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@blazed the biggest delusion of nonduality is the determinism and no free will. God has designed you in a way that you create and choose like he does. Therefore you are not God. You are creation of the God with love and intelligence. Jesus is the personal God. And yes I am born again christian. But I see lots of similarities between nonduality as it was my previous perspective. However there are some major delusions in nonduality as well. I am trying to raise awareness of these delusions and one among them is the ability to become god. That’s the biggest delusion.

@Rilles youre unhappy ?and you didnt make it, ?not one nondualist here did ,,make it"... its an infinite proces of growrh and work that never brings liberation or happines... but its personal development that gives us benefits... that what egoless claims that he has found is the goal of all of us... but i dont see it happening with nonduality... we just get more advanced in understanding our sufferung and getting wise and mindfull, some of us are getting more understanding, lovely, calm but not trully liberated, happy and fullfiled... it seams that egoless does, that the ,,Jesus path" can give you that... but maybe thats also a fanatic delusion and a kind of ,,triping" and blind beliving with strong pshylogical effects...soo egoless and his ego and person are not that much relevant as pure facts are... you follow nonduality and get into an infinite never ending and never arriving work of nothing (devils deception????) You follow Jesus and this is it... simply... we have to see it 4 our selfs... I have to, i dont know but im very much affected from those ,,new age (and nonduality) to christanity testiminials" like egoless has... sound kind of a truth...

Your questions lack the understanding of who Jesus is. You lack the understanding what it means that the god himself came into human being and was crucified for our sins. Human nature is sinful and Jesus is the savior of all of us. Losing Jesus is your choice. Jesus doesn’t punish anyone. It’s always your choice wether you live with or without the love of God. You are calling me a wall and expect me to answer your questions which I still did by the way. If Following nonduality made you such a disrespectful person towards human life maybe it’s time to challenge your worldview? P.S. As I have told you many times I have seen the both perspectives and I was in deep nondual practices. The Truth has been revealed to me after I made the first step towards Jesus.

while watching leo's part 2 of his retreat, he mentioned the absolute nonduality/singularity experience, and suddenly it clicked for me, i became conscious that everything is utterly meaningless. this is different from knowing intellectually that everything is meaningless, which i knew so far. I felt fear engulfing me a little, my heart beating, a lot of stuff from my life situation came to mind and i realized its utterly meaningless. I felt like I was losing control a little, but i surrendered to all the fear, let it go and it kinda passed. it was a fun experience in retrospect (i actually enjoyed the fear a little, masochistically lol, made me feel alive) and a bit of an insightful one, because I saw another example of the difference between knowing something intellectually and really getting it. I feel like maybe the effects of the kriya yoga are coming into play. ive been doing it for 2 months now, and sometimes I feel like everything is very still, and I feel kind of soft and flowing sensations in the back of my head that come with that stillness. I have an intuition that it makes me become more aware of my thoughts, emotions and feelings, and is making me able to "manipulate" consciousness in a subtle way (dunno how to explain it). I think that contributed to that realization.

Saying "Reality is virtual" is identical to saying "Reality is Nothing" or "Reality is an illusion" or "Reality is a hallucination" or "Reality is consciousness". Although I don't think Campbell actually realizes that it's not only virtual, but also infinite, and that time is NOT fundamental. I don't consider Campbell enlightened. Although his teachings are quite good. He's missing the final crowning insight of nonduality.

@Dino D forget the nonduality and follow what your heart says to you. Try at least for a month.

One who is empty doesn’t defend. I am not a nondualist. I am nothing. Nothing does not identify. I am not defending Nonduality, Christianity, as only an entity who identifies participates in such dualistic action. Truth can not be seeked. To seek truth is to push truth away.

Because I felt the existence of the God and it was something other than me. It was not me and it was apparent. It was incomparably more profound than all of my nonduality. And it only took minutes not 30 years of self hypnosis

I have also big doubts about everything and also about the nonduality... So Rupert Spira is wrong? and he (among other great non dualist) is leading us the wrong way, probbably to unhappines or what? i listened to Steven Bancarz and I spot many ego and fake things about him, he is an attention whore and deluded (its not all that he is, i see also beuty in his life but this deluded part I see also)... however he does not matter... my question is, what is your gide now? what would you advice me, and how did you found Jesus, what happend exactly??

Good luck in your search to all of you. I shared the different viewpoint, the different perspective. Now it’s up to you to decide how attached you are to the nondual ideas. Most of you here know me and know that I was deeply practicing nonduality and that I am not speaking out of thin air.

I have never accumulated a single non-dual teaching. What traditions point to is not what nonduality is anyway. I simply learned about all dualistic movement in myself and ended it. As I have said before duality must end. There is no way around that.

Fuck. If you told me a week ago what I am going to write now, I would have laughed at you. On May 25th I realized absolute Truth. What I did: During the week, that passed I had a 6.5d solo retreat and with some intense 10 to 12h of daily practice. The weekend before (May 18th-20th) I went on a nice camping trip with 3 of my friends and fellow self-actualizers. We did some inner and regular self-actualization work together and enjoyed time in nature. This was a great preparation and helped me to put some space between practical everyday life and the retreat. My intent was to reconnect myself with spirituality and to go deep into the work. I combined several different practices, kriya yoga, labeling and do nothing meditation, holotropic breathing, walking meditation starting at 5am in the morning. On the 4th day I took 300µg of AL-LAD. I tried to time everything in a way that I was a least likely to get disturbed by my housemates. Here's my schedule: M = meditation SDS = strong determintion sitting SHF = "see, hear, feel" (labeling) Holo = Holotropic breathing Allthough I was able to follow through with the entire schedule without missing one single practice (which I am kinda proud of ), I ended up having a lot of what I would call half-assad sits and sloppy meditations. I had to move and open my eyes a lot, even during strong determination sitting, and I ended up getting lost in thoughts a lot. Nevertheless I was able to enter a state of great calmness by wednesday. I also did 1h of walking meditation 3 times/d, just walking around in a park next to where I live so I wasn't really that isolated from the rest of humanity allthough I didn't really speak to anybody. In case you might be wondering, I had psychedelic trips before this one. I was actually doing psychedelics before I stumbled about Leo and the concept of personal developement. And over the last 5 years I had a couple of mushroom and salvia trips, one 25I-NBOMe experience and 3 AL-LAD trips prior to this one (100, 200 and 150µg). What I experienced: The actual retreat and practice itself was rather ordinairy. I had to go through some emotional work and purging to enter a state of great calmness and equanimity on day 3. To cultivate this internal peace helped a great deal with preparing me for day 5. The holotropic breathing also did a lot. I typically fall asleep soon after the breathing is over after a state of trance where most of the purging seems to happen for me. After waking up I alway feel so relieved. On the 5th day, I prepared everything for the actual trip. I sat down and said to myself: "I am ready to learn! Whatever may come, I am open and will accept it." Then I orally administrated the 300µg of AL-LAD and listened to some music for about 35min to help myself relax a little from a mild pre-trip anxiety. As I noticed it starting to take effect, I turned off the music and laid down on my bed. I started to see visual phenomenon and allowed myself to get fascinated by the patterns of the ceiling above me. I just let myself ooze into them and start to get absorbed. Everything got more and more intense and suddenly everything (my whole visual field, but also the inner world of mind and the fields of sound and touch) collapsed into one giant mosic like totality. And then, I suddenly realized what happened. I was no longer there. There was just infinite formlessness. I became Truth. I should note, that the experience was profoundly beautiful and profundly shocking at the same time! My human body just contorted in awe and horror. I felt every single emotion at the same time. I also noticed, that I started to hear sounds. High ringing type of sounds, that augmented the chirping of the birds outside and low drone like sounds, that seemed to be related to my breath Now the really profound thing was, that I seemed to be able to switch back and forth between this state of being absolute formless infinity and the state of being a contracted human form. This was immense! I experienced how I (absolute infinity) contract to create form, mind, relative reality, ego and suffering. I realized, that I am god and how I am constantly creating everything. I realized, that what most people call hallucinations or visuals on psychedelics are actually artefacts of how creation of form from fromlessness happens. They are just how absolute nothingness looks like when it creates reality. This switching back and forth produced enourmus insight and I was able to learn so much! It went on about 4-5h and then, I started to stay more and more in the domain of forms. As the trip became milder and taper off, I decided to take a long-ass walk because I wanted to be outside and in nature. It was so beautiful. My mind still was in this hyper-intelligent mode, that it seems to enter on AL-LAD and started to produce insight after insight, and it integrated all the theory and concepts about nonduality with the experience. The trip was about 8 to 9h long and I entered a nice afterglow, that lasted the whole next day, as I continued my retreat. I returned back to the state of great calmness, I had the days before the trip and the experience became more and more of a memory. I started to realize, that this glimpse won't be permanent. But the insights stayed with me. What I learned: I became Truth. I experienced, what I truely am. Everything is in perspective now. I learned how creation and existence work. I understood how I (the Big I, nothingness, god, infinity, formlessness...) contract to spit out all dualistic forms including my human form, the mind and reality. I also realized, how I have to create suffering and ego in order for this to happen. This was an profundly powerful and eye opening insight. It also showed me, how I (my human form) can literally not exist and be happy at the same time. For my body even to take a single breath, I have to create form and therefore suffering. And it made this whole issue of having to physically die to get enlightened very clear. Letting go completely litterally is the way, that I can return to nothingness. There can only be Truth or there can be creation and suffering. I understood every single contemplative practice, how each one works and in what way it is supposed to reveal Truth to you. Kriya, breathing, and all the different meditation techniques, Leo and Shinzen talk about make total sense now. I also learned how to meditate intuitively. The way Infinity came to me and the way, I had to let go sort of made a permanent imprind and I was able to recreate the way I focused my mind and surrenderd myself on the next day. It's basically a combination of open, choiceless awareness and a very deep surrender (simular to the do nothing technique). Leo's guided meditation video actually get's pretty close to it. Allthough I am not able to recreate the deep state I had on my trip, I can archive a calm and extremely peaceful no-mind kind of state that way. I learned how life purpose and spirituality work together. This became so clear to me by becoming infinity and seeing how reality comes into existence. Maintaining a minimal sense of self for this mammal, that I am to survive is best done by aligning myself more and more with the truth and with living an integrated purposeful life. I learned how the whole issue of authenticity and relating to other people is connected with spirituality. This was huge insight. The only way to relate to other beings without creating suffering is the way of utter vulnerability. Like if you literally would lay you naked body in the arms of another person, exhale your last breath and say: "You can have everything! My entire existence, it's yours!" This kind of surrender is the exact same surrender that is needed for enlightenment. I learned, that the biggest trap, I can now fall into is to cling to the memory of my awekening too much and to have too strong of a desire to recreate it. Whenever I am clinging to the memory, I am not surrendering to the Truth. What's next: More practice and more tripping. This experience of infinity I had is already fading and I see, how I have to do a LOT more work, to make it penetrate the core of my being more. I want to take my spiritual practice way more serius and I want to embody what I have learned. More theory. Even though I have studied quite a lot, I now feel like I needed the experinece to truly understand any of the theory. There is so much more to learn now. More life purpose work. I am curently building a life around being a musician and I want to do it in the way that is as alighned to Truth as possible. Having seen infinity made it increadibly clear to me how this has going to happen. Doing more for my body. I have seen what increadible miracle it is to have the form of a human being and I want to take care of this mammal that I am as best as I can. And allthough I have a pretty clean diet, I have all sorts of tense muscles in my back and consume quite a lot of caffeine. Getting more into fitness and exercising is inevitable right now. Working on truthful and authentic relating to others. I want to be able to open myself to others way more and to become a lot more honest. Tips and advice: Unlike Leo, I would advise you to have your first experience of Truth with AL-LAD rather than with 5MeO-DMT. I understand, that this is sort of personal, but if I would take the 20min of my trip, that where most intesne and imagined myself getting blasted into this state within a few seconds, I wouldn't have been able to let go so smoothly and I guess wouldn't have learned nearly as much.> Think of it this way: If you were trying to understand light, and you can choose between a lightbulb, which is nicely dimmed on and off again, and a single bolt of lightening, I guess for a first timer, the lightbulb is much more helpful. Probably my most important advice: Study the theory! If I wouldn't have been studying the theory of nonduality for the last couple of years I would literally have gotten nothing out of the experience. My mind wouldn't have been able to make sense out of anything. It would just have been some hallucination for me. Having concepts of what I was experiencing helped a great deal with recognizing it as absolute Truth and the way that AL-LAD makes your mind become this hyperintelligent wisdom machine worked greatly with that (which is another reason why I would recommend AL-LAD over 5MeO for a first time experience). On retreat, practice starts to take on at different dynamic on its own. Stuff comes up and it might be getting very hard to do some of the techniques as good as you would be able to do them in your daily practice. Don't judge yourself for that and don't judge your performance. Surrender to whatever happens and try not to get frustrated. The retreat is at play here and it will give you whatever you need to learn right now (sort of like a trip). Thinking in terms of good or bad retreats is not useful (recisely like thinking in terms of good or bad trips is not useful ). Solo retreats are perfect settings for breakthrough doses of psychedelics. If you are serious about experiencing Truth for the first time than this is definately one of the most recommended alternatives. If you're struggeling with this issue of life purpose vs. spirituality, consider psychedelics. For me they made the solution to this increadibly clear. They actually showed me, that there is no real difference between the two, especially, if you understand how your core values relate to Truth. Lastly: Remember, that letting go is the key! I am so greatful right now. Awakening is so powerfully life transforming and liberating. Thank all of you for walking this path together. I hope this report is helpful. If you have any questions, I am happy to answer.

You’re more aware now of the ego’s shenanigans like thinking about how everyone else feels - instead of continuing to realize the truth within you. Being aware is plenty. It weeds it out. Thoughts bubble up and just start mixin right in with all the others -so nip thoughts at the root, be aware there. If the end to suffering, enlightenment, and realization of nonduality are on the path... then thoughts about everyone else would be a magnicficent yet formidable trap, as it would generate much thinking, aimed without. You don’t have to say as much as it seems you think you should, that’s just the nature of the over thinking. It’s nothing, thoughts hold no power. You are the power. Or get a job as a dancer and bank off this...hidden people pleasing talent? You know I wish the best for you either way. ? Ideally we’d change everything about ourselves, our perspectives and our circumstances, just for the frame of reference in experience - the wiggling loose of the mind - and you’re aware there’s a hidden gift in every circumstance.

You’re already God, it’s the falsities that need surrendering, and the idea of “I” “me” (what @Faceless helps us zero in on ??) Not sure if you’ve heard what he’s saying yet. I didn’t post much at all for maybe 4-5 days a while back, because I did not understand him. I didn’t recall ever just flat out not understanding what someone was saying, and it bothered “me”. I read his posts many times and contemplated. When I did understand, I cried in pure joy for 2 days. Dropped a 50 pound mental weight - Lifesized relief. In hindsight, I think I skipped a no self stage of realization altogether on the path, through practices & psychadelics, experienced Being. But then “Integration” & “Embodiment” were a “problem”, because there was a concept of a me (self) as a filter, thus perpetually chasing such experiences. I had no awareness of the degree I was fooling my ‘self’. Hopefully that’s useful. There’s no Godly lifestyle, this “you” (idea) is judging this “you” idea, resulting in doubly overthinking, imo, leading to the numbness & resistance experienced when that idea of you gets what ‘it’ wants (vg’s, etc). When it get’s what it wants, that’s conditioning and it feels like poop. Could be a desire to be accepted & approved of, which reinforces “other”, which comes back to reinforce a false ‘self’, seperate from ‘other’. Contemplating & realizing could ‘break’ the loop, good ol’ fashioned sitting through it, doing nothing, ideally in nature. Years ago, I was on COD (Der Reise) nightly till 1am, eating crap, then sleeping poorly, thinking poorly, etc. A shroom trip introduction of nonduality (on a foundation), and I just haven’t been interested in picking it up since. Not sure if that’s helpful, hope so. Consider not referring to those hobbies as distractions. Rather, realize you are already doing exactly what you want. If that doesn’t feel good, a deeper realization of what you actually want to be doing is already on it’s way. ”Get rewarded for mastery”... The choice to love yourself is the reward. There is no future reward. Alignment. To care for The Temple is the greatest “reward” because it’s inherent love. It’s connection by default. Simply remembering what you are. Uncertainty which allows choice, is the greatest gift in the universe. Yes choice is an illusion, but the entire life is an illusion. You have that gift. You are that gift. A dream gift is great for a dream life. Whatever you want to call this, in which you can do that, is The Present, the gift. How precious is it? How precious is Life? Healthy activities - start small & easy. Subscribe to a health magazine. It’ll come every month, easy automatic inherent accountability / reminder, and it primes your environment if you leave them lying around. Subscribe to health oriented youtube channels, and daily and weekly emails from teachers of health and well being. Put posters and diagrams of healthy food in your kitchen. Someday, before you’ve eaten anything, put an orange in front of you, for an hour. Then eat it slowly and deliberately. You might remember how delicious nature & well being are. There is a direction of causation (albeit illusory).... Being...aware...thinking...sensing. Look at this in the reverse direction and the ridiculousness is apparent...you can’t visually see thinking, you can’t think awareness, and you can’t aware being. That’s just silly. So in contemplation, use this ‘direction’ to see where you’re unaligned. I really rambled on here, if not useful print it and use it for toilet paper. Godspeed! (Slow af)

@Saumaya You should go see what @Mikael89 wrote. Nonduality is radical in comparison with your societal brainwash, I know the friction you facing. But there are no shortcuts to enlightenment, you must go through closed doors so to speak and that hurts. I pointed out the time aspect in case of newbies read this thread, because on a surface level it look like my OP question implies time, which it doesn't an cetus, Nahm, Faceless etcetera know this, but others might not. This thread isn't about time, start a new thread if you like to discuss that. This thread is about how humans fail to use her brain in the right way that was given by God, and as a result God will wipe us out of the picture. (And yes, I know God is everything, even the humans, read between the lines)

True nonduality involves no time, no past associations, no perception, no experience. At the highest levels of enlightenment (from what I've heard), one can choose to partake in the dance of duality / time and tie their shoes, seeing the shoes as they are Now, completely present... or one can rest as The Absolute, which is beyond experience and incapable of being described. Awareness is limited. It has to exist and be aware. Your ultimate nature is beyond description, cannot be experience, described, intuited, etc. You can only let go of all identification (even open empty presence awareness), and drop all effort entirely, and be it. There is more to enlightenment than realizing you are aware of your bodymind, and not the bodymind itself... Where did the awareness come from?

@Arman i completely agree with you. i think a reason why me (and practically everyone on here) quite like Leo's approach to explaining this is because he does it in a non-bullshit, straight to the point, open to skeptism way. I noticed Faceless's way of explaining the concept of nonduality is through the use of something similar to riddles. However i dont think his points are wrong or anything, just that sometimes ( a lot of the times) when i dont understand, i feel like im dumb or inadequate to understand this lesson thats being presented to me. Sometimes i get frustrated when i ask him to elaborate but he doesnt answer the question directly, instead answers by the use of other riddles. Then again there is a great deal of myself projecting onto faceless's answers (my insecurity leading me to believe that im dumb since i dont understand or my somewhat lacking of self-worth jumping to conclusions that he is speaking is a condescending-im-more-spiritual-than-you kinda way). We are all here to learn. Peace Also just wondering @Mikael89 @Faceless @Outer @Anna1 have any of you actually experienced no-self, or "enlightenment". Not talking about the philosophical questioning that all is one, but actually feeling it, the infinite?

@Ether “Old boy” was the experiencer of nonduality. A concept of an individual. The character in time who convinced the audience it’s the actor. The filter of the present. The unseeable haze. The firmament to clarity. The lynch pin of the gateless gate. The ‘protector’ of actual reality. The invisible shield of fear. The offended, perturbed, and engaged when addressed as - my friend, buddy, and ‘old boy’. The seer of other and therefore, other. The owner of memories and desires. Old boy was a selfless half dead workhorse still running in it’s mind even as it was being put down, and of course, freed.

I wrote a blog post about this very thing - http://www.engagednonduality.com/what-does-we-are-all-one-really-mean/ My understanding is that you and I are literally not two. Not two is the direct meaning of nonduality.

This is a conceptualization and product of the “movement of thought” If you “the center” thought, is still in motion then oneness is an idea and nothing more. Unless the you “the movement of duality ends” the fact remains that the self as a divisive/dualistic entity is merely interpreting nonduality and not ending the actual movement of duality In oneself. If conciousness is full of its conditioned movement/content then “ONENESS” is an idea. Ideas don’t end the movement of duality. Actually Ending Duality does. Unless this is actual in oneself,LOVE is not.

The first and most important thing to realize is, that nonduality is NOT a concept. All concepts are dualistic by nature because lamnguage and symbols are dualistic by nature. Nonduality is not. This is why you have to have a direct experience in order to truly understand it. You have to become it. It's very helpful to have some understanding about the nature of insight. There is a great video interview series, that Leo did with Peter Ralston, that I highly recommend: https://vimeo.com/181710583 As far as books, also Ralstons material is great, and I also recommend the books of Andre Doshim Halaw. I love them, because they are very short and conscise and crystal clear. I also like Daniel Ingram and Shinzen Young very much. Especially Shinzen has some great descriptions of infinity. There is a great audio progam by him, called The Science of enlightenment. Also Leo's videos about the topic.

I'm currently struggling with this nonduality concept, what kind of material would you recommend?

nonduality is what it is always real. You are awareness. Awareness is another name for you. Since you are awareness, there is no need to attain o cultivate it. All you have to do is to give up the idea of being other than awareness.

The nondual is when the dualistic is not. Any attempt to capture by conceptualization and “description” that which is nondual is dualistic. If the dualistic mind is the fact in oneself, then nonduality is not.

@Spinoza here's an analogy. Spinoza is a wave, thinking it's a seperate volitional entity (a person), but it is a part of the ocean (the world), but both are none other then H2O/water (consciousness/awareness), appearing as the ocean and a wave. So, the person is really one with the world and the person and the world are nothing more then awareness/consciousness. Nonduality means, not two. So, the manifest and nonmanifest are one. Nisargadatta Maharaj — 'Wisdom tells me I am no-thing. Love tells me I am every-thing and between the two my life flows.'