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Its a rabbit hole. In hindu literature you will find many ways of meditation - kriya, dhyana, bhakti, puja, nirahara, ajapajapa, shoonya, purnattva, tyaga, tapas e.c.t. Spiritual practice is really independent and necessary by itself, because it will purify you in ways and intensity you never dreamed of. It will make you acess the meditativeness more easily to enjoy the pleasures more completely and ultimately suffer less and less. It is a very unfortunate thing calling just about anything as meditation, for example, playing an instrument or really enjoying something like a game of football e.c.t. or after some positive event in your life; yes, that can be meditative but only unonsciously, the access there is dependant on external factors. But with spiritual practice your life energies and access of the bliss will be more and more in your hands. I don't think i can give you an accurate description of how to. You have to look for somebody else for tips like searching Leos videos e.c.t.

Insights Today: 1. Accepting reality does not mean accepting devilry or delusion. It does not mean accepting 'bad', 'evil', 'corruption', 'judgement', 'hatred', etc. It means accepting the thing that causes those judgements. Accept the thing that causes those judgements, but replace the judgements with optimism, love, passion, bliss, 'being proud', etc. For example if you're socially awkward. Accepting reality does not mean accepting that you're a no hoper, or that you're bad with humans, etc. It means accepting the awkwardness that causes the judgements of being a no hoper or bad with humans. Then loving that awkwardness, being optimistic that the awkwardness can be loved by others and can lead you to living a good life (reframing the awkwardness from = lack of prosperity to = lots of prosperity) is beautiful, funny, cool, cute, and you should be proud of it. 2. Handling the macro and micro. Macro = hands off. Micro = hands on. When inventing a solution to a problem, and you're the leader of a team, give your employees the macro tasks, but be hands on and largely do the micro tasks yourself (if you're a creator like me). The micro task being the 'linchpin' or the crux of the whole idea. The important part, the gem, the oracle or the heart of the entire thing.

Exercise: Suffering I have experienced forms of suffering, such as: bad self esteem in school- was bullied a lot from middle school on, and had no friends from that time until I went to college. Then I realized homosexuality and was alienated from my dogmatic christian family. Thank god I had my mom, who also had her own awakening around the same time I did….actually she beat me to it and gave me the space for it to manifest. Thanks mom!! Suffering does not drag on continuously, thankfully there are also moments of clarity, love, completeness, and contentedness. Its interesting, I do not feel suffering in much of my life outside work, unless I'm at home thinking about work. Work brings 99% suffering, even though there are many things going on at home like termite damage in house and a depressed, possibly bipolar husband. Much energy is spent thinking about work. Home seems like a cake-walk. I meet this suffering by whining, avoiding, tantrums, covering, compartmentalizing, obsessing, hating, loving, questioning. Possibly running to an alternate form of suffering. The core of experience of my emotional pain? Fear of uncertainty. I'm scared of the unknown, every bit as scared as when I used to love it. I still love uncertainty on a great roller coaster or amazing cinematic experience. The unknown could also bring pain, and I'm obsessively scared of pain. Even seeing that pain is self inflicted, that fear remains. It exists because i believe in it. Sorry, I love beliefs. Kind of addicted to them, in a way that I don't mind identifying with them. They're beautiful. And they make a wonderful excuse for many things. Such as not letting go of them. An unnoticed suffering would be: maybe what I'm doing to my body, since I don't think long term and only about what I see right now, which is not immediate changes from how it's treated. I endure it because… its inevitable. A cultural-matrix self will inevitably suffer, like the best kind of art. Culture itself is ART. I definitely see the manifestation of suffering. It's built on the foundation of self-doubt and emptiness. Of want. Of believing thought. I get nothing out of this suffering, except perhaps the dopamine rush of bliss when the suffering ends and I feel peace once more. I become disinterested in everything except how much my life sucks in relation to what is bringing suffering. I'm very dramatic.

So you're telling us that there is no reward upon reaching the end of the tunnel, or am I misunderstanding something? Maybe you mean there's no bliss at the material level, but at some kind of meta-level there must be bliss and ecstasy to be found, right? If not, then what is it exactly that incentivizes one to move toward God and Love? Doesn't make any sense.

After a day I think the ayahuasca I had did affect me more than I expected, because my baseline was a bit lower than it was on the ayahuasca. Orientation for living a good life: Life is a play/dance/story/movie/dream. Its made of magical pixie dust (aka consciousness). Life becomes not fun when you take it too seriously, when you fear death and don't see the bigger picture: which is the entire point of life is to create for the sake of creating, because as God you love your creations and you love creating. Bliss and Love IS creating. When you fear death, and fear other stuff, you start projecting stuff that isn't fun and isn't true, such as your coworkers don't like you, you're bad at blablabla, you're evil, you're a monster, lava and certain items are poisonous and bad, etc. Its so much more beautiful to see lava as a dream, rather than to see it as something that can kill you. Compare the lava in real life vs the lava in legends of zelda. Notice that the lava in legends of zelda is 1000x more beautiful than the lava in real life? That's because the legends of zelda lava can't kill you! Notice that horror movies are so much more fun when you're conscious that they are just movies. Not real. Too much immersion = fear. Not enough immersion = cynicism, nihilism, stupid adviata vedanta traps like everything is an illusion, intellectual detachment. Get the balance right. The bigger picture of life is to create! Create beautiful, amazing awesome things. If you do that, you're in tune with God. If you don't do that, you're fucked, and FYI low self esteem, fear, devilry, self deception, etc. Is not beautiful creation. Beautiful creation is passionate creation. Creation that brings you bliss and love. Instead of life being a 3D world, its actually a language designed for God to communicate to you Truth, Love and Bliss. And God communicates to you this way due to Your love of creation. He doesn't tell you stuff directly, because by telling you stuff indirectly, he can create an epic play in the process of your waking up process.

No. In practice it's very hard to eliminate such judgments and survival habits. Survival is seriously stubborn. No, I'm rarely in a blissful state. Some days I feel shitty. It all depends. There is the spiritual ideal, and then there is your actual life. And they are very different. You have to be very careful with this goal of bliss and happiness. You're likely yo be disappointed on that front.

To give my own oppinion,maybe Jesus Christ's teachings about Adam and Eve's ancestral sin could be a answer! I am a Christian and i am biased but maybe God's will is for alive beings to experience duality! Both suffering&hardship and bliss&well being!And any kind of little bliss state must be hard earned!I don't take Christian teachings litteraly but rather as metaphors for spiritual understanding! Maybe that is God's will and that the reality we experience must be this way! Without only rainbows and butterflies!

I want to share my 5 meo experience after my breakup one week before with a long term relationship (5 year). During this week I was in very bad mood, was total depressed, watched a lot of porn, played video games and worked hard to distract me. I also did sport every day and was in a strong low carb diet. I lost 2 kg in this week. So I thought it would be interesting to give 5 meo a try. I fastet 8 hours and did 20 minutes meditation before the trip. I measured 2 cups ( 3 mg) 5 Meo hcl and used the boofing technique (https://www.reddit.com/user/WeirdOneTwoThree/comments/98o55b/guide_to_per_rectal_administration_of_opiates/ ) for optimal results (@ LeoGura, no you dont need to stick it in your ass for 1 Minutes it only needs 3 seconds). I was not afraid at all, my mood was normal after meditation. I played a song (Liquid Records), closed my eyes and the effects started immediately to kick in. A little nausea arised in beginning, then my breath got stronger. The trip went unpleasant, the music I did not enjoy at all. I had the feeling something is wrong/weired. I opened my eyes for some seconds and then in my mind comes the thought "I dont want to break reality right now, I dont want non duallity whatever that is". Strong fear kicked in and I closed my eyes again. I tried to relax, smiled. I managed the fear somehow but still very very unpleasant, my heart beat raised. I had strange headspace like everything is moving and I cannot locate where I am. 5 hours after the trip I went to sleep and a reactivation happened. I had strange trippy dreamthoughts and even if I closed my eyes it felt like everything is moving like a pile of worms. This was very unpleasant. I felt alone. In the end I could sleep well. All in all I learned a lot from the trip. This trip had no positive vibrations at all, the music I did not enjoyed really and it was more like a distraction. And it seems you need to be in good mood for 5 meo otherwise it will be unpleasant. For me this low dose 5 meo experimentation comes to an end I think. Low dose can get very serious and not something to play around. I dont know what to do next with 5 meo. It was very interesting to master the plugging technique and get a little little taste what 5 meo can offer and whats it all about. This fear and unpleasantness which arives almost every second time hinders me to go further. My first trip ( 4 mg) was the only one I experienced bliss. It never happened again during any other trip. What are your experiences with low dose 5 meo and do you have similar experiences like mine?

O @allislove you are right, low dose is breakthrough possible. I felt like I could not hold on to anything and this was scary. Like if I would go deeper I would not know where is up and down. total delocalization. I think this is what ego loss must be. @Leo Gura You are right. Pushing an experience to get bliss goes wrong. It is like forcing to love someone you dont like. It doesnt work that way. I will make a break for now with 5 meo. When I come back I will be in for a breakthrough experience. Enough of this low dose experimentation.

1) Don't trip when you are in a bad mood. 2) Don't trip for the purpose of experiencing bliss or pleasure. Those are your two mistakes.

Ignorance is bliss

@OBEler I agree with you. 5-MeO is amazing. It's the clearest psychedelic from my experience. The thing is, even on the low dose you can breakthrough, depends on you. It's essential to know how to let go. Meditation, every morning, 1 hour, attention on deep breathing teaches you that. You are the bliss.

@allislove I experienced one time bliss with low dose 5 meo. It is possible. I wish I could trigger this experience again. Any advice is welcome. 5 meo for me is a great substance, you just need 30 minutes of time. Easy to consume if plugged and no hangovers. And almost no tolerance at all. Furthermore if Nahm is right, 5 meo low dose could burn some karma if you bring stuff to the surface. i rarely do LSD because you really have 8 hours effects and I dont like this trippy feeling. 5 meo is much more clearer.

@RedLine When entering into a bliss meditative state, can you open your eyes and close them again wile maintaining the state? or move your hand or stand up and sit back down while maintaining the state? Try meditating to bliss then open eyes and work/do a task while maintaining that bliss, when the bliss fades stop and meditate back into bliss and start the task again. Its like repetition in the gym. Same concept. Eventually it will be quicker and quicker to enter into deep states and it can be maintained longer and longer, until it becomes your default state. Also think to train incrementally with small things like at first meditate to bliss then try ti stand up and sit back down and maintain it. Build up slowly.

I had the same experience when I first started experimenting with 5-meo. My trips were terrible. I was scared, anxious, it was uncomfortable, and I wanted it to stop. It gets worst before it gets better. The first time can be brutal until you break through. Once you on the other side, its pure bliss. The breakthrough actually changed my relationship with the substance. Every consecutive trip was pleasant and therapeutic regardless of the dose or the substance. 5-MeO amplifies what you feel inside. If you're new to psychedelics, you will have internal baggage and bad karma that will get burned. I went through total hell on my first trips. Its just how the substance works, there's no free lunch here. Yet it's the best thing I've ever done. Living a higher consciousness lifestyle and being inturned with spirituality will reduce the negative side effects for sure. Leo was pretty developed when he first did 5-meo, hence it wasn't as bad for him. But form personal experience, and the majority of reports I've read, the first attempts usually go bad. I recommend you spend a few months getting over your ex, then get your life together by quitting video games and porn. Then go back to 5-meo and commit to 10 trips with increments in dosage.

@nistake This trip was not to avoid negative feelings but to learn more about this substance. A I said I mostly get no bliss from 5 meo low dose. The real purpose was to experiment with music during the trip ( I never did this before) and how it affects me. Also I was interested how the breakup affects the 5 meo trip. I have better tools to avoid negative feelings (sport, video games, porn), I clearly had no expectation what this trip will offer me, I was just curious. And this was not a bad trip at all. It was very unpleasant, yes. Still I have no regrets and am happy right now I did overcome this challenge.

My main mistake here is that I do not trust the external force, does not seem like it is bliss to me, would be fair to say unknown.... Not new to me, been there, down that Surrender is my prayer I only want what is best for me, even though I do not see the bigger picture yet. Peace can be established immediately. yes, otherwise the slap on the face hurts a lot.

@Galyna pain is such a crazy thing...i became real intimate with how it works while on a shroom trip last year. It became nonexistent How dare we walk the infinite path, moving up the ladder of awareness, spiraling higher and higher into utter bliss The deeper we feel the greater we love, it's like a gift and a curse relatively speaKING I want to escape myself, but then when i cannot, i will be forced to escape the need to escape....surrender sounds better than escape, sometimes surrender has to look like an absurd irrational action... We are living the test and the only way to "pass" is to not give a fuck

August 20, 2020 Today I finally did it. I started the life purpose course. I think I will be fine typing on this, but I do not need to hold it very high. If it is like chessable, it turns into a time sink if I am not really helping myself. I will need to contemplate this activity I am doing right now to determine how helpful it is. Maybe it is helpful because it constantly reminds me of personal development and self actualization. I also managed to finish giving away all of my rubies. The people in the site seem very happy with my decision and they support my search for my life purpose. I wish them good luck in continuing chess and learning. Chess bothers me a little in that it is very narrow for a life purpose, and therefore can't be the middle. I also realize that it reinforced my identity as the mind which might be cool to transcend. Sometimes I blow myself away with what I write even though it is not a common way of thinking. I did more meditation on my day off in the backyard. I am happy for only working part time because it lets me work on all of this stuff. The life purpose course might help me find a better job which is why my intuition tells me that I should get a car because it probably will not be within walking distance. I live with my grandma still, but this is temporary as is my dependence on people driving me around. I noticed that it is easy for me to focus on things that I am interested in. When I am not interested I do not focus or listen. This is my greatest strength and weakness because I can seriously commit to a goal and master it if I truly want to. I become mediocre in things I don't care about and I just don't do As well. I need to make sure this does not hurt me in key situations while capitalizing on one of my greatest strength. I also noticed that I automatically started thinking more positive thoughts. I did not force myself to. I just put my awareness on how the negative thoughts drain me and are counter productive. I had some very unusual things written in self reflection given how I typically think. I don't want to get sucked into the vortex and downward spiral. Politics bubbled up again and the thing that bothers me about it is that it is riddled with competing ideologies. I would like to subordinate the least productive thoughts to my life purpose. Maybe I will pick it up again later when I'm done aligning myself with my life purpose. Maybe I will stay away from politics because I feel dirty when promoting an ideology as if it is true. FInally, I the minor annoyances of walking with audio books started to discourage me. I am not as focused on them especially when they get complicated. Instead I go to the park to work out a little and meditate at home. If I am not meditating, working out, studying the course, or taking a break with music, then I will listen to audio books. The ones I like most are the books which point to the true nature of being. It makes me cry, but now I am happy. I can use audio books to diversify the spiritual teachings. So far it is working well for me and I am listening to Eckhart Tolle. He is pretty good so far. Continue to follow your heart and you will find bliss. Also don't fear the fluctuations, they are all temporary because of what you do in your spare time.

There are similarities but depersonalization is a loss of a sense of self. Enlightenment is becoming directly conscious that you are not a self (ego death) but that instead you are (via being) the Self/Infinity/God/Love/Consciousness. The similarity comes in because awakening can have that feeling of no sense of self too, which can lead to nasty ego backlash on the return - but during awakening it is accompanied by immense bliss, unlike raw depersonalization.

Guys, as you know enligthenment is no joke nor an easy task. So, I would like to know from your personal experiences how have you dealed with this dilemma in the past. This also goes to any enlightened being in the forum who sees this. My dilemma is the following. Is it better to get your shit together in your life and then go full enligthenment or get enlightened & dont suffer but be a misery in the game while it lasts. I have tried becoming enlightened in the past and have been close to it, dedicating from 1 to almost 2 years of really nothing else but theorical spirituality, psychology and insane meditation. No social life, no focus on money, no girls, not caring much about my career, job etc. Then I got tired (my ego dragged me down again) because, yes i was feeling amazing and had peace, stillness, clarity, bliss etc. But, this created alot of external drama. My family thought I was going crazy. I almost got kicked on my job. I almost quitted college. I broke up with my last gf. And no, I wasnt affected at all. I was willing to die physically with no problem whatsoever. The thing is, after that I realized like whats the hurry? Too much speed is from the devil. Maybe even in enligthenment... But, is like, after seeing God I dont want to waste such opportunity and time. But at the same time I would like to have my shit together. Like, what if after enligthenment I become a homeless and I could have prevented that by learning how to trade and build some business that I can still run after liberation. From what I have seen from most enlightened people, they continue doing what they did in the past, unless they just become teachers. But, only because they learned that skill in the past. And they do it now as an art form. But if you get enlightened with no skill, you will have no interest in learning it. Which is the case with most sages in India living on the streets. Its like every year passing by without total liberation is hurting me because it could be a golden year from my youth to explode and explore. Or am I just exagerating? And now with so many business and investements opportunities but also so many gurus talking about the apocalypse... Its a dilemma on which to make the best investement and dont regret. Maybe this is also happening to someone else here. What do you guys think?

@iamthat Well, from personal experience when im deeply rooted in bliss I-I, I just dont feel like doing anything. I dont want to talk, act or even think. Everything seems so vain and phony in comparison to truth. I dont know if its because im still in the process and have not arrived to stabilize in Infinity yet. Some teachers say that we loose our old motivations. And I do. I dont feel like making money, just doing things for the sake of it and its hard. I almost have to force my self. Its like I just want to die already, go mahasamadhi. Stay all day in the bliss of Iam. Another thing is, when im practicing alot of spirituality I loose my social skills and desires. My personality just drops and people find me a little bit weird. Like theres something wrong. And I get that, its actually a radical change from a charismatic personality to almost a silent no body. Right now I have lost a bit of my spiritual momentum and have just lived in the mundane for a while. Im trying to look for new strategies on how to integrate both successfully without causing external drama.

@Psychonaut Thank you for sharing your experience, Would you recommend me to smoke lower doses of 5meo instead? And yes mine was pretty cheap too just as you described. Do you still have to let go before blessing out when smoking or is it just instant bliss with that type of quality 5meo? @Aaron p As for 5meo are you sure it varies and it's not in your head which one makes you feel blissed out and the ones that make you terror like? You still have to let go before blissing out or its instant bliss without letting go? @Nahm I've been following abraham for quite awhile, before 5meo i felt lots of well being following her teachings, but these days it's just difficult to make myself feel good since it's not easy to do so without base well being that i used to have. Will keep trying though, thank you for your time. I'll let it go slowly, this too shall pass. @latina25 It varies from day to day, If i focus on it too much it feels shitty, If i'm distracted it doesn't feel as bad. Brain fog can be lots or less on some days too. And yes vibrations are always present, also food and fasting affects it, i've noticed, eating a lot can make it become much less or more it's weird, fasting for longer periods will make me vibrate way more.

Keep resting in restful awareness. It is possible to do it troughout the day. All the excuses, projected conflicts and emotional inertia and even feeling ill in the body will fall into the background and the deep sielence and bliss will come more and more foreground. I think letting go of her is the best option, since she gas a bf. There is just no real good outcome. It is great that she made you feel ecstatic and it also means you can feel that way without anybody, and you wouldn't even have to rely on anybody or have to go trough any algorithm to get that high for a while you know. In my opinion life will not end in this lifetime so if you really want something, at some point in creation, it will come true for you to enjoy. But you have to sustain yourself so i advise to unclutch, it will acctually increade your capacity to enjoy life whatsoever. Also notice how you can really live without that desire when it shakes you, and you can still aspire that, but more like in moderation and after self-exploration. With romantic desires there is so much delusion and projection in it. People constantly do stupid things in the name of love and get destroyed e.c.t. My point is that you are important part of YOUR life.

Dear @0bserver, Note: My knowledge is only Intellectual. Yes, ultimately everything is just an imagination like a water in the mirage. You are right on that point. But, it seems that you think that reincarnation as an experience with-in this imaginary reality does not happen at all. May be you haven't watched the videos I posted. Please do watch them. They don't cease to exist. People do remember some details sometimes. Some yogis do remember many or all of their past lives. But, to intentionally remember all of such lives with all the details require deep meditational practices with the same intention. After death, only the Annamaya Kosha(physical body made from food) dies, The other subtle coverings like Pranamaya Kosha(Energetic), Manomaya Kosha(Mental), Vignyanamaya Kosha(Intellect), Anandamaya Kosha(Causal body whose nature is love and bliss) continue to exist even after death. Together all these 5 kosha(s)(Sheaths/Coverings) are collectively called as Pancha Koshas. Pancha means 5. They dissolve only after non-dual realisation, that too only after physical death of the body. In Bhagavad Gita, Arjuna has the same dilemma and asks Krishna: Arjuna: If one follow the path of spirituality and follow all good deeds, but die before attaining Moksha(liberation/enlightenment) what would become of that person's fate? wouldn't they lose everything and have to start again from the scratch in their future life? Krishna: Such saintly person will go to heavenly abodes of gods based on their worship of such gods, and having exhausted their good karma there(positive karmic tendencies - along with the desire, knowledge and belief of such abodes) in such abodes, will come back and take rebirth again here on earth(Having been forced by the karma that is based off of earthly experiences. - Also, doesn't mean always has to come back to earth) either in an aristocratic family or in a saintly home. Will again continue the same work from where they left off previously(the knowledge that was learned previously also has to be relearned. But, this time that portion of knowledge comes naturally and learned very easily without any hiccups. Rarely, some people may remember(Some of it or all of it) naturally without having to relearn everything) Nothing that has been gained spiritually is ever truly lost(Memory of it may not be readily accessible, but as a development in the psyche as a properly aligned goal with the absolute truth, always remains permanent). Mystical awakenings some times give you experiences that are tailor made to the person having them, due to social and cultural conditioning. But, at other times might cause realizations regarding fundamental truths which are true and real for any person of any social or cultural backgrounds. Reincarnation is one such fundamental truth which some times is experienced as a mystical experience even during deep meditation. But, because of knowledge of such truth not being taught in the said culture, one may try to explain it and treat in a way that makes sense in that particular culture / society(Some times in such cultures, such experiences may be wrongly treated as a case of possession, or a medical condition or other such and it'll curtail the spiritual growth of that individual, even causing unnecessary mental problems in his//her life). But, those societies / cultures which have long known about such truths and having studied them for thousands of years, can recognize it right away for what it really is and treat it appropriately. Just take a look at reincarnation research that's been happening for quite a few years now. It shows proof of reincarnation in almost all the major cultures, irrespective of their beliefs. I believe, the truth of reincarnation must have been known to almost every culture at one point, it only got lost recently in some cultures because of invasions, take over, propaganda and other such factors. May be reincarnation is a factor in this reality we are in. May be there are other realities which doesn't have reincarnation. That also seems plausible. 'What is and isn't possible within an imagination'?