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What if the ultimate truth is that there is no truth so therefore truth itself is deception? What if the ultimate reality is that there is no reality so therefore reality itself is an illusion? What if the ultimate awakening is realizing that there is no awakening so therefore enlightenment itself is a delusion? Beyond Infinity What is existence? Understanding the nature of existence is of great importance when seeking to understand reality. Infinity or everything is literally all things. Every space, every world, every possibility, every universe, every dimension and etc. But what are all those things? Go deeper and what you will find is that every thing is merely information ℹ. That is to say if it possess quality or quantity (identity) then it is of information. So therefore existence is information. Beyond existence. Nothing is beyond existence. No literally - no thing is beyond everything. Touch your hand ✋ if you will. That sensation happens in your brain! The dualistic mind causes duality for the sake of being informative hence what can be experienced is pure info... Well hypothetically atleast. But nonetheless if information is the product of the dualistic mind then imagine if there were a thing that is not of information . Spoiler : you can't because anything you do conjure up will be information (have quality) since it is in the nature of the mind to be informative. And yet what if there were a realm where the notion of existence doesn't apply. A thing that couldn't be experienced because there's no thing to experience. Could this be the realm of nonduality? Does it even have a name? What do you think?

This topic was fuzzy to me until just recently. Like, until 40 mins ago. basically, traditional zen didn’t/doesn’t teach non-duality the way it’s taught now. Western zen temples generally do, though. in traditional zen, non-duality was an absolutist position which, until you got enlightened, you really were supposed to just believe. people who got enlightened in old traditions like zen got very, very lucky by the sheer fact that their absolutist position ended up lining up with the Truth. modern non-duality is run by yellow and turquoise clearly thought out rational proofs of nonduality. Not how it used to be.

Sounds like she is well grounded, but not aware of nonduality yet. Her views would change. Also sounds like you’re possibly attracted to her, you could be projecting. Hope I’m not just being cynical, but notice how these things directly secure the work that she does. How is she missing the much larger sample of people who were healed / helped? And has any one person worked with thousands of people who needed help from psychedelics? Other drugs I certainly could see. What system even funnels people with psychedelic ailments to her? Any treatment center or hospital would be receiving people with ailments from all drugs, primarily ego stimulating addictive ones, not psychedelics. I wonder what specific experience she is speaking from. People die eating French fries wrong. Someone could apply hand lotion ‘wrongly’ and fuck themself all up. I think you’re able to distinguish, as you said...”best experiences” & “beneficial”. Seems like you might be putting her on a pedestal for some reason, causing you to doubt your self, and what you have found works well for you. Also, you can only know the methods she suggests by trying them. I agree with @cirkussmile..one at a time.

First time I noticed it was when I started to meditate. I had always used (?) this spaciousness as I was trying to go to sleep and it was strange that it manifested itself during meditation. I thought that I was sleepy hahaha. It was only the above the eyes sensation, though. Never the top of the head. After some observation, it started to manifest in the waking hours, spontaneously. It became intertwined with meditation somehow and this is how I began to meditate effortlessly. It's 'on' all the time these days. I don't pay too much attention to it anymore. Just curious. I thought that I was squint my eyes during sleeping, hahaha. So funny. It's an eclipse in inverse colors to match the forum layout. A beautiful, natural manifestation of nonduality. An added bonus is that tsuki is moon in Japanese.

That is not nondual...in your conceptionalizing of what you heard, you are now imagining infinite variations of duality. Also, it is still revolving around a "you" that is experiencing these infinite variations. There is no "me" in nonduality.

@Ether First you’d find that skin is an organ, the largest one, and that it is interdependent (inescapably relative & finite) on every other organ. Then you might google “What are these organs made of?”...you might read about molecules, cells. Then you might google “what are cells made of?”.... But ego does not like rabbit holes. It would prefer you don’t look into things. It likes primitive impulse like sex drive. It like’s to hold a device which is a vehicle to it’s own undermining, and actual freedom, and use the device to satisfy it’s sexual impulses. Not judging though. More power to ya. You are aware though, that the ego says there’s no ego. No? The devil says it’s not the devil, God says it’s not God, you say you’re not Leo, but there is nonduality.

@Ether I understand my man. But just because you are insulted does not mean someone insulted you. Btw...who is insulted? And how could someone prove nonduality to you? Maybe take 10 minutes and google for yourself. Start by looking at your own finger. Then start googling what it actually is. I know you’re real busy though. It’s just a suggestion.

At this point, I'm starting to think that Blue is the nonduality of Red. Orange is the nonduality of Blue. Green is the nonduality of Yellow, etc.

Forget about nonduality and god. Understand the duality in oneself. (the self)

@Saumaya What’s the difference between Turqoise & nonduality?

@Sea A stage Yellow person is never going to revert back to stage Blue. It's sort of like leaving a cult. Once you are conscious enough, re-joining a cult cannot work on you. For example, there is no way that Albert Einstein or Barrack Obama could become an ISIS Jihadist (unless maybe his brain is damaged). It would never happen because he's too conscious for that. You're not going to see a stage Orange society revert back to stage Red. America is never going to become a theocracy like Saudi Arabia, for example. Etc. Temporary regression is possible in the sense that one may still not be stabilized at one's level. For example, America leaned Green with electing Obama, and then regressed back down to Blue/Orange with electing Trump. But this was not a change in America's level of development, it was just a difference of expression. America is evolving up the Spiral. America is not going to be Blue in 100 years as much as it will be Green. So to say that there is no directionality would be very misleading. There will never be a time when slavery and Jim Crow laws get re-instated. That ship has long sailed for Americans. When you are angry/fearful, you will express lower stages than when you are joyful and confident. So there's that additional wrinkle. For example, if America experiences a new great depression, or a nuclear attack, then the population will be angry and fearful, so they will skew more conservative, more Blue, more authoritarian. BTW, Clare Graves' understanding of Spiral Dynamics was itself limited because he was not a nondual mystic. He didn't really understand the connection between Spiral Dynamics and Consciousness. My explanations of Spiral Dynamics are not just a parroting of someone else's theory, but my understanding of it, which is informed by my nondual experiences. And very importantly, being at higher levels is not "good" or "better". Turquoise is no "better" than Red. At the highest levels of nonduality you will have unconditional acceptance for all stages, all "evils", all ignorance. You, as God, are EVERYTHING, with no better than, worse than, or lesser. A human is not better than an ape or a dinosaur or a pig. Yes, Spiral Dynamics can easily be abused, like any model. As far as models go, Spiral Dynamics is a very complex and nuanced one, with lots of subtlety, which can easily be misapplied unless you study it very closely. There is a tendency to oversimplify Spiral Dynamics. To apply Spiral Dynamics properly you need to be a solid stage Yellow. Lower stages will tend to misapply it. Is Spiral Dynamics limited? Of course. Is Spiral Dynamics the Absolute Truth? Of course not. Is Spiral Dynamics helpful for growing yourself and your society? Very much so, if you apply it carefully. Can Spiral Dynamics be abused to justify all sorts of judgments and evils? Of course.

@Joseph Maynor I never said Turquoise doesn't act. At the deepest levels of nonduality all action is pointless. You could just shoot yourself and it would be okay. It's all perfect. Teaching is pointless of course. But in practice you will probably just carry on with life, for shits and giggles, and probably teach. The world cannot be improved in any way at all. It is an Absolute singularity, and everything is already contained within it for eternity. But this is not something that can be explained, and it certainly sits outside of Spiral Dynamics so I don't even talk about it. You will only discover this for yourself, at the very deepest levels of nondual consciousness. At which point, you will no longer need me or anyone else to guide you.

@Bobby It's useful to distinguish between enlightenment and one's cultural worldview. You can technically have mystical experiences at stage Blue. But these days, if you're going to become enlightened, you're probably gonna be at stage Turquoise, especially if you follow sources like Actualized.org or other modern nonduality teachers. Because we all teach inclusiveness and holistic thinking in a non-sectarian way. In that past, when people became enlightened they would mostly do it within a single insulated tradition, like Christianity or Hinduism, or Zen. Nowadays you can hardly stay insulated from all the various traditions. Nonduality has become a melting pot. Deep nondual experiences will tend to push your values and worldview towards Turquoise quite naturally.

@Faceless Why do you rank truth (experience) above illusion (belief)? In total nonduality, they're the same thing. The experience you're having right now can't be had without beliefs, also interestingly, thoughts and beliefs (contrary to experience) are the thing that makes experience make sense at all, because you can only have an experience if you have something to compare it against, which is thought, polar opposites, same thing actually. Without thought, how would you know that there is an experience happening?

@lmfao Yeah, it's tough not to judge the lower stages. You really gotta grow into deep Yellow and Turquoise in order to be able to look upon Blue and the other stages without animosity. At Turquoise there is a deep realization that everything within reality is necessary and perfect. When you realize that, you see that every person is precisely where they must be. It makes no sense any longer to blame or criticize people for their ignorance because they know not what they do and they cannot help themselves. The only way to attain peace for yourself is to totally drop all judgment of people and reality. And this can only happen by becoming conscious of the truth of nonduality. You have to realize that self/other are literally identical. If you accomplish that, you will be left with unconditional love for all. You will see the world the way God sees it: perfect as it is. One of the biggest obstacles to enlightenment is giving up all your judgments, demonizations, and criticisms of reality. Imagine being unable to judge anyone or anything ever again. Such a notion scares most people. Unconditional love is very radical. The ego cannot stand it. It's too dangerous from the ego's perspective.

Yes. What's the point of not believing? What's the point of living? What's the point of asking? What's the point of answering? What's the point of having or not having a point at all? You see, there are many layers of beliefs running. You just can't avoid believing. So choose your beliefs consciously. This is my advice. Inhaling contradits exhaling, and both create life (life = duality = nonduality), but who is right? Maybe everyone

One of the downsides to the love-centered approach to nonduality is that it attracts a lot of love-bunnies, who become very devotional to the point of idol worship. Which then creates a sort of stage Green mob mentality, which mirrors stage Blue dogmatism. I have a friend who joined the Hare Krishnas, and it's this same kind of blind devotion mentality which leads to this kind of spiritual co-dependency. That's the danger of being part of a tight spiritual community. You become dependent on it and you stop thinking for yourself. This can easily lead to abuse and cult-like behavior, even if the guru is a nice person. Precisely what happened with Osho's community. The guru and his followers both become dependent on each other too much. A good guru will not let you worship him, keeping a professional distance from his students. Otherwise it becomes incestuous. I'm guessing Matt Kahn's followers fall into this same kind of trap given his style of teaching. I'm not saying anything negative about these gurus, just pointing out some common traps people fall into.

What if the ultimate truth is that there is no truth so therefore truth itself is deception? What if the ultimate reality is that there is no reality so therefore reality itself is an illusion? What if the ultimate awakening is realizing that there is no awakening so therefore enlightenment itself is a delusion? Beyond Infinity What is existence? Understanding the nature of existence is of great importance when seeking to understand reality. Infinity or everything is literally all things. Every space, every world, every possibility, every universe, every dimension and etc. But what are all those things? Go deeper and what you will find is that every thing is merely information ℹ. That is to say if it possess quality or quantity (identity) then it is of information. So therefore existence is information. Beyond existence. Nothing is beyond existence. No literally - no thing is beyond everything. Touch your hand ✋ if you will. That sensation happens in your brain! The dualistic mind causes duality for the sake of being informative hence what can be experienced is pure info... Well hypothetically atleast. But nonetheless if information is the product of the dualistic mind then imagine if there were a thing that is not of information . Spoiler : you can't because anything you do conjure up will be information (have quality) since it is in the nature of the mind to be informative. And yet what if there were a realm where the notion of existence doesn't apply. A thing that couldn't be experienced because there's no thing to experience. Could this be the realm of nonduality? Does it even have a name? What do you think?

If you do not become conscious that purpose, meaning, and value are created by your ego-mind, you will forever be a slave to self-survival and never reach the deepest levels of nonduality. It is absolutely vital that you guys become conscious of what meaning, purpose, and value really are. Your entire deluded life hinges on those 3 things. The slate needs to be wiped clean. You need to come face-to-face with the fact that life is utterly meaningless. Only then does spirituality begin. "Living in the moment" or BEING is not a purpose, nor is there any meaning in it. Sit down and contemplate: "What is meaning? Where does it come from?" Another exercise you can do every morning is to look around the room and tell yourself, "Every object in this room is totally meaningless and valueless." Focus on each object and tell yourself, "This object meanings nothing." Then move on to the next object. Don't make any excuses or exceptions for any objects. Don't even make an exception for your body, your child, your cat, your dog, your spouse, your wallet, etc. They are all meaningless.

It HAS limited itself to unity. What you're missing is that unity = disunity. True unity contains all possible disunities. In the same way that true freedom contains all possible forms of enslavement. Think about it. There is no true freedom unless you are free to enslave others. (Freedom within human governments is not freedom, but the opposite: limitation). The function of government is to limit freedom. Because true freedom is way too radical and dangerous for the ego to cope with. True freedom means death, which is the last thing you want. Unity doesn't create, it just is. Creation isn't a process, creation is unity. Creation appears to look like a process from your POV because you are under the illusion that time is real. In fact, time is a concept. Why does God allow evil? Because God is all-allowing. God allows EVERYTHING. God cannot discriminate. Which literally means that God cannot see evil. To God, evil cannot exist, other than as delusion. Because in TRUTH, nothing is evil. Evil can only exist as falsehood. For God to create evil, it has to lie to itself that evil exists. And that's how evil is born, as an illusion within the eyes of God incarnated as a human being. Only human beings are deluded enough to see evil in the world. God is too smart to see evil, so it has to make itself stupid (born as a human) to experience evil. A human is just a retarded version of God. Why would God retard itself? Because God is unlimited, it must allow every possible thing, including every possible retardation of itself, from a microbe to an ant to a monkey to a human. But Leo, I don't like being retarded! Well, that's cause you're a selfish retard. If you were really smart, you'd see retardation is necessary to complete the whole. There cannot be infinity without retardation. That's very simple. What you're failing to comprehend (because you are stuck in the duality paradigm) is that nonduality and duality are IDENTICAL! There exists only one thing: Infinity. That's where you find yourself sitting right now. Smack in the middle of this infinity. This infinity includes nothing, and everything simultaneously. God doesn't really "create" anything. Creation is not something that occurs through time. Creation is NOT a process. Creation is. Like a giant static singularity. God is all things all the time. God cannot help being all things because that's what limitlessness means. To be unlimited is to be EVERYTHING all at once. Duality was never really created. It was always just an aspect of nonduality. ONENESS is so ONE that it contains all possible divisions of itself. In the same way that pure white light contains all the colors of rainbow inside itself. White light doesn't create red, blue, green, yellow, etc. White light is IDENTICAL to red, blue, green, yellow, etc. A carton of eggs contains: 0 eggs, 1 egg, 2 eggs, 3 eggs, 4 eggs, 5 eggs, 6 eggs, 7 eggs, 8 eggs, 9 eggs, 10 eggs, 11 eggs, and 12 eggs -- ALL AT THE SAME TIME! A carton of eggs does not create 3 eggs. It is BEING 3 eggs already! That's what carton means. Is it true that there are 3 eggs in a full carton of eggs? Yes! Now imagine an infinite carton of eggs. You are one of those eggs, and also the whole carton. It's the opposite. It's like waking up from being asleep. Asleep is what you are now. You are asleep to the fact that many-ness is identical to ONENESS. You're failing to notice the ONENESS, because you believe you're alive and separate from other things. According to duality, there is a difference between duality and nonduality. But according to nonduality, there isn't.

Coming from Enlightenment or Nonduality, there is no separation between you and this girl, or anyone or anything for that matter. You and her are the same and one. You cannot break up with yourself or lose yourself or get rejected by yourself. Do the work and become Awake. You'll never be separate from anyone ever again. You'll never be lonely or feel the pain of loss. You'll always be one with everyone and everything. Then you'll know what real love is.

I suggest you read the book, The Mind Illuminated, which talks about the stages of enlightenment. Feel free to make a quick google search if you’d like on the book or these stages on their own. It’s important to learn what you need on your level. I don’t suggest many of Leo’s recent videos to newer people here too soon as it’s rather advanced. You don’t try to teach Calculus to a kindergartener trying to learn how to count after all, so of course some people are confused. I suggest master the basics of meditation first. Breath meditation, noting, body meditation, loving kindness meditation, etc. All the classics — the part of self inquiry is that it requires a certain amount of awareness and ability to focus to maintain the view of Truth. If you haven’t already, learning from books rather than Leo’s videos can help a lot. Peter Ralson’s Book of Not Knowing is a good choice if you want to make a lot of progress in the shortest amount of time possible. It involves a lot more introductory ideas to nonduality — while still respecting these ideas in depth by not oversimplifying it.

How do you faint from a mushroom trip??? Was your friend bouncing around on a pogo stick? Nonduality viral video idea: mushrooms on pogo sticks!

That's totally true. I agree about learning theory for beginners but advanced level nonduality theory is just pure mental fapping. "Oh everything is god, all is one and I'm The infinite intelegence". Yes it's all true on intelectual level. But really, it's of no significence to anybody

I referenced Vedanta because faceless said- "Not escape what is “duality” to an idea of nonduality. Which is generally what nonduality teachings promote." He doesn't know what's promoted or not promoted.