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Amazing, thanks for sharing 🖤 I’m in a similar place - thoughts of suicide enter my mind, lethargic, everything feels so meaningless and I’m doubting my sense of control. I’m also depressed/angry since if this is all God’s will then wtf is he doing - my life sucks. Or does my life suck because I’m not one with the Divine Flow since I’m not listening to Guidance? I also feel like perhaps I should do psychedelics, surrender and just listen to Guidance, but I also feel fear arising just from this thought, I guess it’s threatening to the ego. Suicidal ideation is interesting — it seems like it could cause some sort of a breaking point — like fuck it — life sucks anyway, what will I lose if I try something else, nothing I’ve done up until now worked anyway.

disclaimer: OK..I've started a thread about suicide yesterday but it got locked because some mod thought it might be dangerous to say this to people here who might be having trouble living in the world . So please understand I'm not advocating suicide or urging anyone to commit suicide. This is just my thoughts on the subject . So I said In that post : the idea that i could be trapped or forced in a situation against my will with no way out is one of the more truly horrifying things that i try not to think about. certainly the ability to "will myself dead" with no way for anyone else to stop it, would give me a certain comfort. I'm a proponent of the right to death idea. I have an agreement with myself if I become terminally ill I would exit on my own terms. You gotta really think why is death and suicide considered bad or wrong ? It's only because of social brainwashing . Life is not always better than death . Sometimes the suffering can be really intolerable. I've actually made peace with the idea of suicide and that's the only reason I no longer fear death .

@Leo Gura You are like a child in how you evaluate this. You move from one extreme to another. You advocate for the death penalty to bring "seriousness" back to society, as if that was not a completely and utterly bonkers and absurd position. And now you speak about weed as if you don't understand the basic mechanics of social evolution. Yes, weed can be harmful. Alcohol can be harmful, casual sex can be harmful. Video games can be harmful. But what is more harmful and stunts social growth entirely is irrational stigma and criminalization. That ruins lifes as well. The lack of empathy it requires makes society worse on a systemic and wholistic level. Every new freedom is abused, every new responsibility must be recognized. And this takes time. It takes education and the creation of systems which account for these new freedoms and risks. The problem is not that weed isn't stigmatized and criminalized. That ruins lives as well. Look at South Korea, a society in which celebreties commit suicide because they get collectively bullied after having been caught smoking a joint. That is barbaric and speaks of a deeply sick and dysfunctional society (which in the case of South Korea, you can see manifest in various forms). The solution here is to not trivialize the risks and have a mature view of these sorts of things. Over time society tends to adapt to new freedoms. But yes, when you do give individuals new freedom, there will be a period of mistake-making and elevated harm. Which does not mean that in the long run, society will not adapt and grow because of this. Remember, in the end freedom is what leads to evolution. If the government just says "You can't do this period" there is no need for growth. Growth is necessary the moment you are given a freedom that will come with consequences if you abuse it, or fail to recognize your responsibility. The suffering that will come from that will lead the growth necessary to develop a higher order of autonomous and conscious thinking. It is the difference between a society which disciplines its citizens, and a society which grows individuals who learn to self-discipline. One is clearly more evolved than the other. The question is, as is the case with a child, how mature is your society in relation to the freedoms it can be granted? Some freedom is necessary for growth, too much freedom at once, given lack of development, can lead to devastation, obviously. But in the case of weed, this is not the case. Many people will suffer, and then many people will learn, and we will have become more mature as a society as a result. No longer will rigid authority be required, and instead consciousness can make decisions autonomously. Looking at the video, it should be very obvious that this is a problem of mentally ill people not being taken care of at all. The systemic problem here is far deeper than just drugs, even though drugs seem to make it obviously worse. (although that might be arguable given that these individuals might feel like their lifes would be even more unlivable without them) You clearly have individuals whose lifes and minds are just utter misery. They have nothing to live for, nobody who cares about them. Just in the video many of them said they specifically came to Oregon because it became decriminalized there. You won't resolve the issue by criminalizing drugs, you will just make it less visible. The fundamental problem is Leo, that you seem to have a difficult time engaging with these sorts of social topics in general because you basically lack empathy entirely. This is evident in almost every social issue I have seen you deal with, including conversations you had with others, interviews, your dating strategies, how you dealt with things like suicide in the community, ethics in general and various other discussions about social policies. You have a hyperintellectual approach that is exceptionally self-centered. Disorder to you is disgusting, pathetic and a nuisance. This is even evident in the post on the blog, in which you say you personally never engage in weed recreationally, nor alcohol, and therefore nobody should and it's basically evil and probably should be criminalized. It comes at no cost to you, of course, so it's easy to simply say that individuals should be imprisoned amd stigmatized for owning something like weed. You don't care about personal freedoms in a fundamental sense, and lack foundational empathy for humans and animals, and their individuality, because you are stuck in your identity that revolves around higher consciousness and spiral development, much of which seems to be fueled by a sort of narcissism you seem to be unaware of. I will repeat these points because I do think you have a significantly negative impact on some individuals precisely because of your lack of awareness thereof.

It was the grandest party one could ever hold, with vibrant colors dancing around, shapes morphing delightfully, divine music reverberating throughout, and pleasant aromas lingering in the air. The birth of the Universe, a true celebration of Being. But the real gold came afterwards. As a mystic you have to love not just attending the festivities, but also cleaning up. There was silence, and in that silence Truth revealed itself, like Yahweh to Moses. 'To be' is the only verb that does not require duality, I AM is the bedrock beyond which you cannot go, try as you might. The intensity has left me bedridden for a day and severely debilitated for another few. First, a few words about Will. The Will of God is for all its parts to be sovereign unto themselves. The Will is completely surrendered to that end. God is entirely selfless because it is every self. Want to know God's Will? Look around and look at yourself. Together with Truth and Love it forms the Holy Trinity. Nothing can ever go against God's Will, doing so would be impeding God's self-expression. Will is so absolute that God itself can't alter it, even if it breaks God's heart sometimes. It's a Love so complete that even though it accepts itself fully, there are parts that do not, there's hate and there's desire for things to happen differently, aka bias, but the larger Love includes all that. God is such a being that by virtue of existing it casts this shadow upon itself. In a Newtonian sort of way it creates an opposite reaction to itself, some might call that the Devil. Hence nihilism, suicide, suffering. Still, a call for true Goodness is within everything, just that if you don't recognize it you'll be like a compass that doesn't understand why it's pointing north. Can't spell compassion without compass by the way. Another implication is that relative things are also absolutes. Violence is an absolute, because it Is. To ask God for there to not be violence is to ask God to not be itself. Absolute Bad is not a thing, there's only Absolute Good, existence itself. Absolute Bad would be the absence of anything; no God, not even the possibility for there to be good or bad or an experience for you to judge things as such. How come nothing in the world changed even though I went through the creation of the Universe? Because it wasn't a new event per se, I simply became conscious of what already Is. Consciousness has a bottomless capacity for self-obfuscation, that's really all that's happening here. How God inquires into and inscribes itself into Being is the mystery of mysteries. One could conceive of it as a very high level bureaucracy, where the inefficiencies are not flaws, they're tools to set the rhythm. With each awakening you're getting infinity, but only the part of Infinity that you can presently handle. The rest remains obscured. Your understanding may be infinite yet still partial. Think of it like zooming into a Mandelbrot set, frame by frame. You think you have the whole picture, and in a way you do, but you haven't yet put together that the frames are part of a larger thing. When you do, maybe you start perceiving it as a continuous video stream, but of limited duration, because perhaps the software you're playing it with can't display infinity, it only deals with unsigned integer values and then cuts off or loops. This is in equal part a warning and inspiration. Know that there's ever greater depths, but don't overreach. Ignorance is God’s gift and God’s mercy. If you knew the fullness of what you are, you’d die on the spot. Be as grateful for what you're denied as for what you're given. If you told me just a week ago such an experience was possible I wouldn't have believed it, despite a vast array of prior ones. As it turns out, not even intuition combined with experience can correctly grasp true Infinity. How does one go deeper? Up to you, but if I may give a tip, learn to get very comfortable with paradox, in particular the identity of Multiplicity and Unity. This was an exploration of Multiplicity so full it looped around on itself into the Oneness of I AM, as it always beautifully does. Relative and provisional human knowledge is crucial. Study natural sciences, sociology, politics, programming, geography, mathematics, laws, psychology, languages, economics... if nothing else they'll be useful anyhow, but seeing God in all of it is what will enable the most intuitive understanding and unending passion. For instance, I've had brushes with dimensions where consciousness is cultivated and traded as liquid in vials, a property register of consciousness, an inverse of consciousness, something I call hole consciousness, and many more. It's topology of Consciousness. These are inaccessible with your regular nonduality or even God Realization. They're utterly alien, but counterintuitively reaching them has its roots in human knowledge. Know that frustrations, misunderstandings, periods where you seem lost and unable to get through to anyone are the laying of the foundation that will allow moving to the next level. I've gone through a rough few weeks that culminated in this, and I wouldn't have been able to take it without that. The slow erosion of ego prepares you for a smoother ego death. It may look like the effort isn't amounting to anything, but that is not the case. You are being observed. Think about that. Being is observing itself. God—you as a sovereign—is the only witness that matters. I've also gained a new perspective on stage Blue values like law and order. In the legal system, the most sacred principle is public faith. Nihil prius fide. Without this common consensus, not much of anything could be achieved, people delegate their authority and put their trust in a certain institution, such as notariate. Similarly, in sworn testimonies, God is often invoked as the witness and guarantor of truth. It is also said in certain interpretations of law that silence is acceptance. Qui tacet consentire videtur. And so it is with God. God's silence is the acceptance of whatever is occurring. Reality is here, as it is willed. If it were not willed, it wouldn’t be. It's the supreme consent of Love. There is Law to the workings of God, one that is currently beyond anyone's grasp. Models like Spiral Dynamics reflect certain aspects of God in their limited capacity. Beige survival. Red power. Blue law. Orange reason. Green love. Which is why you can't build your tower to heaven without a solid foundation of all those stages. If you're stuck, there's most likely a shadow of one or more stages, however faint, that blocks upward movement. God halts the process out of care, to prevent the collapse of the entire structure. Meditation is torture because you can't handle the silence, it becomes a mirror in which you start seeing all of yourself and that's terrifying. Or it's simply terribly boring. But once you know what that silence is, how it's a quiet gift from God, sustaining all of reality while asking for nothing in return, enabling you to think your silly thoughts and do your selfish deeds, you'll appreciate it. I can finally rest in peace in that silence. Had to seriously consider for a time whether I should ever speak at all after this, because in a way anything I could say or do would just be a distraction that would diminish my consciousness of God. But alas my work is not done yet so I remain. However I now understand some of those sages that just go live out the rest of their days meditating in a cave. It's a life changing experience like no other, a milestone on the spiritual path that splits it into a before and after. These are few and far between. I've also had to rethink how I speak, the weight of the words I use, the consequences of my actions. Still figuring that out. Whatever you do, stay aware that all roads lead to God, that is the ontological fact of I AM and the highest joy. That is all.

This is serious to me and I need clarity Thankyou and please I do t K ow who else to get the answer from but - say when I die either some accident, naturally or a person commits suicide out of despair ... Does the energy you die with then magnify by millions or billions into the the supposed otherside ... Or would I as the godhead dreaming awaken to the white light no matter what ... Like is the information in spiritual teachings which warn that if I die say negative vibrational frequency energy will that only magnify to the other side but if a person dies peaceful then that magnifies or is this idea a frightening one part of the godhead dreaming as like game guardrails to stop it from waking up and ending the dream so easily - please answer especially Leo if possible since I trust Leo's spiritual awakenings as some of the few I can rarely if chance to reach out for a direct answers please and thank you because if it is true I could essentially be a trapped lonely dreamer godhead who then magnifies something on the otherside

I understand that when you refer to “hell,” you’re describing a state of internal suffering—a kind of separation from peace, presence, or alignment with one’s true self. And yes, many people who live with dysphoria or identity conflict can absolutely experience that kind of existential distress. But it’s important to consider that for many transgender individuals, especially youth, that state of disconnection is present before they receive medical intervention—not because of it. Puberty blockers are prescribed to create space for alignment: to pause the distress of a body changing in the wrong direction and allow a more integrated sense of self to emerge. The side effects you listed aren’t being ignored—but without proper context, they can be misleading. When used appropriately and under medical supervision, these treatments often lessen the kind of suffering you’re describing, not increase it. Several studies support this: • Turban et al. (2020, Pediatrics): Transgender adults who accessed puberty blockers during adolescence had significantly lower odds of suicidal ideation. • de Vries et al. (2014, Pediatrics): Adolescents who received blockers and later gender-affirming care showed psychological functioning equal to or better than peers in the general population. • The Trevor Project (2022): Trans youth who received gender-affirming care—including blockers—reported lower rates of depression and suicide attempts. So if we’re talking about “hell” as a metaphor for psychological or spiritual disconnection, then we also have to talk about what brings people out of that state. For some, it’s presence. For others, it’s healing. For many trans youth, it’s the ability to have their inner self seen, respected, and aligned with the body they live in. Denying that path often prolongs disconnection and suffering—not the treatment itself. I’m sorry, but what you’ve said here is, in places, incorrect and out of context. The side effects you’ve listed are not common and generally only occur when blockers are used improperly or without oversight. Blockers have been safely used for decades to treat children with precocious puberty, and the outcomes have been overwhelmingly positive and beneficial. It’s no different for trans youth when properly managed. This fear-based narrative around blockers was started by people who don’t understand the treatment or the condition. In the clinic I attended, DEXA scans were mandatory, and among 200 patients, only those over 40 showed any signs of bone density reduction. In my own case, my bone density increased after starting hormone therapy tailored to my specific needs. Yes, the injections hurt—but that’s the nature of my condition. I can’t produce the necessary hormones, and I need them to maintain my health. That’s not suffering. I could experience physical pain and still not suffer. Suffering, in the deeper sense, is mental anguish—a state of resistance or disconnection from reality. Pain and suffering are not the same, and it’s important to distinguish between physical sensations and emotional resistance. While some of the points you listed do reflect possible experiences, many are taken out of context, and others are simply incorrect: • Hot flashes don’t occur in children starting blockers at puberty onset. • Mood changes in children most often involve reduced anxiety, not increased distress. • Fatigue is typically circumstantial and varies per individual—it is not a common or inherent effect of blockers. • Headaches are a side effect of almost every medication, and often stem from stress, not the drug itself. • Weight changes don’t happen with blockers—they occur with hormone replacement, as natural fat and muscle redistribution takes place. That’s biology, not a side effect. • Injection pain is common with any injectable medication—even saline. It’s not unique to blockers. • Delayed growth is the intended effect—it’s what blockers are designed to do. • Fertility concerns are misunderstood—many people with gender disorders already experience compromised fertility. And not everyone wants, can, or needs to reproduce. • Sexual dysfunction is irrelevant in prepubescent individuals who are not sexually active. In adults, the condition itself—not the treatment—is often the source of dysfunction. Blockers are primarily used to reduce distress and anxiety in trans youth by buying time to make informed decisions about their future. As mentioned in earlier comments, they are rarely prescribed for more than two years. The effects you described largely pertain to adults, especially male-to-female trans people post-puberty, who may use blockers or anti-androgens to safely initiate HRT. For these individuals, suppressing androgens is a necessary step to prevent adverse cardiovascular events. Some of what you described as “negative side effects” are, in fact, the desired and therapeutic outcomes of treatment. Calling those “side effects” is like calling reduced inflammation a side effect of ibuprofen. This isn’t about ignoring suffering—it’s about treating it at the root, with compassion, informed choice, and the tools that bring people back into harmony with themselves. You seem to be greatly misinformed. when you look up information like this, remember, you are not an expert and can take it completely out of context. Be careful what way you see and use your information and it’s always a good idea to cross reference it against someone’s direct experience of it. I can do that for you and if you read my other responses you will see I am not suffering.

I appreciate you trying to help, but honestly, none of these answers touch what I’m actually facing. I’m not just scared of “death.” I’m not just scared of “the unknown.” I’m trapped inside a nightmare. I’m trapped inside unbearable, existential pain, sexual agony, loneliness, fading youth, aging, and the rotting of my dreams — and now I realize that even suicide might not be a clean escape because of the way energy could magnify and trap me further. I’m not asking for reassurance. I’m not asking for Alan Watts quotes or advice to "accept the suffering." I’m telling you that I’m standing inside a living hell where even the exit doors are rigged. Every fiber of me is screaming for release, but I also realize that if I die soaking in despair, hatred, and fear, I risk carrying that energy with me into whatever comes next. That’s not something you fix by "surfing the waves" or "grounding yourself." That’s not something a YouTube talk can dissolve. This isn’t fear of death. It’s terror at being trapped alive in my own unhealed energy for eternity. And no amount of poetic ideas about "being the ocean in a drop" touches that. I don’t want to "cope" with this existence. I want to wake the fuck up from it. But right now, it feels like every direction — living, dying, staying, leaving — leads to the same nightmare just folding over itself endlessly. If you don’t know how to answer that, that’s fine. But at least hear me clearly. I’m not looking for soft spiritual answers. I’m looking for a way to survive knowing there might be no clean escape — and still not completely collapse into despair.

If perfect is perfect, why treat high testosterone at all? Even with these "fixes" there is still such a high suicide rate and drug abuse among trans. This is where the shoe pinches.

If is a guardrail feature i dont know but zI know is working, because even after many trips I still dont like the ideia of ending the dream by suicide. Maybe the Curiosity in me is bigger than the drive to end all. Yes, this dream can be a hell scape sometimes, but once you start enjoying the study of your own inteligence, and even the Trickster God is, then you fall in love for exploring this Game like was you would he playing the most advanced video game ever. Yes is hard sometimes. But no. When the reset button comes it comes. Keep playing till you unravel the whole thread of Infinity.

I smoked weed once at 21 and I stopped sleeping for 2 years from intense hallucinations and thousands of voices in my head. Devastating sleep deprivation of the highest level. I woke up every day on the verge of suicide for 8 years before I figured out how to resolve it and start sleeping again. It took about 4 years after that for my brain to rebuild itself back to a normal state. Weed is serious and can permanently alter how your brain functions from just 1 use.

@D2sage idk man I'm guessing all this "steam " You're blowing out of your chest against porn comes from a negative experience with porn earlier in your life .like you were addicted to the point you were about to suicide yourself or something and then you had an explosive awakening that you must stop this habit or else you gonna screw your whole life away straight to hell . Between me and you it's fine to wank It to some hot clips every once In a while ..its not like it does actually matter On the grand scheme of things or the most "zoomed out " perspective possible. Don't you think so ?

Just so we're clear here. @Twentyfirst @Breakingthewall You're advocating against treatment that prevents suffering, and suicide even, without you ever doing any research on this subject. You're advocating for people to be harmed.

Some castrated themselves. Suicide happened as well. Most transgender today don't get surgery, by the way. And plenty of non-transgender people take hormone blockers, Puberty blockers have been used for decades in cisgender kids who either are going through puberty too early, or, in some instances, kids who are going through puberty very quickly. They also didn't use any other kind of modern medicine, I'm sure you're opposed to vaccines and cancer treatment too right?

I think high quality men and women is definitely a murky terminology, that brings the halo effect into it, or the opposite of halo effect. And people get all mentally confused. But I think in general the regular talk you can do that is politically correct of good men and woman is ETHICS/MORAL (How ethically Good are they as a person, a citizen, a father figure, a figure in their community, etc.). It doesn't include attractiveness, attractiveness or lack of it is generally politically incorrect to talk about. --- Like, I had some neurosis some time ago, and I had this weird thought experiment: Some girl that I loved, FELT TO ME, too attractive for me (I was having some low self-esteem thoughts), and thought that I had to tell her she was too beautiful for a guy like me... But what would she do? She was in love with me. Would she just introduce me to one of her less attractive friends? 😂 "Hey darling... So I know you love me, but you're too high value for a low value (average looking and broke) guy like me. I think I need to be with a lower value, less attractive woman instead. Maybe you introduce me to an ugly friend of yours, or maybe I wait until you gain a lot of weight or until you're old as heck" If I told this to her, this would be basically suicide of the relationship LMAO. It is so politically incorrect in so many ways, yet it is somehow too true in some ways. But at the same time, it is absolutely against my personal interests, it's an absolutely bomb of self-destruction that does nothing good. Or maybe I can do the opposite, if she said she was too pretty for me, I could say: Don't worry, I will wait for the inevitable decay of your beauty, and my inevitable gain in status and success so we can met each other half-way. --- There is a book on conscious relationships (Integral Relationships), and it has written the PRIMARY and SECONDARY fantasies men and woman have, and correlated to their spiral dynamics level. The primary is the obvious stuff This user had posted it before: ---- When it comes to the epistemology in general when it comes to dealing with humans, and stuff we are very biased about: We really don't know precisely people, people can be very random. Religion tried many times to describe what they are and what we are supposed to do, and how supposedly we would be happy this or that way, or political ideology, or internet "gurus". We try to sell to each other ideas of certainty, and meanwhile there are the ones that are all so very full of their certainty (The "Pervert" philosophically speaking) and we have "Hysteria" (Doubt)

I don't see suicide as an option. I see life as a path to deepen and ascend. Perhaps is not, but intuitively, that's what it seems. Any opportunity must be seized; you have to fight to the end. It can be hard, extremely hard: old age, paralysis, dependency, loneliness. It can really be difficult, but I think you can always find a path to greater openness, greater depth. In the end, you die, and you've done your job. If you commit suicide, it seems cowardly to me, unless it's to avoid being a burden. Although, who knows, perhaps in a situation of incurable illness, it's the only viable option. You never know what is going to happen next

Been thinking of suicide ever since and have gotten close.I think about it every day. I've also been a weed addict for 9 years since I was 15. I quit cold turkey the 7th of January this year including quitting of cigarrettes and haven't looked back since. I was afraid of actually killing myself and not moving on in life and drug addiction was ruining me and my finances. Tbh, I'm still contemplating whether I should kill myself or not. It's already quite clear for me that this suffering will continue for the rest of my life and that I will never be truly happy in this life and always suffer to some degree. Whether that degree is a lot or less, that might vary and be slightly in my control. But I suffer everyday which I didn't before that faithful period of decay in 2023. But everytime I got close to getting on a train, to go to a cliffy area to throw myself off a cliff, I thought of two things; -my parents crying, me destroying their life because of my suicide -the idea of how wrong suicide is, that somehow morality is real and not imaginary, and that I will face judgement for it and go to hell in the afterlife. If you believe that consciousness is eternal, which I have become conscious of, suicide doesn't really help you, since your consciousness will continue anyway, it will either be good, bad or neutral. Maybe it will all be random but I have an intuition your actions do have influence on it. It got me thinking a lot about what is even the point of living if you can't be healthy and not suffer for your entire life, plus the thought of hell, got me interested in religion. This is one of my favorite audio segments for when I am losing faith: It's by an Islamic spiritual master, one of the greatest of all time, who lived in Baghdad in the middle ages. It goes deep into faith and giving up worldly pleasures for spiritual gain. It gives meaning to suffering it out and caring for others, being on the spiritual and religious path, and staying away from worldly excess. I hope some of you can appreciate this wonderful man and his teachings. this is another great one: Confronting the listener with their own inner hypocrisy and lack of integrity towards real spiritual growth and the Real. To leave you with a metaphysical, philosophical question: If all morals are imaginary, what would be the reason that so many people suffer in this life? If there are no morals (and thus no karma , not anything that can influence the next life) , it doesn't matter whether there is or isn't a next life, since no action can influence it. suicide would for many people be the best option, considering this. But this conflicts with the world and our life, namely, why would God create our life full of suffering if there is absolutely no meaning or challenge to it? God creates everything with perfect reason and doesn't let anything go to waste. So why create suffering at all if it has no meaning? that would make the escape of suffering the best possible course of action in all cases, since suffering is by itself bad (A=A), and there is nothing outside of A=A, like honor, others, judgement, that is tied to facing suffering in a less cowardly way. I would love to hear what you have to say about this philosophical question as well, @Leo Gura, since you seem to be a proponent of nihilism.

Suicide rates are lower with therapy, transgender doesn't mean they receive therapy, it's illegal even some places, let alone expensive.

Then if testo can help with depression and anxiety, why is it still such an abnormal high suicide rate among trans? If these disorders causes suicide. Why are these people not happy then after all the "theraphy" from body-altering substances? They even continue to take harmful, hazardous drugs because they are still not happy, in fact, many regret that they have permannently changed their sex by surgery. "Among transgender adults, 44% reported recent suicidal ideation" <--- this fact doesnt seem like the theraphy is working.

Hormone imbalances cause depression and anxiety, it's why people take testosterone for example. Depression and anxiety cause suicide and substance abuse. Transgenderism = hormone therapy, testosterone.

I have a firm, tanned ass to begin with <3 No, but testosterone and transgenderism is not the same. Mabe he love himself, probably does. But that wont change the fact that trans people are commiting suicide from left to right and taking ilicit, harmful drugs. I did not made up this, its the reality we live in. Look at the data. It shows clearly whats going on among these individuals. Its sad.

Right. And santa clause is comming down my chimney next christmas to choke to death on my soot. Maybe he does for the mood or sex drive. Him taking testosterone doesnt justify that transgender people are mostly not self-loving. If they were self-loving indivuiduals then there wouldnt be such a high suicide rate among with substance abuse. How is this not obvious? If you want to die it means you cant stand yourself (you dont love yourself) Its all self-sabotage in reality.

Even if they are ignorant, we cant ignore the fact that there is such a high suicide rate among trans and also doing self harming behaviour. Nothing screams I love you body, more than taking hazardous substances and attempting suicide. Precisely, maybe? If you take body-altering substances to begin with, means you are not happy with the muscles you already got. Taking testosterone can cause sleep disorders and stimulate the growth of the prostate. Its all self-sabotage to your own body.

Isnt it lack of self-love? "More than 40% of transgender adults in the US have attempted suicide" https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/ "Nearly one-third of transgender individuals reported hazardous drinking (28%) and problematic drug use (31%)" "Transgender nonbinary people were four times more likely to engage in hazardous drinking compared to transgender women." "The majority (82%) of transgender people have accessed formal mental health care" These findings makes you wonder.

@Elliott transgenderism is an umbrella term used for a variety of conditions and in my case I would argue it is not descriptive of my experience. Yes for the sake of making distinctions and pointing to something a term needs to be used but I would rather it was actually descriptive. i didn’t suddenly turn around one day and declare myself to be something. I was always that gender so there wasn’t a moment I migrated my gender from one thing to another so there was no transmigration. transexual might be more accurate but I was born with gonadal disgenesis and components that are both female and male. I did have surgery so there’s nothing I I have that isn’t functionally male now. I wasn’t just female before and male after so I wouldn’t have said I transmigrated my biological sex rather aligned part of it to match the rest. So I would fall into the category of the originally known condition that would have been called transsexual being treated with full surgery, hormone replacement and support psychotherapy throughout. puting something in alignment would mean it was incongruent but still there to an extent so the term Gender incongruency is used in quite a few medical settings. It’s an incongruency between sexual biology components that is known by the expression of the gender so it involves both sex and gender. An alignment of one and affirmation of the other. The word disorder is no longer used. not all people get treatment or surgery or full surgery even but are classified the same way and now we have a ton more ‘identities’ to struggle with. A conversation with a surgeon recently I asked about the changing demographic and he said the group you would have originally referred to as butch lesbians are mostly the ones now identifying as non binary so they hormone block and opt for chest surgery. That’s all that’s really changed in the last 10 years. progressive and liberal cultures have recognised allot of social constructs but instead of seeing their social importance in role and structure ( according to traditional views) they have expanded into a free for all. I mentioned in another response that some studies suggest that our neurology is not just biological but also shaped by external influences so by conforming and beleiving there are sexual/gender roles and ability ( men better than women at some things) we grown up being influenced by that and shaping our neurology causing greater disparities between perceived genders that reflect in the structure of the brain. This is seen as differing from culture to culture where those that hold men women more equal show less difference in neurological structure and general aptitude/ ability between men and women. The warning is that by claiming drastic biological difference, it influences reinforcing cultural or external influences creating more drastic divisions. I’m old blood from the simple man or woman era, pick one and get on with life… so I’ve struggled to understand and incorporate the non binary and pronoun crowd. But if mosaic theory is more accurately describing the dimorphism of humanity and variety that expresses from it then I can begin to see where the multiple identities are coming from. It’s reality yet again refusing to be categorised but we like our labels to justify our existence. I got my treatment and was discharged from the clinic years ago. I was first in my country to go through the full process and I was 17 at the time it started. I was monitored as having a problem since I was 5. And the whole thing was not completed till I was 27. I had no adverse affects or complications other than severe distress and suicide attempts in the beginning nearing my teens as no one really knew what was wrong or what to do until I was passed to a doctor who knew about it ( he and a few others noticed a deficit in care in my country so they moved here and provided care for the small group in the country. There were only 200 in the clinic back then and there are around a thousand on the books now. I’m now 42, married and none of it is an issue nor does it exist. I can’t label what is not there. I don’t identify with things that don’t occur within myself or my life. It simply doesn’t exist. The question then remains: why do people need to identify me? What exactly is it that they are trying to point at? And this is where I suggest what is being talked about is nothing more than a story that can’t be said to exist. I don’t wear my past ‘thoughts’ or manifestations in the present. They are nowhere to be found. I keep an eye on research certainly as the more that gets uncovered the more fluid humans seem to become. i personally don’t want to loose the roles of man and woman because I enjoy and appreciate what those things are. I also have no problem expanding to include other types of roles and appreciate what those are too and I will eventually adapt after a short struggle to integrate the possibility of those new types of people into my reality map. I know they have probably always been around like myself but we are trying to move into an awareness of a more expanded acceptance of reality. I don’t think humans are quite ready to drop all categorisation and deal with the diversity of reality just yet. I understand that is quite destabilising. for now, I call people what they introduce themselves to me as and I personally don’t categorise. I am confronted by divinity in one of its many infinitely diverse forms as it is presenting and exploring itself in that instance.

Look, I am open minded even to Solipsism and God realization. But I struggle with blasphemy to the point of insanity 3 times locked up, twice in the psychiatric unit, one suicide attempt. I consider myself strong spiritually except for blasphemy. That is my achilles heel