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@Amandine Shaming me actually reinforces some of the assertions that I made here. Plz dont do that Well yes, nothingness can do that, simple as that Plz no ageism

This nothingness, that doesn't exist, has somehow strong political opinions. Funny thing is, that i've already proven, that Germany didn't go insane, when roughly 1,5 mio. people from the middle east went there. Isn't it possible, that you are just projecting your own insecurities onto others? I know, it's not your fault. You are just a kid. But why do you think, other people are more mundane than you are?

Just because you say that doesnt mean, its not just your subjective judgement about me. Those countries are not socialist, they are not socialist democracies, they are not democratic socialism, they are a free market society with socialist regulations. I can assure you that socialist countries of the past did not want 60 million dead either, they are deeply ashamed of their history and try mask it and distort it. But still, it happened. I personally define my identity by nothingness and non-existence. Im saying that *regular* people would go insane without clear structures. Maybe they will be ready one day to adopt a global identity but at the moment this is not helpful.

Yes there was never a actually awakening, because the person was never real. There is no light in awakening. Light is just a word. Awakening is you. You guys have no idea what awakening is. Ask leo, when you become nothingness, can you feel anything except yourself? Love, duality, words, enlightenment vs these are all illusions. You guys have no idea about what awakening is. Much love.

There's a long thread about Time on one of the forums. It's a huge topic, but I wanted to distill down my thoughts and experiences of it. First things first. What does my direct experience tell me? It appears that there is an awareness (which I'll call "me" for argument's sake), experiencing a "something". That awareness is peculiar in that it has a kind of recursion built in: the awareness is aware of itself. The "something" I'll call appearances. Appearances is the stuff of awareness, it's all the possible sights, sounds, smells, feelings, thoughts and so on. So appearances covers the entire set of awareness experience; by definition there is nothing more than appearances. Ok, so much for definitions. Where do the appearances come from? To avoid a kind of paradox I say the appearances are spontaneous and unrelated to each other. This is effect without cause. This is completely different from the materialist "cause and effect" view, where matter affects matter in a long thread stretching back in time. The paradox with the materialist view, is that the thread must have an "ultimate cause" otherwise it would stretch back infinitely in time. The ultimate cause is the Big Bang. Where does the Big Bang come from? This becomes a meaningless question, the Big Bang is a given. The other problem with a cause and effect view, is that that long past is being inferred. The past is reconstructed from evidence in the present, it is intelligent guesswork and coarse grained. It is literally a story made up to fit facts. In my view the experience of awareness is primary, any thought story is happening in awareness not apart from it. To avoid any paradox, appearances come unbidden and randomly, de novo, and I become aware of them. Because there is no cause and effect, there isn't a long chain stretching back in time. There is no cause and effect. There is no long thread stretching backward or forward, there is no thread at all. In this sense Time doesn't have any extent whatsover, it has no dimension, it is a nothing. Something (appearances) comes from nothing at all (just like the Big Bang). What else is in my direct experience? Even though appearances are themselves random and disconnected, there appears to be a strong persistence to my experience. The persistence is a large counterbalance to the rush of appearances. This balance of chaos and persistence causes a kind of "flow" to awareness. This flow is what I am directly aware of as Time. More accurately the appearences happen at a certain rate and rythmn. Where does the persistence come from? Since awareness is aware of itself it has a kind of looping structure. This gives it a kind of memory of itself. That memory is what allows the awareness to persist and exist at all. If you were to cut that loop, it would collapse back to nothingness and stop existing. The source of all persistence in my awareness is actually awareness itself. The persistence can take any shape it likes. Note that the looping of awareness is not just a simple loop like a ring shape. It is fractal and all encompassing in nature. Because the looping is unrestricted, it is allowed to expand out and become any shape it likes. In this way persistence and self awareness invades every aspect of appearances. This persistence is by nature conservative and unchanging (in its existence), it is ever present and timeless. Persistence is what gives the world structure and patterning. Persistence is the source of your ego. Persistence is the source of all matter and energy. In fact the scientific conservation laws is just that persistence laid bare. Persistence is the platonic ideal. In a strong sense the world of appearances and the world of persistence are just two sides of the same coin - a duality. Because the persistence can take on any shape (appearance) it likes it does so. Persistence, and appearance are just the fractal manisfestation of awareness itself. Persistence, appearances and awareness are all one. Once the loop of self awareness is made, the rest of reality and time crystallises from it in an ever increasingly dense looping fractal. Awareness becomes deeper and deeper without end.

It depends on if you believe one should meditate on observing the monkey mind in such a way as to not be attached to it and to be aware of the present moment, experiencing moments of silence and sublime nothingness in the process Or if you wish to meditate on loving God A discord occurs if you try to mix them

@IJB063 I will try to answer your question about Nothingness. This topic is hard at first to grasp. Nothingness is when the mind cannot think of anything. It is indistinguishable and all that is is unified, since all is one isotropic in nature, relativity doesn't exist and therefore form doesn't exist. Emptiness, nothingness, are when a conscious being cannot project anything into existence because everything is itself. Now to come to the topic of the dimensions, you should treat all dimensions here as spatial ones and as @JosephKnecht says don't treat time as a dimension. Lets say we look at mathematical dimension with f(x,y,z,i,j,k)=x+y+z+i+j+k as function. This has 6 independent variables or dimensional planes of movement. What happens if we don't add time to this equation? It will stay at the fixed point that you put values for. E.g. f(1,0,1,2,1,5)=1+0+1+2+1+5=10 As you can see if time froze or was not variable then the reality of this function would exist but only at 10. Maybe this is the 'frame' of the big bang where time didn't exist or was not considered variable and indistinguishable. Then later on these spatial dimension did indeed receive an arrow of time. But this time variable is not a dimension, rather a force that is present at every dimensions inherent Identity.

Nothingness is an infinite isotropic field indistinguishable from itself. Isotropic adj. Identical in all directions; invariant with respect to direction. Having the same properties in all directions: said of a medium with respect to elasticity, conduction of heat or electricity, or radiation of heat and light. Having equal, common, or non-specific developmental capacity. Nothingness is the basis of origin of all what becomes. Unified oneness/the void/nothingness the ultimate fertile ground that holds infinite potential to create as time and space unfold mentally. When the mind is silent, empty of thought, one resides in nothingness and is truly present in what is. No imaginary projections what could be, not in motion, stationary truth that is ethernal.

@VincentArogya don’t think about nothingness right now, concentrate on awareness and letting go. Love will appear inevitably. Dont try to reach it. Just be silent, it will find you.

I feel It is getting clear, although intellectually. The characteristic of Love in the awareness was still present in the Nothingness of awareness. But, this hasn't been experienced spiritually and I hope that I don't anchor into concepts of Nothingness.

?Yeah I wonder what technology people in the future will come up with when we become much more conscious as a society. Stage Coral tech will be truly mind-blowing...haha Well of course it's not a perfect analogy, but Love could be seen as the life force itself that IS Consciousness so a good relation would be the Electromagnetic Force itself. As for Nothingness, What does Electricity exist as before you generate it? You could say that it's limitness potential in static form in a given materal. Again, not a perfect analogy but nothing in our reality is. ?

Where do nothingness and love fall in this analogy?

First, start with the logical certainty that unconsciousness cannot manifest in the first-person. There is no such thing as first-person unconsciousness. In the absence of first-person unconsciousness, all that remains is first-person consciousness. Or in other words, there can never be a moment when you're not having an experience. All that can change is the nature of that experience. That is true without end, and without beginning, and transcendental of time. It is simply not possible to experience a lack of experience. So when it comes to understanding who you are, there are clearly two parts: a part that is eternally constant, and a part that has the potential to change. The question is, which part should you identify with? The entire definition of identity is predicated on a constant, as there is no such thing as variable identity. Therefore, when looking for a true identity, it makes no sense to identify with anything other than a constant, and in this case the constant is the constant nature of your consciousness. Therefore the two parts of your being can be expressed in terms of both identity and state. Your identity is your eternal consciousness, and your current state is the particular incarnation of experience presently being experienced (commonly and erroneously known as personal identity). Clearly, given that consciousness is eternal, the nature of your true identity is eternal. Or in other words, your true age is infinity. You have never not existed. For that reason, there is no need for a creator. Consciousness doesn't have to be created by anything, simply because it is fundamental. It has no opposite. Death is merely the opposite of birth, not the opposite of life. Science and religion often makes the mistake of assuming that something came from nothing, but in reality there is no such thing as nothing, as there is always consciousness which has the imaginative potential to manifest anything. Consequently the starting proposition is false: Nothingness is not fundamental. Everythingness is fundamental. That is to say, you start with everything and simply work backwards. Life is an exercise in subtractive synthesis. We are not creating stuff, we are simply filtering stuff out. We start with an infinite block of clay (everythingness) and filter and filter and filter until we have a clay figurine. When the clay figurine dies, the clay does not turn back into nothing, but rather the surrounding nothing, turns back into clay. Comprehend all of that, and then just simply substitute the word Consciousness for the word God, and your Grandad's good to go.

Nothingness is uncreated, therefore eternal. This nothingness is a single dimensionless singularity which projects the reality upon the formless void, for the experience of the uncreated, so that creation can manifest itself. God is an eternal sacrifice.

Jesus will fight with Buddha about the meaning of GOD. Jesus: I am the SON of GOD! Buddha: No!!! God has no SON!!! GOD is just silence, nothingness...

I am reading his book now ("The Book of Not Knowing), this is NOT what he is saying! In fact, he is saying totally opposite thing. Why do you deny the illusory nature of our beings? If there is some level of illusion, aka intermingling of our thoughts, memories, feelings and sensations that comprise personality then it meant to be this way. Even if!!! it is not the true nature of the Self! Everything is correct, he is saying here that the true Self is nothingness, but it has nothing to do with actual experience. I feel like every person on this forum interprets teachings in the way he feels the most comfortable with. But sometimes we can be blindfolded with our interpretation! Hope I do not sound rude. <3

We have been debating over duality being an illusion for months now. It is an illusion, but it exists. Just like nothingness exists. Still love you bro. Like i said you are where you are and that's how it should be. I'm not trying to push anything on you. I'm just stating what i have become directly conscious of. What you are currently conscious of is what reality is to you. And that's perfect.

That's amazing. Think about it. If you divide by Zero, Math cannot make sense because every number is potentially every other number. Every number is unmanifested, every number is in perfect union with every other number. Division by Nothing, divided by Nothing. To make sense is to Divide, to manifest is to divide. Ignore that and you can have math, you can have manifestation, you can have every individual thing. But Divide by Nothing and you shall perish into Nothingness, because everything will become everything, which is nothingness. https://www.math.utah.edu/~pa/math/0by0.html As Leo said, Paradox is a feature, not a glitch. Of course all integers are equal, of course your whole number system will collapse if you truly embrace it fully. This is it's nature, the Illusion. It can only be upheld so long as you do not allow for Division by Nothing, Undividedness. You cannot escape the breadcrumbs, you can only deny them, as the mathematicians do. God = Division by Zero Look at this, it's just poetic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero Almost reads like a religious text if you ask me. Of course division by zero cannot be defined, because it is no thing.

Wouldn't the dream analogy be most accurate? An infinite imagined dream.A mind so smart it gets lost in itself forever. Manifesting as everything and everyone possible, talking to itself unaware it is doing so,it has forgotten it is this mind. It never truly wakes up too. Its nothingness so it keeps dreaming. Nowhere to go,nothing to do.

Infinite Singularity, nothingness.

You see that this nothing is aware perhaps there are other aspects to it? All aspects comes from nothing. After this there is no aspects. However, i am not even in the body, so contemplating with you (me) is a great contemplating. So i loved it. Because me (as body or words) and you are one aspects of infinite nothingness right now ❤️ I am just telling the truth thats it i am not telling yea i know it, there is no me in the body i am you thanks for great conversation. And this is just internal conversation of real self. Thats why i am you and james and everything

Yep. How can i see if i am not in the body? Thats what you call being experienced and experiencer at the same time, which only can be nothingness, which absolute thats why deflection. Experiencer and experienced things are identical.

Are there any other qualities? You don't have to answer me, but explore for yourself. Thats ok man. We are having fun There is nothing to explore. Because, Absolute includes all the qualities thats why it is nothingness

Exactly not even one, not even a blink damn right i cant explain it man. Impossible. Any word is not it. Ajata translates as “no creation”. This means to say that nowhere has anything ever come into being. Therefore, the entire universe (or universes) — and everything therein — has no reality. In other words, the ultimate condition is nothing, or nothingness. This is right now words only creates the duality or existence if you dont think nothing is happening

There is no word of it, any word doesn’t represent it. Because there is no you in the body truth is unknowing or not knowing. I can only tell you that infinite sleep but awake, but these are all words, because you are nothing (therefore everything) how can you know that word of awareness when you are nothing? (Nothingness is the formlessness and core, therefore it’s everything that something and nothing at the same time). Thats why no word represents it. You can ask me how i know, i am it man, specially in meditation as soon as i close my eyes there is me formlessness. So what is there? It doesn’t have any quality man it is nothing but aware. But when it is nothing how can you know word of awareness? Thats the state has no word represents meaning of nothing. Thats why you cant get it. But you are it. Just dont think anything, because there is no you to think something. You will get it. And i am not talking by my ego, because i am not even in the body man. We are not here and we think we are talking this is the funniest part, little little nothing is happening within complete nothingness:) I had 2 times glimpses with Mahasamadhi. (But that doesn’t mean i reach state of Mahasamadhi because if i reach, there will be me to write these messages ). If i am aware now and write these messages and aware of the body it is not Mahasamadhi. When you are state of Mahasamadhi you are not aware of anything. Infinite sleep but awake as nothing. Right now i am in Shamadi because i can still type you or aware of you. But nothing is happening here.