̲͋ͭ̿̚ṣ̮͙͇̹̖̲̳̞͉͎͕͖̅̐̃́̄̀̓ͩͧ̎͒͋ͬ͐̿́̓͛͗t̺̦͇͉͇͚̖͆́ͩ̆ͨ̿̄͆ͫͣe̤̥̘̲̺̳̫̲͔̫̻̺̱̺̯ͯ̇̀̊̔ͬͤͧ͊̔ͦͪ - yawning gap

Hi, @Strikr! Thank you for your answer. I hope you get better of your ADHD. Maybe meditation can help you. Recently, I lost my best friend (he attempted suicide) and I cried a lot. When my dog died around 1 year ago, I also cried. Maybe I'm too sensitive. I think drugs are good when used the right way. Nowadays, psychiatrists put people on high amount of drugs with no reason. I'm tapering off antipsychotics because I think I don't need them anymore, but, if I have a psychotic crisis again, I will take it (but probably with a low dose). The idea that no one can understand me makes sense. As Leo says, we're alone.

Hi, @stevegan928! I feel your pain and I'm sorry for it. My best friend also attempted suicide around two weeks ago. It made me really sad and I still cry because of him. I didn't believe it in the beginning. Maybe you're thinking: "why he didn't tell me nothing?" or "why he didn't try to reach me out?". I think we'll never understand it and we can't predict what people will do. Stay connected with your feelings and be with trusted people. I hope the best for you.

Well, don't get crazy thoughts like suicide. This is going to pass, friend.

Yes there is, at least from my perspective. My theory is that everything is energy (because all matter is energy according to E=mc^2, but not all energy is matter [such as sounds and weaves]). Therefore there is no "I", we are just energy; there is no difference between the outside and the inside. There is no duality, all is one. This coincides with the animist idea that there is a soul in everything, not just in humans; and with the Christian idea that God is everywhere (omnipresence), that we are God (which is why they forbide suicide, because killing ourselves would mean killing God). Enlightenment is where spirituality and philosophy overlap; Enlightenment is an experience which can't be explained with language, because it shows to the fullest extent that all is one, and instead language is used to categorize, create duality, define something as different from something else, and such. Can you see how I went from a purely philosophical/metaphisical idea (e.g. "we are all matter"), to a completely spiritual one (e.g. "all is one, it can't be expressed with words")?

@Robert use systems thinking to solve the problem of homelessness even make that your life purpose The over-arching life purpose of much of my thinking would be under the umbrella of "reducing human suffering, inside and out" which I have observed is a very common realization many of us share. I can come up with the most brilliant practical solutions to many of the world's problems, some of I am sure taking small action, or sharing the ideas with certain people can have profound butterfly effects. But with the urban street homeless issue, it's all just theoretical musings. I can clearly see how things like immigration enforcement, safety nets of basic living provisions, forced detox programs, prefabricated mini-houses, Gulags, assisted suicide, public nuisance ordinances, funding mental health services, privatizing public spaces, and many other changes could prevent the issue on one end and solve it on the other. Lot of these are obvious, and most others are brought up in political discussion. But politics itself is the limiting factor here, the pigeonholing of social issues into left and right leaning agendas, and the arbitrary lines between countries, states, counties and cities. I don't want to obsess over this issue, I accept it exists and there is no escaping it. It's actually beneficial to myself and to the world if I don't focus on the negative manifestations of things, better to think positive thoughts and live in a world of shiny happy people than live in fear and disgust towards homeless migration. Why not think bigger instead, addressing the root issue: Fostering awareness of how attitudes like pathological altruism and feel-good-ism, which are responsible for so many band-aid solutions which appear on the surface to be acting from a place of compassion, only lead to more human suffering. Or more broadly, helping the world at large advance into the next stages of consciousness, leading by example.

I can understand your perspective, but I think there are nicer ways to deal with the homeless. Perhaps, some cities learned how to deal with them without violence. Assisted suicide is not necessarily bad. People who suffer terminal illness think assisted suicide should be available for them.

Also an important thing to mention is that euthanizing most of the urban homeless, those who are experiencing constant suffering and realistically have no chance of being anything else but a street bum, actually feels like the most compassionate thing to do in terms of alleviating human suffering. When I walk under a freeway, often choosing to walk out into the street and risk getting hit by cars than go near the homeless encampments, I see all those wretched miserable people there barely even living, rotting away in their own waste, painfully waiting around to die. They would probably kill themselves if they had an opportunity to do it quick and painlessly, assisted suicide programs would be a humane option I suppose. Been talking about this stuff too much and it's getting depressing, got to go clear my mind by looking at pictures of mountians and trees and flowers.

Hey guys, I know this is a topic a lot of people will answer with a lack of connection of those famous people and I consider this an on point fact, but I am interested in debating this topic also from other points of view. It's also more about what those suicides means for our society in general. Let me begin, with claiming that I know that those famous people get special attention. I know there are many ordinary (not famous) people who engage in suicide but I am not aware about those numbers. So let me start. I recently noticed that a lot of famous people encounter suicide and since I liked a few of them I thought about the topic a little bit. For example, the Linkin Park front man, Avici, a german Soccer Goalkeeper years ago etc. I am sure every individual has their own story and good reasons for why the committed suicide, but in general I got to say that those names make me sad. Often times I hear those people did to much drugs and all of this stuff. First question, maybe meditation is the answer, but I want to ask this. Why are drugs, such a big topic in the music industry? I know they have to work a lot, but in the end they are kind of pursuing their life purpose aren't they? So anyways I know a lot of pressure comes with being a famous musician, but still I am always surprised by how many people do drugs whether it are celebs or ordinary people. Society is kind of structured the way, that being a celeb is the ultimate goal. Whether through social media, sports, music or whatever else makes you famous today. What do you guys think about this kind of belief that society shows celeb status as something very attractive for a lot of people? Second big question. I guess a lot of people know the famous quote from Jim Carrey: “I think everybody should get rich and famous and do everything they ever dreamed of so they can see that it’s not the answer.” Famous celebs that earn a lot of money are kind of rushing the system. They can learn from first hand that fame, status and money won't make you happy, why the hell is there no one out there that helps them to get on a path of happiness and fulfillment? I mean those people, they don't have to care about making ends meat, they have time and can afford to learn from the best, so why aren't they committing to a path of growing? I mean after partying and all of this shit they all kind of notice the limitations of that. But it seems to me as if they are unhappy, but try to pursue the stuff that made them unhappy in the first place all over again. So my question would be, why aren't more successful people on the path of growing, but rather involved into drugs and patty shit, even after noticing that it is a sink whole? Thanks for reading help me to grow guys!