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Are you, are you Coming to the tree? Wear a necklace of hope Side by side with me Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree Are you, are you Coming to the tree? Where I told you to run So we'd both be free Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree Are you, are you Coming to the tree? They strung up a man They say who murdered three Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree Are you, are you Coming to the tree? Where dead man called out for his love to flee Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree "Red ball." I am now a representative for the human race to determine something cosmic, but I don't know much more beyond that. "Hunger games." "Harry Potter." "X-men school." mashup. I got my initiatory ticket. I had mentioned before, when posting in a thread about the Earth's representatives being butchered - the young autistic girl who's voice was drowned out - well, I was given a warning for being so forthcoming... and I ended up being correct - I am a representative of this planet. And my intent still stands that it does no one any good to damage those who are chosen for this task. If t doesn't go in the right direction - for all of humanity to wish for a greater outcome, at the end of the line - if you only wish for what is good for you - then those scales of judgement will not tip in our favour. It is imperative to have goodwill for all of mankind in your heart at all times. What is not delicious will be burned away until only love remains. If humanity goes past a certain point, nature has a mechanism in place to dissolve everything. You have that switch in you as an individual, and we have it collectively. As in: The dancing mania - a nam-shub - like as such: Flowbots - Handlebars "I put a spell on you. And now you're MINE." "Thank you Annie, for that marvelous introduction." "If you don't believe you better get superstitious." The anti-hero's journey is the journey of the ego, to try to fulfill itself on an ego level, and if we understand the journey - the anti-hero breaks the dharma to find a egoic love, a human love - that ultimately proves itself illusory and was willing to suffer death and eternal damnation all for the sake of love. A sattvic beauty to the determination to give up God for a phenomenal plain connection that one felt more of an emotional fulfillment from because one could no longer connect to God. That connection and the possibility of the real hero's journey had already been lost to the human consciousness. The sattvic version of it came down into a version of different kinds of quests that was on an ethical plane that often required a tragic sacrifice of one's life for a community - a giving of one's self for the sake of others. But then you get into the tomasic versions and it is all about the ego proving that might makes right and that it can overcome the system or it can overcome a counter-system - but it is part of an egoic collective system that it never separates from. So the postmodern ideological frame of reference in which people are born is that the ego is made into an artificial hero - a pseudo-hero - it's given it's golden spoon - it's grades - this allows the ego to go through a candy version of attaining some kind of status and prestige - but never goes through the rite of passage of ego death and tries to maintain a life as an ego, never separating from the biological family system or its role in that system and perpetrates it into adulthood that never reaches psychological adulthood. The ego, in its artistry of self-deception, splits and is able to fool itself until it gets into such deep water that it can no longer manage its fragmentation. And then the turning point is a karmic event in which its pseudo-heroism blows up and it collapses. And its that collapse that actually begins the journey. You have to hit rock bottom - a failure to use the "props to keep one's self up" - the addictions and so forth. Many people can ride high for a long time before that karmic event hits. Due to the pandemic, our entire society is going through a karmic event. (This is due to how we treat animals.) We are reaching the end of the era of ego itself. It is now the journey of a fragmented, scared, under developed ego that no longer has the support of all its previous illusions - an ego that never learned how to manage adversity - imperialism - always the Other who has to face the Nothing - and now it is Here. During these times, the ego sees the Nothing - nature in all of its wrathfulness, it is only when you have nothing that you have to rely on your own internal compass. Nature is warning mankind. Blue fires burning again, In my head, All the things we left unsaid, In my head And now a real hero's journey has begun - it is, you go on that journey or you die. If you don't, the lower death drive will take you. And you can't avoid it because each day the ego weakens, it gets more self hating, sociopathic - and so the ego today has to go through a real initiation that is motivated by fear. And in this context, the anti-hero has to go through a real initiation. Not of some heroic facade or pursuit that brings about achievement. When there is nothing left, when everything has broken you - you find that core within you or you die. This does not come from bliss, but through the dregs of the ego's subconscious horror and fight the real demons that have never been encountered fully before because you could pacify them with various addictive processes of shock absorbers that could keep you going. As it drops away and one fnds themselves having to face the horror of not having grown - we now return to the ancient levels of the hero's journey. The ancient future is forcing us to call up reserves of spiritual virtue.that we had not ha to call on that has atrophied and we have to call on powers within us that we always thought were Hollywood movie fake version that were just for play. And now we have to go all the way into ego death because nothing short of it will give us the strength we need. It's not in the ego.

Because there is still a subtle form of ego. Ego goes extremely deep. As long as you are physically alive there will be some ego. So yeah, utlimate heaven is only possible with mahasamadhi. But it gets already very heaven-like before that! Given that your awakening is balanced. I conceptualize the facets of awakening into these two categories: - Category A: no self Nothingness Imagination life is a dream ... - Category B: God Love Consciousness Infinity Bliss Peace ... If you have too much awakenings into category A without balancing it with category B you likely get depressed. But if you have a balanced awakening, a full complete awakenig, then that's no issue (once integrated).

Would constant awareness on the breathing work? I've tried a lot of times. And sometimes I get to that place of bliss. In that place, when thoughts arise, they can't touch me. Like...I see that they are just a thought. Not me. But then , maybe after an hour, I just give up: it comes a strong thought of identification ( they can be about whatever but they usually have a sort of an implicit negative aurea of "if you identify with this thought you will come back to the ego, don't do it". So fear arise in that fear I lose myself in the thought and I start to lose the bliss and awareness on the breath and so on. Do you think is there a point in doing this or I should just let it go and accept life it's not permanent. The ego state sucks so much compared to that present moment bliss ?. It's difficult to accept I have to live that state too. And most of the time btw.

%80 is the moment %20 is the thought process. Overthinking or repetitive thoughts doesn’t take place. Just decide and do it. Sometimes moment is too deep (if no thought process happens for long time) “you” disappear as sleep. And just “be”. Identification ends. Play the so called human character as in the game. Bliss, freedom and effortlessness which is the moment, which is you.

Have you developed your emotional mastery? If not, and you live in a first world country, I guarantee you that you have an emotional need for lack of ressources. And your subconsciousness does it's job to accomplish what you desire. Release on that need. If you are deep into the spiritual path your Emotional State might be centered around Acceptance and Peace. Now, if you really don't do anything you are living in the lower stages like Apathy, Fear, Grief. These stage are real action killers and will tie you down. Coming back to Acceptance and Peace, while you can accomplish many great things in these states, for some work it is better to actually drop down a level into Courage. Because when you are in Acceptance you might not be motivated to do anything and in Peace you can basically just bliss out the whole day accomplishing nothing and being okay with it. So to get into Courage rememeber times in your life where you really felt courageous, adventurous, certain or alive. And sit with it and meditate on them. Release on all the resentment you have on Courage.

Jhanas arise when the mind is very still, opposing intentions in the mind harmonize, and the result is out-of-this-world-intense bliss. It happens via both insight and concentration meditation, but mainly concentration -- not concentration as in sticking to the object, but through intentionally cultivating a sense of satisfaction every time you realize your attention is not as still on the object as you would like. No need to focus on the object to the exclusion of anything else, just allow your attention to rest on the object and your only intention at first should be to be on your toes to intentionally cultivate a sense of satisfaction every time you realize your attention is not as still on the object as you would like. Eventually mind will still itself and rest on the object -- because eventually from doing this, the awareness of the quality of your attention never goes away, and becomes monitored in real time and under conscious control. And then those competing intentions in the back of your mind (imperceptible) will calm down and you'll see what they were inadvertently covering up -- intense overwhelming satisfaction. It is unlikely to reach jhana without at least 45 minute sits every day -- preferably 1-2 hours. If you begin to feel a very intense pleasant body buzz, often (but not always) beginning in the hands or sometimes the face/smile or chest, ignore it and continue the breath/etc meditation until the buzz is impossible to ignore, then shift your attention in one motion to the buzz itself... it will dissipate or get stronger. If it gets stronger, you will soon be in the 1st jhana, at which point it's all over -- you're officially addicted to meditation, lol. The 2nd jhana (doing the same thing except switching your awareness from the buzz to the happiness it brings) is even better, and so on up to the 8th jhana. The first time you enter jhana it may scare you. That's normal. It won't hurt you. The pleasure is so intense you might feel like you can't breathe. Just be aware that's normal. Rather useless info, until later: Entering 3rd jhana: happiness -> peace (the rapturous buzz that is central to the 1st jhana and peripheral to the 2nd jhana disappears entirely -- happiness without the buzz that it seemed to arise from = peace) 4th: peace -> beautiful stillness (abandoning pleasure for something more exalted) 5th: stillness -> boundless space 6th: boundless space -> boundless consciousness (this is an incredibly intense mystical experience) 7th: boundless consciousness -> perception of nothingness 8th: perception of nothingness -> mind not landing on anything, not even nothingness Nirvana: lights out; perceived after the fact as a gap, like jumping forward in time with no space in between.

I suppose i am somewhat spiritually talented as i am not super disciplined and consistent with my sadhana but i feel i managed to raise my consciousness a lot since i discovered the spiritual path (5 years ago). Had i few sober mystical experiences and a few fuelled by psychedelics. I rank myself at stage Yellow/turquoise on the Spiral Dynamics and Construct-Aware on the 9-stages of Ego Development. Yes, i know i could be overestimating my development but bear with me. I feel a huge "pull to God", constantly contemplating, being drawn to spiritual teachings, meditation, and all those things we love to blow our minds around here. As this development happened rather quickly, having a well-ordered mind, solid goals and routines seem almost impossible. Reality feels more and more fluid every-day. For instance, i can spend months away from family and this does not bother me a bit. This can seem cold-hearted to most people. I feel like i am on the "edge" of a huge breakthrough but i am also slowing down things in order to build a solid material foundation (solid business, financial independence) but this seems like a herculean task to accomplish. The fear is to be too detached from worldly matters like family, career, money, etc to deal effectively with it. Yeah, yeah, i know: "who is the one who fears", but still. There are those who the spiritual transformations made them don't give much of a fuck to survival of the body, which is against my life purpose. I do not want to go into some cave and bliss out of my mind until my body drops dead, but i do feel a pull toward this path. Even the gurus i most admire are Ramana Maharshi and Neem Karoli Baba, both were deeply detached from physical matters to the point of risking the survival of the body at any point if the disciples were not too careful about their "vessels". I just want to be financially independent enough to "let go" but this seems harder and harder each day.

A good rule of thumb for where to start is always: wherever you feel most passionate and inspired. For example, if you feel inspired to start going to the gym, then start there. Don't let good passion go to waste. In other words, follow your bliss. Passion, acted up, builds on itself.

It sounds like you're on the way there? I'd say enlightenment is half ability to go into observer mode at will, and half realizing the Truth which is that everything is infinite consciousness. Not logically, but feeling it on visceral level. I actually had a cool experience this past weekend, did shrooms for the first time in a while and while I was definitely tripping, it wasn't that much different from how my life feels now. Like my whole life is a trip nowdays. Yes. I had a convo with a friend about this and wrote a few additional benefits: 1) Ability to let go almost immediately of any bad feeling / situation. 2) Ability to chameleon with people. Since you’re detached from ego, you can make it any way you want for other people. Shapeshifter without losing your deep identity. 3) Ability to think&act strategically. This is a huge one. Literally not caring about what anyone says or thinks, just following your path. Making moves you need to make. This is one successful people do anyway, but I feel like I can reach almost sociopathic levels of being strategic now. 4) Feeling of bliss to use for rest. This one is hard to explain, but I feel absolutely bulletproof, death doesn’t scare me, nothing anyone can do scares me, I see life as a game. I fully feel/embody knowing that this whole thing is a dreamstate and a game, absolutely nothing matters in the grand scheme of things, so you can do anything you want to do, strategically.

@kag101All I can say is that I have expirienced states of bliss during meditation, but that was temporary. Usually for a few seconds and then general calm after or abruptively gets out of it and then I get resentful for "fucking it up" whcih makes going back to being mindful very frustrating. But I might try it out if what you are saying is true. Every psychologist I have talked to recommended that I dont take meds though. That makes it very discouraging. Feels like no matter what I do I always fall bakc to the same baseline.

But bliss is still you.

Bliss is just a feeling. A fantastic example of impermanence. Truth doesn’t care about your feelings.

Well, you need to open your mind to the possibility of accessing raw, absolute truth unmediated by any interprations or perceptions or science or anything. Pure TRUTH exists. You can access it. But you cannot access it while believing in science, brains, perception, and other such nonsense. Love and Truth is everything that every could be experienced. But bliss is like a feeling. It comes and goes. Most of your life will not be spent in feelings of bliss. Even if you are being tortured it is Truth/Love, but not bliss. Yes, your true nature is peace because it is Nothing. Happiness is more of an emotion that comes and goes.

That pain is itself Love, because Love does not exclude any feeling. But it’s hard to call that pain bliss, wouldn’t you agree?

@How to be wise When you imagine yourself to be a body and a character you're also free to imagine all kinds of horrible things happening to them, or to imagine them doing horrible things. Realizing the very Source of this freedom is bliss. This freedom never forces itself on you though, you have to go to it willingly. And being away from it, imagining yourself as nothing but a vulnerable or bad or in whatever way lacking character, that hurts like hell. Cause that's not what you really are.

Getting raped is Love. But is it bliss?

What??!! This made me confused. I have always sought the Truth because it feels good, If God doesn't equal Bliss then How does it even be? If the Truth doesn't feel good, who will seek it?

@Leo Gura What's the difference between Love and Bliss? Not the thought of it, but the experience? Is Love not Consciousness Itself? Is Truth a thought?

Never What kind of fool do you take me for? The truth is rarely bliss. Like I said, that is merely a side-effect. Like smoke from a fire.

Don't you chase the truth because it feels Good? Isn't the Truth = Bliss? So you are actually chasing bliss?

False? Lol. That's nonsense. It's Absolute Truth. But you miss the point. It's not about the bliss. You're not chasing that bliss, you're simply becoming conscious of Absolute Truth and the bliss is just a side-effect of that. When you are infinitely conscious it's just natural that bliss occurs. I never do psychedelics for the purpose of pleasure. But if pleasure comes, I won't say no. Him is the construct. Infinite Consciousness/Love is the true "him". It's just that he needs to peddle human bullshit to his followers. Bentinho can't tell his followers that they will never reach Infinite Consciousness without DMT or they would leave him. You will NEVER reach DMT levels of consciousnesses through self-inquiry or meditation. That is the truth. What these self-inquiry people are teaching you is something far less than that because they don't know how to get you access to DMT levels of consciousness. Psychedelics are not about bliss, they are about increasing one's consciousness. That he doesn't get this is sad.

I have taken the life purpose course, and have a clearer idea of what my life purpose is. The first step to achieving this purpose is research and embody all of the topics covered in actualized.org plus some. As you probably know, THERE ARE A SHITTON OF TOPICS. I do not know where to start. I keep finding one topic to focus and study and work with then another one sparks "my bliss" or whatever and I keep jumping from topic to topic. How do you know where the best place to start is? Or is it just a leap of faith?

@AuthenticSelf Yes, not saying you don't, just the real You is not attached to it. Nothing is always here and now, infinite bliss is here and now, there is nothing to end. There is no where to go, there is not a difference between life & death. There isn't an after there is only Now. There is nothing outside Now.

I absolutely agree. I'm enlightened but I'm still working the same job as I was before - for now. No magic superpowers either . Hence why I created this thread to see how I can apply it to improve my egoic life. I can see how I kind of derailed my own thread by not making that more clear. It's simply like acquiring a new lens for your life. I was asking other users of said lens on how to tune it best to enjoy the view. Is it a better lens than the default that my life came with? No question. I didn't know it was possible to feel bliss all the time, or on queue when you want it. I wasn't even looking for enlightenment. I don't mean to sound like I'm unappreciative of it, while others are still trying to achieve it. It's definitely possible for everyone seeking, and not even that hard in retrospect. It's one of those simple but not easy things.

Hello! I am new here and am grateful to be a part of this community. I started meditating couple of years ago to ease my rumination. In the beginning I used to forcibly push away my thoughts because my view on meditation was that of being in a state of bliss. As time went on I came to the realization that by not accepting my thoughts I only make it worse. My mind is in a better place now. In a way I am new to thoughts and would like to learn more about it. My question is: How do you use meditation for constructive and analytical thinking and how do you apply it in your relationships, work and life overall? Thank you!