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Hi guys, since I had a pretty rough 2020 after a meditation experience I'm interested into getting to know your spiritual emergency experiences. (more to spiritual emergency here). I will sum up my experience shortly: May 2020: A dream stood out to me, where a female voice told me that I would get sick but I would be healed (I always try to make a sense out of that dream since I had some rough time shortly after) Juni 2020: I set an intention for changing my life, I was unhappy, unsatisfied and fed up with myself later Juni: Had my first awakening experience while meditating, it lasted for 7 days and I had 3 peak experiences. I blocked my last experience of bliss (I blocked the rise of it, since the last 2 times I was in full tears) because friends were with me, didn't want to make things complicated. I couldn't explain my experience to them anyways, they wouldn't understand. Anxiety rose up instantly,while feeling the anxiety I was getting confused, "Am i going bipolar?" became a thought loop. I couldn't sleep for 7 days: First night: Almost developed a neurosis out of confusion, didn't know what was going on at all. Meditation helped. As I went to bed I tried to just observe what was coming up. I had thoughts that were not mine. My arms were shaking, my legs were feeling like blocks. I had to puke into a bucket because I was feeling nauseous. Thoughts came up that were not thought by me, don't know how to explain. Like watching a movie and persons were talking nonsense. Hours later, in a half dream like state I saw something laying in fetus position next to me (didn't see it actually, it was more like a dream, don't know how to explain). I had the feeling it was my ego. Something told me it had to die. The dying thing had a voice and it was fighting. Dark parts of myself, well it felt like that. After some time when things got more calm, I layed on my side and I heard shamanic humming. Pretty calming, the humming got closer and wrapped itself around me, with the same vibration when I wake up out of a lucid dream or when I have any other weird dreams. The vibration wrapped itself around a part in my stomach where I had an infection for 4 weeks. The next day I woke up, and it was so peaceful. I was watching out of the window and the leaves were moving in the wind. It was beautiful. The area in my stomach was pulsating hard. Following week: Days after I was still confused as hell, I went to my mother to ground myself, walking in the forest. I couldn't look my mother in her eyes because I felt fear when I did, I felt stitches around all my nerves in my head. Walking outside the next days I felt a sense of depersonalization. I felt I was in this world with 1 foot and with the other foot somewhere else. When I finally got some sleep the later weeks my dream patterns completely changed. Instead of running away from something or searching for my home, which I dreamed of the years before constantly, I went deeper. In one dream I was looking in the mirror and saw my face, it was beaten up, blue/black and I felt a depression I've never felt before. I was so miserable. My lips skin was peeling off. (Later I read that peeling skin is a sign of healing). Sometimes I woke up in the night in these half dream like states, not knowing if this all was real or not. I had constant worries of going schizophrenic. When I closed my eyes I mostly saw animal jaws biting constantly, mostly shark jaws. Together with this constant noise when trying to sleep/shut off, and these constant brabbling voices (didn't actually hear them, idk how to explain, it's like a voice in a dream). And everytime I tried to sleep, everytime I was in the shift of consciousness I would just snap out of it again, it was actually a physical sensation, I felt this pulling through the big nerve ending from my stomach up to the part between my eyebrows. Some day I had a crazy synchronicity with my twin sister. End of August 2020: While traveling with friends in Budapest, I was sitting in this cafe and something just creeped up on me. Everything turned greyish (not visually, just sensually idk how to explain). It felt like a huge negative energy I've never felt before just came out of nowhere, this time there was no trigger at all which frightened me. It was like something was pulling me down/ sitting on my shoulders, it's what some describe as crippling depression. I asked my friends to move, I had to hold my body up with my arms. We went to my friends appartment and I was just laying there, observing it, waiting for it to pass. Never felt such overwhelming depression. After like 3 hours it weakened, but this time I couldn't sleep for 80 hours straight, not even a minute of chill. The animals jaws biting, the brabbling voices in my head, the flinching when I tried to sleep, full program. Sometimes in this summer I woke up from dreams where there were huge explosion sounds, ear drum destroying explosions. Waking up with the biggest tinnitus I've ever head (and anxiety of course). Some dreams in Fall were just dreams were I literally lost my mind. After August things settled and slowly, a permanent state of anxiety turned into smoother depression. November I started to get synchronicities daily up to today. On my phone, on my PC, in my dreams, on the washing machine, on license plates. It was, yeah, insane. Literally questioned my sanity after this intense and really, let's say interesting, last half of 2020. Who would not? Anyone had similar experiences?
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Name: Malte Age: 24 Gender: Male Location: Germany Occupation: Student of Geography Marital Status: Single Kids: No Hobbies: yoga, qi gong, spending time in nature, spirituality, meditation, gym, making music of any kind, philosophy, learning about our own kind, discovering myself When I was getting into puberty I had a huge feeling of alienation, I never felt I fit in. I fled into video games. At 13 years I also started to get into spiritual stuff, I always had an interest into mystic things, I often felt that there is more to life and that we have much knowledge within. At first I did it for my ego's sake (Maybe it was even for the sake of fleeing reality). At 16 I dropped the spiritual stuff because I wasn't getting anything out of it. I tried to fit in an became a pretty nervous, selfish and arrogant guy. Until last year I was heavily addicted to video games. Spirituality came back to me when I was having a deeper intention set after moving into a new flat 6 months ago. "I need a reset" I told to myself, "now I mean it". 2 weeks later while meditating I had a profound shift of consciousness which sustained for 6-7 days. I was in tears, I had this immense feeling of "how could I have forgotten this?". I realized many things that kept me from growing, it was an immense relief. In the stages of bliss I saw reality as it is. It was a glimpse at all but it was so shifting that nothing has been like before. My ego came back and threw me into weeks of insomnia and depersonalization/psychosis like states (I would say mild forms). I had the constant fear of becoming crazy. After daily grounding and integration I saw what was going on. In these 6 months I started shadow work and had some big emotional releases, I saw that I punished myself over the last decade pretty hard. Months after I never have felt more mature. Still, at the moment I'm cycling through depression and anxiety, but I'm thankful for that. I feel like I can finally be the creator and move on, I finally feel like I can start life. It's a learning process and I finally stopped skipping school, I'm willing to learn and grow now. It's not easy but it's the best thing that could have happened. 2 weeks before my awakening experience I had a dream where a voice told me I would get sick but I will be healed. That's giving me much faith. Personal challenges I've overcome: - Awakening shattered my video game addiction - Eating like shit - Desire for constant attention - Being way less judgemental Challenges I'm working on: - Becoming independent, authentic, grounded, compassionate, - Listening to my gut, - living and enjoying life with all senses, seeing positive sides not only negatives - embracing ANY kind of experience, going out there in life instead of hiding from it - overcoming self sabotage - finding my purpose and passion - Not letting my fears limit me
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What is attention and focus? Attention is what leads us. Some of that attention is innate like being intensely gripped by anything to do with people. Some of it learnt like being excited by the latest console game. All our decisions and motivations are governed by attention. And we try to manipulate attention so that we can shift into newer more elevated states of being. Procrastination, motivation, desire are all driven by attention. Most of our attention is uncontrolled and uncontrollable: that's our humanity, our curse and our blessing. We are mostly attentive to what our ape biology wants. The fraternal twin of attention is focus. If attention is the grip then focus is the strength of the grip. Focus can expand and contract, be tight or be wide, intense or light. When we lose ourselves in a film, our focus is warped into the world of the plot. When we're in the zone or in flow, our focus glides without friction. When we're threading a needle our focus is at a pinpoint. If attention leads, focus keeps us there. But focus is also the the thing that remembers and forgets. If we focus in the right way we can forget who we are whilst playing Bach - and when we stop, we remember ourselves again. Focus allows us to slow down and sleep and dream, focus snaps us back when we wake up again. Focus is the ultimate superpower. We and the world only exist when our focus says we do. What happens when we reduce attention, when we meditate for example? Then focus is let loose. We start to notice it wildly fluctuating, growing and shrinking, constantly in motion. Our attention chases it, instead of focus chasing attention. But eventually it can be tamed and it becomes still. Only then does it start to seep into everything, colouring all of our attentions with the same essence. That essence of serenity, calmness, bliss, beauty and love.
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bensenbiz replied to Mips's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Thanks for this post. It opened up a big question for me: some people explain their experience as pure bliss (white light) and some as u wrote as pure horror (black light.) I am wondering if its about the dosage? Seems like not enough dosage keeps still a bit ego alive and it is the one which defines the trip as horror. any advices to avoid the horror one? And get straight in to the pure light? -
Forestluv replied to Podie45's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You can change your relationship with what it. The mind-body can perceive something as threatening, activate the sympathetic nervous system and go into fight or flight. Another mind-body may perceive it as safe, activate the parasympathetic system and go into deep peace and bliss. Another mind-body could relate as pure experience, fascination or infinity. You mention “obviously, this scared me”. Yet that is an assumption of conditioning. I’d let go of that belief. It doesn’t have to be that way. Sometimes breakdowns occur prior to breakthroughs, if so that’s how it is and roll with it. Yet we also don’t want to overly stress the mind-body. Perhaps let the mind and body know this is safe. Condition the mind-body to relax into “strain”, such that it isn’t “strain” - and the body can relax as the parasympathetic system is operative. For me, good practices are yin yoga, breathwork and moderate doses of psychedelics. With each, discomfort can arise and relaxing into it helps release and re-condition the mind-body. When I first did shamanic breathing, my hands and face would clench up with tetany. My hands would be curled up like a lobster claw. It was painful and my body resisted. I tried to push through the discomfort and that just made it worse. Yet I’ve learned to be completely relaxed with the tetany. I actually enjoy it now. Of course this is a more mild example than than a psychedelic sub-ego-death zone. Yet it may help to learn how to relax the mind-body in moderately stressful environments. Or maybe not. You get to experiment with what works for you. -
Moksha replied to Batzon's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The ego trap of chasing bliss is that it distracts from who you really are. It is a fool's gold promise that never delivers. Anything you chase will inevitably disappoint, because by its nature it will never last. The only way to sustain peace and happiness is by realizing who you are: changeless Consciousness. Dark night of the soul is common for people when they first awaken. Just because you see clearly, doesn't mean all of your attachments magically dissolve. You still have to develop the discipline not to be fooled by your conditioned mind. The ego desperately needs your attention in order to exist, and the closer you get to killing it, the fiercer it will fight for survival. It is a sneaky bastard that will even play dead for a while, until your attention is momentarily diverted, and then it springs back to life with a knife at your back. If you find yourself desiring bliss, that is a red flag that you have already fallen back asleep. Your natural state as Consciousness is already here and now, you just have to open your eyes to it again. -
Batzon replied to Batzon's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I like that analogy. About chasing the bliss, are there any ego traps one should be aware of? I was more into shadow work and about to embrace the dark and depression to work myself through, could this be a desire to feel the bliss again too? -
Moksha replied to Batzon's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I agree with Nyseto that it is important to allow whatever thoughts or feelings arise, without actively resisting them. Whatever you resist, you strengthen. Instead, simply observe them, without being defined by them. It is like sitting by yourself on the back row of a dark theater, and from that distance, casually watching any thoughts or feelings flow across the screen of your mind. It's even better if you are able to let feelings come and go, without labeling them. For example, notice what "depression" feels like in your body, then drop the label. The next time it happens, hmm...there's that feeling again. Allow it to enter, notice it without being drawn into it, and notice when it leaves. Don't give it any more attention than that. Focus most of your attention on the space around the feeling. You are sitting way back in a dark theater, all by yourself, with that little feeling making is way across the screen. You are not the feeling. You are the moviegoer. Also, don't fall into the trap of chasing the bliss that you felt earlier. Anything that you run toward, or run away from, is an attachment that will ultimately make you miserable. Your natural, unconditioned state is inherently peaceful and joyful. There is no need to seek anything, because you already are infinitely abundant. The more you practice this, the easier it will become. This is why meditation and mental discipline are critical, even after you have awakened. The Buddha compared it to swimming upstream. The mind has tremendous gravitational pull, but the more you exercise vigilance, the better you will be at swimming against the current. Be the Michael Phelps of meditation ?♀️ -
It's been 7 months since my first and profound awakening experience. After meditation, I was in this state for about 5-6 days with 3 peak experiences of bliss and profound realizations through non-attachment. I thought to myself in tears "How could I have forgotten this?". It was so profound and different yet so natural, that my mind started to question my experience (it came back when I repressed tears of bliss because the third peak happened after I went jogging with friends, didn't want to make things complicated). Anxiety came up because of the repression of the upcoming bliss, with it my mind. The thought loop of "Am I going bipolar?" threw me into 7 days of anxiety and insomnia. The first night was the hardest. Signs of psychosis rose up, paired with hypnagogic hallucinations (auditory, basically thoughts that were not mine, like many different movies that are playing at the same time) (I've never done any psychedelics, but states that came close to that anxiety were kinda trippy experiences with edibles) Integrating this one might think, that I had 2-3 symptoms of a really grounded hypomania, but in this experience my mind was way less involved than in Maniac states. I knew no one would understand my situation and I just enjoyed the moment. My friend just told me that I appear much more happy and confident (I felt the most authentic, most alive and most peaceful for the first time, yet I knew this state would pass). It was more than an experience one would pathologize. I deeply wished this state/experience to every being, even the "worst" beings. Now I've gone through months of depression cycles, and since 3 days, I'm slipping into my next one. I feel there's resistance, the first times I could work it out with faith. Now the depression feels different, it's not getting more painful (still can feel like an open wound tho), but I tend to have less faith since it's so exhausting and I can't see the end. I know in these states you can feel worries and despair creeping up, I can't help it, but I know it's only my ego kicking. To my questions: How does one cope with these cycles? I can't bear thinking about potential next cycles, I feel that I'm still in the beginning, I feel that I still have a lot to process. But it is getting really exhausting. Last time I didn't have stuff to do and could focus only on processing it, but now my university is calling me and I want to finish my degree so I can start my life. How do you cope with unconscious resistance? I agree with "surrendering is key", but I feel that everytime I cycle into darker phases again, something in me will kick and scream again. This is more of a background theme. Yet I think this is making it so much harder. Why can't I convince myself that everything will turn out fine? I still have the fear of becoming crazy, especially after some "psychotic" like states. (Had some dreams after my awakening where I literally lost my mind) There's a fear in me where I think about becoming crazy, like where I will be lost in my own depression with no way out. I'm certain most of the questions I can only answer myself (or I already know them), still if somehow had some similar of this experience himself, what would be your advice?
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Hello everyone, This is my first post! Much love to you all. Spirituality, consciousness, etc. has called me at a very young age. My father experienced a lot of astral projection in his teens, followed by visions of alternate dimensions, and sat me down and told me I would experience odd things and to be careful who I shared these things with. I don't want to go too deep into the back story here as I have a specific situation happening and I'm not sure if it's normal or what to do about it. My partner introduced me to 5-MeO-DMT through her shaman. My 5-MeO experienced completely changed my life as it does with most people, experiencing "oneness" with all and a realization of the truth of reality. I believe it is called "Samadhi". This was about 3 weeks ago. During my 5-MeO experience, the more I completely surrendered, the more my body would move into this very odd, snake like "wave" while laying on my back, my arms would move in a symmetrical fashion starting from my root chakra, top of hand opposite of top of hand facing inwards, up my chakra line to my shoulders and and out to repeat again. When I would completely surrender, I would breath out HEAVILY and even let out a moan with all of my might (I was not in control of this) and in that moment I would experience oneness within the full surrender. I figured it was just the 5-MeO as I read most people lose control of their bodies in the state. Now, since experiencing this state of consciousness, I am able to get very very close to this state while meditating within 30 or so minutes. It's as if the 5-MeO unlocked something in my consciousness. The problem is, the closer I get to the state, my body again begins to move in this peculiar way. My eyes are also forced open which is also super odd. The more I surrender, the more intense my body moves. Just about 20 minutes ago, I found a meditation that helped me get there very quickly - right before I hit that non duality state of white light and bliss and infiniteness - I was contorting so much and breathing loudly in my condo, I could feel all of my bones cracking (not in a painful way) and it pulled me out of focus. I was honestly freaked out and felt my neighbors upstairs could hear me. I'm not sure at all what is happening. If anyone could help me that would be amazing. Since my experience, my curiosity as in overdrive and my vibrational frequency has been insane. I love so much harder. I am more patient. More understanding. I see things from a higher perspective. Something beautiful is happening, but I want to be able to meditate and get into this space without my body completely losing control. Thank you for any help and guidance you can give me. - Henry
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Creativity to me is a flow state, an allowing you just know by how it feels. The book "The Artist's Way" by Julia Cameron is a great resource. Journaling, self care, taking time to yourself, appreciating other's art and creativity, listening to music, time in nature and generally following your bliss are all key for me. I find that trying to please others or trying to own the end result too much hampers creativity.
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TheSelf replied to TheSelf's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I know what you mean, in do nothing meditation, when one gets really really relaxed, it's almost when the mind ( which is no mind and just activities of awareness ) are about to fade away, it's when the pure awareness existence remains in its pure form, really you just 'Are', the peace is beyond words, it's amazingly beautiful when 'you', 'mind' and all the stories are slowly fades away and the awareness remains alone, One can get into this state without help of any psychedelics but what if Leo is right actually and this is baseline consciousness and the work begins from here, you empty the awareness from the garbage of the mind (unconscious awareness activities) first then consciously fill it with infinite love, joy, bliss. I don't see any limits for absolute Nothingness. -
Astral sex is the new fad! Here's how to do it the simple way People say you need to learn how to astral project and astral travel (which everyone already knows) lucid dream, and many other BS talents. Everyone knows how to daydream, go into that state of mind see yourself and your target subject and have sex. Having trouble, Pretend to do it, everyone can image-in things. Remember seeing that hottie, and your eyes scanning up and down head to toe, and as if you could just see yourself making out with that person, you'd see yourself remember how good they made you feel all the time, the warm comforting bliss you felt just being in their presents, remembering the explosions of pleasure when the two of you would hug, the strong electrical current flowing through every part of your body as you kissed, the insane amount of fireworks bursting into the greatest bliss ever, the everlasting pleasures as the sex continued and all you could think about is how right this is, everything is happening just the way you like it, this one greatest moment lasting a lifetime, even when everything is finished and you go about your life that moment lives on forever inside you. Gods, Demons, Angels, Souls, Ghosts, Other People, Dead or Alive everyone loves intimacy, astral sex is safe, fun, and everyone benefits, plus no pain in the astral world, plus it's very easy to communicate as the messages are all telepathic and you can do whatever you like, and however you like, and wherever you like, possibilities are infinite. Strap on your boots and prepare for a wild ride in the astral world...
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Guest replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I wish you guys all the best -- may we conquer our fears, may we heal our wounds, may our days be filled with wonder and may we all find our true bliss... Peace! -
The name is incorrect but the practice works. Id recommend not just a detox day but doing a full day of meditation with it too, makes you super mindful, its pure bliss. Maybe a "Do Nothing Day" would be a better name for it.
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30mg, dissolved in vinegar, + coconut milk, inhaled... Felt like a kitchen cleaning sponge ran through my body, top to bottom, and removed all traces of impurities, thoughts, concepts. I had no sensory input whatsoever, and I became this .... cool (low temperature) superconductor for what felt like Pure Will, shimmering and trembling. I was in pure bliss, only 'thought' was "whaaaaaaaat ???!!?!?!?!" Because I didn't have a body anymore, and ego was gone, I experienced absolutely NO Resistance, (hence the idea of superconductor), and it was absolute bliss. Also the certitude that that is the original state, and when this body dissolves, I'll return to that, lead to the realization of Eternity, and fear of Death gone. Is this what people mean by God/Godhead?
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Bi-location Multi-location Astro-travel And yes I follow myself, who better to follow than yourself. Who's ideas are better than your own. That's the thing about the 0.1% of this world, why follow idiots when you can follow a unique genius like yourself. And if anyone has a problem with it fuck off and die. It's funny people always say to me, "You never do what I say." 55555 Think of it, you understand exact what you are saying, why you do the things that you do, you understand everything about yourself, even why your stupid jokes are so funny, you can just sit back and laugh, or give yourself multiple full body orgasms, no other person can do that for me, why you ask? Because it's an internal process, everything is internal, once people realize that this world will be very different place. You see the world the way your brain wants you to see the world, like a computer, it processes information, use it like artificial intelligence, machine learning, the more information you feed it the smarter and more accurate it becomes, we have unlimited cloud storage, you can upgrade your brain to have infinite speeds there are no limits, the fastest computer in a million years is a fraction of what every person carries with them all day every day. Like the EMS 0.0035%. People are programmed to believe the stupidest things, deprogram yourself, system reboot yourself, switch operating systems, change is great, life is great, everything is great, change thoughts, change beliefs, change occupation, change clothes, change your life, staying the same only gets you stuck in a rut, in your own prison, where everything is boring, life sucks, work sucks, everything fuckin sucks, free yourself ride on top of the waves of life, live in complete bliss 24/7, everything is automatic, relax and enjoy every moment of life, create massive happiness inside you instantly with the new drug your liver aka chemistry lab made for you, the only side effect complete bliss forever, forever on top of the world being the godhead forever, Life is whatever you want it to be, everything is free, your super computer, the mass amounts of entities you create to do your bidding, bliss is free, people think that something external will cause bliss, sorry to say you create it internally, you can travel to other worlds or explore this one free, they call that astro travel, whatever sounds challenging really it's as simple as tying your shoes, Here I'll explain how very simple; First get into the day dream state of mind, (don't worry closing your eyes is only for people that think you can't do this with your eyes open, Idiots!) Think of a place you want to visit Now go there in your daydream state The more you do this the more real it becomes sometime you'll wonder which one is real, or are they all real. I bet if you went back to the exact spot people will remember you! Sorry I said astro travel this is more like bi-location being in two places at once or multi-location being in more than one place at the same time You can practice this anywhere, at boring school, at boring job, at home being bored out of your mind, while your doing other things like typing how to do this! And to think only the elite people know this shit. Confidential US Military Secrets So simple yet stupid society makes everything look impossible, and we already have this talent, like can you remember the first time you ever daydreamed? Did you close your eyes first? 555 want to relax completely say"relax" and repeat it, pretend your entire body is totally relaxed, see everything in life relaxing with every step repeat the word "RELAX" (anchor word) believe that as soon as you say the word you will relax each time you say it the more relaxed you become, turn the knob/push the button to relax more or less, scale it 1 little relaxed 10 very relaxed think of the number and relax that much, practice acting like your the star of a movie and in the scene you are completely relaxed. The brain doesn't know the difference between acting and real life events, tell your brain something and that will become a belief if done in a daydream state of mind Instead of speaking act as if you are doing what ever you want, pretend you don't speak the language. Be Creative, people will like it and if they don't they can fuck off and die. People say I can't go into trance, daydream is trance, ever been hypnotized? Your always hypnotized. Every moment your mind is being programmed, mind control is always happening, by you or someone else or something else!
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All spiritual pursuits I’ve come across in the past seven years of really studying spirituality can be boiled down to humans developing methods to experience states of consciousness or experiences that are desired, if we are being honest with ourselves. To be short, people want everything other than suffering, and spirituality is potentially the most potent method we know of to escape suffering. It shows us the highest of highs possible, but it is ultimately manipulation of this reality to make it more palatable and pleasant. I use the word reality here to describe this thing we currently find ourselves in, so I will use the word reality to describe dreams as well as there is ultimately no fundamental difference between nighttime dreams and this reality on an existential level. It’s all just consciousness at play with itself generating appearances that feel most real when experienced in the home reality/dream. Why do I bring up dreams/the other realities you experience every night? I do so to present the possibility of viewing interacting with realities in a more purist way. If you were to take the spiritual person’s approach to the dream world, they would read some esoteric texts in the dream to teach themselves how to lucid dream, and then they would proceed to remove all things they didn’t like from the dream. The normal person’s approach would be to just go along with the dream/reality by its rules, enjoying simple pleasures whenever they can be found. Isn’t kind of the point of a nightmare to be scared? Sure, suffering in any reality isn’t pleasant, but isn’t it an integral part of the game? I think removing suffering only seems desirable from the limited perspective of one lifetime (at least that you have direct memory of) spent as a human or other living being on planet Earth. If you lived in a reality of constant parties, pleasure, and bliss and possessed the qualities of a full-fledged god, I think you would eventually want to add something else into the mix. Theoretically, in comes suffering and the idea to erase your memory when entering into a new life. Alan Watts actually has a good talk about this concept. I’ve embedded it. As another example, if you were to take a spiritual person’s approach to movies and literature (assuming the spiritual person were living in this movie or book), you would take away all conflict from the story as soon as possible. Where is the fun in that? How boring would that be? Now, of course, spiritual people aren’t the only people who to try to evade suffering, but it seems to be the highest order solution to the problem of suffering. The highest of spiritual masters have supposedly been able to transcend it altogether. In summary, spirituality is the biggest escapist mechanism humanity has ever found. Maybe we should just live with life as it is without trying to alter consciousness to present itself how we (our egos) want it. Ultimately, survival itself, in any reality, is the attempt to manipulate reality and bend it to your will. Maybe we should stop bending.
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BipolarGrowth replied to NorthNow's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This gave me a realization just now. If we are to take direct experience as a source of truth, wouldn’t the direct experience of suffering be just as true and valid as experiences of infinite bliss, love, etc? I think spirituality as a whole is the human mind glorifying what is most desired. Everyone talks about the Truth in bliss and love, but who is there preaching about the Truth in the suffering? Who is rejoicing in the suffering? Don’t mistake me. Being a Buddha who does not experience unpleasant events as sources of suffering is not the same as rejoicing in the suffering. Maybe I should work on a post about the spiritual value of suffering. -
Life is always conspiring to give you everything you want. Every time you stumble upon something undesirable, an unpleasant situation or event, you create a desire too. This desire life then conspires to bring to you. Everything you want is not something you have to do, it is already on its way to you. If you want something, you will get it, unavoidably so. Nothing too hard for life to give you. There is nothing that this physical reality could produce of desires in you, that life isn't able, or isn't going to, give you. All the manifestations of your desires are already going to manifest in the perfect order, the perfect timing. In this life or the next. There is nothing you have to do (that is efforting) to life a life of happiness, bliss, peace, wonder, or whatever you desire. Life is always supporting you 100%. You also always get your own vibrations, your own beliefs, reflected back at you. So life is always supporting you in what you hold as true and what you are being/doing vibrationally. So if you think you need to do effort, to struggle, to get what you want, you will attract circumstances and people that will support the vibrational reality underlining the idea you hold there. If you believe you're a classy guy, a poor woman or a big dick, you'll get that back too. Therefor, you only have to lower your resistance, to let go of the beliefs that aren't feeling good for you. Because your choosing of the thoughts that aren't feeling pleasant or natural to you are the things that create the unpleasant life. But you have an inner being, or a higher mind, who is with you, loves you and is all there for you. It knows all your beliefs that are blocking you from attracting all you would want, knows your circumstances, etc. Considering where you are at and your circumstances, it is guiding you by your inspirations, passions, attractions, curiosity, excitements, joys, etc. By acting on these inspirations, excitements, etc., it is guiding you through the path of least resistance to all your desires, to all that will fulfill you. If you act on its guidance it navigates you around all the obstacles. To you it might seem like this path is going in a roudabout way to what you want when you follow it, but it is the shortest (and perhaps sweetest) path. So the only thing to do is to let go and allow yourself to do the things that make you feel good, whetever that is reading a book in the moment, taking a walk, watching a movie, making a website, etc. and life shall become the stream of ease, wonder, peace, magic, joy, love and excitement you so desire.
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NorthNow replied to NorthNow's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@BlackMaze I've never lost a child, but I lost my baby brother. This is bliss because it is essential in feeling pleasure and happiness, without suffering there would be no opposite. -
Everything is one massive firework of pleasure, enjoyment, thrill and fun. It's all a joke, a play, a fucking BALL! THRIVE!!! LIVE!!!! IT'S SO MUCH FUN!!! Literally everything is an extension of the one true self. If you use a camera to capture an image, that camera essentially becomes an extension of your eyes. The same way you are a biological extension of awareness, unraveling into infinity and feeling the endless flow of bliss
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In Spiritual community, Jesus Christ is seen as the enlightened Mystic who found the Truth or the Kingdom of God within. Much of his original teachings got distorted when they were put in writing. Some of the messages were intentionally modified or hidden in order to escape persecution. But one can still see the original Vedantic wisdom in many verses of the Bible. In this video, I have discussed the true message of Jesus and how the original Christian teachings guide people towards Spiritual Enlightenment or Self-realization. Bible Verses discussed in the video: Luke 17:21 The kingdom of God is within you John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Matthew 18:3 And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Matthew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. (A related verse, Bhagavad Gita 2:23 is also discussed). Matthew 6:26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, Mark 1:15 "The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!" John 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. Matthew 11:15 Whoever has ears, let them hear. ******************************************************** I have discussed the connections between Christianity and Vedanta more in my book 'Discovering God: Bridging Christianity, Hinduism': https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07XRJ3GWS If you want to support my work, you can donate. Visit this link for the details: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/donate/ Here is the poem discussed in the video titled "Good News": Your life is the most beautiful mystery And the screen which plays your private history; Your life is the truth, consciousness, and bliss That can’t be pointed out as that or this. The life screen is the only truth you know; All that are manifest move in its show; This essence of life is your true nature; Knowing this ends the distress and torture. The one truth that pervades the time and space Shines in the heart and showers love and grace; By the veil of darkness it is concealed; By nonstop inquiry, it is revealed. That one truth is called by various names; Deep inside you, it eternally flames; It is the immortal life and the way; Look inside, you can find its sparkling ray! From the dawn of life, seers have seen this And were reborn by its transforming kiss; Unless you’re reborn as a wide-eyed kid, It remains tucked away by a dark lid. Those who mourn will be appeased by its shade; Their craving thirst will be killed by its blade; Those who cleaned their heart are blessed by its touch; The mere words can convey only this much. Neither moth nor rust can impair this truth; None can steal it and none can cause your ruth; No spade can cut it and fire can’t burn it; Water can’t wet it and wind can’t dry it. The birds of the blue sky don’t sow or reap; About tomorrow, they don’t grieve or weep; Like those blissful birds, you can become free Then You’re not the wave, but the boundless sea! Listen to this good news and wipe your tears! Wake up from your dream and destroy your fears! The guiding good shepherd is inside you As a light that shines with a golden hue! Whoever has ears, let them hear this song; With their friends and foes, let them get along! The kingdom of heaven is filled with love where the peace descends on you like a dove! The poem is also published here: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/2018/08/07/the-good-news-a-poem-connecting-biblical-and-vedantic-thoughts/ I am looking for someone to volunteer to compose music, sing and create a professional music video for the above poem. If you want to help, please contact me here: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/contact/
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I’ve found family, having kids, to be the single most fulling aspect of experience possible. Much more so than enlightenment, which is who I am either way. An inexplicably mystical groundhogs day of love, joy, laughter, learning, self discovery and togetherness. Bliss. Nowhere I can turn, nowhere I can go, which is not radiant visceral love. Infinite L??P. “I mean what's the point of it all right?”. Nothing like a kid to make you realize how full of shit you are. ? Inspect those who avoid and can not tolerate such interaction. Contemplate this, child.
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Moksha replied to Hotaka's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Dodo @Hotaka I have read the bible many times, and my view of Jesus has evolved. I tend to prefer the direct quotes of Jesus to the writings of his disciples, and when I read what Jesus actually said, the meaning is more profound than I used to realize. For example, I used to think "heaven" is some physical plane of perpetual bliss, where I would live with Jesus, both of us as separate entities, forever. I now read Jesus saying the Kingdom of Heaven is within, and the realization of what he meant by that has made all the difference.