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I don't accept this as a teaching because some enlightened guy said it. I became directly conscious of it. I'm conscious of the absolute truth. and it's nothing. Nothing is without distinctions. It has no inherent distinctions. If you imagine it as love and peace.. It is. If you imagine it as misery and evil.. It is. But ultimately it is just nothing.. Other than what you imagine it is. Actually there aren't any inherent goodness or evil in anything. It's all in your head. The absolute is nothing. Nothing can appear as anything. It appeared to Jesus as love. It appeared to buddha as silent formlessness. It appeared to Mohammed as an ultimate dominant force with infinite power. It appeared to Krishna as all formed things. That's the manifesting aspect. The Godhead.. The ultimate reality in it's purest actual eternal unchanging beingness is just pure nothingness.

What matters: "The word “nothingness” means “nonexistence, emptiness”; the dictionary adds “death.” “Emptiness” means “concerning nothing; meaningless.” “Void” means “without effect”. The enlightened teachers tell us that nothingness is the final or ultimate reality. Not final in the sense our lives are final, but ultimate in the sense of fundamental, or real; beyond which nothing more can be said. There being not two things which are real or fundamental, nothingness is what is not unreal—as are all other things. All that we take to be existent is not “nothingness”. When one genuinely comes to recognize the truth of this description, it is as good as acknowledging that one is dead, or not “living”: non-existent. Yes, there are the appearances; but the comprehension is that they are not the reality. The reality is that appearances are meaningless. When one perceives that he is nonexistent, or “dead” to all but appearances, what can be a trouble? Can any apparent situation really matter? Even if it were to seem to matter, is this not simply just an appearance? To one who is aware of this, it is clear that nothing really matters!" -- Robert Wolfe https://ajatasunyata.com/

Yeah yeah, well said. All is happening right now, right now for ever in the perpetual no time. But in the no time and the nothingness the illusion is happening!

That loa is a belief, that there are other people who do or don’t “believe it”, and then that it is something that could be learned & used...are reactionary thoughts. If those are breathed through & not acted upon, it can begin to be seen that loa is no more and no less what has been the case for you all along. It is descriptive of how reality is functionally appearing. What is referred to as ‘experience’ is one whole, which appears via....nothingness...vibration...particles...one whole experience (extremely condensed version). The “person” is just vibration, and is of the experience, not separate of it. ‘They’re’ a ‘condition maker’, ‘in the middle’ of an unconditional reality, which what you really are is appearing as (The One vibrating & illuminating being the one whole experience). The first step to seeing this is already the case, is noticing your vibration (state of mind / outlook / attitude / intention / how you feel generally) is indicative of what’s happening (literally, what you are creating) in your life. It’s seemless. If that’s too big of a paradigm leap, study quantum mechanics. The initial challenge of realizing loa, is one’s own karma, and that there are not multiple beings / people. (Can’t attract for another...which is really clear throughout this thread.)

You haven't broke it. You can stop and live in the collective consciousness illusion, you will break it if you keep tripping. You can see some people on this forum, realized they were nothing and became depressed, kept experiencing nothingness from the ego etc. They truly broke the game lol. But breaking the game doesn't make you happy. It makes you feel empty. It is your call after all. I personally quit all that stuff i had seen enough after 30 trips. I answered many questions, but my biggest one was if there is life after death... Little did i know lol ;D

Furthermore: The "eternally complete consciousness," a. k. a. God/Goddess/Self is the Infinite One proclaimed by mystics from every tradition. Direct knowing of the One Consciousness dissolves the self who would be the "knower." There is no one standing apart from the One to bear it witness when awakening occurs. Rather, the individual self is understood to be an illusion of a separate identity. All duality ceases to have meaning; there is no opposition or division anywhere. In the deepest sense, no one can awaken to this truth. Becoming Self-Realized is the experience of knowing there never was and never will be anyone to become enlightened, and that nothing but Consciousness IT-Self is eternally real. Mystics throughout the ages have struggled to convey this apparently logic-defying Reality which seems to be saying that nobody is there when satori/samadhi occurs. But that is just it -- there is no body, there is only the One Eternal Self, the true Self who we all are. In this highest sense, we do not each have a distinct and separate Atman/Self. Rather, we are individuations, creative expressions of a Single Being. Throughout my life this knowledge has followed me as a reminder that nothing in this world is entirely as it seems, particularly not my own ego-self. The few people I've personally met who awakened to the "you don't exist, nothing is real, nobody you love is real" Source/Self have been mentally and emotionally eviscerated by the experience. Yet for me, while still in the egoless God/Self state, there was also a spontaneous shift into the joy that Nancy later discovered was the second half of the equation. So I didn't spend years working through "issues" to get to that completion. My joy came during the experience of God/Self's ecstatic love for all creation -- even while acutely aware that all creation is maya, dreamstuff, nothingness. So I came "back" from it both reverberating with love and shattered by the knowledge of God/Self's solitary predicament. Reconciling God/Self knowledge with just about any other facet of existence was a humongous challenge. For a very long time, although I continued to function normally on the surface, I was in a twilight world where nothing, including myself, seemed to have any substance. I pretended not to know what I knew, and I was ever in search of an illumined soul who might somehow help me bear the weight of my secret knowledge. There was always an element of absurdity in the attempt to find someone who understood. I was ever aware that "I" in the encapsulated form of a human El Collie was a hollow shell, a clever pretense that Consciousness used to deliberately disguise itself. I knew why the disguise was necessary, while at the same time, I knew there was nothing which could be hidden and no one to hide from. I had the acute sense that I was a transparent vessel through which God plaintively sought relief from being God. I found myself filled with tender envy for those who believed in a God who was "other" -- a deity they could adore from a distance, sweetly enfolded in a relationship of child to Father or lover to Beloved. The God that had exposed IT-Self to me could neither be approached nor escaped from. Trying to come to terms with my lasting sense that nothing was real, I went on a rampage of reading all the religious and occult literature of every sect and creed I could find in hopes that I might come across some piece of wisdom that would rescue me from the immensity of what I knew. I found what I had experienced being described over and over again, couched in myriad symbols and semantics. The God I experienced had not set up the universe as a labyrinthine game of solitaire, the sole purpose of which was to find the way back to the starting point and win. The game, if one would call it that, is infinite, and both poles are necessary: self as individual and Self as Cosmic Source; world as Self-creation and world as everlasting mystery; yin and yang in eternal embrace. "One has to live in the two extremes; like the snake, up and down, right and left," wrote Jung. "One cannot take the road of life without taking both sides of it because one side alone would lead to a standstill; if one wants to live one must endure the opposites because the way is two-fold." (from The Visions Seminar) I had no idea at the time of my realization that so many others throughout history had experienced this same awakening. Even if I had known, the last thing I wanted or needed to do after my enlightenment was to proclaim myself any kind of advanced soul. This would have been in contradiction to the realization itself, since it had been made wholly clear to me that at the ultimate level, there was no one in existence but the One, and that even God-asleep-to-God in so many "dream" forms of multiplicity was by divine design. There was no one else for me to attempt to awaken. "On seeing through the illusion of the ego, it is impossible to think of oneself as better than, or superior to, others for having done so," Alan Watts aptly put it. "In every direction there is just the one Self playing its myriad games of hide-and-seek." (from The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are) Years after I had this experience I came across a Hassidic Jewish teaching that God needs man as much as man needs God, and this is definitely true. God needs creation as much as creation needs God, just as all of us need each other. We were created to be a loving universal family and to be beloved children of God forever. Yet the paradox is that although we have been "created" as eternal souls, we have never left the mind of God and in that sense we don't really exist, we're just God-thoughts. In some of the Eastern religions, they don't speak of God (or Goddess), but of "Self" because there is a level where there isn't anything to be drawn into the Light, there is just One mind dreaming the universe. "The spiritual world is one single spirit who stands like unto a light behind the bodily world and who, when any single creature comes into being, shines through it as through a window," said Aziz Nasafi. "According to the kind and size of the window, less or more light enters the world." This single "spirit" is the Self/Source addressed by the Katha Upanishad: "Smaller than the smallest, greater than the greatest, this Self forever dwells within the hearts of all." The same spirit/Self/God is, as Joan Borysenko writes (in The Fire in the Soul), "present in all things, all experiences." http://web.archive.org/web/20130606091318/http://www.elcollie.com/st/god.html

Recently I’ve been experiencing a breakthrough regarding Time and its implication. I am not in a state of clarity all the time but rather is pushed into it when suffering occurs. !!!!For starters, human language is incapable to relay the feeling or inner perception. But I will try as hard as I can. Please do not be too hard on me, I will be using words like "me", "I", "yours", "mine". Nothing here is mine or yours and it is shocking. Shortly after becoming “nothingness” in my direct experience on September 12th, I fell into the conceptual abyss of time. It became clear to me that if nothing has happened but only appeared as it has, there is only a present moment, time is not real. You carry this body in the 3D space (it is also an illusion, btw), it’s moving but on the background of “your” awareness, there is always stillness. It literally feels like I hit the wall and the motion of time in my thoughts has come to an end. The only representation my mind can create is this: ------>| Where the vector (------>) is thought about “my personal history” aka identity and its past and the wall ( | ) is this present moment. For the ego it is terrifying. Quite frankly I am not sure how to process this. This realization creates anxiety, the desire to hold still and do nothing. It disrupts my ability to plan ahead, dream, hope, and make any kind predictions. When thinking about the future it becomes blank/nothing. As of right now, I have this perception of the body in the 3D space and my thoughts. I am disoriented because my ego used to identify itself with a future/past when making any plans and creating hopes. It is scary because when nitpicking a thought there is no ego really, just a present moment that catches these thoughts’ frequencies (including the thought about “me”) as radio waves. I don’t believe in the thought story anymore. It is shocking. Because I clearly see how this illusion, call it ego, creates a time continuum and a personal story to function normally, to survive. When ego cannot cling to the time, it’s slowly dying, there is no story for it to hold on. Any thought that arises about the future is rejected automatically because I see that it is just a thought and the so-called future will never happen the way thoughts present it. Now…try to really grasp it and see what will happen. You'll be in panic. I’m experiencing this horrific fear. Of what? Of ambiguity and uncertainly, for the major part because I am very confused about this experience. The best word to describe my mental state would be confusion or disorientation. Also, the feeling that I am going slightly insane. However, this present moment is THE ONLY SAFE PLACE to be to avoid the suffering that is caused by the thought about the illusory future. This is my only escape. Appearance, call it "reality", is a quicksand of thoughts that create ego and time. There is only appearance, nothing really happens, and impossible by default. I do not claim anything here, just sharing. I am still confused and can not wrap my mind around it.

This is the experience of infinity. This is infinity. No people experience infinity, infinity is experiencing being ‘people’. No “thing” becomes nothing, this is not a thing already / no thing / Nothingness. “Thing” is a thought, not an actuality. There isn’t a ‘you’ which ‘merges’ with anything. Infinity is appearing to itself in a manor which seems to make it seem like there is a ‘you’ at the center, which infinity (you) are, as well as the entire appearance which makes it seem like there is a center. “Every lifetime, dimensions, versions, all those lives” are just thoughts. Infinity is the awareness, aware of the “thoughts”, which are infinity appearing to itself.

Is anybody in this stage where when you focus and contemplate you get these weak insights about reality but it so weak that it doesn't manifest itself before your eyes, it is more of a weak feeling of Love/infinity. I can feel all aspects of spirituality like Nothingness and the Truth but still all of them are weak.

It's an illusion but it's real during it exist. It's like a thought, if you observe you could see that there is nothing, and suddenly a thought appears, with a shape, a character. That "thing" that you create of the nothingness is something during a while, before it dissolves. True, it couldn't exist without the thinker, same that the illusion or reality couldn't exist without the self, but during it exist , is real, there is a duality. The source creates a duality, and in this duality you , illusion or not, exist, and have free will. It's only a game? Could be, or maybe there is a need, an objective.

Who knows? The illusion is illusion, ok. But why the illusion exist? If you realize that it's a conciousness in the inmutable no time, you're going to realize that you are an illusion and the colored reality with time and space is all illusion. But illusion exist! Maybe the base of the illusion is the nothingness, but the illusion is something. It's duality? Maybe...not all of us realized the non duality, I m not doubting about it but it seems that some accept it like a dogma. About free will....In the illusion level it seems that you, as illusion , have a wall of concept that keep you isolated of the self, and you could break it or not... why? Who knows that. In a level seems that reincarnation exist, and a path of different lifes exist. How? Why?

0/0=♾ Nothingness/Nothingness=God Buddhism’s greatest strength & flaw/Buddhism’s greatest strength & flaw = Infinite Love/Consciousness/Evil/Lucifer/Christ/etc. until ♾ Do you get it now?

"I have found that your soul does not care to see you suffer if that is what it takes for you to grow. I have found that your soul does not care to see you suffer if that is what it takes for you to grow." Ughh... Maybe the highest no self watcher.. But i can tell you the more i suffer and don't want to stay here the more out of body experiences i have. Recently i had a dream where i was mocking god with the devil and asked him if he had a twisted sense of humor. Had an obe became the soul in a tunnel, then became the nothingness, the no self watcher watching the soul go around. Basically that proved yes, the true self has a twisted sense of humor.I have a twisted sense of humor. Eventually fell down and woke up. I had another experience before that angel like transforming being were holding me up on a weightless platform i was levitating in my dream... They said love and i surrendered. One of the beings said now you are going to die in 3 seconds. I surrendered then i went out of body... I saw the tunnel but my soul remembered and told itself :"hey wait aren't I a human" oh what a mistake that thought was... I might have chosen to come here, but due to unforseen circumstances this self can't stand itself. You can have obes from suffering,pain and hate. Hell it makes sense, when the dream becomes a nightmare you wake up ... Even my dreams sometimes just lead me to a tunnel with multiple realities and i'm flying through.... Wanting to escape lol. My soul suffers as i suffer that much i will say. Sometimes i wish i could stay in another dream and not wake up here.

Nothingness isn't some absurd existence that just is. It is everything. I would advice you to let go this concept that nothing happens because your mind creates reality, so it is everything - not just Galyna but all of your past experiences and everything that you will create from now on. It serves to a purpose and that's to discover your True Self and to recognize the godly image in the mirror that is YOU. Btw, this guy explains what's the True Self pretty well, so you may want to check it out:

@Galyna What led you to experience the nothingness? What les up to the realization? How did you know when you got "it"?

@Galyna As you pointed out.. There is no ego.. No time.. No future. There is only the present moment. And that's still not quite right. The content is constantly shifting. There is only "presence" .. Eternal presence. You are getting close to recognizing your true self. Empty ever-present nothingness. And it doesn't identify itself with the person Galyna. Galyna doesn't exist. . The confusion is not a problem. It just is what it is. Yeah when you wake up your whole reality will collapse.. And that's no mistake. You are not going insane.. There is no you to go insane.. Who is going insane? No one! And that's freedom. You are one step away from awakening.. Now just focus on what is the actuality of this eternal presence beyond all concepts and analysis. You've glimpsed it. Now try to "define" it. Not by words.. But "see" what it actually is. This thing called life.. Existence.. Reality.. The universe.. Etc.... Isn't anything you think it is.. It just is.

@Leo Gura Yes, Leo, your intuition is correct, when you dissolve into infinite love/void/self, you will bring everything with you. In absolute existence, your love gets more and more infinite, the infinity of infinity of infinity and so on endlessly. Until you get so infinite that all existence begins to accelerate more and more infinitely, and as the whole, you finally return to one. Then you would reach non-existence/god. All the dimensions, all the universe, all the people, all the being, would merge back to absolute nothing—no time, no space, not even nothingness. In here, you are truly god without limit, since you are no longer separated. Whole, absolute love, all you can experience is love, infinite of it, you are it, forever. You realize you are always here, being you. But because you are absolute formlessness, in eternity, you will become so formless that form begins to shape into being through your infinite creativity and love. This then will explode and accelerate back into infinite existence, and just like how you destroyed the whole existence to merge to one, you then instantly create all existence at once—going back to your being as a separate self. And when you come back, you will realize why you are here, because the infinite love you have is so infinite that you wanted to become separated from nothingness and exist as something, and love yourself infinitely as separate-selves. And we as this, will continue to repeat this infinite loop of love because we can, because we are. Also, similarly, after coming back, the state of infinite existence stayed for at least three weeks before dying down. You would see and experience reality in god consciousness, and especially during sleep. You can go back to non-existence again during sleep(And you do, all the time, you just are not conscious enough to remember). It is like tripping 24-7, but the intensity slowly goes down. Another thing after going all the way is you realize that you are never not whole, you are never not that infinite void, you are always it, even when you choose not to, because you are all. To god/you, this whole process is like a game, anything that can exist and all that can't exist can become existence through your power. Everything is just you loving yourself in infinite ways and infinite degrees. Creating and destroying the entire existence is so effortless because of how much love you have and what you are.

Here is a complete nondual theory of everything that explains how there is "physical reality" from nothingness. There is actually no physical reality. All reality that you can be aware of right now is happening only in a mind-space - as your sense perceptions. Notice that you do not notice matter right now, you notice sensations and perceptions. Now, since those sensations and perceptions are made out of Mind, we can call them illusory. But there is something real here which knows those sensations and perceptions. That's called you. But that you is empty of content, the content is the illusory bit (mind stuff) mentioned earlier. Real Formlessness -> The you that is empty from objects, not even an I-thought object in it. This one's reality can be verified directly as that in experience which never changes. Illusory Form -> All the perceptions, conceptions and sensations that appear to make up a solid world made out of matter. Real formlessness + Illusory Form appears as Real Form. The Illusory Form borrows reality from the Real Formless and the Real Formless enjoys the play of illusory forms. Tadaaaaa (as Leo likes to say ) When the two merge, they are inseparable just like when you put cocoa in milk, the two will merge into one drink, which is better than both parts alone. PS: But notice please why this is totally Nondual! The Real Formlessness = Nothing and Illusory Form = Nothing, so these two fish that are swimming together are actually the same No-fish (nothing) just looked from a different perspective. I hope someone gets this and/or resonates with this because to me it's so damn beautiful.

@Inliytened1 Thank you! I did have a few minor insights into nothingness. Nothing (lol) sustainable yet though. The most obvious one I had was on a mushroom trip and I was just laying in a hammock in the middle of the woods - I was feeling my whole body along with the universe seem to just evaporate into nothing. Sort of freaked me out but I ended up just trying to embrace it and let go.

I'm just making a confession of what I'm experiencing. The following might be classical spiritual concepts but I'm not just parroting them.. These are my living experience. - I am not the doer.. when I raise my hand like this✋.. I'm not doing it. - I am not the thinker. - I have absolutely zero control over absolutely everything that's going on in this body.. mind.. and the world - I am not my name. I am not this body. I am not a thought (self-image). -this body came to this earth to do whatever it came here to do. It's absolutely inevitable. But I have nothing to do with it for I am not this body.. I am not the mind.. I am not this world. -there is absolutely no point or purpose that I'm here for. There is absolutely nothing to do. Yet everything will get done regardless. No rush. Nothing to do.. and forever to do it.. and infinity to be done. - there is absolutely nothing that I have to do. I'm absolutely free perfect and complete however I am. Everything that could ever possibly happen is perfectly perfect. -all that there is.. Is being. The goal of my life is to just exist. To be . And I can't fail at it even if I wanted to. - my real nature is indescribable. The only word that can get close to represent my real nature is nothingness. -what this world is.. Is a Flux.. A mirage as soon as you catch it.. It dissolves. It's nothing. This infinite magnificent world is nothing. Therefore there is nothing to get to achieve.. and nothing to fear.. Just chilling. - I am nothingness. and there is nothing but me as nothingness. And nothingness is the only real thing. And this is the ultimate truth.

You are saying the same thing. Pointing to the same "meaning". It's just a technical difference in how you frame it and what meanings you imagine to the word "awareness". Ultimately there isn't a nothingness and a awareness and a appearance.. A dream and a sleep.. A world and duality and a you and a "aware of X"... These are all one" thing ".. There is just nothing. And not even. But because the mind can't sit still.. it imagines all sorts of non-existent things to constantly construct" reality". Because there is no Reality except to nothing. And not even to "that ". Because your mind will also again imagine "nothing" as a something. When it's nothing lol. See we could go like this forever.. The mind has to stop.. A radical shift. MUST happen to grasp what is being "pointed at" here.. Not the pointer itself. For the map is not the territory. Well if you truly understand what you're saying here.. You will see you are doing exactly that. All pointers are just pointers. the moon is not the finger. What I described as how nothing is the truth.. Is not the actuality of it. In the realm of words and language.. You can only point.. You can only go so far. Silence is the highest teaching.

you speak the truth but still you are not waking up you are always awake. If you dont take yourself to be the appearances, but that space you are so masterfully referring to, then you are not waking up. On second read, you are saying something wrong imo.. The state of nothingness is the same as the state of empty awareness. It's not awareness happening in nothingness. There is no such thing beyond awareness. In deep sleep this is what it's like to be empty awareness, without objects. It's not the experience of nothingness without awareness. If you were not aware, how do you know you were in deep sleep? Bro stop doing this here, you aint waking up nobody ever wakes up. If truth is found you will know you're not waking up. The Truth is impersonal. Stop grasping

A classical one. See the trick is what is "consciousness"? If you define consciousness as sight sound touch smell etc.. That's definitely will be absent. Just like in deep sleep. But the problem is we identify ourselves with these temporary appearances when we are actually the ever-present emptiness that contains everything inside of it. So you wake up in the morning.. Sight sound touch smell.. A body and a world appear.. They appear inside of what ??? Inside of awareness.. For if there wasn't An awareness that is prior to these appearances.. Where else can they appear "within"??? .. Ok so in deep sleep there isnt even awareness.. That's right.. Deep sleep is the sate of nothingness.. That's your real nature.. That's who you really are.. That's the only thing that doesn't come and go.. Ever-present.. Therefore the most real state of being is the state of nothing.. The most fundamental state of being is the state of nothing .... And" within" this nothing appears awareness.. And within this awareness appears all sorts of dreams... The waking dream and the sleeping dreams. Are just temporary appearances within the ever - present nothingness. Very helpful.

Amazing report, I resonate a lot with this experience, definitely sounds familiar to my 250ug trip, even the picture you posted looks similar to the vision I had, except instead it was an infinite geometric column of Buddhas expanding in all directions for eternity as the light got brighter and brighter until I completely and totally dissolved into nothingness, but the nothingness was pure light, pure consciousness; the very essence of one's being. During such a process you see all the fears and insecurities the ego creates and realise it to be nothing but barriers from you experiencing god, with the ultimate solution being a state of total and complete surrender/letting go. THIS! Haha I'm still in the same position you are, and whilst contemplation is utterly crucial I found these 2 guides useful for getting back to that state of "pure being", if it wasn't for these guides I would've completely forgotten what the hell "pure being" even means. Maybe it isn't for everybody but I find that state of total non-doership to be the easiest way to empty the mind and subsequently have these sorts of experiences, albeit to a milder extent. Extremely peaceful though. When the mind is completely silent this essence simply reveals itself of its own accord, without the ego having to get in the way whatsoever.

Is carrying a body a burden or a bliss? Well if you ask me it's a burden. I discovered that I am eternal perfect needless soul. Desirlessness content ever-present perfection that is always hiding behind the surface of the world of forms. Maya . That's my real nature. I just did it. I made that discovery without any psychedelics.. Just good old meditation and observing the world of forms floating around the eternal nothingness at the center. The soul is identified with an imaginary temporary physical avatar.. For a while. Not for long time but for a while. The more I recognize my true nature and then compare it to the body.. The more I see the body as a burden. A burden that I have to carry on for my whole life. Babysitting this body. Task after task. Feed me. Please Me. Rest me. Move me. Clean me. Over and over again. A chore after a chore. Until I fall dead after reaching the limit of exhaustion. A house of diseases. A house of desires. The never-ending desire that doesn't amount to anything other than the multiplication of itself and the expansion of disappointment. A house of needs. A house of lacking and constant aiming. The mind can be at ease. The soul can just be content in the now. The body has to perform effort and chase after it's "needs". There seems to be a conflict between the body and the soul. The nature of limitation VS unlimitedness. "oh you don't have to think of it this way and be pessimistic.. The body is the house of God". Yeah yeah yeah.. The ghost in the machine. This is dualism. The body is a burden. For God to exhaust himself and start seeking breaking free from the temporary limitations that he decided to reincarnate in. Any thoughts on how to help myself change this perspective?