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@Joseph Maynor The deeper level is seeing it’s all “bullshit”. All the religion, science, philosophy, buddhist theory, Maya, psychology etc. The problem of the human mind is it can’t see it’s own bullshit. All thought and concepts are bullshit - the problem is when a mind believes it’s true. I just watched a Shinzen Young video. Great insights, yet he has deeper levels to go. He seems to believe what he is saying. Believing in your thoughts and concepts is as psychotic as believing in an imaginaty friend. Our minds are writting creative stories. It can be a creative story about the planet Zarcon and how the jimlee beings interact within their space and how they interact with the camlin beings. We could creativly write about their social structures, experiences, emotions, diet - what is good and bad etc. Yet at the end of the day we could walk away from the writing, realize it is just fantasy and get back to our “real” life. It is *much* harder to realize that all of our own thoughts and concepts about “real” life is also just fantasy bullshit. All of it. I thought Leo’s blog video on skepticism and nonduality was brilliant. IMO, he can go to Alan Watts level depth, yet with his own unique expression/approach.

@sarapr Excellent questions. Th scientific method involves formulating a testable hypothesis, making predictions, gathering and interpreting data, modifying the original hypothesis. Beyond the method, the scientist would strive to place the data into a model, which in turn would be placed within a larger model. For example, placing data of protein interactons into a model of cell division regulation which is placed into a larger model of cancer. Each point above is filled with subjectivity and biases. Scientists admit this to an extent (for example using double blind studies). Yet they are unaware of how deep the subjetivity/bias runs. It’s difficult for scientists to study the greater truth because science is *within* the greater truth. If there is one everything and there is no-thing, how can a scientist step outside of everything to objectively study some thing? Science is a great tool to study the nature of reality. It is useful, yet limited. How can we make science better? I’d say by increasing our awareness of how science fits within a larger holistic view. To acknowledge that we scientists use metaphysics in our work. To acknowledge how little we understand about reality - and not just about the details of protein interactions in cancer cells - also fundamental aspects of reality. To give up the scientists’ obsession with controlling the narrative and to give up power as the arbitrator of truth. To be open minded about how intuition can increase our ability to conduct science. To see science as one tool to study the nature of reality and combine this tool with other constructive tools in psychology and philosophy. More importantly, we should combine constructive science tools with deconstructive tools found in nonduality, mysticism, metaphysics etc. *Disclaimer: I was a life-long scientist within the scientific paradigm before escaping the trap a couple years ago.

@LaraGreenbridge You are clear, understanding, knowing, what the word nonduality points to?

I remember reading all of Robert's books one after another when I first got my feet wet in self help books, even before watching Leo. I really liked them especially the mastery one. That being said Leo said robert is orange and I didn't have any spirituality/psychedelics/nonduality experience at that point in my life. Would this book be of any value to the new spiritual me or I will cringe with all the orange and materialistic ideas it 'll most likely have?

If it does not allow you to question/be open to duality and nonduality (or other mind bending (un?)realities), then yeah, you've got a demon, alright.

Context: I am 10 days away from a planned Bufo Alvarius session with Octavio Rettig in Spain. Since the retreat organisers strictly state: "no drugs a week before", I thought now might be a good time to trip existentially once so that I breakthrough successfully later Dosage: 400ug LSD Insights: I became aware of the Fact, that Being is Infinite, in all dimensions, everywhere It became glaringly obvious to me how consciousness is a 'shapeshifter' as Leo put it. It has no attributes whatsoever, so it can be everything The residue of my materialist, rationalist paradigm was completely shattered. I encountered this with my 24ug 5-MeO trip before, but there it was more of a shock and I didn't have time to grasp the repercussions of the insight. But now, on LSD, this insight was concretized gradually, such that I cannot deny it anymore. Consciousness is fundamental to reality and existence, not atoms and molecules. Holy fucking shit! Are you kidding me?! I'm an engineer, man! I became aware of the ego, and it is just so much bullshit! Infinite degree of self-deception. I feel that I cannot take anything literally anymore, because the Devil will misconstrue it, even if it is a teaching about enlightenment. Pure irreducible being is all that can be trusted. I feel that there is nowhere to hide anymore. And nowhere to go. What's even the point of lying and bullshitting?! (Of course, I will come up with reasons later) I became conscious of what Nonduality really means. Holy fucking shit! I cannot be jealous of, criticise or judge anything ever again (of course I will find a way) My entire life and being has been completely recontextualized. I understand why they call it 'emptiness' and why people say stuff like 'God is!, saying anything more is already misleading'. My fears: I had originally thought that I would try doing self-inquiry in the dark and face my fears, but the things mentioned above just blew all my plans away But after having all these insights, it became clear to me that what I feared truly wasn't some scary phenomenon or a crazy mindfuck, but the lack of a first person perspective! So I returned to the same position where I was at the end of my 5-MeO trip, knowing that I need to surrender this sense of self, getting close, but failing to do so. Again, so much bullshit here, I became aware of how I'm escaping doing the really important work and instead thinking if I can come up with more insights or something. It really felt like I'm fighting an invisible dragon, as Leo described, but it is just..tough What's next: The Bufo Alvarius ceremony, of course! I hope the drug is powerful, because this ego structure I have is a fucking beast. It will not die! Just wanted to share this. If there is anything I'm misconstruing or doing incorrectly, then please let me know. One obvious mistake I made was to trip on a Sunday evening. This gives me no time to sit and reflect upon my insights, but I had to study for an important test before (of course, it is not important at all, in a way)

Yes, that is the catch-22 of social development: low consciousness crowds tend to elect low consciousness leaders, and low consciousness leaders tend to empower low consciousness crowds. The entire society must therefore go through the struggle of fighting it out. The fighting it out IS the ACTUAL process of growth & evolution. Growth and evolution are sometimes bloody and ugly. Peace leads to war, and war leads to peace, and on and on it goes. That's the duality inherent within nonduality. Every country, and every human being is going through this struggle to various degrees. It's just since Brazil isn't as mature as America or Europe, its growing pains will be more acute.

I don’t know. I’m not enlightened, not that far along the Spiral, etc. Maybe. He’s farther along than I am so hey, maybe I’m wrong. I’m open to that. Maybe he’s right about Leo, Sadhguru, and whoever else he deems unenlightened and deluded being a quack about nonduality and what not. I’m not enlightened so I can’t be here saying whose right and whose wrong about the nature of reality. My job is to discover it, be open as fuck, assume I’m wrong, etc. I just don’t see, from all that I study and practice, a deeply enlightened person needing to fit some sort of bill. I get it, he’s studied with Ralston and has done lots of 5-MeO. Cool. I just don’t think this approach to saying ‘fuck all these quacks and phonies, I’ve studied with the real ones and know the truth,’ is one grounded in greater wisdom or greater perspective. I’d put money down he’s never met @Leo Gura so I don’t think he’s in a position where I can take his criticism of Leo being some phony very seriously.

But Leo...in nonduality, 'you're not god' is the same 'you're god'. So what's your problem about that and also about the ignorant of someone saying that. Are we here to learn and be the best version of ourselves? Purify the ignorant instead of dismiss/disallow it. And i'm pretty sure I'm not g o d. (hope I won't be banned after this post :v)

This video is high Orange with a little bit of low yellow. He mistates moral relativism (green) and systems thinking (yellow). He doesn’t seem skilled at post-rational thought He mentions psychedelics, yet I don’t get the sense he has integrated his experiences. SD breaks down at Turquoise, and he didn’t acknowledge nonduality, and the loss of distinctions - language and concepts no longer make sense. He keeps mentioning some product - he is trying to sell?

@Ampresus From the way you write it does not sound like you are mature enough to handle it. Focus on yoga, meditation, self-inquiry, shamanic breathing, etc. And read a lot about nonduality. Psychedelics are no joke. They will rip your reality apart.

one question. how can someone start doing the inner work without questioning god? saying someone is god without saying someone is not god, would there still be nonduality? not questioning at all is very dogmatic. there is dogmatism in zen without question, but does it have to, if the question is formulated as a question and not as a statement maybe? how can someone enter a path without questioning in the first place? so if someone asks the question. you would say: you are god. ??? but it doesn’t mean someone stopped questioning, did it? and what would happen if someone would say: i am god. ??? what then?

I think you are using the term "sharing" ideas quite broadly. I would consider at least four subcategories of "sharing" ideas: propagandizing, conflicting, debating and exploring ideas. Propagandizing ideas is a major distraction from learning. These are people intent on spreading their ideas (often erroneous) with no interest of engaging in dialog. Conflicting ideas are people that ignorantly challenge others with the intent of conflict. For example, if I went to a forum for learning Chinese and told the teachers that they actually don't speak Chinese and posted up a bunch of Chinese text to prove my point. Then I go off telling the students what it is really like to live in China (I don't speak Chinese and I have never been to China). The Chinese teachers try to explain that I don't understand Chinese and to be open to learning. I tell them they are wrong and I cut and post some more Chinese images and text to prove my point. This is distracting and misleading to students on the forum that actually want to learn Chinese. This type of conflict instigation occurs on this forum with psychedelics and nonduality. People with no direct experience sometimes parrot what they've read online or stuff they just make up. Debating ideas: I think a lot of people think debating ideas is a great learning method. I see that mentality for some on the forum as well as in academia. IME, I don't think debate is an efficient learning method. It is a middle level Orange zone - I think it can be somewhat useful for high blue to elevate to Orange (Blue eventually sees they are irrational). The problem with debate is that both sides defend their views and want to "win" the debate. Instead of expanding one's mind - it contracts one's mind. Their ideas are often reinforced. Look at some debates between Richard Dawkins and religious zealots. Both sides defend their own position and very little comes out of it. Exploring ideas: This is the learning zone IMO. This is where people are doing self inquiry. Where they realize they don't know it all. Where they are introspective and are open to challenging their own beliefs. It is where "winning" is no longer about being right. "Winning" is about learning and expanding oneself. It is where truth becomes more important than being right and proving others wrong. It is where people say things like "Interesting, I've never thought about it like that". It is where people get curious about psychedelics, chakras, shamanic breathing etc. It is where they try the practices for themselves. It is where people get curious about what Leo means when he says "I am God". It is where they question their belief of what God is and are open to deepening their understanding of God. . .. On this forum, Emerald is a great example. On the national scene, Deepak Chopra is a great example. He explores ideas of science and spirituality. Discussions he has at green and higher levels are beautiful. Yet, when Richard Dawkins enters the picture - it gets ugly. Dawkins is a brilliant geneticist, yet doesn't know shit about spirituality. But he tries to debate and "beat" Chopra (who is much more spiritually advanced). It seems like the average consciousness on the board is upper-orange transitioning to green. This is the transition from debate to exploring. This will be uncomfortable for blue and orange level people. They will want to propagandize, conflict, debate and to pull others down into debate. They will complain that they don't have free speech. They will complain that they are being silenced. We saw this with the blue-orange JP crowd. And if an orange-level Richard Dawkins crowd entered the forum - we would see it with them as well. And it's not just about those that defend blue-orange ideology. Those of us at Green and higher need to be mindful not to drop down to mudslinging and low-level debates. It's easy to fall into that trap - it's happened to me. Personally, I want to continue increasing my level of consciousness and to develop better interpersonal skills so I can learn faster and better help others to evolve. There are countless forums on the internet centered at red, blue and orange. There are much fewer forums centered at Green or Yellow. It takes work to maintain that higher level. . . Consider spiritual Satsangs with Adyashanti or Rupert Spira. This is a high Green audience. The audience is not there to propagandize, initiate conflict or debate. The audience members want to learn, explore and evolve. Watch a two hour Satsang with Adyashanti and a two hour debate between Dawkins and a religious zealot. It's obvious which crowd is learning and evolving. They are worlds apart.

No, this a common misunderstanding. There is nothing to discuss about nonduality. Nonduality is perfectly clear and perfectly documented. The only thing to do with nonduality is to practice it. Anything else is the ego distracting from the work. Debating God does not help anyone. It's perfectly clear what God is. The only question is: will you do the practices necessary to realize it? That you are God is not up for debate or discussion. Look and you will see that it's true. Of course most egos don't want to look. Which is why they resort to all kinds of devilry instead. This is why Zen practice is very austere and brutal. There is no room in Zen for debate. A Zen master would never allow debate in his zendo. Smartasses who try to debate a Zen master will get a punch in the face. The proof is in the practice and nowhere else. If you want to ask questions about how to improve your practice, that is welcome and good. Stick to that. I love reading and answering those types of questions. But starting threads about how Leo is full of shit, or how enlightenment is fake, or how you are not God -- that's just bullshit.

@How to be wise I'm conscious enough to know they are not conscious enough to know what they are talking about. If someone tells me "You are not God", they are straight up ignorant of nonduality. Case closed. I'm not gonna entertain their delusions any further. Being openminded does not mean that I'm tolerant of bullshit. Just the opposite. A deep understanding of nonduality makes it extremely obvious to spot who's full of shit and who hasn't reached the deepest levels yet. Egoless was promoting a dualistic Christian version of a separate God. Which is pure devilry. It's obvious these people have not even bothered to do the basic research, to read the books, let alone to have direct experiences of the advanced and subtle things being discussed here. But these devils don't just stop there. Then what they do is they use the PM system to corrupt the minds of other members behind the scenes, out of sight -- trying to recruit them to their narrow-minded ideology, slowly sowing seeds of doubt and controversy. It's devilry plain and simple. And I'm not gonna sit by and watch it unfold. Devils who come here trying to run their tricks will get slapped across the face. If you want a forum where devils run free, there are thousands of such forums available across the web that you can join. The purpose of moderation is not to censor free speech, but to weed the forum of low-quality members. It only takes a small handful of low-quality members to turn a forum into a cesspool. Because it's the low-quality members who tend to be the most devilish, the most arrogant, the biggest know-it-alls, the biggest bullshitters.

There is no crisis. Just stop bullshitting and keyboard-jockeying. That's all. You are free to discuss any personal development related topic on this forum as long as you do so intelligently, without having some sort of ideological or egoic agenda. Just be chill, normal, and don't start hysterics, fear-mongering, or preaching. And don't talk with authority about nonduality unless you have lots of direct experience. And even then, speak lightly. People who start claiming nonsense like, "You are not God" will be banned. There is not going to be any discussion tolerated on this matter because it is pure ignorance spoken by a devilish ego.

Enough gossip and fake controversy. Go do the work. There are people who join here who are not interested in learning, but preaching their ideas. People who I determine are here without a genuine desire to learn, will be banned. It's not hard to see people on here who are consistent BSers, and also do not understand nonduality, yet keep acting as though they do. Don't come here to teach me or others nonduality. Be here to learn and have an open mind. If anything, I am way too lax with moderation on this forum. Most people should rightly be banned for spouting their arrogant nonsense under the present of spirituality. Egoless and Source_Mystic were acting like devils. And for this they have been banned.

To me, this is a broad form of moral relativism - not nonduality. You are saying that how people interpret data is relative to them and there are an infinite number of interpretations of pedophilia and none of them is truth. That is moral relativism. One can take it one level higher and claim that there are an infinite number of interpretations of moral relativism and each of those is relative to the person and none of them is truth. That would be relativism. I think relativism is at a higher level than rationalism - not due to complexity. Rather, because relativism is so much more unpalatable than rationalism (for most people). Orange stage rational thinkers hate relativism. I have found that relativism can be a huge trigger for Orange and relativists can be incredibly annoying to have discussions with. All they need to do is keep saying "Well, that view is just relative to you - it's not true". It's green/yellow level thinking that can get unhealthy. A person can go around causing harm and keep saying "Your interpretation is just relative to you. That is just one interpretation of an infinite number of interpretations". For example: An alcoholic loses his job and beats his children - she confronts him saying "Your drinking is harming the family, you need to get help". He responds "Your interpretation is relative to you. My interpretation is that I am a wonderful father. There are an infinite number of interpretations - none are true". Relativism is a powerful tool of thinking - but it can be used in unhealthy ways. That's why objectivists hate it so much.

You're right. I didn't have sex with pedophiles when I was a child. I am not a pedophile myself, either. I don't have direct experiences with pedophilia. Notice that you have a specific way of interpreting raw data. I just noticed that I had one, too. People interpret children's relative naivety in one way or another. In one of Leo's videos, he said that there are infinitely many ways to interpret raw data and none of them is truth. Given what he said on this thread, he is very likely to object that that argument is related to nonduality and doesn't pertain to social issues. But, for me, there is no clear separation of nonduality teachings from other things. I was deluded about the whole topic of pedophilia. But, others are deluded about it too because they don't have direct experiences, either. It's like two blind persons talking about the shape of a skyscraper by touching it on the ground level. Once you recognize that you were adding interpretations upon interpretations to raw data, you will not be so sure about your opinions. I guess I was trying to demonstrate that we take our bullshits too seriously. Let me add more bullshits. I'd like to add that any degree of intelligence that you have as a human is tiny compared to infinite intelligence which also manifests itself in social structures and education system. Infinite intelligence is the order of the whole system. The order of a whole society is also part of infinite intellgience. In specific configurations of society, it may not be safe to have sex until age 30. In other specific configurations, it may be safe for most children to have sex due to infinite intelligence scaffolding human intelligence. We can talk eloquently and have various kinds of sex because of infinite intelligence, not because of human intellect. Without social structures, you can't even speak human language. Human intellect would become very primitive like a chimpanzee without the help of infinite intelligence. Human intellect is the work of infinite intelligence. Look at what happens to people who spend their first years with animals. Beyond a certain point, such people cannot learn human language until death. If you were raised by wolves, you would act like wolves until death. You acquire wolf intelligence. I suspect that we assume children are incapable of safe sex because we attribute our results to human intellect. What's great is not human intellect, but infinite intelligence. Even, chimpanzees beat human mind in some areas. If you tap into infinite intelligence the right way, an 8 years old child can get a PhD. If you don't tap into infinite intelligence, you might even give up getting a PhD at age 35. I think the same can apply to sex. I hypothesize that with the right structures, it's possible for infinite intelligence to make people good at sex before they hit puberty. It's basically infinite intelligence accelerating learning process. Our current model of bureaucratic education system is extremely inefficient. Infinite intelligence is an aspect of God. God can surely make people good at sex before they hit puberty. But, it's just a hypothesis, and I know that it is just another interpretation of raw data. Ignore me if you think I'm bullshitting.

I am not even sure if 70% of this forum will even bother to read what I post here ironically people do not like to read anything longer that a paragraph. Dont fret lazy cult members I will highlight all the essential points. He could not even do a month of meditative living with out having suicidal thoughts ! After two weeks he quit ... I ask you is that a enlightened man. Leo should have stuck with actualization and studied the process of enlightenment on his own time until he got a grasp on the fundamentals. You are an intellectual leo you absorb knowledge , yet enlightenment is not about knowledge or concept. knowledge is where your mind has been stuck since you started actualized.com absorbing knowledge from as many spheres as you can as fast as you can. It has caused many problems here as people started in self-actualization and then followed you directly into a completely different discipline and you just chugged along and went back and forth confusing the shit out of a good 70% of the people here adding concept after concept, mental minusha and more intellectual concept toys for your followers to play with and parrot back here. Yet you did them a great disservice. you created a trap for all of the beginners to enlightenment work. You fed them intellectualism knowledge and concept and then you expected them to progress in a completely different system using the same rules. When you clumsily said there was "no brains" I understood what you met even better than you did because I meditated for decades and because I have a foundation in zen. Then I wrote a very detailed post about concept, language mental constructs and the difference between the actual and the symbolic world of language . IT was not revived well because every one was so focused on your clumsy attempt to describe something you had not fully internalized yet. Now two and a half years later you stand here with all you misguided and confused followers and finally get to something that should have been a fundamental lesson. You are not a good teacher of the process of enlightenment and from what I am seeing from the past and now you took to many short cuts using drugs. Witch shows your sloppy haphazard way you try to teach enlightenment. You should have stuck to the sphere of knowledge and the world of the intellectual and actualization because you have given your followers the same disease you had and continue to have regarding enlightenment practices. The process of enlightenment is not about adding knowledge it is reductive is strips away until there is nothing left but the actual. The very fact that it took you three years to breach this topic is shameful. The people that hold up this web sight that understand the process of enlightenment had that understanding before they came here and should seriously think about if they want to be associated or waste there time with a teacher that is building his brand wearing a mask of accomplishment, when in fact , you are just fumbling along clumsily winging it when it comes the process of enlightenment. This place has become a trap for too many as they try to absorb as much knowledge as they can as fast as they can while simultaneously pursuing the process of enlightenment which has the completely opposite mechanism to reduce knowledge to eliminate concept and to increase awareness. Most of the threads are not answered in a constructive manner and are this type of pseudo intellectual mystical spiritualism, extrapolated from Leo's videos instead of experienced, processed and integrated by themselves personally. I have been around I have read threads asking questions that noone bothers answers adequately. I have addressed them individually in pm and I always give them this digital copy of this book because it gives the basics at the beginning and cuts though the mental shit and intellectual land mines leo throws at you every week. so please if you want to move forward and actually understand the fundamentals now instead of three years from now stop depending on leo as a guru and read this. It is free legal digital copy in the public domain. It is on the top of my book list yet. I will not charge you for it. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.106370/page/n5 This best book on zen it is not watered down it will help you understand the conceptual illusion we are all trapped in and how to move past that. It is also written by D.T. Suzuki an accomplished scholar that spoke fluent Japanese Chinese and English and lived and studded with monks in a monastery. Without this man and his books zen would not even be a word in the English language. This book is out of print but this is a free legal digital copy my wife found me has been ironically archived in in India . I have read this book three times in my life and I can say it is the best book on the enlightenment process i have ever read. this copy has a few spelling errors due to a non English speaking person translating it in to eBook format. it is nothing that a critical thinker can not easy mitigate or just read it in the direct facilely copy taken directly from the book every there pages or so that contains no errors. I challenge anyone her to go look at Leos responses the bulk of them not just one all. Go dig see what you find. how one sentence responses are what he considers adequate. The truth is leo stands on the shoulders of the people here that do know better than him. He reads others theory's and regurgitates them for you weekly. When will leo ever produce a original work instead standing on others shoulders parroting theory's and concepts? leo is a mask the person he shows you is not real. If he was sincere he would actually spend some time here counseling teaching and aiding in a meaningful way. He does not do this as you can see if you look at his responses to your questions. That is all I have to say Be wise and and take the path with the least amount of confusion. seek out teachers that know the information and have internalized it instead of ones stumbling though it. Even this video does not make it clear. . "Just keep staring at you hand and you will get it" take up the practice of navel gazing while you are at it and solve the mystery of belly button lint. Good luck in all that you do Goodby ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ @Leo GuraThe user @egoless has been banned for spreading misinformation about nonduality. In the future, I will be banning more people who keep talking shit about things they do not have direct experience of. This forum is not a zone to spout off all manner of falsehood under the banner of free speech. This kind of devilry will not fly here. If you don't agree, tough titty, find yourself some other corner of the web to shout your BS to. People who keep spreading JP's BS will also be banned. I expect better of you guys. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ What should your followers expect from you ? (Enter the thought police) Leo who the FU&% are to to tell people what to think and if there experience is valid you steal 99% of your information from others. leo how about yourself when the holotropic breathing issue came up you spread disinformation by saying the mechanism causing effects was excess oxygen. Instead I proved it was in fact oxygen deprivation aka hypoxia but you still have not corrected that. You can not even live up to your own standards. nor can you self correct. You are a hypocrite a plagiarist and a fraud. Your 5meo-dmt is a short cut that has robed you of any actual progress though enlightenment. you took the fast sloppy undisciplined way and it shows in what you produce and your mental state. What misinformation did he spread ? So I and all critical thinking individuates can assess for myself if you are right or wrong. If you will not state the MISINFORMATION so people can decide for themselves you will be perceived as a dictator. If you are going to start banning people you might want to explain exactly why. because when more and more people start disappearing because they disagree with you well that will be actualized.orgs downfall. I guess form your standpoint now getting rid of trouble makers instead of talking to them and resolving issues is a tactical move on your part. How many hours did egoless post and help others here how many hours did he help your brand and draw others in. How many post did he make? I see all his post are still here for you to Profit off of. Well not with me I have hidden 95% of my post and all my original content off this sight what is left is personal help I gave individuates or things I really do not care about. If you would like to ban me feel free I have not posted directly on your forum in a long while and I just focused on helping others in pm and it is not because I want to take your followers I do not want anything or anyone from this sight because I view you and your followers and influence as fruit from the Poisonous tree. You have 70% of the people here so goddam confused and so invested in you intellectual concept traps only the ones that are new to enlightenment are the ones I could help. The rest are so indoctrinated to the cult of leo I can not unfuck there minds. As for the other 30% that have acquired some enlightenment experiences they all ready had the tools before they got here. them like me you have nothing to offer. As I see though the mask of @Leo Gura. So disappear me if you will let the mass banning began I will take it as a compliment at this point. All of my experience was hard earned though years of practice. Your biggest mistake was adding enlightenment to actualized.com You are quite adept at self actualization because you are intellectual and the world of concept is your play ground. That is the very reason you will stall in your process of enlightenment that continues to be you biggest weakness and trap. Attachment to information , no not attachment , addiction to information. Until you over come that you will not go any farther pretend as you may. To the followers of the cult of leo If you are smart you will stop supporting a person that hides behind knowledge and produces nothing of any consequence himself you think after all that reading all that cross referencing at the least he could do is come up with some unique points of correlation and some original ideas. Yet that is not the case he still is a cliff notes version of everything he reads. I am completely done with this sight and anyone that has to do with it. Cheers

Leo should have stuck with actualization and studied the process of enlightenment on his own time until he got a grasp on the fundamentals. You are an intellectual leo you absorb knowledge , yet enlightenment is not about knowledge or concept. knowledge is where your mind has been stuck since you started actualized.com absorbing knowledge from as many spheres as you can as fast as you can. It has caused many problems here as people started in self-actualization and then followed you directly into a completely different discipline and you just chugged along and went back and forth confusing the shit out of a good 70% of the people here adding concept after concept, mental minusha and more intellectual concept toys for your followers to play with and parrot back here. Yet you did them a great disservice. you created a trap for all of the beginners to enlightenment work. You fed them intellectualism knowledge and concept and then you expected them to progress in a completely different system using the same rules. When you clumsily said there was "no brains" I understood what you met even better than you did because I meditated for decades and because I have a foundation in zen. Then I wrote a very detailed post about concept, language mental constructs and the difference between the actual and the symbolic world of language . IT was not revived well because every one was so focused on your clumsy attempt to describe something you had not fully internalized yet. Now three years later you stand here with all you misguided and confused followers and finally get to something that should have been a fundamental lesson. You are not a good teacher of the process of enlightenment and from what I am seeing from the past and now you took to many short cuts using drugs. Witch shows your sloppy haphazard way you try to teach enlightenment. You should have stuck to the sphere of knowledge and the world of the intellectual and actualization because you have given your followers the same disease you had and continue to have regarding enlightenment practices. The process of enlightenment is not about adding knowledge it is reductive is strips away until there is nothing left but the actual. The very fact that it took you three years to breach this topic is shameful. The people that hold up this web sight that understand the process of enlightenment had that understanding before they came here and should seriously think about if they want to be associated or waste there time with a teacher that is building his brand wearing a mask of accomplishment, when in fact , you are just fumbling along clumsily winging it when it comes the process of enlightenment. This place has become a trap for too many as they try to absorb as much knowledge as they can as fast as they can while simultaneously pursuing the process of enlightenment which has the completely opposite mechanism to reduce knowledge to eliminate concept and to increase awareness. Most of the threads are not answered in a constructive manner and are this type of pseudo intellectual mystical spiritualism, extrapolated from Leo's videos instead of experienced, processed and integrated by themselves personally. I have been around I have read threads asking questions that noone bothers answers adequately. I have addressed them individually in pm and I always give them this digital copy of this book because it gives the basics at the beginning and cuts though the mental shit and intellectual land mines leo throws at you every week. so please if you want to move forward and actually understand the fundamentals now instead of three years from now stop depending on leo as a guru and read this. It is free legal digital copy in the public domain. It is on the top of my book list yet. I will not charge you for it. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.106370/page/n5 This best book on zen it is not watered down it will help you understand the conceptual illusion we are all trapped in and how to move past that. It is also written by D.T. Suzuki an accomplished scholar that spoke fluent Japanese Chinese and English and lived and studded with monks in a monastery. Without this man and his books zen would not even be a word in the English language. This book is out of print but this is a free legal digital copy my wife found me has been ironically archived in in India . I have read this book three times in my life and I can say it is the best book on the enlightenment process i have ever read. this copy has a few spelling errors due to a non English speaking person translating it in to eBook format. it is nothing that a critical thinker can not easy mitigate or just read it in the direct facilely copy taken directly from the book every there pages or so that contains no errors. I challenge anyone her to go look at Leos responses the bulk of them not just one all. Go dig see what you find. how one sentence responses are what he considers adequate. The truth is leo stands on the shoulders of the people here that do know better than him. He reads others theory's and regurgitates them for you weekly. When will leo ever produce a original work instead standing on others shoulders parroting theory's and concepts? leo is a mask the person he shows you is not real. If he was sincere he would actually spend some time here counseling teaching and aiding in a meaningful way. He does not do this as you can see if you look at his responses to your questions. That is all I have to say Be wise and and take the path with the least amount of confusion. seek out teachers that know the information and have internalized it instead of ones stumbling though it. Even this video does not make it clear. . "Just keep staring at you hand and you will get it" take up the practice of navel gazing while you are at it and solve the mystery of belly button lint. Good luck in all that you do Goodby @Leo GuraThe user @egoless has been banned for spreading misinformation about nonduality. In the future, I will be banning more people who keep talking shit about things they do not have direct experience of. This forum is not a zone to spout off all manner of falsehood under the banner of free speech. This kind of devilry will not fly here. If you don't agree, tough titty, find yourself some other corner of the web to shout your BS to. People who keep spreading JP's BS will also be banned. I expect better of you guys. What misinformation did he spread ? So I and all critical thinking individuates can assess for myself if you are right or wrong. If you will not state the MISINFORMATION so people can decide for themselves you will be perceived as a dictator. If you are going to start banning people you might want to explain exactly why. because when more and more people start disappearing because they disagree with you well that will be actualized.orgs downfall. I guess form your standpoint now getting rid of trouble makers instead of talking to them and resolving issues is a tactical move on your part. How many hours did egoless post and help others here how many hours did he help your brand and draw others in. How many post did he make? i see all his post are still here for you to Profit off of. Well not with me I have hidden 95% of my post and all my original content off this sight what is left is personal help I gave individuates or things I really do not care about. If you would like to ban me feel free I have not posted directly on your forum and I just help others in pm and it is not because I want to take your followers I do not want anything or anyone from this sight because I view you and your followers and influence as fruit from the Poisonous tree tree. You have 70% of the people here so goddam confused and so invested in you intellectual concept traps only the ones that are new to enlightenment are the ones I could help. the rest are so indoctrinated to the cult of leo I can not unfuck there minds. As for the other 30% that have acquired some enlightenment experiences they all ready had the tools before they got here. And to them like me you have nothing to offer. As I see though the mask of @Leo Gura. So disappear me if you will let the mass banning began I will take it as a compliment at this point. All of my experience was hard earned though years of practice. Your biggest mistake was adding enlightenment to actualized.com You are quite adept at self actualization because you are intellectual and the world of concept is your play ground. That is the very reason you will stall in your process of enlightenment that continues to be you biggest weakness and trap. Attachment to information no not attachment addiction to information. until you over come that you will not go any farther. If you are smart you will stop supporting a person that hides behind knowledge and produces nothing of any consequence himself you think after all that reading all that cross referencing at the least he could do is come up with some unique points of correlation and some original ideas. Yet that is not the case he still is a cliff notes version of everything he reads. I am completely done with this sight and anyone that has to do with it.

Don't muddle contexts. That was a discussion about nonduality. This is a discussion about something else. Your ego is over-exaggerating. No man goes to prision for accidentally bumping his hand into a woman's ass. Your mind is cherry picking this stuff to create a victim mythology for yourself. You are still stuck in Orange so Green is over your head. Like I said, you will precieve equality as disempowerment. Power is being taken away from you to equalize the playing field. The solution is to stop clinging to power and stop acting aggrieved. If you actually cared about equality you would willingly acknowledge the systemic inequalities which exist for women and minorities. But that would put you at Green, which you still aren't developed enough for.

Holy fuck it's just a metaphor or mythological framework of nonduality! My old Atheist paradigm get's more and more demolished each and every day... LOVE IT

@SoonHei I would consider losing one's self into an experience as a form of nonduality. For example, a person experiences a moment of such profound love that there is no time or self. Only the experience of love. This is one of multiple manifistations of nondual experiences I've had.

really good read good pointers too http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/writings/what-is-nonduality/