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To differentiate between 'The Godhead itself' / 'formless infinite consciousness' on the one hand, and then "something else" on the other, e.g. 'yourself running around in your house eating blueberry smoothie', is precisely dualism. You running around in your house eating blue berry smoothie is formless infinite consciousness. This is a fine pointer, but still concept (like everything we can think/say with words). We can't eat the menu. Enneagram type 5's primary ego-temptation: replacing direct experience with concepts. There are no rocks, no ants, no children, no adults. God-consciousness is what is. Every state is natural; every state is a state of God. There are no other states than the state of God. Nahm hit the nail on the head here: --- To insist on this slicing up of Reality/Oneness into parts keeps you stuck in duality. I understand; your job is basically to make fine distinctions when you present new material in your brilliant youtube videos. But every so-called 'person' is absolutely nothing other than yourself: nothingness, God, infinite formless consciousness. And what is there to be conscious of? God, Oneness, Nothingness. Infinite Love/Consciousness/Imagination you say, but how do you know that *ANY* so-called 'person' isn't COMPLETELY conscious of 'It' already but just plays on? Pretends? Like a great actor really immersed in his or her role? Consciousness goes deep cos it's infinite. But enlightenment isn't an accumulation or collection of far out (to humans) crazy trips into consciousness/mystical states/psychedelic trances. Enlightenment is 'merely' a complete surrender (complete let-go), beyond mind, beyond ego, beyond thinking, beyond judgements, to Reality as it is without concepts on top of it - without ideas or thoughts thoughts about it, Now. Of course there can still be lots of thinking, there can still be lots story-making (such as the idea of 'degrees of wokeness'), but if you don't see that any thought, any idea, any concept, any story is just that: concept, fun play, story-making (absolutely speaking: nothing!), well, then you are still stuck in duality. Enlightenment is looking at everything -- including all your so-called 'own' thoughts/ideas, as well as 'other's' thoughts/ideas -- and smiling on the inside, knowing (*feeling*) deeply that it is all absolutely Divine Perfection unfolding, no matter "what it is". A simultaneous complete immersion into & complete detachment from experience. If you go around still making judgements about reality that you deeply believe to be true, such as "I am not enlightened", "I am enlightened", "I am x or y" , "I am not x or y" , "x or y is not enlightened", "I still need x or y", etc., it is because you are caught in the hamsterwheel of duality; or should I say, you are caught because you are making those judgements. How to get out of this strange loop? Trying to stop making judgements is in itself a judgement of oneself: "I am making judgements, gosh I have to stop!" Don't try. Take yourself 50% less serious, smile, love, let go, let be.

No. I have had 5-meo but no ego death. Just infinite light/nothingness. Planning tomorrow actually to finally do 5-meo plugged and contemplate in silence. Why do you say BS?

Switching your identity to that of Nothingness to the exclusion of states and fields becomes its own subtle duality. If you identify with being an observer of the field, that is a subtle duality still. There is 1) YOU, and 2) the field. YOU = FIELD ONENESS Nothing more can be said.

@Leo Gura This is the one thing I've seen you say in this forum more than once and I feel I haven't understood it yet, perhaps you might explain it to me. How could an ant not be as conscious as I am? I mean, I get it, it doesn't perceive as "much" as I do, but that's not the point, consciousness is not perception in the ordinary sense. It is all one consciousness, the great all-pervasive, all-inclusive empty awareness, it is Nothingness, how could there possibly be "a different Nothingness" ? An ant has (is) the same consciousness, the same Nothingness as I am. Having realized that you are that awareness (independent of whether you've realized it or not) , what is the point in pursuing "more"? What "more" is there supposed to be? (besides strengthening one's non-dual awareness in everyday life)

@WHO IS you are a mirror of nothingness you reflect anything its infinite litteraly no bounds just take away all the bounderies it can be itself it can be anything it wants

Definitely. Not even close to be awakening threat. For someone doesn’t even experience nothingness talks about awakening.

It's a bad ending. I don't want to bring forth some conspiritualtionism black hole, and definitely not just morph ideas into attention, but I'm going to be trapped in a loop of nothingness, alone forever, and an identical unfolding is somewhat magically fine to all of you? Aren't you all cosmic comedians or liars? The absolute state of such a frightening outcome doesn't trigger any will of empathy to even yourself? Or do you care so little about yourself that you could rather deflect with degrading consumable activities such as sex, food or anime? There is no love. Everyone is doing whatever make their own self enjoyable. You can stamp such thick layers of conceptual sanity with labels such as "self-referential fear-based thoughts", "monkey-stretching duality", or "an endless codeword game of good and evil", it doesn't change the fact there is no actual reason to "wake up" to the insanely wild force of infinite selfishness that God is, letting yourself tumble down the bottomless pit of irrational delusion, succumbing to your own madness unleashed by your full creative power. If you are pure love then why do I fear you so much? If all is love then why do you want to leave me alone? It's not fair. I never wanted to be conscious in the first place. Stop saying that you are me. Just let me out! There is no such thing as untangling pointers, it's a meme. All is nonsense and desperate avoidance of doom.

Basically yes, although there was still content in my experience, but it was made irrelevant by my overwhelming concentration on pure Nothingness. And moreover, all content IS Nothing. There really is no difference between content and no content. But if you want a pure no-content experience, that's certainly possible. It's not strictly necessary, but possible. You can become pure Consciousness with no content. This is a specific type of samadhi.

Have you ever experienced pure nothingness with absolutely no content?

@lbranjord What specific symptoms do you have from DP/DR? DP/DR, is the dark night of the soul, the ego being afraid of the nothingness and being ripped into pieces during every episode.

Consciousness / not a thing / infinite potentiality vibrates at a multitude of frequencies and thus infinite being is being ‘reality’ by vibrationally appearing to itself, as itself, by itself. Vibration / oscillation / appearance is experientially probabilistic, that there may be experience / creation. This place is your creativity. ‘Your” ‘substance’ is everythingness, you’re everything. Ideally, every time the word nothingness is used, it would be immediately followed by fullness, wholeness, or maybe completeness...to articulate absoluteness (not-two; empty & full), or more specifically, that absolute can’t be thought (thinking=twoness / appearance). Maybe...a mirage can’t think desert because the only reality of mirage is desert. Awareness can’t think awareness, because thought is the mirage, yet creation of awareness. (Minus relative linguistics) you are conscious you are nothing be default of having scrutinized and ruled out that you are something.

@cetus @cetus My sense if self is very subtle, but I get your point. @Breakingthewall On multiple occasions, I also wasn't really fully emerged into it either. God is such a big word, nothingness and infinite consciousness might be 2 aspects of God, but not the full picture (I hope). I want to be speechless after the God awakening.

Creativity that comes from what? I saw that my substance is the nothingness, so I'm nothing, you are nothing, but you are concious that you are nothing...how?

It does not come from anywhere, it is nothingness appearing as that. When we talk about the experience of the dream we need to tell stories, because the dream is not actually happening. This appearance, this exact appearance (but not exclusively this appearance) is nothingness. It is not nothingness becoming the appearance, that would create a distance between the appearance and nothingness. It is just fresh, totally unique, never recyclable pure creativity. This can not be recognized by the dreamer though, because in the dream this is known as something tangible and real. The dream is pure creativity appearing as boring known dead stuff, the dreamer is boundlessness appearing bound.

I saw that in my non ego experience, the infinite void. But it's a problem with your thesis: the illusion is not "nothing", is something. Even a thought or a dream are something...so, from where the dream that we are comes? From the nothingness? So the nothingness is dreaming...a nothingness do nothing...the birth of the "I" is destined for disaster you said...so the I has birth. From the nothingness. Like the thoughts. They came from the nothingness.

But you said in your first post that you focused in the nothingness and you got the infinite consciousness.

@Breakingthewall Ego death mostly in the evening while eating. Only nothingness, I was told that this is basically God, but I don't think that was everything there is to it. Apparently during the God realisation you can only utter the word God. It just stopped happening after 6 months. No treatment, nothing.

So you had ego death, you got immersed in the nothingness but only that, nothingness...how finished that process? Ego death every day? In what circumstances?

I tried with a trip sitter but I didn't feel relaxed, and I haven't the breakthrough...I guess that increasing the dose at the end happens. At the end I did alone smoking 5 mg, and thinking, let's enjoy of the effect of 5 mg, after another 5, and I thought...it's almost, let's stop and another day I'll do...but at the end I thought another day is never, and I was like high with the other 10 so I smoked another 5 and I had that breakthrough that you read. It was the first ego death in my life and as I experienced only the nothingness I got like horror feeling at the end, when the "I" started to come back. I'm sure that for many people that nothingness could be really beautiful. Now I think I'm going to go to that nothingness until I love the nothingness, I'm not looking for god experience for now, if comes, cames, I want experience that nothingness that scared me until I love it. Good luck with your trip! I recommend you to do, even it's a bad trip it's a huge teaching

@Breakingthewall I felt the presence of the infinite consciousness and smoked a blunt to "come down". It resulted in a spike in prana in my whole body, started and i paniked for hours. The next 6 months i had involuntary ego deaths everyday. Ego deaths were existential torture. Those 6 months were my dark night of the soul. Also called DP/DR After every ego death came the classic nothingness (as explained by shinzen young).

What is the dark night of the soul? What trauma brought you the nothingness? Could you explain?

Hello, I want a God-Awakening. Something is building up in my consciousness right now, I believe that I am close to an awakening, and I am looking for self inquiry methods specific for God. I would like to access "Access concentration" everytime before I do self inquiry. So I'd love to use a method that can be used while being in that deep state of concentration. Somehow I never got the awakening I wanted. The nothingness came because of a trauma, when I tried to focus on the nothingness I got the infinite consciousness and spent days without ego, and when I tried to meditate on inf. Consciousness I had a spontaneous kundalini awakening. Now unfortunately I cannot get those awakenings to come up regularly again, and would like to realize I am god. What can I do during meditation to find HIM. I am going to do that for 30 days and see what happens. I can't use psychedelics, because those might shoot me in the dark night of the soul again. I'm going to keep you posted.

@gswva Nope, you got it slightly mixed up Nothingness is the ONLY thing that exists, it's the only possible thing. Non-existence can't exist (by definition). Consciousness exists as the only thing that exists, because it IS everything. Don't just build a theoretical philosophy out of these kind of statements (or out of anything that you hear from Leo or anyone else) it's not in the least bit useful.

@PopoyeSailor This is an awesome summary. Thank you for sharing so many ideas. Seeking truth seems to be an awkward inquiry. If all is love, then abstractly thinking about it is obviously a distasteful approach, but in other hand if this is a permanent fall, then a conscious choice is appreciated. It could be impossible to share how unrestricted awareness feels about itself, since the liberation of our own selfish biases leads to the lack of desire, including the will of sharing this information within ourselves, at least if we assume that consciousness can't be anything else but totally accepting. We can predict that if God were unsatisfied, that there are issues inherent to its own existence, it would reject itself or not become conscious in the first place, but this isn't guaranteed to be possible since this undermine one of the only truth we have right now, that "it" "is". We usually assume "being love" as the only source of happiness, but it could be confused with the very act of breaking through fears, which would be its own reward. Nothingness could lack such feelings. As in, being a completely blank indifferent creator and not feeling anything from it. We can't even know what's the most transcendent intention of kindness between selfishness and selflessness, since both "feel good" in their own way. Well, I'm not trying to shape random conspiracy theories against spirituality, but I just want to be exhaustive. Enlightened people can't prove anything to sleepy dreamers beside saying that this is obviously nonsense. That's said, it's likely that awakening is permanent for the same reason this fearless "state" is where happiness is maximized for the Self. Yes, in a sense we can say that there is no such thing as an universe being imagined right now. Our own desire for a dream within a set of consistent rules creates this projection. We usually like stability and the lack of logical contradictions since it reinforces the idea that our fated escape is leading somewhere, Brahman has no other choice than accepting it. Interesting analogy. Some understandings about the structure of life are useful if we want to know what's best between endless dreams or infinite nothingness. While it's hard to make an accurate sampling of all dreams, and even harder to measure their "awesomeness" since it would be estimated within the lens of our survival biases, it's possible than most of them end after some threshold of love/fear is reached, such as the experience can not be too good or too bad without melting back into Oneness. Yet it doesn't make sense because it would imply the existence of some mathematical distribution beyond the scope of logic, and that the knowledge gap of karmas racing against their own self-entanglement isn't uniform, which is impossible to say. Then it doesn't explain how it is possible for us to understand anything, or how lucky we have to be in order to even understand this. Avoiding waking up might as well be a completely foolish idea or a genius take, I'm not sure of anything. Personally, I will probably be pursuing enlightenment since there is no telling how incredible it is to be in a dream where fear can be recognized as the tearing fault. More convoluted incarnations will only feel hopeless and useless as long as the maximum amount of kindness isn't squeezed out of them. Dreams are only beautiful thanks to the benediction of Love. But then it could be a funny (or horrible) idea to keep accumulating fear in order to make better fireworks. Some speculative reasons for the apparition of jivas: - Part of the birth process of God, which is infinite, therefore this process is endless - Process inherent to the creation of the highest love, required to reach other deeply buried jivas themselves - Divisible bits of awareness trying to escape or falling out of sync, because Oneness is hell and all lies, or whatever unknown reason - In the opposite way, overflow of love are looping back into dreams - Or I'm just alone with extreme schizophrenia I've always found the way consciousness store information really intriguing. Intuitively, I have initially thought that all form that is, is all that is aware. But some people report experiencing the void/emptiness in their trip and coming back from it to their previous human dream. I doubt the relationship between love/fear, form and awareness can be too complicated. One simple explanation is that since God is infinite, it doesn't need to store anything because it already stores everything, including the most nonsensical conscious states. But then it doesn't explain how everything was created at once, through a selective process. I have overlooked the simplicity of God's design. You are right. Since the mechanism of incarnation itself is within a dream, all possible models we can make about it are theoretically possible. I made a another schema based on that without superfluous content.

Nothingness, as formless awareness, is impossible, therefore it doesn't exist. Consciousness can not not be because it never existed in the first place. It all makes sense now.