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Some, maybe even most people can benefit from the right psychotropics taken at the right time in the right frame of mind, during the right period of one's serendipitous path of preliminary psychological de-constructivism but it is by no means necessary. We're lucky in this age, because it's relatively easy to try various drugs' effectiveness for initial entry into spiritual self-refinement— but perhaps it is too easy. Ultimately, it is a dead-end. Literally. Terrence McKenna, anyone? Brilliant, but dead. For all the good it does, the toll it takes on the psychological apparatus and the physical body is tremendous. So don't fool yourselves. It's like the spiritual quest itself in that regard, which is exemplified by an admonition in the Art of War stating that war is a serious drain on a country, and it is best to be fast and clumsy (in gaining the insight that drugs provide, like flashes in a night battle, of the lay of one's own psychological terrain). But ultimately, one must proceed alone, in the dark and without any artificial aid other than the grace one is fortunate enough to receive. The process has no shortcuts. It is crucial to neither lag behind or rush ahead in accomplishing the purpose of self-refinement itself, which only then with subsequent advance practice, results in a spontaneous event called seeing one's nature. What is the purpose of self-refinement? It is to refine away the errant human mentality. That is, the mind that thinks there is a person "progressing", "improving", and being "spiritual." Furthermore, in terms of the instantaneous realization one's nature— it does not confer buddhahood. Buddhahood is the working definition of "permanent stabilization of enlightening accord in reality." Sudden enlightenment is "planting the seed of buddhahood in the homeland of nothing whatsoever." Buddha said that nothing whatsoever is gained by complete perfect realization. "You" just see what has been aglow all along. It's you, but you're not it. There is no thing. Mind is selfless. There is no self. it's just the way it is, and no one knows why. So realize that at every stage, further refining practice is necessary. The first trip is short, in that the path resulting in sudden realization of the nature of your own mind as it is at this very moment is finite. The second trip is long, in that subsequent advance enlightening practice is endless. So in experiencing sudden enlightenment, it is selflessly awake experience. Nothing whatsoever is to be known. Why? There's no being. Awake, isn't the person that knows, or realizes that there is nothing to know. It's just your own mind right now that knows; that already knows. Deliberately employing drugs to sunder one's conditional illusion of absolute identity may be a fast-track, or may perhaps only be a diversion for most people from authentic practice. It's like, do you go to a sexy art-school (drugs) or do you just get in the trenches and do the work (self-refinement). Eventually, you will have to do the work. If you don't, you'll never come to see real potential, gather it in sufficiency over a long period of time and then subsequently, through no fault of your own, see essence and then return, to subsequently LEARN TO APPLY IT IN ORDINARY SITUATIONS. Does anyone know how ego invades such well-meant forays into bliss-inducing and supposed ego-sundering pill-popping? Well, it does and it's called spiritual materialism. It's a psychological mindset that convinces the individual that consuming such things is a thing in and of itself and that such things actually effect one's (false) identity by "improving" and "progressing" it, during which all this time these very thoughts of personal progress are defeating the true purpose of self refinement in the first stages, which is, for beginners, is to realize that ego-consciousness is only a wonderfully brilliant and truly mysterious function, not one's true identity; that enlightened consciousness, permanent or otherwise, is ALSO a function, in terms of human being; and that clinging to either aspects of human awareness is as delusional as the other. From personal experience, taking psychotropics for a "reason" reeks of spiritual materialism, relative to ego-aggradisement. But then again, you never know. As for permanent enlightenment, enlightenment just is. It has never moved. The point of spiritual accomplishment is in its subsequent application. Enlightenment is not a thing. An ancient admonishment for those with spiritual ambitions is to "see essence on your own, then seek a teacher." Moksha has a very good perspective on this aspect, as well as on that of suffering or affliction. Gautama buddha himself said that suffering was the very impetus for seeking liberation. Liberation from what? Liberation is not being subject to habit-consciousness. Open awareness is what, I believe flume was referring to when she commented on being permanently awake. I'm assuming her's was an attempt at levity. The truth is, stabilization of open consciousness is 24/7, and attaining such stability of awareness is a total immersion in enlightening potential. Sleep? You can sleep when you're dead, and you can dream when you're deluded. There are no dreams for the enlightened. The sleeping dreamworld is 24/7 for the most of us right now.. Moksha wrote: Don't forget, people, that awakening isn't a thing unto itself. Actually applying enlightenment to conditions is where refined psychological awareness has reverted to its original supportive role in effecting one's nonpsychological potential (enlightening activity) in the midst of delusional (karmic) evolution unbeknownst to anyone. There are no two minds. Mind is one. The two functions are seamless in terms of subtle spiritual adaption to conditions. ed note: add "when she commented on" in 7th paragraph; add last three sentences

Love this one by Rumi Gone to the Unseen At last you have departed and gone to the Unseen. What marvelous route did you take from this world? Beating your wings and feathers, you broke free from this cage. Rising up to the sky you attained the world of the soul. You were a prized falcon trapped by an Old Woman. Then you heard the drummer’s call and flew beyond space and time. As a lovesick nightingale, you flew among the owls. Then came the scent of the rosegarden and you flew off to meet the Rose. The wine of this fleeting world caused your head to ache. Finally you joined the tavern of Eternity. Like an arrow, you sped from the bow and went straight for the bull’s eye of bliss. This phantom world gave you false signs But you turned from the illusion and journeyed to the land of truth. You are now the Sun – what need have you for a crown? You have vanished from this world – what need have you to tie your robe? I’ve heard that you can barely see your soul. But why look at all? – yours is now the Soul of Souls! O heart, what a wonderful bird you are. Seeking divine heights, Flapping your wings, you smashed the pointed spears of your enemy. The flowers flee from Autumn, but not you – You are the fearless rose that grows amidst the freezing wind. Pouring down like the rain of heaven you fell upon the rooftop of this world. Then you ran in every direction and escaped through the drain spout . . . Now the words are over and the pain they bring is gone. Now you have gone to rest in the arms of the Beloved.

Sometimes, about 10% of the time after hitting a bowl of cannabis (sometimes while sober even) I’ll have segments of my crown light up with activity connected to my thoughts that feels like a slight tingle, it’s usually never a full circle or in the same place around my crown. But today I felt a full circle engagement. It didn’t engage all of my scalp but it was a complete circle around the the crown of my skull. A full engagement of the crown chakra feels like you’re wearing a light helmet with an actual crown upon your head. The thought today I remembered was the possibility to push through dimensions and create jewels from pushing up lint balls from carpet. An idea of a manifested power that I imagined once before would be a regular occurrence when I reached further enlightenment a year and a half ago as I was riding a fence of torment and pure bliss wrapped up in harder substances that I wouldn’t recommend but would speak highly of. This did still seem impossible at best today especially being that I don’t have the same carpet that would be used and my feet are on hardwood as I write this. Lol I seem to have a past with carpets now that I look at it objectively...

is it a stage/ state? like sadhguru getting those "trance", he said it was infrequent at first, but came at longer bursts...and then it became quite permanent so i won't need to be scared to lose it once i "get" it? sometimes i feel like deep insight/ realisation is something that can never be unseen...like something embedded deep into the memory of the body... god, it would be such a bliss to be able to experience that...

@clouffy Enlightenment is when you find something that was always there and was never not that way, and so, it can't really be called a "thing". It is not a state. It's like waking up from a dream. When you wake from a dream do you say: "I hope this new awakened state stays with me"..? Also, what if what you experienced during enlightenment wasn't bliss? Would you still know that you had awoken? Could you become enlightened without feeling bliss? Are you feeling bliss right now, but just not conscious of it? Is there somewhere in you right now that is in bliss? Is all of you not in bliss? How much of your being are you representing right now when you say "I am not in bliss.. I wish I could feel bliss"? Is the you that you call you qualified to say that you are not already in bliss? Would you be interested to contemplate these questions? Even if they didn't lead to bliss? I just thought of another indicator.. Enlightenment is when you have no doubt that God exists. When God "is" before you had an opinion about it. Peace dude, Lenny

Yes, it's heaven/paradise. Because it's Absolute Perfection/Goodness/bliss.

The only thing which is eternal and constant is change itself Guess that could mean an ever-worsening suffering But Change can also mean a turn around and towards bliss Change is unchanging Rest goes on changing. Nothing eternal/fixed.

@Elvaxorn consider what you call eternal as endless and suffering as going in the wrong direction you're in a car that has infinite fuel and you have infinite life and you're on an infinite road so one can keep on driving in the wrong direction to no end. the road will go on, the car goes on and you go on - eternal suffering yet there's the option for a u-turn you can take a u-turn anytime and start driving in the right direction and that will be eternal bliss so it is eternal in a sense that it CAN BE eternal until one chooses to correct themselves. and there's always better late than never. there's no missing the chance, because endless road, endless time.

Keep in mind though no place has meaning , no object has meaning, the only way something could be hell or something could be heaven is by you deciding it to be. Your the one who choses what’s bliss and what’s suffering WOULDNT this be eternal suffering if you were a sex slave right now? It’s all perspective. The place or realm has nothing to do with it .

The Pursuit of Peace and Happiness The conflict is within me. The world is within me. A seemingly mechanised part of me is striving for survival, while a more subtle but very much observant part of me longs for something deeper and more fulfilling. It is clear to me that whatever it is that I yearn must be a feeling, simply because I no longer want to feel the way I feel now. It's not emotional this feeling, I've tried using substances to rid myself of this feeling but even in my euphoria the longing is surprisingly piercing. At this point it becomes obvious that although one may be able to trick the brain into feeling ecstatic using recreational drugs, the heart won't, in even the slightest bit, be fooled. I've always suspected that the heart isn't just biological in its nature, but that it's a spiritual organ as well. I think this is why people who resort to substance abuse can never satisfy the void that is in their hearts, and even in their extreme highs there remains the feeling of the deep soul piercing emptiness inside. The soul yearns for fulfillment. The world is in me, or rather the world is me. I know that this is so because there has never been a moment where I am without the world and the world without me. All perception and experience is one, singular, being. But for the sake of my survival the mind makes it appear otherwise, so much so that what the observant part of me sees isn't what my biology and psychology believes. Or else I would be happy right now, but I'm not because I believe that I am lacking. This is very sad. Because this is not a problem of the world or reality, it is a problem of identity. I know I can be happier than this and be at peace with everything, because I've experienced it before - once. A moment of bliss, purely, or at least seemingly, accidental. During that moment, even in my irritation I was happy, I believe that was a taste of Devine Love. And that happened before I even got into consciousness work. That is very significant to me because for most of my life, growing up in a society marked by and driven by consumerism, I was made to believe that a feeling like that can only be attained through wealth and romance. And now I now that that's not the case because on that day, in that moment I was blessed by something completely outside of my perception, and I got to experience utter bliss. I was somewhere in my mid teens when that happened. This is very sad, but inspiring as well. I know that I don't have to accomplish anything to be that happy again, at least not in the conventional sense.

@Karmadhi So far just whatever girl pops up in the wild lol. But I'm not really an experienced pickup artist who's a lot of cold approaches or anything. For that kind of stuff there are other guys on the forum including Leo who have done a lot of cold approaches that you can question. I just understand to a certain extent the psychological dynamics and agendas of both sexes. Believe it or not it is possible to understand how the world looks through the eyes of a woman lol. Other than socializing more with women more an all of that stuff, I think your main focus should be consciousness work. Consciousness is the number one thing you should be pursuing in life if you want to live life to the fullest with or without a woman. Becoming significantly better with women is peanuts compared to the rest of the long term benefits becoming more conscious has on your life. Aside from making you a stronger man and 1000 times more attractive to women, it leads to better physical health, joy, bliss, better relationships, better internal clarity, helps you conquer fear, more love for life, makes you more authentic and less needy, etc. I can go on and on with the benefits but I just need to tell you enough to get you on the spiritual hype train. There are many methods to become more conscious like meditation, kriya yoga, self inquiry, contemplation, concentration, psychedelics, meditation retreats etc. I recommend you research these techniques in books, videos, courses etc and start taking notes and doing them precisely. Once you get a decent taste of the results. You won't stop lol. It's difficult inner work but extremely rewarding. Leo has many videos on his channel about many techniques for raising your consciousness as well and has many useful books on his book list that have helped me a lot. The book I started out with when I first started meditating is A Million Thoughts By Om Swami.

I became enlightened with the following process. Keep doing as mentioned below and in a process you will feel joyful, blissful and ultimately become enlightened Being purified by his intelligence and controlling the mind with determination giving up the objects of sense gratification being freed from attachment and hatred one who lives in a secluded place who eats little who controls his body mind and power of speech who is always in trance who is detached, free from false ego, false strength, false pride, lust, anger, and acceptance of material things, free from false proprietorship, and peaceful —such a person is certainly elevated to the highest position and remains in Bliss, Paramanand forever. Once you do above in totality, in a process you suddenly start feeling joy within which keeps growing for longer and longer time. From here everything happens automatically and you remain in Bliss.

Keep doing as mentioned below and in a process you will feel joyful, blissful and ultimately become enlightened Being purified by his intelligence and controlling the mind with determination giving up the objects of sense gratification being freed from attachment and hatred one who lives in a secluded place who eats little who controls his body mind and power of speech who is always in trance who is detached, free from false ego, false strength, false pride, lust, anger, and acceptance of material things, free from false proprietorship, and peaceful —such a person is certainly elevated to the highest position and remains in Bliss, Paramanand forever. Once you do above in totality, in a process you suddenly start feeling joy within which keeps growing for longer and longer time. From here everything happens automatically and you remain in Bliss.

Use of Psychedelics for Self Realization may make 95% of the people addict. The proper way is as follow: Keep doing as mentioned below and in a process you will feel joyful, blissful and ultimately become enlightened and attain moksh Being purified by his intelligence and controlling the mind with determination giving up the objects of sense gratification being freed from attachment and hatred one who lives in a secluded place who eats little who controls his body mind and power of speech who is always in trance who is detached, free from false ego, false strength, false pride, lust, anger, and acceptance of material things, free from false proprietorship, and peaceful —such a person is certainly elevated to the highest position and remains in Bliss, Paramanand forever. Once you do above in totality, in a process you suddenly start feeling joy within which keeps growing for longer and longer time. From here everything happens automatically and you remain in Bliss.

One is inherent in the other and are not separate. In the full or complete acceptance of "what is", in the always 'here/now' moment,there's simultaneously the full or complete surrender, to "what is", in this always here/now moment. Letting go,acceptance.surrender etc, are all synonymous. In the complete letting go,acceptance or surrender to whatever is, in that moment,there is also the "dropping back", and/or, "return" to the essential nature of our Being that is peace,love,joy. Also known as "bliss".

Certainly. My point was that you could potentially lose interest in psychology altogether after an awakening. But it seems you have a good grasp of your purpose. Follow your bliss, or you'll regret it 70 years from now. Godspeed!

@Conceptually-made Helping & healing people is a great intention. Good for ya. Just something to ponder on: Have you had any nondual/mystical experiences yet? This could be a game changer for you. I believed I was interested in philosophy and psychology until I had my first real-time awakenings. Then I realized those academic fields were merely wagons carrying me to what I love & that I don't really give a damn about conceptual theorizing and studying endless closed-minded attitudes. Instead, I found bliss in exploring consciousness 'out (t)here'. Consider it.

Keep doing as mentioned below and in a process you will feel joyful, blissful and ultimately become enlightened and attain moksh Being purified by his intelligence and controlling the mind with determination giving up the objects of sense gratification being freed from attachment and hatred one who lives in a secluded place who eats little who controls his body mind and power of speech who is always in trance who is detached, free from false ego, false strength, false pride, lust, anger, and acceptance of material things, free from false proprietorship, and peaceful —such a person is certainly elevated to the highest position and remains in Bliss, Paramanand forever. Once you do above in totality, in a process you suddenly start feeling joy within which keeps growing for longer and longer time. From here everything happens automatically and you remain in Bliss.

For ego specific individual friends may be required. For Self Realized every one who comes in contact is friend. After experiencing bliss, I have spent 10 years alone in my room in last 20 years but never felt lonely or need of anyone to communicate.

Hi guys for the past month or 2 whenever i sleep i feel a bliss that radiates everywhere and dissolving and then after a few hours i wake up feeling overly energised and can't get back to sleep. If i take melatonin to go back to sleep ill wake up again in another hour or 2. This is a considerable health risk because lack of sleep is disruptive to your daily activities, and in the long term. I feel energised when i wake up but this whole thing is causing very bad fatigue throughout the day. Doctors are fucked on the issue. Any help would be appreciated thanks.

that's a good point. It was happening prior to the melatonin. Michael569 has some siddhis or something because 2-3 weeks ago I was getting very big spikes of adrenaline unhealthily often (clinically found) due to a psychospiritual phenomena. So it could be related to adrenaline. Diet I don't think is the problem because I've had a keto diet for ages now and this problem has only started happening now. I think adrenaline reduction tablets may be a good temporary fix until a deeper solution arises. I already have valium because the doctor gave it to me before due to the issue a few weeks ago but I don't want to use it that much. @integral thanks for the advice, in hindsight I came across as a bit of a smart ass because people usually aim for bliss which I forgot. Yes bliss is very good, but disruption from fatigue and lack of concentration from lack of sleep isn't good. In the past (from 2 yrs ago to a week ago) I use to eat like 2-4 chicken breasts a day, so got heaps of protein. Unfortunately that had 0 effect on whats going on.

been meditating for ages I do what the cool dudes adviata vedanta people do and meditate/contemplate 24/7 jks. I meditate all the time, but contemplate whenever I feel like it which is usually maybe 1-3 hours a day. excellent idea sure am, 20 carbs or less for the last 2 years woop woop (not advocating people do this, it can be unhealthy from a certain perspective, even though it works wonders for me). There's actually a bliss energy all the time, and it just gets much bigger at night, never thought it could be adrenaline or catecholamine from the low carbs. Nice. ketones keeping me up at night, im gonna tell all my low carb friends to show off A very informative video on why you should eat a keto diet:

I finally have positive news. After months of suicidal thoughts and depression, i made progress with meditation. I realized on the LSD trips, i was able to peak because of i changed my thoughts in response to the high and I felt more deeply then I do when i'm sober. The LSD forced me to feel deeply, and so i had to let go of thoughts like judgment, worry of past and future, and even thoughts related to who I am and the self. It's like the LSD allowed to get through a series of walls in my psyche, resulting in the breakthrough to a connection I've never felt with myself and the world, and literaly bliss flowing into me. I realized I can do all that while sober, it's just a little more difficult because I don't have the LSD heightening my feeling states. I can sit and meditate, and just feel what's there, I never did this before. I was always "trying" to meditate, and would either get frustrated and stop, or just power the session thinking i accomplished something. II realized i'll never get to connection and bliss through thinking and strategizing. It's literally as simple as sitting/laying down... feeling whatever arises and staying with those sensations and breathing into them. You have to surrender everything to your feeling. I haven't got to the same state I achieved through LSD, but i've gotten closer than i've ever gotten with this method. I even got close to full on tears. I found that the more I was able to relax and the deeper I was into the feelings and sensations, the easier it was to get close to crying. I don't know if this will last, i may end up suicidal again tmrw who knows, but this the closest i've gotten to reaching the peak i've been craving since my breakthrough trip in February.

No expectation, no chatter. No expectation means no fear, no chatter. If no chatter, you are in field of creator, the nature of creator is bliss, so you experience bliss. Truth is you are creator and part of infinite wealth, energy, intelligence, you need nothing, you have everything what is needed, so no expectation i.e. automatically no chatter. Abide in Truth, leave body, mind, intellect. From last 25 years, I am living with truth i.e. always in bliss, no chattering, no thought, no analysis, no doing. To transform abide with creator, continuously for 24/7 for 15 days. Keep doing as mentioned below and in a process you will feel joyful, blissful and ultimately become enlightened and attain moksh Being purified by his intelligence and controlling the mind with determination giving up the objects of sense gratification being freed from attachment and hatred one who lives in a secluded place who eats little who controls his body mind and power of speech who is always in trance who is detached, free from false ego, false strength, false pride, lust, anger, and acceptance of material things, free from false proprietorship, and peaceful —such a person is certainly elevated to the highest position and remains in Bliss, Paramanand forever. Once you do above in totality, in a process you suddenly start feeling joy within which keeps growing for longer and longer time. From here everything happens automatically and you remain in Bliss.

Do following and see the truth right now. Truth is here, right now. If you abide to reality, you can realize truth now within 1 minute. Keep doing as mentioned below and in a process you will feel joyful, blissful and ultimately become enlightened Being purified by his intelligence and controlling the mind with determination giving up the objects of sense gratification being freed from attachment and hatred one who lives in a secluded place who eats little who controls his body mind and power of speech who is always in trance who is detached, free from false ego, false strength, false pride, lust, anger, and acceptance of material things, free from false proprietorship, and peaceful —such a person is certainly elevated to the highest position and remains in Bliss, Paramanand forever. Once you do above in totality, in a process you suddenly start feeling joy within which keeps growing for longer and longer time. From here everything happens automatically and you remain in Bliss. Change your life style, implement above 100% for 15 days, you don't need anything from outside.