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Some people have the power to threat and push individual to suicide. There has never never been raping in prison There has never been elit capable of pushing people to murder themself. Satanism with ritual on children is maybe far fetched. Can't tell on that. Surely there is this kind of sectarism. And you're right on your point too. Seams more probable.

@Moreira I’m open to the idea that there was external input with his death, yet I don’t think that necessarily means a coordinated murder plot. That would be a huge risk for law enforcement officials to take. Epstein showed suicidal signs and could have been placed in unbearable conditions. The prison conditions he was under at the the MCC were horrendous. Infested with rats, insects, defecation. Low light, extreme temperatures, lack of sleep etc. I can see how this could be leveraged psychologically by isolating him, limiting his access to a lawyer and telling him all the evidence being released, people turning on him etc - that he is screwed and gonna live the rest of his life suffering or get the death penalty. This is such a radical shift from his previous reality and I could see how that would steer someone toward suicide.

Epstein was caught for not being careful. Their elite freinds were worried about if he could tell the truth and expose them. They killed them to make it look a suicide. The problem is not only pedofilia involving politicians and elites, taht would be a minor issue. The thing is they are into satanism and blood rituals which really harm the children inflictim them severe suffering, death, in their rituals. Either way, those who consider Epstein suicided for feeling guilty... your naiveness is insulting me.

Push to suicide or murdered by the others big names traficking childrens with him. Nothing wrong with being greedy and selling childrens ... Everyone keep working in hell

@universe Yes. Exactly. Sometimes it's good to hear that again. Sometimes I forget that And yes I'll try it, I'm not saying that from now I'm gonna flirt with every other girl and try to get her, that would be my Ego. But I'm gonna be open to it. It will be something new for me as I mentioned. @Gili Trawangan It was there. I was the most hurted person few years later. For example, I was thinking about suicide at my 15y. Since then a lot changed, but there's still something like "voices" hiden deep deep in my consciousness. And these voices/programs of thinking, are hard to destroy/overwrite. But I'm working on it, slowly... Since I post my topic I went into deep thinking about it and come out with exactly what you both guys said. I told her that. I also told her, that I thing, that everything will be clear when she tell me about this experience with "the first one", especially withthat guy that she love too. That in my opinion will be the only way for me to overwrite these old programs of thinking... Thanks guys! Really, mainly for being honest

This is true. The way this works is that the narcissist's lies and dogma become a part of the narcissist's ego identity, as well as that of his supporters. To face the truth of the lies would require ego suicide at this point. They won't face that until they're forced to.

I would like to read your thoughts on this issue guys.

I am not really sure. How can I know where I want to be or what I want if I don't even know what I am. I am just so confused and can't get over this inner conflict of survival and spiritual suicide it's like if there's no self then what's the point of me being conscious and not just some stone lying there. I am lost in this madness.

I am aware of these things you pointed out, in fact everyone is. We see it all the time. I made post in the spirit of the things we rarely see. Really high quality people will get hurt by the same sword. We need the best on top. And if you really are high quality, you will get on top and be rich, doctor, musician and what not. The rich scammers and corrupted people will always find ways to dodge. That's how they came there in the first place. We might just export our problems elsewhere. Taxing needs to be way more contextual and complex if we are to do this integrally and fairly. If that is even possible. @Dwarniel I love the Scandinavian models, been in Denmark and Sweden for some time. I'd say things are wayyy better than what other European countries or the US have. A lot of care for its citizens, a lot. I love that. I would like it even more if it was more dynamic and contextual. It has also been extremely effective at producing equality of opportunity, witch is neat. I'd say it still has things to work on, deal with that depression and suicide spike for eg, a result of flattening the hierarchies, thus hacking various biological systems. Cant wait to see how will they solve that!

?. Self righteousness. Be self righteous and believe that you don't need saving. ? Be worldly. Be a part of this world ? Be unbelieving. Not believing that his is the living water. ? Be wilfully ignorant. They wilfully rejected Christ despite his works. Damaging factors ? Demonic forces. Hindering forces ?Evil ? Chaotic factors. Rising from a fallen world like illness, suicide, dysfunctional families, corrupt system, lack of resources, corrupt regime, unsupportive community ? Wrong path ? Sins Evil is much worse than sin.

First of all, I think you're overrationalizing all this "spiritual" quest of yours. As the Zen saying goes, "Before Enlightenment chop wood and carry water. After Enlightenment, chop wood and carry water." The real question is: How is your day-to-day life going? All of these psychedelics experiences and deep existential insights are useless if you're living a crappy life.... Second of all, technically, you can't fully surrender the ego. Only way to do this is by physically dying. (Btw, dying is obviously a negative thing! Suicide is no way a sign of spiritual maturity!) Third of all, people get it backwards. They think that having no ego (or at least a small one) is the goal of spirituality. No! The goal is to have a strong tamed ego. "Mind is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master." -- Osho Btw - Google spiritual bypassing. Wikipedia has a really good definition on it.

Committing suicide is one of the most fundamental rights a human being can have. Nobody should be forced to play the game, telling someone that they are not allowed to stop existing is much more selfish than choosing to take your own life.

When egg is broken from the inside, life begins, when broken from the outside, life ends. You learn nothing from suicide, you simply will keep repeating the same situation(without knowing) until you grow past that point. Every time someone is about to commit suicide they should think to themselves... I wonder how many lifetimes i have already done this and only postponed my true freedom! The true way to free yourself completely is Ascend beyond this realm consciously. Suicide is the biggest trap in itself.

@Javfly33 Been to a suicide funeral yet?

Suicide, generally speaking, affects more people than just the person committing it. It’s true that not everyone has the same level of connection to others in life, but mostly everyone has at least one person who would be devastated if they took their own life. Suicide can be seen as preventable to many due to the potential for intervention on multiple levels before things get to that point. I don’t know the exact statistics, but a vast, vast majority of people who attempt or commit suicide suffer from some form of mental illness. This means that many people who wish to take their own lives are in the middle of a crisis of sorts and are looking for a way to relieve the pain. I personally wouldn’t characterize it as selfish, but rather misguided and tragic. When it comes to spirituality, I’ve seen from personal experience that people can use a delusional form of it to keep themselves afloat when struggling with mental health issues, sometimes abandoning these beliefs after they seek help and begin to recover from their illness. I’m not saying that all spirituality is wrong, it’s just that many people create a web of beliefs to insulate themselves from the pain they’re dealing with.

@Javfly33 suicide is ultimately a selfish act because you're not the only person involved. When you become conscious, you realize you are deeply interconnected with everyone else, including loved ones, friends, coworkers, etc. How would you feel if your best friend committed suicide? Would your first thought be: that's completely his decision to make, I'm sure it was for spiritual reasons do good for him? What about your mother? How would that affect you?

this is a "radical" consequence of how the reality is structured. A suicide bomber who has been "brainwashed" into thinking that his death while killing the "infidels" earns him a ticket to heaven with 72 virgins for eternity... upon killing himself WILL GET the heaven with 72 virgins for eternity the key here is his absolute trust/faith in this... so much so that he is literally killing himself willingly to get it. he has NO doubts whatsoever. reality is mirrored by beliefs. what one beliefs he becomes/gets/has.

because for leo it is so, his highest truth is that you wouldn't do it if you were self-less for you, it is not so because your highest truth is selfish to you it is a selfish act. so its wrong to higher levels of conscious society, suicide will be wiped out potentially, therefore the higher truth wins out. but currently, suicide exist without a reason as to why it really occured. in the absolute sense. suicide occurs out of a love for death to ones own "life"

How can someone give to the world by improving themselves. How can someone give to the world if they commit suicide before reaching their potential? Does spirituality work involve suicide or total acceptance to what is?

I wonder why in Spirituality there is a (justified) habit of keeping open-minded to nearly everything, except...suicide. I remember Leo said in one blog post that suicide was Ego selfish act, I would want to know why. I can´t see why suicide is a ego selfish act and improving your life using other´s resources (for example) isn´t. Please don´t understand this as an encouragement for suicide! It´s not. I´m just trying to have a interesting (i hope) discussion that in other online sites i surely couldn´t because it probably would be censored/banned.

I would say you are on the right path. Out of what kind of love does suicide come from?

The conversation became slightliy derailed. Its about to know who in this case commits the act of suicide and ending life painfully not through natural means If there is only gods will then god must have planned for that avatar (human) to get caught up in so much pain and then finally godhead itself commited suicide in that avatar (human). Can it be any other way, when we consider that there is only the will of god and independent human free will is an illusion?

At the end is it god, the universal consciousness that decides to take the life of that particular person by suicide? Unconscious god would imply that it is the human that decided so but wouldnt it rather be that the human is unconscious but god is always super conscious and therefore exerts his will on that person (avatar) and decides he should leave the world/dream by suicide. While the avatar is unconscious the Goodyear is never unconscious, and the will of leaving this world must be an act of the consciousness, as everything else is an illusion. Does that make sense? Unconscious god does not even exist actually so that decisions even this one are done by the conscious god or be it godhead

Pain forces people to suicide.Either physical or psychological.

So are you implying that if he discovered who he truly Is, he would have second thoughts about suicide and possibly not go through with it? Even if his condition persisted or even got worse?