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Both. ❤️?? (Nonduality) A good thing to do would be to be in nature alone, for as long as feasible. Get comfy there. Love whatever arises in you.

Subjective vs objective is a duality. Reality is nondual. Anything you could say about nonduality would be false, as all thought and speech is based on dualistic divisions like subjective vs objective, real vs unreal, existence vs non-existence, big vs small, matter vs mind, dual vs nondual, etc. Truth escapes all attempts to encapulate it.

That's kind of like asking how being straight is related to spirituality... I'm sorry but infinite love simply is what it is, and anything less would just be egoic/lust. Any depth regarding the topic of love directly has to do with nonduality. Things like homo/hetero sexuality is a hard duality which doesn't cut deep on a spiritual level.

I was in America last year and I am still not able to fully comprehend what happened to me during that period of time. Finally one year after, i started to notice that i was hallucinating. But i want a help from you guys to grasp what happened to me. So let me tell you what i remember and the whole plot. The "Work and Travel" Programme provided me with the chance to work in USA for three months. First two months were just normal, doing my part time job, and smoking some weed in free time. But in the last two weeks, I quit my job, because i had enough money, meditated when high, did some exercise routine and watched Leo's video about absolute infinity part 1&2 when high. Everything was just normal before i met a very interesting, homeless, radically open-minded black 76-years-old man in the street. He just blew my mind because we talked about many concepts (Ego, spiritualism, masturbation, etc..) and then he brought me to a church (he told me the church is not just a church like others). When the pastor came out and talked to me, i just suddenly cried. They prayed for me. After that, i asked the old guy '' you wanna smoke some weed?'' and he said '' why not''. We had a more deep conversation. After the conversation ended, i went to my apartment. I cried. I talked to myself. The funniest part was that i thought i felt the scratch of the enlightenment. But here are the thing that i still cannot understand. 1. I went to 7 eleven convenient store and asked the cashier what time it was. She replied me '' Eleven seven" with a big witch-look-like smile on her face. My brain spontaneously thought that " 7 eleven and eleven seven what the fuck''. i ran out from the store. i don't understand why she scared the shit out of me. 2. i posted some strange posts on facebook. i posted a picture of homeless man that made me cry like baby. i had cried for like ten minutes straight. Then i saw my mother's picture, i cried again. 3. i literally thought that someone is going to bomb chicago and i have to go to my country. but then i just did some really weird stuff to people so that ambulance car came out and brought me to the hospital. actually, at this point, i think i have just gone crazy this time. and i really cant understand why i became crazy. it was really dangerous. i could be literally crazy psychopath. I dunno guys. but this all this nonduality stuff got me there. One thing i can really say is that i was suffering seriously.

http://www.openculture.com/2018/07/the-history-of-indian-philosophy.html Thought this might pique your interest, guys. Don't know how much it taps into actual nonduality, but I guess you can draw your own nondual conclusions from the episodes anyway.

what does have to do with nonduality? sounds more like youre lost in your mind

That's right. Spiral Dynamics does not map mysticism. Mysticism is way beyond Spiral Dynamics. Spiral Dynamics is talking about trends within the evolution of human culture and value systems. The problem with SD is that its inventors were not themselves mystics. So the model doesn't account well for mysticism. Ken Wilber is a mystic. So he has his own models which are similar to SD but which also account a bit more for nonduality. As I will say in the next video, once you reach Yellow, your goal should really be enlightenment, not Turquoise or SD. Break free of the entire cycle of life and death. Put all this nonsense monkey-business to rest. As good as Don Beck may think SD is for solving world problems, in the end, all world problems are just a hallucination. SD is ultimately Maya. Of which you must break free.

@How to be wise Nonduality transcends all models. Sadhguru is dead. He does not exist. He is infinite.

That's right. Although it's complicated. You have to understand that mystics and enlightened people tend to reside outside Spiral the entirely. Nonduality cannot be mapped. Nonduality is not a stage you reach. Nonduality is Absolute. Never forget that Spiral Dynamics is just a model, and it is not designed to model mysticism, altered states of consciousness, or nonduality. If you want a model of levels of nonduality, Ramaji's LOC system is better suited to that. Although, still, it's just a model and will not address every facet.

I really liked the passage from Leo's latest blog posts. Does anyone know any other great examples of biblical texts referencing nonduality? Open to all sacred texts - not just the bible of course.

I haven't even bothered since nobody I know is interested in personal development much less advanced topics like nonduality and consciousness.

Rationalism, materialism, scientism, moralism, intellectual crusading, demonization of Islam, duality. Sam Harris is stuck playing the role of an intellectual. The lesser Jihad. All classic traps you should watch out for. Writing a book or talking about spirituality & meditation does not mean one is awakened or has a profound understanding of nonduality. If you're at stage Blue/Orange/Green, Sam Harris might be useful to you. Once you get beyond that, he will hold you back. There's nothing "wrong" with him. He is who he is.

@Empty That is a very interesting question. How unacceptable or acceptable in general is meditation (without mentioning nonduality)?

Well... if you think about what a loop is very abstractly, it's a singular object which links back with itself via some backward, as yet unseen connection. So two ends which previously seemed separate are ultimately recognized to be one and the same. Try slowly drawing a circle and see what happens. Duality goes full-circle into nonduality The beginning and end are one.

Try Thoreau's Walden. It's very subtle... he's not screaming "NONDUALITY!!" at you but if you're well versed in the theory you can't miss it. After all, the whole premise is that this guy is isolating himself in the woods for two years to find his true nature, your self actualization sirens should be blaring just by that fact alone. The insights gleaned from Walden are rather profound. On the other hand if you know nothing about nondual theory, all the juicy stuff will fly right over your head

It's a tricky topic because in the ultimate big picture, EVERYTHING serves its purpose. Cenk's demonizing the right has its purpose. White people lynching black people has its purpose. Nazis killing Jews had its purpose. Racism, war, genocide, slavery, anti-Semitism, rape, murder, theft, corruption, harassment, abuse, tribalism, etc. It ALL serves a purpose. It's all totally inevitable and part of Infinity. This is the bitter pill that no ego wants to swallow because the ego loves to judge and be self-righteous and to create an environment which aids the ego's survival. So if you're gonna say that demonization is moving us forward. Okay. But also realize, so did Nazi concentration camps. It will take some deep enlightenment experiences to accept that. It will not make sense to the ego-mind. The ego-mind is too selfish to see it. And the ego-mind will try to use this fact to further its agenda by saying things like, "Well, I robbed that person, but it was totally inevitable, like Leo said. So I didn't do anything wrong." Of course this is just ego being a sneaky manipulative snake. Which is also inevitable. Reality cannot be other than exactly how it is. The challenge for ego is to surrender to what is. By definition, anything that happens within reality, servers the ultimate purpose. There is nothing within reality which is "wrong" or "should be otherwise". You cannot optimize reality beyond what it is. It is already 100% optimal and anything that occurs is part of that opitmality unfolding. It just unfolds in counter-intuitive ways. Most people would not think that murder is optimal, but that's because they are not seeing the biggest picture. They are not thinking infinite moves ahead the way God does. So to them, stuff looks sub-optimal. But that is just ignorance. At higher levels of consciousness that will fall away and there will be total acceptance. This is the #1 reason why nonduality cannot go mainstream. This truth is too brutal for people to accept.

I have muslim family members and have never in my whole life heard them talk about anything that can even come close to nonduality. Most of muslims in my experience are stage blue. Believe in God as a seperate entity that is to be feared and worshipped. The ego is in many cases considered evil and the pursuit of material wealth or earthly happiness is considered Dunya. Which is a form of resistance to stage orange and individualism. As is the death penalty for apostasy and so on. Muslims are very blue and might even be red in some circumstances. There are probably Nondual versions of islam, but they are not considered real islam by the mainstream muslims.

@Spacious He's trying to reconcile Blue religion/morality with Orange science. Which will never work without direct experience of the Infinite. The Infinite IS the reconciliation. You cannot comprehend the Infinite via the finite. Duality cannot fathom nonduality. A discontinuous leap in awareness is required. All religion is an aping of nonduality.

Both perspectives are valid. It is true that ultimately, from the perspective of God, that good and evil are not qualities inherent in reality. But the illusion is also a valid part of God. The illusion of duality is an integral aspect of non-duality. So, from the perspective of duality, there are actions that are beneficial and actions that are detrimental. There is also a deep drive toward compassion and creation in all people, which is constantly clashing against an equally strong drive toward destruction. And it is the chaos that occurs between the two within us that makes the internal landscape a beautiful aspect of duality. It is in being able to accept and integrate all polarities as valid aspects of the infinite nature of God: Duality and NonDuality, Form and Formlessness, Love and Emptiness, Good and Evil, etc. that we can become whole again. So, the trick is to hold space for and integrate both paradoxical truths. So, you can realize that good and evil don't actually exist as inherent qualities in reality, but on the level of duality be able to recognize which actions are coming from the "good" drive or the "evil" drive. They are aspects inherent to the internal landscape, just like volcanos and oceans are aspects inherent to the external landscape. And the former is just as non-personal as the latter. I made a video on the topic that addresses this paradox if you're interested...

@DocHoliday Yeah. I was really into fitness, meditation, qm’s, neurology, biology, and Loa for years, then had my first taste of nonduality a year ago...so Joe is like some adjective I don’t have a word for other than nondual. Listening to him, I feel like I’m in the crowd, listening to myself put it all together for myself. Awesomely weirdly cool. And funny af. I love your signature lines btw. The revolution is well underway!

Haha orange is a reaction to blue, green is a reaction to orange and yellow is a reaction to Green, well not a reaction for yellow but a understanding and "seeing" that the stages lower are necessary steps. I can understand, I've had some pretty radical green friends and have moved on. It's interesting when a radical green takes a psychedelic and experiences turquoise and comes back to its ego, the radicalness becomes more intense. Are they into nonduality? I think nonduality leans towards yellow.

Nonduality is the way.

It is the nature of Blue consciousness that it cannot fathom or admit of unity between man and God. Blue views God as a supreme authority figure, which must be situated at the top of a heirarchy. So Blue cannot fathom how man and God are identical. Blue cannot fathom paradox or the notion of strangeloops (tangled-hierarchies). So of course most Muslims will deny that man is God. Because they are practing Islam in an absolutist, ideological, Blue form. Islam at higher colors has no problem with this. Blue cannot fathom nonduality or mysticism. Not even intellectually, let alone experientially. This is not exclusive to Islam. Blue Christians and Blue Buddhists also cannot fathom how they can be Christ or Buddha. Blue sees such talk as blasphemy, disrespect of authority. But in truth, the only authority is God, and you are it. So you are just worshipping yourself

@metwinn I do think free will exists, yes, though it is limited by one's karma. I don't think the existence of free will runs in contrast with nonduality, or goes away just because you see through the illusion of self. I have noticed will to be at a level deeper than self.

You can conceptualize it with water/droplets but avoid the mind trap that this kind of concept is the actual (whole) insight. Thought-self loves concepts --- even concepts about nonduality and transcending thought/self --- and will accumulate them, but this is not insight, which is non-verbal/non-conceptual. It may only be expressed verbally/conceptually after the insight, as the insight is expressed through thought for the purposes of communication. Thought distinguishes, differentiates, separates, identifies, classifies, labels, groups, categories --- that is its nature. To use language (which is dualistic/thought) to communicate this stuff will inherently chop up everything into differences --- fear, desire, time, belief, knowledge, self, thought, etc. Knowledge is thought, and to attach to knowledge is thought seeking security in thought (this can also be considered as movement-from-what-is); the movement of thought-self. Belief is thought, and to attach to belief is thought seeking security in thought (this can also be considered as movement-from-what-is); the movement of thought-self. This process of thought-self and how it is always identifying, seeking security, attaching, clinging, moving in fear, moving from what-is. These are all different concepts/words expressed in dualistic language for the one process.