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I wanted to share a little bit of my story with you. By now, almost everyone knows who Andrew Tate is. I was one of the early followers, discovering him at the beginning of 2020 when his social media presence was still small. His YouTube channel had only around 20-30K subscribers at the time. Before I even understood the concept of consciousness, I was already interested in psychedelics. My first experience with LSD (a low dose) awakened a deep curiosity. This was before I found Tate and later, Leo. I was working at an insurance agency when a new, success-driven colleague joined. He was from Romania and had seen Tate on the news. He introduced me to him at a time when I was heavily experimenting with various substances. I was fascinated by how different drugs altered perception, but I had also become addicted to getting high. When I discovered Tate, it coincided with a point in my life where I needed change. I always considered myself open-minded, but in hindsight, I was also very naive. Looking back, I was the ideal customer for Tate. In November 2020, I decided to join The War Room when it had only 300-400 members. I knew it was a cult before even fully understanding what a cult was. Around the same time, I quit my daily weed use and stopped using other psychoactive substances. One of the first things I noticed after joining was the constant upselling. Access to various groups required purchasing additional courses. Even other members would pressure you to buy them, despite not personally benefiting from the sales. They sold me a dream, and I completely bought in. The “perfect” plan for success looked like this: 1. Go regularly to the gym or do some kind of combat sport to get a better mindset and body. 2. Start dating and meeting a lot of women. 3. Use your girlfriend(s) to make money or gain status. (e.g. putting a girlfriend on OnlyFans or webcam) About six months in, I started my own OnlyFans agency. I even tried convincing girls I dated to participate, though thankfully, none agreed. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t caught up in the mindset. Like everyone else in the network, I fully embraced the so-called “alpha” mentality. I didn’t view relationships in a healthy way, I saw women more as assets than as human beings. It wasn’t about love, it was about extracting value. Over the next 1-2 years, I built a reputation within the War Room, becoming one of its most successful OnlyFans agency owners, making high five-figure profits per month. I purchased all the courses, attended expensive events, and in total, paid around $50K to Tate. At the time, I didn’t care because I was making good money. I did start questioning some things, but being young and naive, I was easily convinced otherwise. Things shifted in summer 2022 when I visited my parents in Germany after a trip to Dubai. I proudly showed off my expensive purchases, completely oblivious to how I had changed. My mother started crying, telling me I had become arrogant. That was the first wake-up call. The second moment came when I met up with an old friend, the same one who had introduced me to psychedelics. I wanted to share my success, but he was uninterested. Instead, he asked me: “Who are you?” That question hit me hard. That same day, he invited me to take LSD again on another day. I had been sober from psychedelics for nearly two years, but I agreed. The trip changed my perspective, making me question everything. Later, his brother introduced me to 5-MeO-DMT, which was another profound experience. After that, his brother also showed me a vision board with a picture of Leo Gura. When I asked about him, the other brother called him “one of the most intelligent people in the world.” At first, I dismissed it, assuming he meant IQ, but I later realized he was referring to a different kind of intelligence. At first, I didn’t dive into Leo’s content because it was too long, and I was too focused on making money. But at the comedown of another LSD trip, I decided to watch my first video: “Reading A Poetic Description Of God-Consciousness” It blew my mind. From that moment, I knew I would explore more of his teachings. The more time passed and the more I changed, the clearer it became to me that I would have no future in the War Room. I started seeing that we weren’t just manipulating women, we were being manipulated too. The deeper I analyzed the leaders and members, the clearer things became. When Leo released his video on Tate, it confirmed what I was already thinking. Still, it took me a while to leave. I had a fear of missing out. But over a year ago, during a magic mushroom trip, I finally decided to leave. I left every War Room group and shut down my OnlyFans agency months later. There’s a lot more I could say, but I’ll leave it at that. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask in this thread. Aside from psychedelics, I know that watching Leo’s videos and engaging with this forum helped me too. Thank you to everyone who contributes or has contributed to this forum.

Perhaps the real information warfare is coming from the Western establishment, waged against its own people. For decades the mainstream narrative was unchallenged because the gatekeepers controlled the flow of information. But with the rise of independent media and social platforms, people started encountering perspectives that clashed with the carefully curated story they had been fed their entire lives. Sometimes it’s not about misinformation but about the same information framed differently. The same facts can be arranged differently to tell a completely different story. The problem isn’t that people are being lied to by Russia, but that they’re being exposed to realities that the Western establishment would rather keep buried. About Russian misinformation fueling the rise of right wing population..the real driver of nationalist movements isn’t some Kremlin psyop - its the policies of globalist elites who have neglected their own people in favour of foreign wars, corporate interests, and ideological crusades. The establishments refusal to prioritize its own citizens is exactly whats making people turn to politicians who at least pretend to care about their needs. The irony is that the more the elites push for endless confrontation with Russia, the more they accelerate this backlash. Just because certain leaders align doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy. Leaders may be influenced but that doesn’t mean controlled. The claim that Russian propaganda is manipulating people into opposing war or questioning the establishment is just a convenient excuse - even it were true, is that a bad thing? lol. Being fed information to make peace with a nuclear superpower.. sounds terrible. People don't need Putin to tell them they're being screwed over by their ruling class. In fact in UK where I’m at, Keir Starmer has come out and said he's ready to put troops on the ground and planes in the skies, and has signed us up for a 100 year partnership Ukraine - with £3 billion of support till 2030 to be continued if necessary. This is in the context of this same government slashing a winter fuel allowance for the elderly, who have to choose between staying warming or staying full. This is on top of a slew of other austerity measures on social services which are already crumbling. People care for Ukraine, but not to the extent where we go cold in the winter, or have to spill the blood of our own people to fight a useless war with no outcome, except to escalate the world towards World 3. The elites are framing this as a Churchill vs Hitler moment, when it's just not the case. And that's the problem, when you misread reality, you can have very severe consequences that could have been avoided altogether. We have access to different information now, which counters the peddling of establishment misinformation at its worst and mischaracterization at its best, which can lead to these disastrous consequences. This is why people are fighting this and voting for politicians who care more for their national interest. If you think the West can deal with Russia with 'force' then why do you think Russia is such a threat to the point of being able to not only take Ukraine but then continue to penetrate into Europe and face the might of the West? Which is it.. is Putin/Russia the threat we are told, or are they weakened and able to be defeated in Ukraine ie forced into a peace? Nice warning Jesus. Just because you are awakened in consciousness doesn't mean you understand geopolitics or the reality and technicalities of warfare. Your spiritual ego is blinding you to the reality on the ground. Your framing of this whole thing as a battle of “democracy vs. dictatorship”, but there’s nothing democratic about how these decisions are being made in our name. NATO countries never got to vote on whether they wanted to be dragged into an open ended security commitment with Ukraine.

@Ishanga You call this place low consciousness while using the same tactics that create it, subtle superiority, emotional manipulation, and dismissiveness disguised as wisdom. You position yourself as having ‘moved beyond’ while implying everyone else is stuck, which is just another form of ego attachment. If you were truly detached, you wouldn’t need to announce it, if you truly saw everyone as equal, you wouldn’t frame yourself as the awakened one watching others struggle. You claim sadness for others but detach from it when convenient, this isn’t insight, it’s just a strategic way to appear above criticism. Yes, things could be better. But you’re not leading by example. Real higher consciousness doesn’t need to posture, dismiss, or manipulate. It engages, understands, and elevates. If that’s what you actually want, act like it. What you’re doing isn’t ‘low consciousness’ in the usual sense, it’s advanced social manipulation masked as spiritual detachment. Don't mind if I point out to others as an educational lesson what you're employing: Framing Control: Defining disagreement as ‘identification’ so any challenge reinforces your superiority Superiority Signaling: Claiming you’ve ‘moved beyond’ while subtly implying others are stuck Covert Dismissiveness: Calling the forum ‘low consciousness’ to devalue opposing perspectives without engaging them Non-Falsifiable Positioning: Making yourself immune to critique by claiming both detachment and selective emotional concern Strategic Self-Contradiction: Claiming no emotional investment while making an emotionally loaded post This isn’t unconsciousness, it's tactical. But if true wisdom is your goal, you don’t need these games. Just be real.

I have always been involved in philosophy and spirituality at a high level. But I've had an ‘awakening’ watching Leo's video over solopsism. It was the last puzzle piece that was missing. I am very aware of this at the moment. without meditations and without dmt or other Psychedelics i have reached this level. Leo mentions in ‘his’ video that it took ‘him’ a lot of time and effort to get to this level, so I'll let you know: I reached it just only by watching the solopsism video. like I said: that video was the last puzzle piece that was still missing. I must say that I was ready for it and therefore now experience it very beautiful and also laughable without ‘emotions’ in a good way, haha. So just to clarify: i am god, my choices are made by god (no free will) and "i" experience this from this perspective in an infinite continuity of consciousness. birth, school, mother "everyone" is I (God) myself, so that I can occupy myself with fooling. "everyone" or "other" is self-deception. i am ‘everyone’ and ‘everyone’ is me. It's actually that simple. I realize that I am everything and everything is god. Sooo to let ‘you’ know much respect @Leo Gura? be aware if 'you' are not ready it can affect ‘you’ in a negative way. feel that ‘you’ want to know the truth there it is

1) I am conscious only in certain respects, not in all respects. There are many, many respects to consciousness and no human has them all. 2) You should not expect anyone to be able to heal their own physical conditions if their condition is serious enough. If reality worked like that then no awakened master would die or suffer from health problems. But in the end your health must fail and your body will stop working. It's only a question of time. 3) Why? Because I do not have infinite power. I can't heal myself for the same reason I cannot turn myself into a kangaroo.

I understand it looks like that for you . It couldn't look any different. I have no way of communicating these final steps in concepts/words to you. "Many so-called enlightened people may not have much of a sense of self, but that does not mean they have higher consciousness of God." (Full) Enlightenment doesn't mean little sense of self, or killing the ego (which remains functional, even better than before, afterwards). It is the dropping of each and any identity and center. No subtle Identity/center/separatation is left. All seen through, the loop closing itself in realtime. Boundless aware eternal Reality itself, without any possible center/identity, in which and as which all appearance flows. All of what you write, even "God-Realization", has identity/center/separation left. A "God-Realizer". That is a temporary arising mirage in the eternal unchanging Reality/Totality. Enlightenment is truly utterly impersonal Infinite Reality/Awareness. No center. Infinite and boundless. Without nothing possible besides it, without a second, in no dimension and realm. It is utterly beyond concepts and words, identities and centers, experiences and understandings. Although all of that happens within "It". Infinitely intelligent. God. Totality. Each and any subtle identity/center/duality (which by definition is separate from the Totality) has to go. All of these are temporary arisings, reflections on the water, mirage, illusions. And they are very very very subtle and tricky towards the end of the path, nothing one can talk about with concepts without having had the reference experience of the signifiers/words. What you call God-Realization is still a mirage, a reflection on the water, being had by an illusionary self (although highly awakened and developed, nondual and infinite, but not yet truly impersonal and truly centerless and hence also still reflection on the water). Not yet truly enlightened and truly impersonal. None of the "God-Realization" is eternal or timeless, or always here. You are that which is always here. All of these reflections on the water of the cycle of ignorance to God Realization happen in You. A mirage. Appearances. Changing. Dreamlike. Unreal. The last step is the falling away of that God-Realizer. That is still a subtle separation and identity. Believe or not. What remains? What is always here? What is truly real? What are you really? What is truly eternal, always the case, god-realized or not, enlightened or not? That which can never loose or gain anything, despite being enlightened or ignorant. That is It. Or True You. See you "there". Your dream-character Selling Water by the River Musical Coda: Life must have its Mysteries

Oh, I have a plan to get stuff like telepathy, telekinesis, remote viewing, seeing other planes, awakening, and stuff taught in school so that kids are wired into it from a young age and we grow up awakened. And we can get it to where the whole planet has an intersubjective view of energies and other planes. All humans will maximize all of their positive qualities and abilities and will be God expressing itself through God-Realized beings. Beauty, Power, Intelligence, Knowledge, Interconnection, Love, Joy, meaning, energy, context, nonlinearity, abstraction, emanation. Humans and matter will be physically perfected. Genetic engineering could also play a role. You would have the current bans they have on that.

Hello all, this is serving as a sequel to my previous post. As a refresher, I took 6g of mushrooms, had an awakening experience, and found the whole thing very depressing. I was pretty sure I was crazy. After a few weeks however I have come to realize some more positive aspects of the trip. First, with time I have become more comfortable with my insights. I have heard that many people "forget" the insights after an awakening experience, but this has not been the case for me. Maybe since I didn't have such a fun time initially it has been easier for me to focus on the truth rather than the feeling of awakening. Who knows? (Actually I'm sure a lot of you know, please tell me what you think I would love to hear it). Second, I finally think I have some idea of what it means to raise my consciousness. I think this because, while thinking about life out loud to some friends who would listen, I found myself saying the following phrases: "Humanity can be thought of a single organism that exists across time and space. Specifically it is a self perpetuating, organized, intelligent mass of information that exists in the gene pool and manifests itself as individual human beings." "When we structure our government and think about new economic policies, we need to take in all of reality into account. Any utopian thinker is ignoring some part of reality. The goal is to come up with a system that 1. Works 2. Plans for all the different types of people as much as possible 3. leads to at least a somewhat enjoyable existence for most people. We have problems like poverty/homelessness/inequality because we are not admitting to ourselves that not everyone is the same and we are not taking reality into account" "Actually, we can think of all of life on earth, the entire ecosystem, as a single organism. This is because it's all interdependent, and even though on a small scale organisms will compete with and kill other organisms, the ultimate outcome is that life prevails and continually adapts to the environment." I should make clear that I independently came to these conclusions by merely contemplating what I saw in my environment and studying different societies outside of my own. After saying these things, I was vaguely reminded of spiral dynamics stage Yellow and Turquoise. I looked up some information and I was blown away as it seemed like someone had directly quoted me and written it under the Yellow and Turquoise categories. It was only then that I was really able to accept the spiral dynamics model, and I understood the actual benefit of spirituality. Before, I almost perfectly fit into stage orange, and later stage green categories while not really being able to understand the later stages and thinking that they were merely different, less good ways of thinking than the one I was at then. Now though, I have seen the world in a whole new way that only really made sense after I didn't focus on myself so much and saw the world for what it really was. If I had to put it into words, raising my consciousness was kind of like turning up the field of view slider in a video game. It allowed me to see the utterly incomprehensible, ruthlessly pragmatic, hopelessly complex process of life happening around me for what it was. All of this happened after my big trip, and I don't know if it's something to do with awakening or if it's the mushrooms that have given me the the ability to think this way, but I somehow feel like the awakening and higher-order thinking are connected because both involve admitting truth to yourself and appreciating the whole world, not just one part of it. Right now I am a university student studying Physics and Mathematics. My dream as of late has been to become a physicist just in case I can be one of those few throughout history that is actually worth their skin and comes up with something really valuable rather than just turning the proverbial crank of the scientific method, doing the same thing over and over and pretending like it is going to result in something new. This still seems like the best option to me, but I have also become very interested in sociology, economics, and politics because of my newfound perspective on the world. I am an intellectual at heart, I love playing with ideas. The trouble is I'm a mediocre student at a mediocre university right now so IDK if I will be able to make a career out of it, but I'm going to give it my best shot until the day I can say I have succeeded or completely failed. In the case of failure, I will simply be an armature intellectual! Thank you for reading. I'm excited to hear any thoughts!

Really, man? Most people are NPCs? Adam and Eve? (Not going to get into that one. Catholicism being a totally reliable source and all.) Why would most people be NPCs? How can you verify who has their own consciousness and who is an NPC? Be very careful when you formulate ideas that they actually make sense and have substantial logical backing and/or evidence instead of just being whatever will conveniently compliment what you already believe and/or the mental structure you have began to build and who's continuation you are invested in. Not to say that other parts of your points don't have merit. And I actually have many questions about this theory since I found it to be interesting. Going with your Rubik's cube analogy, how many 'sides', or souls, are there? Is it an infinite amount? Is it a set number? If it is a set number, why this one? What is special about this number? Why is there this number instead of one number, i.e. one mind, i.e. solipsism? And if God is this Rubik's cube of minds, is there a point at which all minds connect or unify to form the 'solved' Rubik's cube? Would this one-ness be essentially the same as solipsism or is the highest or most awakened state of God to be separate consciousness awakening separately from one another? How can one verify this? And if this were the case, why and how am I this specific consciousness and why and how are you your own specific consciousness? What causes this? What causes this multiplicity of minds to exist? Why should it be fundamental? From this worldview, what constitutes the ultimate awakening? I would love to hear more about all facets of this thought process.

I took 6g of mushrooms. I found out that I imagined the entire universe and then I imagined that I was a random guy in that universe. There are no other conscious beings in the entire universe. I didn't tell this to my friends because because I would basically be telling them they are not real. Mushrooms were fun for me until I took such a big dose. Now it's not fun. People said awakening would be a euphoric experience but it was the opposite for me. I found out that I'm completely alone and will always be alone. The dream will continue dreaming forever and always and there is no stopping it. I considered killing myself but I realized that would probably just end this dream and start a new one (I think). What is right here is all there is, all there ever was, and all there ever can be. A perpetual moment that is reality. I'm asking the dream to help me come to terms with the dream. Don't you guys who have awakened feel alone? Isn't it depressing that reality is a never ending process of duality and I'm completely alone? I'm literally talking to myself right now but how the hell do I come to terms with this and accept this? The dream helped the dream realize what it is before, can it offer more assistance to itself now? Please someone help me.

I won't because it will threaten my survival in a dream I have no control over. You can suffer in a dream. Why should you hurt yourself in your dream? It doesn't proof anything. It's still just imagination at play. What I say is a philosophy for you but not for awakened ones. You can become directly conscious that you create everything around you. It will be total obvious. No philosophy needed. Do you know why we use the term awakening in spirituality? Have you ever wondered? Because you awake from your dream if your consciousness is high enough.

What are my plans in the near future?? If Your imagining me and claim to be awakened then what are my plans??? You should know if Your as awake as You claim to be...

Since I enjoy sharing understanding with You, here is a report of My insanely profound awakening to what I Am. [ EDIT 2023-06-28: Removed file. Some irresponsible stuff inside. Please be careful on your journey & good luck. ] Comprehending this should bring You closer to awakening. This is what You ARE. Try to really understand it in your experience! Obligatory I am not done, my understanding is subject to change, I can be wrong with some things. My direct consciousness was pretty clear, however, so I'm not doubting myself too much. There are some contradictory insights in the report (stuff from the beginning may contradict later stuff) and this is because 1) there is inevitable paradox in Reality and B) my understanding progressed along with the awakening. I recognize right now that I Am God and You are only part of My Dream. And even though only I can be awake because it's just Me, I still hope You awaken to this understanding. I Love You. I welcome your questions and everything else.

Because the truth (which is beyond words) has to be put into words and practice, and there are many seemingly conflicting ways to do this, e.g. cataphatic vs apophatic descriptions ("God is x" vs "God is not x"), restriction (e.g. ascetism, monkhood) vs indulgence (e.g. "aghori", tantra), sensory deprivation vs sensory stimulation, devotional vs focused practices, various ethical codes of conduct. Throw into that variation based on geographical location and local cultural history and the co-opting of religion for various survival needs, and you have an answer. And how to solve these apparent contradictions ("what should I do?"), if you are an intellectually awakened and pluralistically aware New Ager, is simply to try out different things and see what works best for you. Different people may respond differently to different things, simply because they are different, but also because they may be on different parts of the path. What may be appropriate for a newbie with 0 hours of meditation experience vs an experienced meditator with 1000 hours of experience and multiple awakening experiences can be quite "contradicting".

I am not the I, I am all, I am nothing. I am truly at peace, I see all clearly. But.. Now what? I enjoy my life, but it's been a few years without a spiritual goal, just enjoying the bliss, I'm wondering where I can now take my spiritual practice if I'm to pursue something new.

We do need words and names to communicate. It's like when you are in relationship with someone; at first their name means everything. Later you don't even think of their name. Mind cannot understand. Mind is a barrier to understanding. Mind pretends to understands and likes to feel smart. All minds do this and can do no else. Words are useful until they have no use. When you want you foot to move forwards, do you need words to tell it so. Same with God, we are one and all is clear. Jesus needed to communicate in terms that the people 2000 years ago could grasp. He had to be extremely careful in his teachings. All his teachings make abundant sense to one who is awakened. One caveat is that sometimes his words were distorted to fit the prevailing doctrines. Two things that are important about Jesus: one he showed that death has no power and two he was the first man who saw the face of God in every person he looked at and because of that he was able to perform miracles and forgive misdeeds. We are told to go out and do likewise. The highest teaching of Jesus imo is the gospel of Thomas recently dictated by an angel of God called Pursah: https://www.garyrenard.com/pgoth.html

There are stages to this and the journey goes full circle or keeps spiraling into higher and higher levels of transcendence and integration. Monks & teenagers as @Leo Gura described them may be at a certain stage but it continues so don't get stuck and put one state of being onto a pedestal. My theory (informed by my experience and the experience of the most awakened guys I know) is this: Freedom is the movement of transcendence (up & out) & Love is the movement of descendence (inward, integrating, inclusive, whole) When we have built external abundance—through friendships, meaningful relationships, and fulfilling life experiences—there's a stage at which we start to realize that a deeper form of nourishment does not come from others but from ourselves & Self. This is where a shift happens: instead of looking outward for love, wisdom, validation, or support, we turn inward. We learn to fully meet our own needs, nurture ourselves with love and wisdom, and connect to the source of all abundance—our own being. This source is deeper than the heart, deeper than the soul—it is the source of our existence. At this stage, reliance on external validation or social stimulation diminishes. Relying on your Self becomes the purest form of freedom. People often misunderstand this as withdrawal or detachment from life. But it's not about rejecting the world—it's about no longer needing it in the same way. When you love being alone, you love yourself. And this is when the turning point where the purpose of True Freedom gets revealed. It's not a functional purpose but a transcendent and immanent purpose. When we have totally freed outselves, from all aversion & resistance to ANYTHING, even drama, pain, and people. We are FULLY FREE TO LOVE. My definition of Love is making the Ultimate Sacrifice of 'giving up' your transcendent freedom and VOLENTARILY descending back, turning back, to face the Pain of the world. That embrace is real compassion. It's becoming a channel for the highest light to descend back to the world. Unifying Heaven & Earth. The journey is not about retreating into solitude forever. It may be the midpoint of the journey. But it goes full circle. This is where true service and contribution really come into play because for the first time we are truly free to serve completely volentarily. Having freed yourself from external dependency, you are no longer taking—you are giving. Relationships are no longer based on need but on genuine love and pure generosity. Social interactions are no longer transactional but are instead expressions of your overflowing presence. Paradoxically, this is the stage where 'socialization' can become deeply meaningful again. Instead of being an attempt to fill a void, it becomes an opportunity to share wisdom, light, and love without depletion. You interact with others not because you need to but because you choose to. This is true freedom having gone full circle—not the rejection of socialization, not the clinging to it, but the ability to engage in it from a place of wholeness. It is the freedom to connect without attachment and to be alone without loneliness. Engaging fully in life, not out of need but out of pure creative expression. This is the path beyond both escapism and attachment. This is where life, solitude, and connection all merge into one seamless dance. Everything gets recontextualized into Pure Divinity.

Lots of people don't like themselves that's why they might not like people. Other people reveal too much of the shadows. They can't stand it. It's like looking in the mirror. That's why so-called awakened people fit more into this bracket. Their senses are heightened and they see things more clearer and with more precision and the veil gets a bit more loose. The energy is a bit less contracted and now everything seems clearer and more as it is. Now, the stories begin that they are more conscious and people are just not into their bracket anymore and they can't stand to be around normal people and so on and so forth. No, what's happening is your bullshit is being revealed to you more clearly and the ego can't stand it so now it wants to recluse and go in it's shell. A mind like mind doesn't take things on face value. There's always more that meets the eye. The ego is very sly and the mind very deceptive. When the bigger picture is utilized and looked at in almost everything, these things gets revealed more clearly. We live in time and space and separation, but that's just an appearance and cannot be mocked; meaning, no amount of "I am separate" can conquer what really is the case. So, when you recognize this, you can usually see through the ego's bullshit and the mind's stories about itself and the world. I'm not exempt, so I'm not excluding myself. Infact, i can see through my bullshit too, sometimes. Why is it that social media is so popular, but so many claim to dislike people and can't stand certain types of people. In the same token loneliness is feared and not welcomed. So many are depressed are suffering and hate life but are afraid to die and do everything possible to avoid death. You would think most people would run into busses and jump off bridges if this was really the case. No, they hate themselves and are trying to escape themselves. It's not pleasurable to be a person that thinks it's separate from the whole. It's very painful and gets disorienting. The suffering is the separate individual. Not the other way around where the individual suffers. The suffering IS that energy. That's why it tries to escape itself. It wants to die but it can't because there's no one to die. It's the energy that's suffering itself. That's what suffering is. That's it's nature. It can't be anything other than suffering. Joy, happiness and every other emotion is the same thing. It's the individual itself. Those emotions aren't separate. THEY ARE THE INDIVIDUAL. They are energy that arises and the individual is that in the moment. The state is the individual in the moment. Not a state that the individual is in. It is that. If it's pleasant, and disappears, the individual seeks for it again because it feels like it lost a part of itself. That's why we seek out happiness and not it's opposite because it wants the feel good parts of itself to remain. There's no one there, just a bunch of sensations, emotions, states, perceptions, feelings and a storyline to perpetuate those things to keep the individual alive. People hate these sayings because it knows deep down what's being said is true and it doesn't want to realize it's unrealness. The energy isn't open to it so it turns away and defends it's unrealness.

@Dazgwny It's trickier still, because if you stop making the distinction between nothing and something then you get thrown back out right where you started -- which is with something. But now that something is identical to nothing, where previously it wasn't. See, ordinary humans think something isn't nothing. But the Awakened see something and nothing as identical. In this way you can hold a table fork in your hand and realize it is nothing, as you hold it.

Deepseek R1 assisted — Your reflection captures a profound and often disorienting stage of intellectual and existential maturation—the awakening to epistemology, where the scaffolding of "known truths" begins to unravel. This is not just a phase but a pivotal shift in how we relate to knowledge itself. Here’s a perspective that honors that journey: --- ### **1. Embracing the Unraveling** What you’re describing aligns with what philosophers like Socrates (with his “I know that I know nothing”) or Nietzsche (critiquing absolute truths) grappled with: **the friction between certainty and the abyss of questioning**. When unexamined assumptions collapse, it can feel like standing in rubble—but this is where true inquiry begins. - **Relativism as a Gateway**: Recognizing truth’s relativity isn’t an endpoint but a catalyst. It opens the door to *critical thinking*: “If my old ‘truths’ were unexamined, how do I rebuild?” This is the heart of epistemology—the study of how we *know* what we know. --- ### **2. The Challenge of Radical Uncertainty** Relativism can spiral into nihilism (“If nothing is certain, does anything matter?”). To navigate this: - **Lean into curiosity, not answers**: Treat uncertainty as a practice, not a problem. Ask, *“What can I learn from not knowing?”* (This echoes Zen’s “beginner’s mind” or Kierkegaard’s “leap of faith.”) - **Rebuild with intentionality**: Use tools like **phenomenology** (examining experience itself) or **pragmatism** (what works vs. what’s “true”) to construct a framework that feels alive, not rigid. --- ### **3. Bridging Hedonism and Depth** Your history with “low-brow” pleasures and your current awakening aren’t opposites—they’re part of the same spectrum. - **Integrate, don’t reject**: Pleasure-seeking often numbs existential discomfort. Instead of judging past habits, ask: *“What did they protect me from? What do I now crave beyond them?”* - **Mindful engagement**: Even “dumb” entertainment can be a mirror. Observe what hooks you—boredom, nostalgia, escapism—and use it as data for self-inquiry. --- ### **4. Practical Anchors** - **Journal dialogues**: Debate your own assumptions on paper. For example, write a conversation between “Your Younger Self” (clinging to old truths) and “The Awakened You” (questioning everything). - **Study the mapmakers**: Dive into thinkers who’ve navigated this terrain—e.g., David Hume (skepticism), Simone de Beauvoir (ethics of ambiguity), or Alan Watts (playful spirituality). - **Community**: Seek out others in this liminal space (philosophy groups, meditation circles, even online forums). Shared inquiry lessens the vertigo. --- ### **5. The Paradox of Growth** This awakening isn’t a flaw—it’s a sign of courage. As Rilke wrote, *“Live the questions now.”* The discomfort you feel is the friction of old shells breaking; what emerges won’t be certainty, but a deeper capacity to *dance* with uncertainty. You’re not losing your mind—you’re rewiring it. The path is messy, but it’s yours. Stay fierce. 🌱

Lots of interesting stuff along the way.

@Hardkill sure, Being an American patriot means everything to me, nothing to others. I am the strong one in the yard, the bully who beats everyone and steals their resources. Well, it's over, the US doesn't dare to go against Russia. It has unleashed a war machine that doesn't care about the dead and has awakened a warrior culture that glorifies the military, since it is its only chance to avoid falling into misery. The US sends Ukrainians to die from their comfortable homes, but their plan is absolutely stupid. It doesn't have the necessary force for a real war, only to crush cockroaches like Gaddafi or Saddam, now the US hegemony is over, it's over, it's not the strongest country anymore. You say that Trump would kiss Putin's ass with Ukraine. Ukraine is the Russian sphere, forget Ukraine, forget Taiwan. Enough already American clowns, the world is not yours. The Russians and the Chinese are going to eat you, don't leave your borders because you make a fool of yourself everywhere.

1 i have never been interested in what woman is thinking or doing in my entire 36 years of existence even when I met the love of my life except for with one person.When I did start to care I became toxic. There are exceptions but they are rare where a woman is existentially on my level of thinking and talking philosophy. I probably have autism and what autistic people find cool and what woman find cool are totally different. I like woman style and how woman decorate their spaces and act. But 80 percent of the connection for me is sexual. If I am to be attracted by a woman I have to think she is cooler than me which rarely happens. It happened once in my life and I lost myself in the coolness 😎 because the coolness I felt was me and I gave it away to someone and didnt realize I was doing it. Now I know everyone is me! If somehow I lost myself in another woman I would be down but I dont see it happening as I have awakened and I do not want attachments or as few as possible. People come and go, they will always come and go, you cant hold on forever why grasp any. May as well just high five them on the way by. There is the problem with a lack of colour in life without woman tho. Without a woman a man has a hole with a woman he has a home. The man dosent care enough to do it himself but the woman does and when she does it he enjoys it.

The dear old man started his work in Ukraine when he was Vice President of Saint Obama, the kind-hearted destroyer of Libya for... well, for the good, as always. Biden, with his partner Victoria Nuland fuck the eu promoted the Euro Maidan and heated up the situation. After 8 years of Ukrainian bombings of the Russian population in the Dombass, when the US is going into recession, it announces that Ukraine will enter NATO. At last Russia's fanatic enemies will have access to atomic arsenal on the border with Russia. The obvious inevitable Russian invasion occurs, and the US destroys the Nord Stream and forces Germany to buy American liquefied gas. As an extra fact, the adorable son addicted to crack and whores was a director of the largest gas company in Ukraine, burisma, just a curiosity. Results 1, EEUU grows 4%, Germany forced to buy american liquefied gas, enters recession. result 2, russian war machine is put into motion, hibernating munitions factories are reactivated, war rhetoric finds acceptance in russia. we will see when the lukewarm putin is replaced by someone more ardent. russia is now a nuclear power activated for total war, enormously poorer than its weaker adversaries... bad combination They have unleashed the seeds of destruction with their horrible greed and selfishness. They have awakened a monster. The horrible American vampires can now buy their biggest yachts ever, but the butterfly effect is underway, and a change is coming, and it will be very fun to watch. Who wants to die in a hospital? What a shit. Much better a dance of chaos, really. Interesting! Then, this is the legacy of the adorable grandparent Biden

I have had full-on awakenings where I was laughing my ass off. I was not under the influence of psychedelics. This was about 6 years ago, and it was an amazing time in my life. But enlightenment does not create permanent happiness. If anything it makes you more isolated, and unable to relate to "normal" people and situations. I never made a big deal about my enlightenment. I told a few people and they probably thought it was the rambling of a madman. Since then I have had two suicide attempts, experienced psychosis, and struggled with alcohol. Currently, I don't enjoy what the world has to offer. I live an ascetic, contemplative life. I don't have many friends. It's not depression, it's more like anhedonia. That's why I drink sometimes, because I can enjoy things more. I always imagined that enlightenment would lead to permanent happiness, but as you can see, this is not the case. I wonder where I have gone wrong. If what Leo says is true, then I am one of only about 10,000 people on the planet who have awakened to this degree. I wonder what I am supposed to do next.